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Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by hfeetham0(f): 10:06am On Jan 07
Has any Muslim had a journey from Islam to atheism and back to Islam and if so what are the reasons for such a narrative in their life?

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by lfleak: 10:07am On Jan 07
book space.. grin grin grin

EDIT:

Every Muslims has to go through this cycle. He has to become true Muslim by becoming atheist first.

Oh wait what is this guy is saying, ASTAGHFIRULLAH…

Let me explain.

If you are a muslim just because your parents are Muslim then you are no different than a hindu, who is a hindu just because his parents are hindu. You are no different to a Christian , who is Christian just because his/her parents are Christians.

So we need to come to Islam not because we are born in a muslim family, but we need to come to Islam because it is the true religion.

Look at the Kalma Tayyiba.

There is no God except ALLAH, and Prophet Muhammad PBUH is messenger of ALLAH.

it starts with “ there is no God”, this is what atheist says. They have done step 1, now they must search and reach step 2, “but ALLAH”.

What do atheist says “We are logical people , we reason on everything , we are rational and these religious people are stupid ”

What does ALLAH says “Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason.” Surah Al-Anfal [8:22]

So we muslims must be logical ,, and the more we have doubts the more we investigate and more we come close to Islam.

It also happened to me ,,, and i think its a blessing that you start thinking about it because of the doubts. When you will investigate then your doubts will be removed and you will be filled with IMAAN,,

Thats the journey probably every muslim takes somewhere in their lifetime.

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by lfleak: 10:07am On Jan 07
another land

MORE EDIT:

I have been questioning God’s existence, not really Islamic beliefs only.

I think, too much thinking about the truth of life and the reality or the purpose of existence, it all caused me to have mental and psychological disorders as: Bipolar and anxiety!

Yes, THE REASON IS SIMPLE. As an “atheist”, I felt empty, aimless, undefined, unsupported, unbalanced, unassured, and very very VERY lost!

What’s the purpose of living just to die 70-ish years later??
Why can’t we just not exist to begin with?
I had lots of non-emotional reasons, actual scientific ones, like what?

I BELIEVE THAT A CREATOR CANNOT LOGICALLY NOT EXIST!!
I don’t know how this is not mainstream pure logic and science YET!

Scientists now KNOW the universe well, they now know its age. It had a beginning, and logically if the universe is limited to an age with time, existence HAS to be infinitely old; ie. it has always existed, before time was “created”…

It’s either God, or something God-like, the whole ‘The universe came all by chance’ is the bullshittest theory to ever be “narrated”.

I CAME TO LOVE THE GOD OF ISLAM, Allah’s really all what he claims, even if Allah is a non-existent made-up character… THAT GOD IS REALLY CONVINCING to me as a God, if I ever revert completely to theism, sorry no offence, I’ll never be a Christian and worship a God who got killed as a human, three gods, human gods or gods in human or animal forms, only ALL-MiGHTY unimaginable God is accepted, one who’s SO OVER US, he’s literally outside this entire known universe as in Islam….

SO, I’ll either stay atheist and suffer from emptiness, nothingness and aimlessness, or revert to Islam and have some minor problems, or, WAIT FOR IT!!, convert to>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JUDAISM, yup… Only Islam and Judaism make sense to me logically, any semi- or full polytheism = BULLSHIT to me cheesy

Judaism is equal to Islam to me, it’s just a former style of Islamic beliefs, some even dare to say Muhammad is a false prophet who just stole the Torah and mixed it with some of the New Testament :/ HOW?

1- I researched, I’m 100% sure the Qur’an isn’t fake (was NOT changed for 1400 years, I checked myself) The oldest artifact of the Qur’an is +1400 Hijri years old, 100% not fake, and 100% same words as in TODAY’S Qur’an!!!

2- IT IS TRUE, as said in the Qur’an that God DID say Muhammad is coming to guide humanity, he IS mentioned by name in the original Hebrew Torah [mahamad] I think it’s just slightly accented… It got translated, but it IS A NAME!

3- IT IS TRUE, as said in the Qur’an that God DID say Muhammad is coming to guide humanity, he IS mentioned by name in the original Syriac Bible [muhammad] I think it’s super obvious, and undeniable… Again, same ways of misleading… It got translated, but it IS A NAME!

HAVE A LOOK ONLINE!

IF I MAKE SURE THAT GOD WILL BE FAIR TO ME AND PEOPLE AROUND ME, AND FATE DOESN’T PLAY WITH ME LIKE A PUPPET BEING TORTURED WITH FIRE, I’LL 100% SUBMIT TO ISLAM AND BE 100% MUSLIM (A person who submits his life to God, asking for peace in return, that’s they exact meaning of Islam and Muslim btw, not submission as in slavery, nor just peace, it’s the act of asking for peace through obedience)

I threw A LOT about my personal beliefs, feel free to discuss and debate anything!
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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by lfleak: 10:07am On Jan 07
this should be enough

EDIT;

unused space cheesy

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by smathelon1: 10:39am On Jan 07
hfeetham0:
Has any Muslim had a journey from Islam to atheism and back to Islam and if so what are the reasons for such a narrative in their life?

Islam is the most perfect religion and anyone considering this will never leave Islam.

If we imagine a scenario it can be like’’16 Old thinking and then deciding there is no God then years later Do some researches and decides that he was wrong and gets back to islam’’

1-God:What is God…As Quran says ‘’Nothing is like him’’ but when an Atheist think of God he thinks that he is a Giant man holding a *Giant Fork* and does everything so absolutely he rejects the idea a more deep thinker would think God is something like Enormous peace of energy or something BUT what we all need to know that nothing is like GOD nothing we know is like GOD nothing ever is like GOD ‘NOTHING IS LIKE HIM’ he creates ‘something’ from nothing no one can do this he knows everything he created everything .

note:{we use the word him just because no replacement in our limited language he is not a male not a female we only know about him 1-he creates something from nothing 2-he is ONE}

Religion:after God brought Adam and eve into earth to test them and their Successors (Us) so good will live after life in heaven(immortally) and bad will be punished to ‘Jahanam’(Fire which is much stronger than earth’s) but we needed rules because we did not know what’s good and what’s wrong

now think with me if someone has just invented a machine you don’t know who would be the best to give you its guide —->its the creator/inventor of it ✔

so since we don’t know what’s wrong or right we got ‘Religion

God sent us religion so we know what’s wrong and what’s right so we can figure out what to do ….it started with a simple religion God sent Ibrahim(Abraham) with a very simple religion that people can adapt to at that time then it was Dawood(David) bit complex one since people got adapted to ‘religion’ then Mosa(Mosis) then Aeisa(Jesus) then at the time that we were able to understand the FULL Message he sent Muhammad with the final testament which is the Quran it contains all what the other books had (without being faked) and more …so Religion is just the Guide of life to heaven .

Proofing the Quran: Quran has so much scientific information that we have just discovered lately and it was in the Quran since 1400 years (Ex. the earth is circular/sun is a star/moon doesn’t emit light) and MUCH more so much more and all is proven to be right so Quran 80% of its information is 100% Scientifically right the other 20% ex.(there is an after life or science we haven’t discovered) is neither right nor wrong (we still didn’t prove it) so in my logic when all this information presented from 1400 years is proven to be right then the OTHER 20% MUST BE ALSO RIGHT!!

and Believe me the information in Quran proves so much thing we did not know (ex.how really the pyramids were build by the Egyptians and MUCH more i can not remember.)

Proving that islam is the right Guide for us:-

islam terms are 1-believing in ONE god and that islam is the last religion which God sent with Muhammad .

2– Five Prayers a day :not only the islamic prayer is considered an exercise for your body main parts keeping you much healthier but the main purpose can be observed:-Human has made with so much instincts ex(trying always to be better and considering him self the best and FORGETTING) our brain forgets and when we forget we do wrong so basically when you pray you say words which were presented in the Life’s guide (Quran) so you keep constantly remembering not to do wrong with out prayer we would sometimes forget the ex. is wrong so we would do it but praying 5 times a day will keep you always remembering what’s wrong and what’s right so you live without doing mistakes for a real life example:any muslim REALLY PRAYING will never do a mistake after a prayer ex.he won’t lie do bad even for me praying makes me much better i won’t lie/talk about others when they are not around/curse as i always remember because of praying and most importanly always knowing God is watching me

Other purpose :before you pray you have to clean your whole body which makes you constantly clean LEADING TO you never being affected by DISEASES thats why we pray for God its FOR US NOT FOR HIM subhanah Allah praying makes you :behave much better in life/always clean and fit+Healthy

3-Zakat: Zakat is to give a percentage of your earning to a ‘say a bank’ which gives this money to Poor its such best way to live and make others do so if you are mediocre earner you give 10% chance which is not much for you but much for the poor if you are so rich you give 10% which is not much for you but SO MUCH FOR THE POOR if this was really set for every country you would n’t see ONE DYING OUT OF STARVING and ofcourse praying would remind you to always pay it and make world live so Peacefully and equally would be right their because everyone is able to EAT have a shelter due to money from Zakat

also zakat prevents stealing as all would have money.

4-Fasting:Fasting is not to eat or drink or do mistakes all day long (day time like only when sun is present) you have to do it one month a year and it has incredible amount of advantages not only it reminds you how starving people live …it makes you so fit and behaving much better and MUCH healthier.

5-Hijab: Hijab is meant for women and it is to cover her hair and put clothes that doesn’t shape anyhing of whats on your body (just like a rope something that is not tight it can be any clothes that are not tight) why? because it is scientifically proven when men look at them with out hijab the first thing activates in mind is your sex drive leading to adultery and transmitting sex diseases by kissing etc failed unnecessary relationships with bad endings and PORN …with hijab all this wouldn’t have existed a woman can only reveal her self to her husband which makes the wold much better .

6-YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED :as the quran Says you have been asked if you want to be a human and take the life test or not but you do not remember it so remember you AGREED to take the test and live a better immortal life after then if succeeded

WHY should i believe in islam as the way of living the right life when most other religions say the same?? all the books before islam has said that islam is going to come and i can get verses if you want to also they got corrupted (i can get you so much false information from them proving its not the word of GOD but i dare you to get one mistake out of Quran)

look at isis they are muslims what are they doing ? in islam its 100% forbidden to kill a living so they are by the name muslims but not following islam and hence then considred non muslims

proving more about God/islam :this can go easy if you believe that we are in a fair world now lets take this chat if i am a non believer but a so logically person:

1-prove me stealing is wrong?

its bad you take stuff from others its hurting and bad

1-i care for my self only when i steal i become better and i can eat the turkey i love

yes but if you steal/kill/rape police will punish you

1-dude the Police is in my pocket i give them 20% of what i steal i cannot be killed i have 77 Guard men (this actually happens in Nigeria btw) annnd where were the police in before 1200 years who would punish at that time

man karma will punish you and people will steal from you

1-mate you forgot about the 77 THUGHSi can kill rape and live the best life..

so as you can see this would be able to happen without religion living a total clownfiesta would be like animals living ..

so the answer of this is solved that THERE IS AN AFTERLIFE AND YOU WILL BE BURNT IMMORALLY

real life example:Hitler burned 6 million jews alive what can we do about it ??punish him till death ?electric chair?good that solve one what about the 5.9 99999 innocent humans ?and thats the purpose of jahanam and as god tells us in the quran in jahanam(Hell) bad would be burnt till death then we would give him refreshed body so he feels pain again forever if god wanted so for example if god wants to burn hitler 6 million times as for what he did it can BE.

where is God located?are we only in this universe?

As i said nothing is like God being located is a property of a ‘creature’ while God creates so nothing in our characteristics is like god. he doesn’t have to be located or more clearly i should say thinking of this puts us on endless loops which means its the limits of our thinking.

In Quran as i remember it is said that we are not the only creatures in the universe while their can be different creatures with different properties of which why we can not discover them .

for example human need to see and communicate (speaking) maybe another creatures don’t need to talk or communicate as they get nothing from it may be they have different properties .

for example imagine imagine that we did not speak we communicated by eyes and sending thoughts we would know nothing about speaking/hearing and how it looked like aliens might be the same thing the might have totally different properties from humans maybe they don’t need to see maybe they dont need to move they ‘’insert something we don’t know here’’ maybe they don’t need to live they are’’jhjvkhcvkjhfgi’’ oops loops starting here thats our brain limit ..

everything in islam has a scientific logical reason which makes it the best way for living right!!

and remember you will feel life was one second when you die and you will regret all bad things you did so START FROM NOW I HAVE TOLD YOU ISLAM IS RIGHT.

hope this answers the question and caps doesn’t mean i am yelling, although I snore..

have a bright day

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by jerflakes(m): 12:32pm On Jan 09
Yeah but the person will not be alive to tell the story

Islam... Religion of urine

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by tintingz(m): 2:22pm On Jan 09
lfleak:
another land

MORE EDIT:

I have been questioning God’s existence, not really Islamic beliefs only.

I think, too much thinking about the truth of life and the reality or the purpose of existence, it all caused me to have mental and psychological disorders as: Bipolar and anxiety!

Yes, THE REASON IS SIMPLE. As an “atheist”, I felt empty, aimless, undefined, unsupported, unbalanced, unassured, and very very VERY lost!

What’s the purpose of living just to die 70-ish years later??
Why can’t we just not exist to begin with?
I had lots of non-emotional reasons, actual scientific ones, like what?

I BELIEVE THAT A CREATOR CANNOT LOGICALLY NOT EXIST!!
I don’t know how this is not mainstream pure logic and science YET!

Scientists now KNOW the universe well, they now know its age. It had a beginning, and logically if the universe is limited to an age with time, existence HAS to be infinitely old; ie. it has always existed, before time was “created”…

It’s either God, or something God-like, the whole ‘The universe came all by chance’ is the bullshittest theory to ever be “narrated”.

I CAME TO LOVE THE GOD OF ISLAM, Allah’s really all what he claims, even if Allah is a non-existent made-up character… THAT GOD IS REALLY CONVINCING to me as a God, if I ever revert completely to theism, sorry no offence, I’ll never be a Christian and worship a God who got killed as a human, three gods, human gods or gods in human or animal forms, only ALL-MiGHTY unimaginable God is accepted, one who’s SO OVER US, he’s literally outside this entire known universe as in Islam….

SO, I’ll either stay atheist and suffer from emptiness, nothingness and aimlessness, or revert to Islam and have some minor problems, or, WAIT FOR IT!!, convert to>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JUDAISM, yup… Only Islam and Judaism make sense to me logically, any semi- or full polytheism = BULLSHIT to me cheesy

Judaism is equal to Islam to me, it’s just a former style of Islamic beliefs, some even dare to say Muhammad is a false prophet who just stole the Torah and mixed it with some of the New Testament :/ HOW?

1- I researched, I’m 100% sure the Qur’an isn’t fake (was NOT changed for 1400 years, I checked myself) The oldest artifact of the Qur’an is +1400 Hijri years old, 100% not fake, and 100% same words as in TODAY’S Qur’an!!!

2- IT IS TRUE, as said in the Qur’an that God DID say Muhammad is coming to guide humanity, he IS mentioned by name in the original Hebrew Torah [mahamad] I think it’s just slightly accented… It got translated, but it IS A NAME!

3- IT IS TRUE, as said in the Qur’an that God DID say Muhammad is coming to guide humanity, he IS mentioned by name in the original Syriac Bible [muhammad] I think it’s super obvious, and undeniable… Again, same ways of misleading… It got translated, but it IS A NAME!

HAVE A LOOK ONLINE!

IF I MAKE SURE THAT GOD WILL BE FAIR TO ME AND PEOPLE AROUND ME, AND FATE DOESN’T PLAY WITH ME LIKE A PUPPET BEING TORTURED WITH FIRE, I’LL 100% SUBMIT TO ISLAM AND BE 100% MUSLIM (A person who submits his life to God, asking for peace in return, that’s they exact meaning of Islam and Muslim btw, not submission as in slavery, nor just peace, it’s the act of asking for peace through obedience)

I threw A LOT about my personal beliefs, feel free to discuss and debate anything!
I talk too much on sundays.. lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
This person here didnt give good reason with evidence he/she thinks Allah and Islam are far authentic than every other Gods and religion.

What is the different between a God that limit himself to a human and die for his sins he created and a God that plan to throw people to hell for the sins he created? Why must he/she face the east to worship a black box?

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by Demmzy15(m): 3:02pm On Jan 09
tintingz:
This person here didnt give good reason with evidence he/she thinks Allah and Islam are far authentic than every other Gods and religion.

What is the different between a God that limit himself to a human and die for his sins he created and a God that plan to throw people to hell for the sins he created? Why must he/she face the east to worship a black box?
Boda Taiwo, olodo ni yin sha... Chaiiiii! I really smh for you!
Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by tintingz(m): 3:51pm On Jan 09
smathelon1:


Islam is the most perfect religion and anyone considering this will never leave Islam.
I thought it was perfect and i left. cheesy

If we imagine a scenario it can be like’’16 Old thinking and then deciding there is no God then years later Do some researches and decides that he was wrong and gets back to islam’’
Why Islam, why not Jainism?

1-God:What is God…As Quran says ‘’Nothing is like him’’ but when an Atheist think of God he thinks that he is a Giant man holding a *Giant Fork* and does everything so absolutely he rejects the idea a more deep thinker would think God is something like Enormous peace of energy or something BUT what we all need to know that nothing is like GOD nothing we know is like GOD nothing ever is like GOD ‘NOTHING IS LIKE HIM’ he creates ‘something’ from nothing no one can do this he knows everything he created everything .
Unfortunately, Allah is said to be sitting on a throne somewhere above the sky, how does a God sit?

note:{we use the word him just because no replacement in our limited language he is not a male not a female we only know about him 1-he creates something from nothing 2-he is ONE}
But using 'her' is problematic to you?

Religion:after God brought Adam and eve into earth to test them and their Successors (Us) so good will live after life in heaven(immortally) and bad will be punished to ‘Jahanam’(Fire which is much stronger than earth’s) but we needed rules because we did not know what’s good and what’s wrong
Why does a God want this?

now think with me if someone has just invented a machine you don’t know who would be the best to give you its guide —->its the creator/inventor of it ✔
Who invented the inventor?

so since we don’t know what’s wrong or right we got ‘Religion
Actually we can know what is right and wrong without religion, your empathy can do that.

God sent us religion so we know what’s wrong and what’s right so we can figure out what to do ….it started with a simple religion God sent Ibrahim(Abraham) with a very simple religion that people can adapt to at that time then it was Dawood(David) bit complex one since people got adapted to ‘religion’ then Mosa(Mosis) then Aeisa(Jesus) then at the time that we were able to understand the FULL Message he sent Muhammad with the final testament which is the Quran it contains all what the other books had (without being faked) and more …so Religion is just the Guide of life to heaven .
So a perfect God created Humans just to establish a religion, interesting, what about animals?

Proofing the Quran: Quran has so much scientific information that we have just discovered lately and it was in the Quran since 1400 years (Ex. the earth is circular/sun is a star/moon doesn’t emit light) and MUCH more so much more and all is proven to be right so Quran 80% of its information is 100% Scientifically right the other 20% ex.(there is an after life or science we haven’t discovered) is neither right nor wrong (we still didn’t prove it) so in my logic when all this information presented from 1400 years is proven to be right then the OTHER 20% MUST BE ALSO RIGHT!!
Evidence the Quran is 100% scientifically right?

And besides there were lots of scientific research, discoveries before Muhammad was even born!

and Believe me the information in Quran proves so much thing we did not know (ex.how really the pyramids were build by the Egyptians and MUCH more i can not remember.)
Why not start by telling me how Adam and Eve offspring populated the world?

Proving that islam is the right Guide for us:-

islam terms are 1-believing in ONE god and that islam is the last religion which God sent with Muhammad .
So, how this one follow?

2– Five Prayers a day :not only the islamic prayer is considered an exercise for your body main parts keeping you much healthier but the main purpose can be observed:-Human has made with so much instincts ex(trying always to be better and considering him self the best and FORGETTING) our brain forgets and when we forget we do wrong so basically when you pray you say words which were presented in the Life’s guide (Quran) so you keep constantly remembering not to do wrong with out prayer we would sometimes forget the ex. is wrong so we would do it but praying 5 times a day will keep you always remembering what’s wrong and what’s right so you live without doing mistakes for a real life example:any muslim REALLY PRAYING will never do a mistake after a prayer ex.he won’t lie do bad even for me praying makes me much better i won’t lie/talk about others when they are not around/curse as i always remember because of praying and most importanly always knowing God is watching me
# How does praying as exercise become guidance?

# If praying 5 times daily make you remember whats wrong and right, then i dont think your morality is genuine.

Other purpose :before you pray you have to clean your whole body which makes you constantly clean LEADING TO you never being affected by DISEASES thats why we pray for God its FOR US NOT FOR HIM subhanah Allah praying makes you :behave much better in life/always clean and fit+Healthy
How does this prevent the high rate of unhealthy living in the northern Nigeria?

3-Zakat: Zakat is to give a percentage of your earning to a ‘say a bank’ which gives this money to Poor its such best way to live and make others do so if you are mediocre earner you give 10% chance which is not much for you but much for the poor if you are so rich you give 10% which is not much for you but SO MUCH FOR THE POOR if this was really set for every country you would n’t see ONE DYING OUT OF STARVING and ofcourse praying would remind you to always pay it and make world live so Peacefully and equally would be right their because everyone is able to EAT have a shelter due to money from Zakat

also zakat prevents stealing as all would have money.
This a very good thing, to give to the needy, but i dont need a book to tell me how and when to give charity.

4-Fasting:Fasting is not to eat or drink or do mistakes all day long (day time like only when sun is present) you have to do it one month a year and it has incredible amount of advantages not only it reminds you how starving people live …it makes you so fit and behaving much better and MUCH healthier.
I dont think so.

5-Hijab: Hijab is meant for women and it is to cover her hair and put clothes that doesn’t shape anyhing of whats on your body (just like a rope something that is not tight it can be any clothes that are not tight) why? because it is scientifically proven when men look at them with out hijab the first thing activates in mind is your sex drive leading to adultery and transmitting sex diseases by kissing etc failed unnecessary relationships with bad endings and PORN …with hijab all this wouldn’t have existed a woman can only reveal her self to her husband which makes the wold much better .
Despite the high rate of strict hijab wearing in saudi arabia there are still reports of women being harassed, molested.

The question i haven't gotten answers to is why did a God create the women in feminine figure and again want them to apologize for being feminine?

6-YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED :as the quran Says you have been asked if you want to be a human and take the life test or not but you do not remember it so remember you AGREED to take the test and live a better immortal life after then if succeeded
Sorry, No one asked me if i want to be a human or a bird or get tested because if i was opportune to ask a question, i have over 100 questions for God. cheesy

WHY should i believe in islam as the way of living the right life when most other religions say the same?? all the books before islam has said that islam is going to come and i can get verses if you want to also they got corrupted (i can get you so much false information from them proving its not the word of GOD but i dare you to get one mistake out of Quran)
Why not start quoting where ancient greek literature said Islam will surface?

look at isis they are muslims what are they doing ? in islam its 100% forbidden to kill a living so they are by the name muslims but not following islam and hence then considred non muslims
They are still muslims just bad eggs.

proving more about God/islam :this can go easy if you believe that we are in a fair world now lets take this chat if i am a non believer but a so logically person:

1-prove me stealing is wrong?

its bad you take stuff from others its hurting and bad

1-i care for my self only when i steal i become better and i can eat the turkey i love

yes but if you steal/kill/rape police will punish you

1-dude the Police is in my pocket i give them 20% of what i steal i cannot be killed i have 77 Guard men (this actually happens in Nigeria btw) annnd where were the police in before 1200 years who would punish at that time
Your empathy should tell you stealing is wrong because you're doing other people harm, put yourself in that state.

man karma will punish you and people will steal from you
Has karma punish many of our so-called corrupt politicians?

This life is unfair to us already.

1-mate you forgot about the 77 THUGHSi can kill rape and live the best life..

so as you can see this would be able to happen without religion living a total clownfiesta would be like animals living ..
Before religion came humans are already setting moral codes, even secular countries dont base their moral codes on religion.

When some religion came, killing, raping, keeping slaves is what they do.

so the answer of this is solved that THERE IS AN AFTERLIFE AND YOU WILL BE BURNT IMMORALLY
First, you have to provide evidence for afterlife.

Secondly, Did your God know those that will burn in hell?

real life example:Hitler burned 6 million jews alive what can we do about it ??punish him till death ?electric chair?good that solve one what about the 5.9 99999 innocent humans ?and thats the purpose of jahanam and as god tells us in the quran in jahanam(Hell) bad would be burnt till death then we would give him refreshed body so he feels pain again forever if god wanted so for example if god wants to burn hitler 6 million times as for what he did it can BE.
This is why karma is flawed, well having that believe that Hitler will burn in hell is a good comfort for those that want Justice, but the question is what was God doing when Hitler was killing people?

where is God located?are we only in this universe?
No, Santa Claus is in the north pole.

As i said nothing is like God being located is a property of a ‘creature’ while God creates so nothing in our characteristics is like god. he doesn’t have to be located or more clearly i should say thinking of this puts us on endless loops which means its the limits of our thinking.

In Quran as i remember it is said that we are not the only creatures in the universe while their can be different creatures with different properties of which why we can not discover them .

for example human need to see and communicate (speaking) maybe another creatures don’t need to talk or communicate as they get nothing from it may be they have different properties .
Ofcos we cannot discover Unicorn, fairies, Santa.

for example imagine imagine that we did not speak we communicated by eyes and sending thoughts we would know nothing about speaking/hearing and how it looked like aliens might be the same thing the might have totally different properties from humans maybe they don’t need to see maybe they dont need to move they ‘’insert something we don’t know here’’ maybe they don’t need to live they are’’jhjvkhcvkjhfgi’’ oops loops starting here thats our brain limit ..
I heard some people communicate with Jinns and fairies.

everything in islam has a scientific logical reason which makes it the best way for living right!!
Over 1 billion of people in the world still dont find Islam as best way of living.

and remember you will feel life was one second when you die and you will regret all bad things you did so START FROM NOW I HAVE TOLD YOU ISLAM IS RIGHT.
Not when you meet yourself in Christian hell.

How will your God judge an atheist who is good, kind person but reject him?

hope this answers the question and caps doesn’t mean i am yelling, although I snore..
No, i dont think you have answered anything, keep snoring.

have a bright day
And you too. smiley

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by tintingz(m): 3:54pm On Jan 09
Demmzy15:
Boda Taiwo, olodo ni yin sha... Chaiiiii! I really smh for you!
Since i am olodo and you are the intelligent person, kindly answer to the question?

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by smathelon1: 10:08am On Jan 10
tintingz:
I thought it was perfect and i left. cheesy

Why Islam, why not Jainism?

Unfortunately, Allah is said to be sitting on a throne somewhere above the sky, how does a God sit?

But using 'her' is problematic to you?

Why does a God want this?

Who invented the inventor?

Actually we can know what is right and wrong without religion, your empathy can do that.

So a perfect God created Humans just to establish a religion, interesting, what about animals?

Evidence the Quran is 100% scientifically right?

And besides there were lots of scientific research, discoveries before Muhammad was even born!

Why not start by telling me how Adam and Eve offspring populated the world?

He probably thinks I engage in online arguments, grin grin grin he doesn't know he is still in his cycle... I wish you success..

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by tintingz(m): 10:19am On Jan 10
smathelon1:

He probably thinks I engage in online arguments, grin grin grin he doesn't know he is still in his cycle... I wish you success..
Is this for me?

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by tintingz(m): 10:25am On Jan 10
lfleak:
if zeus is what make sense to you, goodluck, if krishna does, goodluck, even if its your pet goodluck.
Thank goodness you admit your religion doesn't make sense to everyone. grin


the difference is ...



ur brain
Just to type "your brain" you had to give alot of space to do that, now I know the level of your reasoning.

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by lfleak: 11:45am On Jan 10
tintingz:
Thank goodness you admit your religion doesn't make sense to everyone. grin
thank God.
Just to type "your brain" you had to give alot space to do that, now I know the level of your reasoning.
you know the level of my reasoning from an anonymous online acct? the world is watching, don't embarrass yaself... grin

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by tintingz(m): 1:25pm On Jan 10
lfleak:
thank God.
you know the level of my reasoning from an anonymous online acct? the world is watching, don't embarrass yaself... grin
I don't need to see you to determine the level of your reasoning how you type can determine that or do you type without reasoning?

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by BetaThings: 6:48pm On Jan 10
Demmzy15:
Boda Taiwo, olodo ni yin sha... Chaiiiii! I really smh for you!

Salaam brother
I saw two of your posts on other threads but decided not to make this comment over there
I just want to remind that we are not allowed to do assabiya
Let us try and restrain ourselves no matter the provocation
Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by urworstnytemare: 9:38am On Jan 12
Let's see
Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by urworstnytemare: 9:38am On Jan 12
Interesting
Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by MrImole(m): 9:39am On Jan 12
That's serious
Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by Jamiubond009(m): 9:40am On Jan 12
Who cook food this morning *yawns. Who religion epp?

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by Sterope(f): 9:48am On Jan 12
I know I will find you here. Obsessed much? You can't have a life without Islam, can you? tongue



tintingz:
This person here didnt give good reason with evidence he/she thinks Allah and Islam are far authentic than every other Gods and religion.

What is the different between a God that limit himself to a human and die for his sins he created and a God that plan to throw people to hell for the sins he created? Why must he/she face the east to worship a black box?
Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by tintingz(m): 9:53am On Jan 12
Sterope:
I know I will find you here. Obsessed much? You can't have a life without Islam, can you? tongue



Is there any where that said I can't question your faith?

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by lfleak: 10:09am On Jan 12
tintingz:
Is there any where that said I can't question your faith?
"Does your mother have HIV?"
"Does your mother have HIV from sleeping with various men in every hood like a Dog?"

Both are questions right? go figure...

edit: lots of olodos couldnt comprehend what i meant here... our education sector = failed!
Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by Coitus(f): 10:12am On Jan 12
Is atheism not better than Islam

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by forfucksakes: 10:13am On Jan 12
tintingz:
I thought it was perfect and i left. cheesy

Why Islam, why not Jainism?

Unfortunately, Allah is said to be sitting on a throne somewhere above the sky, how does a God sit?

But using 'her' is problematic to you?

Why does a God want this?

Who invented the inventor?

Actually we can know what is right and wrong without religion, your empathy can do that.

So a perfect God created Humans just to establish a religion, interesting, what about animals?

Evidence the Quran is 100% scientifically right?

And besides there were lots of scientific research, discoveries before Muhammad was even born!

Why not start by telling me how Adam and Eve offspring populated the world?

So, how this one follow?

# How does praying as exercise become guidance?

# If praying 5 times daily make you remember whats wrong and right, then i dont think your morality is genuine.

How does this prevent the high rate of unhealthy living in the northern Nigeria?

This a very good thing, to give to the needy, but i dont need a book to tell me how and when to give charity.

I dont think so.

Despite the high rate of strict hijab wearing in saudi arabia there are still reports of women being harassed, molested.

The question i haven't gotten answers to is why did a God create the women in feminine figure and again want them to apologize for being feminine?

Sorry, No one asked me if i want to be a human or a bird or get tested because if i was opportune to ask a question, i have over 100 questions for God. cheesy

Why not start quoting where ancient greek literature said Islam will surface?

They are still muslims just bad eggs.

Your empathy should tell you stealing is wrong because you're doing other people harm, put yourself in that state.

Has karma punish many of our so-called corrupt politicians?

This life is unfair to us already.

Before religion came humans are already setting moral codes, even secular countries dont base their moral codes on religion.

When some religion came, killing, raping, keeping slaves is what they do.

First, you have to provide evidence for afterlife.

Secondly, Did your God know those that will burn in hell?

This is why karma is flawed, well having that believe that Hitler will burn in hell is a good comfort for those that want Justice, but the question is what was God doing when Hitler was killing people?

No, Santa Claus is in the north pole.

Ofcos we cannot discover Unicorn, fairies, Santa.

I heard some people communicate with Jinns and fairies.

Over 1 billion of people in the world still dont find Islam as best way of living.

Not when you meet yourself in Christian hell.

How will your God judge an atheist who is good, kind person but reject him?

No, i dont think you have answered anything, keep snoring.

And you too. smiley

I'm not a Muslim...I could not comment except I agreed I was one... RELIGION, no freedom of speech I guess.

Anyways...Mr Tintingz God bless you mehn.

Because of enlightenedfellows like you, I do not mind being called an atheist.

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by Sterope(f): 10:21am On Jan 12
Is there any where that forbids you not to mind your business?

Why don't you seek your dad, if you are really sincere. Hypocrite!



tintingz:
Is there any where that said I can't question your faith?

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by Nihilist: 10:21am On Jan 12
lfleak:

"Does your mother have HIV?"
"Does your mother have HIV from sleeping with various men in every hood like a Dog?"

Both are questions right? go figure...


Some people are just completely without a sense of irony.

lfleak:

I have been questioning God’s existence, not really Islamic beliefs only.

I hope you also questioned your mother's HIV status and sexual preferences whilst you were questioning your religion...
Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by lfleak: 10:27am On Jan 12
Nihilist:


Some people are just completely without a sense of irony.

I hope you also questioned your mother's HIV status and sexual preferences whilst you were questioning your religion...
comprehension is a difficult aspect of english, so true...
Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by Nihilist: 10:30am On Jan 12
lfleak:
comprehension is a difficult aspect of english, so true...

And a lack of shame or self awareness is a severe character flaw...

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Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by lfleak: 10:31am On Jan 12
Nihilist:


And a lack of shame or self awareness is a severe character flaw...
say that again, but this time face a mirror. grin
Re: Has Any Muslim Had A Journey From Islam To Atheism And Back To Islam? by Mememan: 10:35am On Jan 12
Hmnn

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