smellingmenses:


another perspective. Ibadan was ended in the kiriji war... ask seunmsg

Y0ruba:



Ibadan was close to routing Fabunmi & Ogedengbe’s forces until, apart from the rocky terrain providing cover, returnee Ijesa slaves began supplying them with automatic rifles and these same returnee slaves enlisted as snipers.

They were firing bullets that went through more than one person’s body. One shot, multiple kills.

The battle ended at a stalemate, Ibadan could not advance & Ekiti could not dislodge Ibadan.

smellingmenses:

the ekiti parapo war was one defeat the ibadan never recovered from

Y0ruba:


Indeed it asking Afonja to attack Ife was extremely sacrilegious. These kings go to Ife to receive concecrated Oranmiyan’s sword with which they swear never to attack Ife & upon doing so, disaster should befall them. Yet, Mr. Aola wanted Afonja to sack Apomu an Ife town/market which Afonja knew was a taboo & refused. This same attitude is what Adeyemi III was and is still holding towards Ife but he knew better by not coming to personally do the ritual of the sword during his coronation decades ago.

Maybe the writers were telling their story through Oyo’s lenses, it was very dishonest to have tucked Ibadan under Oyo and appropriated Ibadan’s mighty achievements for the Alaafin when in actual fact, the Alaafin was Olubadan’s colleague and plotted with Ibadan’s enemies - Ilorin and Ekiti at that time to crush Ibadan.

Oyo & Alaafin were spectators, a very passive one who played backyard intrigues against Ibadan. There’s nothing more from Oyo’s lenses no matter what sources they try to employ.

Kokolet11:
yea you,yroouba men and women are slowpoke.

seunmsg:


You mean Ibadan's military dominance over majority of Yorubaland was ended at kiriji war? Very true though. The people of Ekiti ensured that.

@Y0ruba, you also accord Ibadan too much weight than rightly deserved. Other towns contributed to the osogbo victory with Ibadan as the leading force. Again, most major Yoruba towns allowed Ibadan Ajeles on the agreement that Ibadan will protect them from the marauding Fulani's who are hellbent on pushing their jihad to the hinterland of the Yoruba nation. That was why Ibadan was able to meddle in the choice of Ooni or Owa Ijesha. Ibadans influence was as a result of the need to forge a common front against the Fulani's and not as a result of ibadans military conquest of major Yoruba towns.

Ekiti for example was never conquered by Ibadan in any war. Our people voluntarily invited Ibadan for protection purpose. However, when the Ibadan Ajeles started passing their boundaries, Fabunmi immediately put them in their place.


Your effort to also draw a line between Oyo and Ibadan is just an ego thing. Without the old Oyo empire, there won't be Ibadan. The Ijaye war actually showed the deep relationship between Ibadan and Oyo. Ibadan fought that war against kurunmi on behalf of Oyo.

Finally, Alafin never plotted with Ekiti people to bring down Ibadan. Fabunmi started the war basically to free Ekiti from the excesses of the Ajeles and nothing else. Alliances were formed as the war intensified but we never had any alliance with Alaafin. Oyo had no reason to support Ekiti so it played a neutral role. That was why Alaafin was able to convince the British governor in Lagos to intervene. An Oyo man Samuel Johnson led the peace effort by the British. If Alaafin had truly plotted with the Ekitis as you alleged, the peace effort wouldn't have been successful.

juddy4life:
Na lie. This is a distorted history. Why didn't the ibadan forces push back the Fulanis and reclaim all parts of Ilorin back?

seunmsg:


You mean Ibadan's military dominance over majority of Yorubaland was ended at kiriji war? Very true though. The people of Ekiti ensured that.

@Y0ruba, you also accord Ibadan too much weight than rightly deserved. Other towns contributed to the osogbo victory with Ibadan as the leading force. Again, most major Yoruba towns allowed Ibadan Ajeles on the agreement that Ibadan will protect them from the marauding Fulani's who are hellbent on pushing their jihad to the hinterland of the Yoruba nation. That was why Ibadan was able to meddle in the choice of Ooni or Owa Ijesha. Ibadans influence was as a result of the need to forge a common front against the Fulani's and not as a result of ibadans military conquest of major Yoruba towns.

Ekiti for example was never conquered by Ibadan in any war. Our people voluntarily invited Ibadan for protection purpose. However, when the Ibadan Ajeles started passing their boundaries, Fabunmi immediately put them in their place.


Your effort to also draw a line between Oyo and Ibadan is just an ego thing. Without the old Oyo empire, there won't be Ibadan. The Ijaye war actually showed the deep relationship between Ibadan and Oyo. Ibadan fought that war against kurunmi on behalf of Oyo.

Finally, Alafin never plotted with Ekiti people to bring down Ibadan. Fabunmi started the war basically to free Ekiti from the excesses of the Ajeles and nothing else. Alliances were formed as the war intensified but we never had any alliance with Alaafin. Oyo had no reason to support Ekiti so it played a neutral role. That was why Alaafin was able to convince the British governor in Lagos to intervene. An Oyo man Samuel Johnson led the peace effort by the British. If Alaafin had truly plotted with the Ekitis as you alleged, the peace effort wouldn't have been successful.

seunmsg:


Ibadan was never close to routing the Ekitiparapo army at any point. In fact, Ibadan were quick to accept peace since defeat was imminent. Ekiti fought that war for freedom and that freedom was achieved. Ibadan fought the war to maintain their influence on Ekiti and Ijesha and they couldn't achieve their aim. So, the outcome should tell you who actually won and who lost.

Shuku0kukobambi:


Those rivalries in yoruba land while the British were coming from the south and the fulani from the north really did no favours to Ile Oodua. It's a surprise that we remained as we did.

Y0ruba:


LOL

Bros, pick up Johnson’s paper again, you’ll see Ibadan was really doing Ekiti even when both armies ran out of ammunitions.

You must have missed the part where Ogedengbe was captured during the war and killing him must have ended the war in one fell swoop but he was let go because 1. Those who captured him during battle were his comrades. 2. He was an Ogboni like others in Ibadan camp. 3. There was a conspiracy amongst Ibadan chiefs to teach Aare Latoosa a lesson which made them stall and refused to win the war quickly; a mistake they would later regret.

It was Ijesa returnee educated slaves who lived in Lagos who sent Ekitiparapo automated riles that disoriented Ibadan and stopped their advance. There were Yoruba African-American snipers in Ekitiparapo camp who were taking people out from a distance.

Ekiti/Ijesa got new deadly weapons and played politics to have Ibadan blockaded on all sides - Egba, Ijebu & then Ife with Derin Ologbenla (present Ooni’s great uncle) being the Ooni who doubled as Bale Oke Igbo that controlled trade route to Benin; of course Ekiti had Ife’s support againt Modakeke, thus, that toute was blocked too and Ibadan could not get weapons.

Ekiti was firing automated rifles, Ibadan had muskets with no gun powder.

Ibadan was close to getting truckloads of these snipers, most of the chiefs sold their household to slavers but could not get massive quantity needed. The few of these snipers Ibadan could gather did Ekiti so much damage that they could not come out in the open to shoot like they used to. They both began hiding.

Militarily, Ibadan has fought more wars and had more experience. Ekiti was new to the business and this is reflected in Ogedengbe their leader getting captured. Also, Ibadan was fighting Ekiti on Ekiti’s home ground. Ibadan was on the offensive while Ekiti was playing defense. With acquisition of modern guns, Ekiti could not dislodge Ibadan from their (Ekiti’s) own lands. Ibadan acquired only few of the guns Ekiti had in excess and was able to helm Ekiti in. Hence, it was a stalemate. If Ibadan was able to win Egba or Ijebu or Ife over to get more supplies of these gun, there would have been a total massacre of Ekiti country, be thankful this wasn’t the case.

Ekiti was so shaken by Ibadan that they entered alliance with Ilorin army; an army that held Ekiti army hostage afterwards

smellingmenses:
wrong version.. Ogedengbe was never the leader of Ekiti warriors but Fabunmi Okemesi,

Sharpsword:
I love this, it shows that most oduduwas know their origins.

Epositive:

Greeks should have written it right?

yemaldo:


warning:graphic content

EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows
down Amalek and his people.
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave
may be beaten to death with no punishment for
the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die
too quickly.
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side,
and go in and out from gate to gate throughout
the camp, and slay every man his brother, and
every man his companion, and every man his
neighbor.
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites slay 3000 men.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if
they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before
your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you,
which shall rob you of your children."
LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a
punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the
flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers
and friends.
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An
example is given in JG 11:30-39 )
NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great
plague.
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven
days because she and Aaron had spoken against
Moses.
NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had
gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at
the Lord's command.
NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open
and swallow up the men and their households
(including wives and children) because the men
had been rebellious.
NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250
men.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700
people.
NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the
Canaanites.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill
many Israelites.
NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites
slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until
there was not one survivor left ...."
NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses,
take all the heads of the people, and hang them
up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the
tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of
Israel, and the woman through her belly."
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the
Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women
and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's
command, orders the Israelites to kill all the
Midianite male children and "... every woman who
has known man ...." (Note: How would it be
determined which women had known men? One
can only speculate.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the
Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to
be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to
"utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those
whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your
hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for
the women, the children, the livestock and
everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is
giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive
anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women"
from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no
delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the
flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your
God has given you."
JS 1:1-9 , 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing
for all the bloody endeavors to follow.
JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and
children--with the edge of the sword.
JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are
stoned to death because Achan had taken a
taboo thing.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men
and women, so that there were none who
escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua
utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the people of Makkedah.
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Debirites.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua
defeated the whole land ...; he left none
remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the
Lord God of Israel commanded."
JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung.
(Exceedingly cruel.)
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand
of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was
none left that breathed ...."
JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden
their hearts that they should come against Israel
in battle, in order that they should be utterly
destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be
exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses."
JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.
JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats
10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.
JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues
Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his
thumbs and big toes.
JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites
Jerusalem.
JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and
Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who
inhabited Zephath.
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600
Philistines with an oxgoad.
JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it
through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the
ground.
JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites,
slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring
the heads back to Gideon.
JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of
Penuel.
JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.
JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people
in the city.
JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his
head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to
his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me,
so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his
servant ran him through, and he died."
JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved
daughter, his only child, according to a vow he
has made with the Lord.
JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a
man and causes him to slay thirty men.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's
eyes.
JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord,
pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and
causes his own death and that of 3000 other men
and women.
JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and
unsuspecting people of Laish.
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men
beat on the door of an old man's house
demanding that he turn over to them a male
house guest. Instead, the old man offers his
virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or
wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and
his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish
them and do with them what seems good to you;
but against this man do not do so vile a thing."
The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The
man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and
sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of
Israel.
JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of
valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and
beasts and all that they found," and set their
towns on fire.
JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of
Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and;
also the women and little ones.... every male and
every woman that has lain with a male you shall
utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred
young virgins whom they bring back for their own
use.
1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot
soldiers.
1SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with
tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for
having stolen the Ark.
1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for
looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early
Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's
abode.)
1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the
Philistines.
1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his
men cut down the Ammonites.
1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the
Philistines.
1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.
1SA 15:3 , 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now
go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that
they have; do not spare them, but kill both man
and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,
camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed
all the people with the edge of the sword."
1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before
the Lord ...."
1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry:
"Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten
thousands."
1SA 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman
alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and
infants were included in the slaughter.)
1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.
2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel.
2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner.
2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth,
behead him, and take his head to David.
2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed,
their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies
hanged by the pool at Hebron.
2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded
him, and smote the Philistines ...."
2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having
exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren
throughout her life.
2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's
murderous conquests.)
2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the
horses.
2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
2SA 8:6 , 14 "The Lord gave victory to David
wherever he went."
2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the
valley of salt and made the rest slaves.
2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he
can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
2SA 12:1 , 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead
for the sin that David has committed.
2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes
her, then hates her.
2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered.
2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the
battle in the forest of Ephraim.
2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom.
2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and
leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the
highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him,
stopped."
2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.
1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.
1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.
1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating
bread and drinking water in a place where the
Lord had previously told him not to. This is in
spite of the fact that the man had subsequently
been lied to by a prophet who told the man that
an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright
to eat and drink there.
1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian
soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000
remaining Syrians.
2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and
consumes fifty men.
2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and
killed, presumably according to the will of God,
for having jeered at a man of God.
2KI 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his
descendants forever with leprosy.
2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and
strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks
the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria.
2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The
next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we
may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram.
2KI 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed.
2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is
trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that
only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands
remain.
2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded,
then sends the heads to their father.
2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he
slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he
had wiped them out, according to the word of the
Lord ...."
2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the
Baal worshippers.
2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family.
2KI 14:5 , 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then
10,000 Edomites.
2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in
the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with
leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women
who were pregnant.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people
that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with
harrows of iron, and with axes."
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your
little ones against the stones.
PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains
hands for war and fingers for battle.
IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young
men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the
fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare
children."
IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for
the iniquity of their fathers."
IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of
the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to
become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they
shall not be lamented; neither shall they be
buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face
of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the
sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall
be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the
beasts of the earth."
LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off
than those who die of famine; racked with
hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ...
pitiful women have cooked their own children,
who became their food ..."
EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the
sword, famine and plague. He that is far away
will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall
by the sword, and he that survives and is spared
will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon
them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the
people lie slain among their idols around their
altars, on every high hill and on all the
mountaintops, under every spreading tree and
every leafy oak ...."
EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men
outright, young men and maidens, little children
and women ...."
EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the
Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves
through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of
their first-born children.
EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both
the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall
go against all flesh.
EZ 23:25 , 47 God is going to slay the sons and
daughters of those who were whores.
EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and
tear your breasts."
HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their
infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up."
MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their
flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh
of my people, and flay their skin from off them;
and they break their bones, and chop them in
pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the
caldron."
MT 3:12 , 8:12 , 10:21 , 13:30 , 42, 22:13 , 24:51 ,
25:30 , LK 13:28 , JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity
burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his
brother to death, and the father his child, ...
children shall rise up against their parents, and
cause them to be put to death."
MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man
against his father, a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a
man's enemies will be the members of his own
family."
MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of]
three cities who were not sufficiently impressed
with his great works.
AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man (though
not permanently).

delishpot:
But Islam is a religion of peace na and there is no compulsion in religion!

Shuku0kukobambi:


A self proclaimed biafran jew who doesn't know that only he can tell his own story. Indeed e dey pain me!!

Y0ruba:


True.

It was a mess, Oyo-Ile’s central role in sustain cohesion was lost and we were all grappling with balance of power. Interestingly, we fused back as one again like we used to be when we began our struggle against British, this continued till independence until Ladoke Akintola started another gbege with help from Hausa/Fulani again.

Sharpsword:
I love this, it shows that most oduduwas know their origins.

Shuku0kukobambi:


I agree with you.

The rise and decline of empires is the only constant in history and oyo empire like the Greek, Akkadian, Roman Songhai, Mali, Benin all experienced it. Oyo empire started her decline in the 18th century with the sacrilegious act by Alaafin Aole and Afonja seized the opportunity of the ensuing chaos, civil wars etc to assert his independence which resulted in the loss of Ilorin.

Ibadan rose up to the occasion when oyo was a shadow of its former self and pushed back the invading forces restricting them to Ilorin probably because the Afonja family were already estranged from mainstream yoruba. Also, by this time, European incursion into the western Sudan was in full swing and the feudal rulers they met have remained in place.

The writers are telling their own story through the lens of Oyo-Ile. It's interesting nonetheless

Y0ruba:


I don’t know how many sources you’ve read but if it is just Samuel Johnson’s work then you need to read several other works and especially, CMS reports and journals of European explorers who paricipated and witnessed the war.

I’ll take the emboldened one after the other.

1. Osogbo was damn near taken by Fulani until the Ataoja at that time pleaded for support from Ibadan. Ibadan arrived, encamped and attacked the Fulani. You may want to list what other Yoruba towns contributed to the force and provide sources as well.

2. Your interpretation is wrong. You obviously do not know how Ibadan operated. Ibadan has been planting Ajeles way before Fulani problems. Their need for planting Ajele stemmed from each of civil and and military chiefs from Baale or Balogun to the variations of Seriki and Sarumi needed wealth to fund their lifestyle and status, hence, each chief took up or sponsored expeditions to this effect. A successful expedition means the leading chief or sponsor plants his own slave there as Ajele for periodic tribute. It was purely economic and had nothing to do with Fulani.

3. Ibadan was able to meddle in Ilesa affairs not because of planted Ajele but because Ijesa army was conquered. There was an account of Ajayi Ogboriefon I think or Latoosa’s son making way through the forest and emerging at the back of Ilesa’s war camp, he killed all of their chiefs on the spot and numerous Ijesa soldiers. They fell under Ibadan’s thumb right there and then. As for Ife, they meddled because the present Ooni’s great grandfather fought on Latoosa’s side against the Egba/Egbado and requested to be compensated with the throne because his father, Degbin Kumbusu, who happened to be the immediate past king was a bad king and he did not want Ife to ban his line from ascending the throne. Ife protested at his enthronement but could not do much because Ibadan was powerful and Modakeke was in the backyard to do their bidding.

4. Wrong, Ibadan’s status was not because of a common front against Fulani. Ibadan’s rise to power was purely based on fashioning an empire way before the Fulani started their nonsense. Ibadan started this empire building by vanquishing Ijaye that would have checked them and took on Egba & Ijebu next, both were very powerful and rich states the Ibadan forces wanted and tried severally to get out of the way. Meanwhile, with the Fulani incursion, Yoruba towns like Ekiti were quick to take aides with Fulani army of Ilorin against Ibadan. In fact, Ekiti was held to ransom by Ilorin army which made Ibadan step in again. Ibadan’s influence stemmed from its military system of state and its conquest of other major Yoruba towns. There was no common front against Ilorin army as can be seen before Oyo Ile’s collapse and after, Ibadan only took it upon itself to get them off of Yoruba land entirely and underneath that, they didn’t want any rival power to check them and that contributed to why Ilorin was put in its place. After the Jalumi war, the Fulani army of Ilorin was badly shaken it never engaged in open confrontation with Ibadan again or ventured into Yoruba land ever again.

6. Ibadan was invited and indeed, not all of the numerous Ekiti towns were conquered but a good number of them were conquered by Ibadan. Ibadan was going as far as Ondo/Benin fringes. The fear of letting Ibadan overrun them and the benefit of unfavourable terrain to Ibadan made the Ekiti rise up.

7. There is no effort to draw any line. Ibadan fought against Kurunmi to ensure its expansion would be unchecked. Ibadan did not fight to protect Alaafin’s interest, Alaafin set both powers against each other to prevent being subsumed by both powerful sides. Ibadan only used the Alaafin’s disagreement with Kurunmi as a pretext.

8. Without Oyo empire, there was Ibadan. Post Egba Ibadan was founded by Ife, Ijebu, Egba and few Oyo. The system in operation till now was started by the elements from the 3 aforementioned groups. It had nothing to do with empire, Ibadan was its own empire.

9. Read Samuel Johnson’s work, specifically the part where the British mediated. The Ekitiparapo and Ijesa received new ammunitions that halted Ibadan’s progress and was shattering Ibadan’s force with dialy multiple deaths. A development to which Ibadan had no response and had to rely on hand combat and flying into gunfire armed with machetes because they had run out of ammunition because od Egba and Ijebu’s blockades. Ibadan wanted to sue for peace, British sent envoy to Alaafin, upon Alaafin seeing Ibadan was being decimated sent an Ilari called ‘Oba Kosetan’ meaning Oba was not ready while Ibadan was getting decimated day by day. The Alaafin at that time gave a tacit support to Ilorin to raid Ibadan farms and force their hand off Offa.

flamingREED:


Apart from the fact that you obviously twisted certain causes of the above injunctions,
Understand that capital punishment still remains a fundamental approach to curbing criminality.
Or don't your uniform men kill again?
Enemies of a state should be shown no mercy, internally or externally.
God was just. Israel had to be founded.
Remember the law of power that says "crush your enemies totally"?
God gave them those laws on the bases of justice, when it became necessary.
And why didn't you include the punishment he rained upon Israel severally?
He respects none; and every evil doer will face his wrath someday.
He remains the ruler of heaven and earth.

Ovamboland:


Hope you will show the same understanding when Allah is written to command his followers to embark on jihad, kill infidels who refuse to convert, take over their fields, enslave those who refuse to convert and establish caliphates on conquered lands to create new Muslim lands

Ibadan was close to routing Fabunmi & Ogedengbe’s forces until, apart from the rocky terrain providing cover, returnee Ijesa slaves began supplying them with automatic rifles and these same returnee slaves enlisted as snipers.

They were firing bullets that went through more than one person’s body. One shot, multiple kills.

The battle ended at a stalemate, Ibadan could not advance & Ekiti could not dislodge Ibadan.

Shuku0kukobambi:


I love the thread. Indeed a lot of young yoruba don't know what happened in the past. Threads like this open their minds and broadens their horizons. Kudos to seunmsg, Y0ruba and others for their rich input