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Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 2:46pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
baralatie:Did you not read all my post or you lack comprehension I never said there was no Ogiso Owodo, take that up with your lunatic brother historyworld031, who said Ogisos did not exist. What I am saying is simple - Ekaladerhan is not Oduduwa, there is no single evidence to your Ekaladerhan claim, because it is a recent fabrication that has no traditional source 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 3:21pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
macof:because Ekaladerhan on arrival in ife changed his name to Oduduwa to conceal his identity but found out by a search party from Benin led by Elders but by this time he is now the ooni of ife 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 3:36pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
baralatie:oh jeez! You bini youths appear to be a lost cause. I hope I'm wrong I'll try one more time 1. If Bini have no traditions of Ekaaderhan being Oduduwa then there is no way you can know that. 2. Any historical knowledge we have today is first based on a traditional source 3. what you have to do is to provide evidence that this story is traditional. You can point to any kingdom for reference, as I point to both Bini and Ife for reference Another reference I would like to draw your attention to is that the custodian of the Oba of bini ancestral shrine is chief Oloton who came with Oranmiyan from Ife, why have an Ife man as ancestral priest if the same bini was his origin? 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 3:51pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
macof:what we're you expecting before? Oduduwa is at a big risk if he leaves ife to return to Bini.The best option is to send Oranmiyan with a priest.it does not change the fact that Oranmiyan' is the heir to the throne and not ogiamen! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 3:56pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
baralatie:You are not addressing any of the points i have raised, you keep evading them and more or less going around circles Oga, Oranmiyan is not even Odudwa's first son.. heck! His paternity was/is contested between Oduduwa and Ogun(Oduduwa's first son)... So this Bini claim falls apart anyway you look at it I just want to encourage the youth to actually learn history and not just push ethnic agendas and bigoted sentiments 3 Likes |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 4:07pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
Gbaramatu
Rulers (title Pere )
1689 - 1711 Ugborugbo
1711 - 1728 Saisai
1728 - 1739 Tomitibe
1739 - 1760 Ogeyama
1760 - 1761 Usaku I
1761 - 1800 Usaku II
1800 - 1825 Fieowei
1825 - 1848 Etibo
1848 - 1861 Kenebra
1861 - 1872 Agbo
1872 - 1892 Gbazo
1892 - 1913 Ekpesin
1913 - 1924 Ukpolukpo
1924 - 1976 Interregnum
1976 - 2000 Gbaran II
(d. 2000)
2000 - 2009 Regency
2009 - Ogeh Gbaran III ijaw I dey una |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 4:09pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
macof:you have come o! Oranmiyan's is not oduduwa's son? please help me out here? I am not going out my statement!Oduduwa spiritual leader who displaced obatala who was his rival in ife is the son of ogiso Owodo. Have you ever wonder how easy it was for Oduduwa to push obatala to one corner and become the first oba and spiritual head 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 4:33pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
baralatie:you see, it is because you are not studying yoruba history that is why you are shocked to hear that Oduduwa "might" not be Oranmiyan's father Ogun, the first son of Oduduwa had a warring personality, he waged battles as far as Ekiti, on one such missions he captured a woman called Lakange and had an affair with her. Not much is known as to what exactly followed but Oduduwa married Lakange without Ogun's knowledge and later she was found to be pregnant - who has the child? well never was settled ( Ironically Oranmiyan means 'my Issue has been settled' ) TO make matters worse he was born with a pigmentation disorder reflecting the complexion of both Oduduwa and Ogun In Oyo, they put it simply that Oranmiyan is a grandson to Oduduwa 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 4:44pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
macof: Odùduwà is generally said to be of Easterly origins (some in Oyo say Mecca, but historians generally assume Ekiti-Okun region at the confluence of the great rivers and the general area where language shift occurred between the Yorubas and their neighbors). The Ife oral traditions, on the other hand, tell that Odùduwà was the son of the supreme God, and was sent by him from heaven to create the earth. It was established that when Odùduwà arrived ancient Ife, he and his group conquered the component communities and eventually evolved the palace structure with an effective centralized power and dynasty. Oral history tells us that Oduduwa had a son known as Okanbi. Okanbi had EIGHT children. SEVEN (Onipopo of Popo, Onisabe of Sabe, Alara of Ara, Ajero of Ijero, Orangun of Oke-Ila, Owa Obokun Ajibogun of Ijesaland and Oranmiyan) by his “legal” wife, and one (Ooni) by his slave turned wife, named ORUNTO. The first seven were sent out by their father to establish other kingdoms while Ooni stayed behind to take care of their father and he inherited the throne of his father after his demise. |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 5:07pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
baralatie:Now this is a whole load of misconceptions and misunderstanding Oduduwa is rightly said to have eastern origins... Ila oorun ni Oodua ti wa. this is another reference to Oke-ora, which is east of Ile-ife Oduduwa as son of Olodumare, well here refers to the Spirituality of Ifa, in Yoruba traditions names of great personalities are dualized, that means used for two purposes, 1. Historical and 2. Spiritual or Mythical Oduduwa in Yoruba creation myth is described as the one who formed earth, In Odu ifa Ogunda, he is called Olofin otete, oun lo gbe Igba iwa wa s'Aye. it is Olofin otete who brought the calabash of existence to earth, meaning he brought Earth into existence this is like a religion not history. Oduduwa here is not a human being, different things, just same name There is no evidence for Okanbi being the only son of Oduduwa, I have only read that in books, no traditional source. As far as Yoruba tradition, I mean real tradition associated with festivals and rites oduduwa had many children. Okanbi might be Ogun, I don't know but what i am certain is that Oduduwa had many sons Orunto was born of a slave yes, and was supported by some sections to be Ooni but he never became Ooni, Orunto is the ancestor of the Obalufe families in Ife today 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 5:58pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
macof: Historically, Obatala was a King in Ife city, who was deposed immediately by Oduduwa and his supporters, this is re-enacted every year in the Itapa festival in Ile Ife . Ultimately, Oduduwa and his sons were able to rule with Obatala's reluctant consent. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by AreaFada2: 7:05pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
macof: Hate? In APC era everything is hate speech. I do not spend my time hating anyone. I just wrote my observations and history. The fact is Benin gave Ife Oduduwa. I have consistently stated this for years here on NL. Of course people hail own tribe. Why should I expect anything else from you? What people are very bad at though is introspection. It take unique people to seek the truth. Lazy pedestrian people find tribalism and nationalism far easier. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 7:14pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
AreaFada2:Fact comes with evidence 3 Likes |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by Nobody: 10:17pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
Is there any topic that will not turn into a turkey fight? |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by AreaFada2: 11:38pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
macof: As soon as you show me evidence of the chain Oduduwa used to descend from wherever, ask for mine too. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by AreaFada2: 11:57pm On Feb 10, 2018 |
baralatie: Have you gone to Benin to look for it? Many of us saw remnants of the wall next to the moats growing up. Some still remain. If not that the moats were so deep, long and stubbornly resilient, there would be none left by now. Lot of it became refuse dump for the growing city post 1897. The walls were knocked over to partly fill the moat (more sand moved from elsewhere) and used as building plot. British colonial govt had no interest in preserving it, unlike what Obas/emperors of Benin did until 1897. These were walls built with largely red earth that had to be periodically repaired and maintained. But as it became redundant, remnants left by destruction in 1897 were not maintained. We are talking of a tropical place with very high rainfall. All in the middle of a city (as it grew way beyond the second/outer moat) as no trees to shelter from heavy rains Benin experiences. If you go to your village, how many earth walls of houses abandoned and exposed to rain for over 120 years will you find intact? I went to one village and some houses that were still strong and inhabited 25 years ago are now flat earth. Once the owner died, the daughters (one had no surviving son) got married and never saw the need to maintain the house. One had many sons but once the senior son who inherited the house died relatively young, the house collapsed as all now live in the city. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by jara: 12:29am On Feb 11, 2018 |
Macof, you tia no be small. For a long time these usurpers of their ancestors culture,.. still practiced until this very day in front of our eyes, have gotten away with self aggrandizement since newly written book by a Yoruba Oba in Benin looking for acceptance. No difference between him and Oba Eko that did not realize or forgot that his great father was Alagba from Ilesha. Ekhanlederan, the founder of Ughpton where he ran to and still celebrated there up to today has been replaced with Ife. What is the similarity between Ile-Ife and Ughoton that confused these fraudsters? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 1:59am On Feb 11, 2018 |
AreaFada2:oh you are also a raving lunatic like the other one What chain? 3 Likes |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by AreaFada2: 6:24am On Feb 11, 2018 |
macof:Lol. Oh he did not descend with chain again? Well the other fairy tales and lies are many: came from Sudan, came from Egypt, came from Israel. Which of the lies is yours? Unlike most people, I can actually help you with your mental issues, be it mania, psychosis or whatever. Or enlist the help of one of the best in the business that I know. An award winning mental health specialist. Feel free to get help. It appears those dump 9ja centres like Aro and Yaba Left have failed. On second thought, I doubt if the interior minister will let a raving lunatic into the country. Too bad. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 10:14am On Feb 11, 2018 |
AreaFada2: It is becoming obvious that Bini youths are senseless and lack any sort of intelligence...some are even mad. If not behaviour such as what is playing out in modern times especially on social media won't be the case.. Go and learn ...that is my advice to you 2 Likes |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by AreaFada2: 5:24pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
macof: Hehehe. Tell me the school you went to and the degrees you acquired or your level of exposure to the world. I did not attend any mushroom schools masquerading as university. I wonder how one gets to study in some of the world's best universities (all consistently in top 10, top 20 in World University League tables). You think all those universities you guys attend, create nothing, contribute nothing and blow outdated Victorian English as evidence of education is meaningful? Oh like some SW people once said about an Edo person to oyinbo people "he's only a minority, do not ask him about Nigerian history. He cannot know anything about Nigerian history". That was about a first class graduate Edo man. Jealousy of how oyinbo relied on his expertise prompted your SW people to behave that way. Of course oyinbo people easily saw how pathetic your people can be in that instance. Tell me your publications in renowned international Journals like Nature. Tell me your contribution to the body of knowledge in Western/advanced societies. Then we can compare. After that I will take you seriously. Tribal megalomania has blinded you lot. We're no more in the era of Western Region (which Midwest left anyway, thanks very much). Otherwise steer clear of comparing intelligence and stick to your agbero tactics in which you excel. Like I wrote in a post yesterday you lot resort to agbero tactics, swearing and insults when your pseudo-intellectualism fails and you get angry. That is why you first call someone you do not know "a raving lunatic". You lot claim to be educated but still lick the ass of the uneducated North. Pathetic. Like a typical coward swearing behind a faceless platform is very convenient. In Edo we do not brag. In real life I will not even threaten you saying "ah ah, emi ke, ah ma pa e o" before breaking your bones if it has to be. I do not even have to swear first. Just mess up and you get the result straight. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by SicilianMafia: 10:39pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
Is it that Yoruba's are caused with a moronic and jealous spirit or what? Such shameless people!! 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by peterphd(m): 2:17am On Feb 12, 2018 |
AreaFada2: You sir are a savage!! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 4:08pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
AreaFada2:So this is it? I knew you would reply with more evasion and no answers to my questions but i wasn't expecting this utter trash. typical slowpoke who would rather argue blinded by hate for a larger ethnicity than to engage in mindful, informative discussion. look all around this forum, no single bini with a good head, you lot disappoint me Third Bini boy to claim to study abroad. Why do you fools always play this school and exposure abroad card? You think everybody is a low life on this forum? this kind of mentality shows you are a nobody, I don't brag about my status, background and education on a faceless forum. btw is it france or italy? how was libya? Yeah yeah personal stories to bash do not count on a faceless forum. ode do tell, what knowledge of Nigerian history do you Binis on this forum appear to possess? ordinary provide evidence that Ekaledehan is oduduwa he blows a gasket Where is the evidence please? rants are unnecessary if you have evidence to support your claims...simple! breaking bones and street fights I thought i was the agbero 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by oyatz(m): 11:40pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
This is quite ridiculous. OBA is a general term for a king in Yorubaland but each town/kingdom can have a special/specific title for its king to differentiate it from other kings. 1) The holy Bible was translated into Yoruba language about 150 years ago and throughout the book, the word KING was translated as OBA,not Eleko, Alaafin, Olu or Owa-Obokun. 2) Before Oduduwa got to Ile-Ife, several kings reigned in Ile-Ife and many of them have the word 'OBA' as a prefix before their names e.g OBAtala, OBAlufon, OBAlufe etc. 3) Thousands of Yoruba people have the word 'OBA' as a prefixes to their names (including ancestral names) e.g OBAfemi Awolowo (1909-1987), OBAdare, OBAsanjo,OBAlolu or as suffixes e.g Tobil'OBA, AdeOBA etc. 4) Before Oranmiyan got to Benin (he actually named the town, Ile Ibinu which was corrupted to Bini and later to Benin by the Europeans), there was no body called OBA as the previous rulers were called Ogiso, not OBA. 5) Urhobo, Ishan and Afemai are off-shots of Benin empire with close cultural heritages, yet none of them use the word OBA for king. http://ipnnews.info/oba-of-benin-greater-than-any-yoruba-monarch-esogban-of-benin-replies-alake-of-egbaland/ |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by googi: 12:17am On Mar 08, 2018 |
These children of Ogiamen anger nor dey res, no wonder Oranmiyan call am Ile-Ibinu. Every month, they come out with a new history trying to wear their Yoruba progenitors out. They have repeated these lies so many times since 2000, they are now believing their own lies. Ekhalederan of Bini ko Ekhalederan of Ughoton ni! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by SicilianMafia: 1:53am On Mar 08, 2018 |
See as useless Ibadan printing press ppl with no history wan die until Edo Matter Better face your useless fraud in ile ife and leave Edo Greatness Alone! |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by jara: 4:05pm On Mar 08, 2018 |
What a pity. There is a civil war within Bini internet warriors. Some are denying Ogiso, others denying Ogiamen while most cling to OBA they never had until 12th century. The fight has just begun. Let us watch. 2 Likes |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by Kenyanna: 6:32pm On Mar 08, 2018 |
Interesting |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by KingSango(m): 12:05am On Mar 09, 2018 |
SSGN: 250 African soldiers masquerading in part as potters A few White men didn't destroy this great empire Niggers did. I keep trying to enlighten you all on how serious devil worshiping niggers must be taken. This is what has caused the downfall of Africa and it will continue to cause it until we begin to unite not based on race but the light. We must decisively deal with evil serving niggers or we will never have another chance at empire building. www.theriseofsodom..com 1 Share
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Re: The Great Benin Empire by Olu317(m): 12:17am On Mar 09, 2018 |
baralatie:Oranmiyan was not Odudua direct descendant but he was his ancestor. |
Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 3:52am On Mar 09, 2018 |
Olu317:where did you get your own genealogy that Oranmiyan's is not Oduduwa child |
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