sarrki:
Akanbi olodo ide

The greatest politician of our time

Long live asiwaju

GoroTango:
This is very good news. If government money can be allocated to the building of markets and shopping malls for traders, then it is perfectly in order for money to be appropriated for cattle colonies. Afterall, they're all infrastructures for business

Obi1kenobi:


Stop talking nonsense. [b]People pay rent for shops. Cattle rearers expect handouts while giving nothing. [/b]The only reason I support this initiative is if it could keep the blood-thirsty mass murderers in their Northern enclaves instead of ravaging communities across the Middle Belt and South, then we might have some peace. The shame is that their barbarism is rewarded with appeasement, but considering states have no police and all Federal security agencies are utterly useless and usually headed by Northerners doing the bidding of the herdsmens' grand patron in Aso Rock, there is no choice other than appeasement.

Alejoas:
Cattle grazing is a private business.... How much do they vote for poultry production that can save us the stress of overdependence on beef? This govt sef.... na something else they be

GoroTango:
And who told you the cattle rearers wouldn't be made to pay for the ranch? Do you think the place is to be run with government momey? Go back and read what the minister said before coming to display your ignorance here

Obi1kenobi:


Past precedent tells me so. Comparing ranchers and store owners/renters is pretty silly. Herdsmen who can't graze their cattle in the bushes without feeling the need to graze on people's farms are unlikely to take kindly to being asked to pay for use of a ranch. It's not ignorance. It's a factual observation of the pathologies than Fulani bororo culture espouses.

GoroTango:
It is not silly to compare traders and herdsmen from the point of view of government intervention to provide infrastructure for business to thrive. In fact the cattle herders need government intervention more than ever because they poise a very serious threat to our national security. We cant allow them roam about killing people and causing mayhem everywhere. Oya Mr smart guy proffer your own solution to the problem let us hear

Alejoas:
Cattle grazing is a private business.... How much do they vote for poultry production that can save us the stress of overdependence on beef? This govt sef....

GoroTango:
It is not silly to compare traders and herdsmen from the point of view of government intervention to provide infrastructure for business to thrive. In fact the cattle herders need government intervention more than ever because they poise a very serious threat to our national security. We cant allow them roam about killing people and causing mayhem everywhere. Oya Mr smart guy proffer your own solution to the problem let us hear

nduchucks:


While cattle rearing crould be deemed to be private business, it is the business of a responsible government to find creative solutions for conflicts which cause deaths to Nigerians - farmers and herdsmen inclusive.

Obi1kenobi:


You must have missed the part where I said I'm in support of the funding of their ranches. Their barbarism and blood-lust has to be appeased, so the rest of us folk can have peace. That doesn't mean they deserve government support any more than people involved in other trades who get no government support.

GoroTango:
This is where I will have to disagree with you. You have to appreciate the peculiar nature of the herdsman's trade. They move around the country with their cattle and engage farmers in bloody clashes, clashes which have serious national security implications. This is not the case with traders and other businessmen. On the pecking order of priorities, national security sits high above any other consideration. That's why when the Niger delta militants were blowing up the oil pipelines instead of prosecuting them (as the law demands), instead they were even paid money and the problem more or less went away. You get my point now?

Obi1kenobi:


You're saying the same thing I'm saying with different words. For the security of life and property of other Nigerians, this is the best thing to do. That doesn't mean the herdsmen [b]merit such considerations on their own merits.[/b] Their murderous activities is what has compelled the appeasement: not the rightness of their cause. It's like my being waylaid by an armed robber who demands my money and valuables. I give them to him to save myself from harm or death, not because any natural law accords him the right to my property.

Niger Delta militants had legitimate grievances about a government who seized their common patrimony with no compensation for their communities they destroyed. [s]Their actions were morally justifiable [/s](and they rarely killed anyone - they mostly sabotaged oil facilities). Fulani herdsmen militants are a mindless death cult looking to seize what doesn't belong to them with the complicity of a useless national security apparatus with zero will to tackle them.

GoroTango:
Firstly I know in your mind ALL Fulani herdsmen are marauding terrorists. This doesn't come as a surprise because the influence of print and social media is what informs your opinion. This is false as you dont know the first thing about herdsmen and their way of life. Fulani herdsmen are in their hundreds of thousands and it is only a small minority among them that are carrying out these killings. Therefore using your logic I might as well say all Igbo men who travel abroad are drug smugglers. But we all know that is not the case. The herdsmen are honest, legitimate business owners just like any other who's peculiar trade and implications thereof, deserve some special kind of government intervention in the interests of the wider society. Also don't tell me that militants have a moral right to carry out bombings, killing of police and soldiers in addition to kidnappings of oil workers cos no sane person can even begin to argue with you on that point

GoroTango:
This is where I will have to disagree with you. You have to appreciate the peculiar nature of the herdsman's trade. They move around the country with their cattle and engage farmers in bloody clashes, clashes which have serious national security implications. This is not the case with traders and other businessmen. On the pecking order of priorities, national security sits high above any other consideration. That's why when the Niger delta militants were blowing up the oil pipelines instead of prosecuting them (as the law demands), instead they were even paid money and the problem more or less went away. You get my point now?

Obi1kenobi:


Strawman argument. I haven't said all herdsmen are marauding terrorists. A significant minority of them are though and they represent an unacceptable security threat. There is a reason they were ranked the 3rd deadliest terrorist group in the world. The activities of this deadly minority is more than enough to put herdsmen as a group under serious scrutiny. But in Nigeria where no one blinks at the loss of life, I can understand why that doesn't qualify as an outrage to you. Say the damn truth and stop hiding behind inane strawman arguments.

Again, they do not deserve anything. That is where you and I will never agree here, so it's pointless labouring the point. Appeasing their savage blood-lust doesn't mean they "deserve" anything.

Niger Delta militants had the moral right to sabotage the activities of the government. A few killings they carried out and their kidnappings were crimes against individuals, but their sabotaging of government revenue was absolutely right. They tolerate what no other group in this country could tolerate. If the oil in this country was in the North and the South depended on Northern resources, there wouldn't even be a country called Nigeria. The North would have gone their own way a looooong time ago.

BeeBeeOoh:
•Northern CAN kicks against cattle colonies

Noah Ebije, Kaduna, Okwe Obi, Abuja



http://sunnewsonline.com/2018-budget-fg-votes-n5-30bn-for-grazing-reserve-devt/

12submarine:

Is the money used for compensating Niger Deltans from cattle? Is it not part of their God given resources that was used for paying them? Why cant Buhari use part of the proceeds of the cattle to settle the problem they are causing?

GavelSlam:
It is incumbent on the ministry of agriculture, commerce and trade as well as the security apparatchik to provide a long lasting solution to the crises.

Without doubt, the issue of "Fulani Herdsmen" consists of inter-communal wars, over-grazing and encroachment, criminal acts of terrorism and cattle rustling, embedded foreign and criminal elements, religious and tribal sentiments and of course non-identification of individuals who go by the name.

It therefore is justifiable for government to provide policies and strategies to avoid spilling of blood.

With such colonies, it would make itinerant pastoral grazing unattractive and totally unacceptable.

This would make identification of such bovine herders easier, should engender peace and improve the policing and security aspects associated with cattle rearing as practised today.