HiddenShadow:
Sometimes these Tivs talk foolishly.

How did they arrive at the conclusion that the Igbos won't have been able to stop the Jihad at their border.?

Why do the Tivs think that they are stronger than the Igbos.?

Do they know how long we resisted the British.?

Igbos are the only ethnic group to resist the British for more than 22 years in several warfare including Ekumeku and Aro Wars against the British.

If we could resist the British for so long despite their use of automatic rifles, how much more the Fulani Terrorists under the leadership of the cow called Usman Dan Fodio.

Some of you just come online to spew foolishness.
Tribalism is not a good life principle.

All history acknowledges that the Fulani were stopped by the Tiv and to a lesser extent the jukun from invading all of southern Nigeria. You cannot rewrite the books to suit yourself.
The British never at any time mounted a full scale military invasion of Igbo land. It was not necessary and Igboland would not have survived it. Not even Arochukwu qualifies. They always sent expeditionary forces to subdue troublesome elements and 'pacify' tribesmen, with a view to expanding trade afterwards. No group ever had the capacity to withstand the British for 22 years. The only true invasions against kingdoms I am aware of, were those of Borno and Benin.

It's The Truth and for that reason The NW & NE Governments and their Bokoharam Almajiris want Buhari to continue till every space in Nigeria is infested with Fulani Herdsmen.

HiddenShadow:


The Tivs really need deliverance in their thought process.

The Igbos resisted the Brits for years who had modern automatic rifles when the Igbos were still using Dane guns.

I wonder why these weak Tivs think that Usman Dan Fodio would have being able to defeat the Igbos that the Brits hated because of our stiff resistance to them despite their modern automatic rifles.

if Tivs Wr Weak They Woundnt Hav Stopped D Igbos During The Civil War.And I Wonder Why Put The Tiv People In Your Failed Biafra Project.Bro What Eva You Say I Think Something Is Pinching You.Simple.

bibe:


Not to mention that out of the three major ethnic groups, the igbo was the last to fall and submit to British rule.

The Igbo were last to 'fall' for two simple reasons:

1. They inhabited the rainforest region where malaria was endemic and sea access did not exist. So a geographical barrier.

3. They were ruled by warrant chiefs appointed by the British

3. They were largely unimportant to British interests for centuries until the late 19th century. No seaport, no minerals, no trade routes. Oil palm could be obtained indirectly from other tribal middlemen. So why bother with invading ?
Note too, that most pacification expeditions were carried out because of the terror wrought against the people by the religious and political rulers not for any intrinsic value of Igboland. These included slave raiding, killing of twins, cannibalism and human sacrifice.

HiddenShadow:
Sometimes these Tivs talk foolishly.

How did they arrive at the conclusion that the Igbos won't have been able to stop the Jihad at their border.?

Why do the Tivs think that they are stronger than the Igbos.?

Do they know how long we resisted the British.?

Igbos are the only ethnic group to resist the British for more than 22 years in several warfare including Ekumeku and Aro Wars against the British.

If we could resist the British for so long despite their use of automatic rifles, how much more the Fulani Terrorists under the leadership of the cow called Usman Dan Fodio.

see painment

HiddenShadow:


You very ignorant if you don't know that the Brits had automatic rifles during their colonialization invasion of Africa.

What year was Gatling Gun invented.?

Do you think automatic rifles started today.

Go and read the history of guns.

Dont forget that the Igalas (a middlebelt tribe) conquered and ruled Nsukka (the largest Igbo subgroup) for so many years.

FarahAideed:


Yet Igbo nation couldn't hold out more than 30 months against a poorly trained and equipped Fulani led Army during the civil war .

From the way the Igbo nation has handled the Kanu matter I don't think they would have been able to stop the Fulanis....

Gbam.

This is one thing that HiddenShadow is unaware of. Igbos easily seem to betray each other due to clannishness at times, just as the Ikwerre, Etche and some Delta Igbos betrayed the Igbos during the Biafra war.

Fulanis wouldn't have attacked the entire Igbo land at once, they would have stared from Nsukka & Enugu Ezike axis. ....... After conquering this place and islamizing them, they would now recruit these Islamized Igbos, thereby increasing their populations and launch attacks further south into Igbo land.

Now, If Nsukka could be conquered and ruled by Igalas, I see no reason why the fulanis wouldn't.

HiddenShadow:


If only your parents took you to a good school, you would have known that the Igbos are the only people on earth to resist a British/Soviet backed terrorists army for 30months with almost no foreign weapons that made the French foreign minister said " I was told that Biafrans fight like heroes but now I know that Heroes fight like the Biafrans."

Benins conquered and ruled Ika, Ndokwa & Ogba. Igalas conquered and ruled Nsukka and even some parts of Anambra west.

The only Igbos who really conquered others were the Arochukwu people...

Igbos had so much power during the Biafra war because they enjoyed great autonomy and rulership of the Eastern region.

bibe:


The igbo had a political structure, but unlike the other major tribes and like obtained in Nigeria currently, it was greatly decentralized making it difficult to hijack power and Lord over the people. Thus the improvisation of warrant chiefs.

The igbo political structure was decentralized Democratic republic where no single person has power over others and there was little or no militarisation. Thus there was sustained peace and no major wars anywhere within the igbo kingdom.

There were many intra-igbo wars of supremacy(though on a smaller scale) as would be expected from a fragmented society.
Having a powerful overlord is a requirement for internal peace.

horsepower101:
Two major resistance wars against the british Devils

Ekwumekwu war (led by Aniomas)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekumeku_Movement

Aro confederacy (alliance betweens igbos and ibibios against the british invaders)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aro_Confederacy#Decline

Both resistance lasted for decades even with the british machine guns.

Know your history!!!

You and HiddenShadow should know that, Igbos would have resisted the British long enough because the Igbos never had a centralized system of govt like other tribes.

For the other tribes like Benins, Yorubas, Hausa-fulanis, Tivs, Igalas etc who had a more centralized govt, once the British invaded and conquered the center. It was all over!

But for the Igbos. The British had to conquer different Igbo subgroups seperately at different times, which will definitely take a longer period.

My brothers the noth are at it again , dry are trying to put problem between we the igbos and the tivs just the way dey put problem between igbos and Yorubas, it will be good if we ignore this news, 2019 is around the corner, dey know what dey are doing

IamaNigerianGuy:


The Igbo were last to 'fall' for two simple reasons:

1. They inhabited the rainforest region where malaria was endemic and sea access did not exist. So a geographical barrier.

3. They were ruled by warrant chiefs appointed by the British

3. They were largely unimportant to British interests for centuries until the late 19th century. No seaport, no minerals, no trade routes. Oil palm could be obtained indirectly from other tribal middlemen. So why bother with invading ?
Note too, that most pacification expeditions were carried out because of the terror wrought against the people by the religious and political rulers not for any intrinsic value of Igboland. These included slave raiding, killing of twins, cannibalism and human sacrifice.

You are very very correct.

There was never a full scale British military invasion of Igbo land like that of the Benin empire. Igbo land was simply made up of small scattered villages and hamlets in densely thick rainforests.

And since every Igbo village was independent of each other. It took the British longer time to subdue all these villages. The British were not really serious with conquering Igbo land as it really had nothing of valuable interest, so it was done gradually.... Unlike Benin kingdom where the British wanted to loot away all the precious artifacts.

michoim:
Some of these monarch are not helping the peace keeping efforts of the security agencies. If the police is covering up the killer herdsmen, how come the same police, last week, arrested some kingpins of the killer herdsmen in that region? Or is this some blackmail by those disgruntled politicians who does not actually meant well for this nation and for this administration?

You're a zombie

Xisnin:

There were many intra-igbo wars of supremacy(though on a smaller scale) as would be expected from a fragmented society.
Having a powerful overlord is a requirement for internal peace.

You actually contradicted yourself, I said no major wars (because there'll always always be human conflicts) which you concurred by saying on a smaller scale. But you were wrong about wars of supremacy.

Having a major overlord is not really a requirement for internal peace but democracy, equity and Justice which was Hallmark of the igbo civilisation.

Having a powerful overlord didn't stop the jihad in the hausa states nor the 100 year inter-tribal yoruba wars.

FarahAideed:


Yet Igbo nation couldn't hold out more than 2 and a half years against a poorly trained and equipped Fulani led Army during the civil war .

From the way the Igbo nation has handled the Kanu matter I don't think they would have been able to stop the Fulanis....

It took more than a poorly equipped Fulani Army 2 and half years to defeat Igbos..it took the WHOLE Nigerian Nation plus the might and active support of the BRITISH Army to defeat Biafra..
In case you don't know,the Biafran war was supposed to be a police action to whip the rebels back on line within a few weeks..we all know how that panned out..

HiddenShadow:
Sometimes these Tivs talk foolishly.

How did they arrive at the conclusion that the Igbos won't have been able to stop the Jihad at their border.?

Why do the Tivs think that they are stronger than the Igbos.?

Do they know how long we resisted the British.?

Igbos are the only ethnic group to resist the British for more than 22 years in several warfare including Ekumeku and Aro Wars against the British.

If we could resist the British for so long despite their use of automatic rifles, how much more the Fulani Terrorists under the leadership of the cow called Usman Dan Fodio.

are u a student of history or u are talking out of sentiments? it would have been difficult for the Igbo's to defeat the jihadists because they were not a united kingdom. they were largely made up of independent villages and clans which the jihadists would have taken piece by piece.

IamaNigerianGuy:


The Igbo were last to 'fall' for two simple reasons:

1. They inhabited the rainforest region where malaria was endemic and sea access did not exist. So a geographical barrier.

3. They were ruled by warrant chiefs appointed by the British

3. They were largely unimportant to British interests for centuries until the late 19th century. No seaport, no minerals, no trade routes. Oil palm could be obtained indirectly from other tribal middlemen. So why bother with invading ?
Note too, that most pacification expeditions were carried out because of the terror wrought against the people by the religious and political rulers not for any intrinsic value of Igboland. These included slave raiding, killing of twins, cannibalism and human sacrifice.

Your assertion is flawed as you assume that the igbo kingdom was found only in the Hinterland. However though majority of it was in the Hinterland, it extended to the shores of present Nigeria in present Rivers State (A quick Google of Igbo kingdom pre colonial Nigeria will allay your disagreement). Yes of course the geography was also at our advantage but considering that the hausa states fell before igbo land, it nullifies your claim.

Secondly your assumption that it's was not of importance to the British is downright laughable as it shows you have little knowledge of British trade in the region before outright colonisation. The most important commodity of trade to the British pre and during colonial times was the palm oil and it was initially sourced through the Hinterland (from present Anambra and abia states) and transported through the then oil Rivers (which was actually the deltas of the Niger river and the rightful interpretation of the phrase Niger Delta) which was controlled by King Jaja of Opobo an igbo and other Bonny clans and access to the Hinterland was what brought strife between him and the British who were tired of his Monopoly and wanted direct access to the Hinterland. The reason he also lost his life and the subsequent invasion of igboland.

Thirdly, warrant chiefs were installed only after conquest of igbo land and not before.
Again like I mentioned in my previous post, the main reason it took longer to conquer igbo land was due to the decentralized system of governance unlike the "yoruba and hausa states"

kindly do your due research before providing 'alternate facts' as truthful analogy.

ifyan:
I laugh when other tribe underestimate the might of the Igbo's.

He should ask the British why did they use indirect rule on Igbo instead of direct rule like others.

are u really this ignorant? where did the British use direct rule on others, as a matter of fact it was because of the success of indirect rule in other places that it was introduced in the east, and by the way most of those ur traditional rulers u reverse in the east were mere artificial creations by the British to facilitate indirect rule.

EchoCharlie:
If you are so strong and mighty as you claim, how come you haven't beaten the Fulani and actualized Biafra?

You seem to be confusing the FULANI with NIGERIA or are they synonymous in your book..

ernieboy:
are u really this ignorant? where did the British use direct rule on others, as a matter of fact it was because of the success of indirect rule in other places that it was introduced in the east, and by the way most of those ur traditional rulers u reverse in the east were mere artificial creations by the British to facilitate indirect rule.

Igbos don't revere traditional rulers,certainly not in the way a Yoruba or Hausa would..HE knows NO King..

donbenie:
Igbos don't revere traditional rulers,certainly not in the way a Yoruba or Hausa would..HE knows NO King..

so what about all those igwe who seem to wield a lot of power and influence in Igbo land?

ernieboy:
so what about all those igwe who seem to wield a lot of power and influence in Igbo land?

They have SOME power and influence as ANY representative of the people whether elected or nominated would but not to be confused with that wielded by an Oba for instance,it's mostly ceremonial in nature..
Cardinaly,the Igbo is a King unto himself (Igbo amaghị Eze),simply means the Igbo knows no King..it's a central philosophy in the Igbo man's republican nature..
Don't mind all those Nollywood movies..

donbenie:
They have SOME power and influence as ANY representative of the people whether elected or nominated would but not to be confused with that wielded by an Oba for instance,it's mostly ceremonial in nature..
Cardinaly,the Igbo is a King unto himself (Igbo amaghị Eze),simply means the Igbo knows no King..it's a central philosophy in the Igbo man's republican nature..

yea I am aware of the acephalous nature of Igbo society but only baffled by the power of the the so called traditional ruler who were mere appointees of the colonial master in such a society.

bibe:


Your assertion is flawed as you assume that the igbo kingdom was found only in the Hinterland. However though majority of it was in the Hinterland, it extended to the shores of present Nigeria in present Rivers State (A quick Google of Igbo kingdom pre colonial Nigeria will allay your disagreement). Yes of course the geography was also at our advantage but considering that the hausa states fell before igbo land, it nullifies your claim.

Secondly your assumption that it's was not of importance to the British is downtown laughable as it shows you have little knowledge of British trade in the region before outright colonisation. The most important commodity of trade to the British pre and during colonial times was the palm oil and it was initially sourced through the Hinterland (from present Anambra and abia states) and transported through the then oil Rivers (which was actually the deltas of the Niger river and the rightful interpretation of the phrase Niger Delta) which was controlled by King Jaja of Opobo an igbo and other Bonny clans and access to the Hinterland was what brought strife between him and the British who were tired of his Monopoly and wanted direct access to the Hinterland. The reason he also lost his life and the subsequent invasion of igboland.

Thirdly, warrant chiefs were installed only after conquest of igbo land and not before.
Again like I mentioned in my previous post, the main reason it took longer to conquer igbo land was due to the decentralized system of governance unlike the "yoruba and hausa states"

kindly do your due research before providing 'alternate facts' as truthful analogy.

Its pathetic to see these guys turning history upside down because of their percieved hatred of Igbos. So pathetic. Nawa!

InfiniteLoopx:

I know that a yoruba will be the first to refut this claim. Very jelouse set of people

Oh so i'm yoruba, you think ? So you know the yoruba would not swallow any story hook, line and sinker, especially when it comes from an ibo revisionist who majors on fabrications.

ogoo2020:
My brothers the noth are at it again , dry are trying to put problem between we the igbos and the tivs just the way dey put problem between igbos and Yorubas, it will be good if we ignore this news, 2019 is around the corner, dey know what dey are doing

Zombie if Yoruba had a centralized government, how did Fulanis conquered Ilorin and mounted their Emirate

bibe:


Your assertion is flawed as you assume that the igbo kingdom was found only in the Hinterland. However though majority of it was in the Hinterland, it extended to the shores of present Nigeria in present Rivers State (A quick Google of Igbo kingdom pre colonial Nigeria will allay your disagreement). Yes of course the geography was also at our advantage but considering that the hausa states fell before igbo land, it nullifies your claim.

Secondly your assumption that it's was not of importance to the British is downright laughable as it shows you have little knowledge of British trade in the region before outright colonisation. The most important commodity of trade to the British pre and during colonial times was the palm oil and it was initially sourced through the Hinterland (from present Anambra and abia states) and transported through the then oil Rivers (which was actually the deltas of the Niger river and the rightful interpretation of the phrase Niger Delta) which was controlled by King Jaja of Opobo an igbo and other Bonny clans and access to the Hinterland was what brought strife between him and the British who were tired of his Monopoly and wanted direct access to the Hinterland. The reason he also lost his life and the subsequent invasion of igboland.

Thirdly, warrant chiefs were installed only after conquest of igbo land and not before.
Again like I mentioned in my previous post, the main reason it took longer to conquer igbo land was due to the decentralized system of governance unlike the "yoruba and hausa states"

kindly do your due research before providing 'alternate facts' as truthful analogy.

The British grouped Igbo and ijaw in one category hence your Google map. Jaja though originally Igbo operated as an ijaw king and merchant. Everything other point you assert has already been addressed

Nowenuse:


You are very very correct.

There was never a full scale British military invasion of Igbo land like that of the Benin empire. Igbo land was simply made up of small scattered villages and hamlets in densely thick rainforests.

And since every Igbo village was independent of each other. It took the British longer time to subdue all these villages. The British were not really serious with conquering Igbo land as it really had nothing of valuable interest, so it was done gradually.... Unlike Benin kingdom where the British wanted to loot away all the precious artifacts.

You're a zombie, every dick and harry want to have opinion about Igbo.
Fulani people are ruling in Auchi, they conquered it from Bini kingdom

The Igbo had nothing valuable and the British were not serious in conquering them"

SPIT IN YOUR DIRTY MOUTH

TheKingIsHere:


I tell you.

The guy gave some valid points.

As for those lamenting about the guy saying that "if not for the tivs, Igboland would have become muslims ", he is not far from the truth.

If the tivs didn't stop the fulanis then, some parts of Igboland would have become muslims.

Take ebonyi as a case study

Lalasticlala Mynd44 una good morning o

Ebonyi
Ebonyi is made up of warrior tribes like the Izi, Ikwo and Izaa who drove out the ekoi speaking tribes and settled in their stead. They were even preparing invade the Eastern banks of the oyono before the British came.

BlakKluKluxKlan:



When did you resist the british ? State the wars you ever fought apart from the biafra war. Too much loud-mouth is bad.

The slowpoke said "automatic rifles".

FulaniTerrorist:


You're a zombie, every dick and harry want to have opinion about Igbo

Its true the east had nothing of value. They left you to the reverend fathers, wonder why the west and north have heavy presence in the military and government and the niger-deltans still have strong cultuaral symbols and the likes still thriving and the east is predicted to have an extinct language by 2050.

You can thank the church for that.

The Tiv should stop calling Igbos in their feud with the fulanis. May God have mercy on their souls because these fulanis control the army, airforce, police, NIA, DSS etc and Nigeria as a whole, just like Anambra indigenes control Igboland.




You're So childish!!