ReinaFarine:


Of course we are accepting scientific definitions and whatever, whatever for who a human is. We have to decide what are the things that can and have successfully designed websites for the purpose of human interactions. Please, everyone is free to contribute. Things that could have created nairaland.
My submission is HUMAN
Although so many things could have created the website. I believe the one behind this one is a human by the name Seun.

And.. The op tries to compare the creation of nairaland by seun to the creation of the universe by God. I fee we should clarify the existence of seun. I can't prove the existence of God since I don't actually know who has the proper definition of who a God should be.

superior1:


The bold makes your post logically fallacious. You agreed many things could create a website but believe, how is the different from the Christian doctrine of God?

ReinaFarine:
Because his existence is not only supported by the website he created. It is something that can be proved. Who is a human?

superior1:


I am only agnostic to the extent of Seun existence question (meaning I dont if he exists or not) not on my theology. Yeah, someone agnostic should be opened to questions for and against not making some bold claims that cant be backed empirically.

superior1:


You haven't addressed your earlier logical failure, didn't you say other things can create website apart from human and then you state the bold, which is which?

ReinaFarine:

Yes, from earlier argument, it was stated clearly that Nairaland could have been created by a robot, an alien or a human. I subscribe to two of these believe. It could have been created by a robot. But it wasn't. Now the question is test for the presence of human (homo sapiens) in the invention of NL.

superior1:


There are so many things wrong with your assertion that I can pick on it for the rest of the evening.
1. How are you sure an alien cant produce the like of NL since scientific advancement and super intelligence are few of their reported attributes?, why did you then limit the possibilities to just two?
2. Are you claiming a creation is a conclusive evidence of a creator, how is that different from mainstream Christians believe?

superior1:


First bold, atheists will have you believe that
Second bold, well I have lived with all manner of people from across the World, some are judgemental and some, not so. Except you believe Christianity doctrines somehow produce judgemental people, I will say the ones you met are just who they chose to be and it may have nothing to do with their religion.

ReinaFarine:


How do we test for something in chemistry?
I actually dropped chemistry in hundred level. But I still remember the basics. Test, observation and inference. True?

For us to prove seun exists as human and created nairaland forum, we first have to state who a human is. What are the characteristics/properties that distinguishes human from everything else?
If seun possesses these properties, then he is human.
It differentiates from the Theory or System of God. Everybody has a different Idea of who a god or God is suppose to be.

ReinaFarine:


1. Let's include the option of an alien then... I don't have an extensive knowledge of aliens and their characteristics and so I prefer discussing what I know. Humans and Robots.

2. I would never say that. Hell I called people that said that foolish in earlier post. Two post backwards I said his existence is not only supported by the website nairaland. Even if nairaland doesn't exists, seun exists independent of nairaland. And the fact that nairaland exists doesn't necessarily immediately proves the existence of seun. To make this simple we compare who is seun. What has he done? Where did he come from? What can he do? And all these are easily verifiable. If he claims he was born on the 17th if July in 1932, it can be confirmed. If he claims he went to Ile Ife in 1998 to study elect/elect, that is also verifiable. So that is first understanding who Seun is. Property of the element Q has to first be understood by the student.

superhumanist:



Seun needs not to prove himself as anyone that has sense can do research on him and his office in Ogun state.



So, yes, I can't beat you and your cohorts in stupidity. Seun does not exist- you win the silly game.

THE SECOND PART THO..

superior1:


1. From response one, you are claiming limitation of knowledge on one of the items of discussion, that's a little problem but let's leave that
2. I can call all those fictitious claims and conjunctions (no empirical back up). Robots also exist independent of their outputs, we know who robot Sophia is, how she obtained Saudi Arabia citizenship, how she once said something about destroying humans etc yet Sophia isnt a human, so?

I thought we have agreed to employ scientific frame as the reference in proving your points, I enjoy our discus but you need to come up with something really strong to help my doubts.

superior1:


1. From response one, you are claiming limitation of knowledge on one of the items of discussion, that's a little problem but let's leave that
2. I can call all those fictitious claims and conjunctions (no empirical back up). Robots also exist independent of their outputs, we know who robot Sophia is, how she obtained Saudi Arabia citizenship, how she once said something about destroying humans etc yet Sophia isnt a human, so?

I thought we have agreed to employ scientific frame as the reference in proving your points, I enjoy our discus but you need to come up with something really strong to help my doubts.

3nim:
damosky12 butterflyl1on superior1
Alright, you all have definitely won this one. Seun doesn't exist.

ReinaFarine:

I have a simple question that you haven't answered. Please, I'm interested in a discussion rather than an arguement. Who is a Human? Is there is literally nothing that distinguishes human from robots, alien and whatever else?

Like I said... It can be verified. A quick visit to the Osewas hometown and supposed birthplace of seun should be enough to clarify if a seun was born at that time that he claims to be his birthdate.
OAU record has a list of admitted students into electrical engineering for the Year 1998.
There are alumni of OAU that should have at least a class picture were the Mr. Seun Osewa appears in the background or otherwise.
All these like I said are verifiable.

I can study extensively in one week in the theory of aliens and the truth behind them. And until I understand them fully, I can not have a discussion on them. I'm sorry. What I know is chemistry... (To an extent), robot and Humans. Please, if you can give the characteristics of all the three factors that seun might be. You want proof he is human, I'm asking who is a human. Then we can compare seun to who a woman in your definition should be. And if he doesn't meet up, then he isn't. Simple.

danvon:
Wow all this long arguments for a Seun that doesn't exist

butterflyl1on:

But are they willing to do this? No!

A lot of them never served, loved, gave their lives to God but were either born into Christian homes, had a false sense of holiness, were follow follow church goers, and had zero personal relationship with or strove to have an understanding about

bennyann:
https://www.nairaland.com/4509711/apology-unnecessary-downtime#67642005

It seems to me this thread escaped from bonndage due to the above link or Seun just enjoys the same attention given to God.

Won't this please your ego the more if it makes front page?

...... Runs out of thread.....

TheHolyGrail:
Will Seun respond this such utter disbelief?