Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,194,784 members, 7,955,999 topics. Date: Sunday, 22 September 2024 at 08:56 PM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! (27647 Views)
That Is Blasphemy - Rev. Yinka Yusuf Faults Buhari For Saying Jesus Is A Prophet / Oyedepo: Those Saying Pastors Are Stealing Risk God’s Wrath / Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) ... (17) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Nobody: 12:53pm On Jun 27, 2018 |
Ayomivic:Isaiah 9:6 called Jesus "Mighty God" not "Almighty God"Exodus 6:2,3,secondly Psalms 103:20 said "angels are mighty in power",then John 1:1 said "the word WAS God",then Exodus 7:1 said "God made Moses God" In all of these one can conclude that Jesus is the word of God, he served as God, as wonderful counselor, as prince of peace, as everlasting father but presently Jesus is now serving as a King just like David on the throne that rightly belongs to his father. Why? Because right from the garden of Eden,Adam and Eve rejected God as their ruler, later God chose a nation(Israel) as HIS special possession but they also rejected HIM,then He allowed them to start having human Kings until the arrival of the Messiah (Jesús)Genesis 49:10,Isaiah 10:11, Ezekiel 21:27 Who must later rule for a thousand years(Revelations 20:6) to train obedient mankind and hand them over as loyal subjects to his God and Father again! John 20:17,1Corinthians 15:28,29 So Jesus (the word) WAS God for a period of time just as Moses also served as God for a period(Exodus 7:1) but presently he is no more serving in that position, that is why Apostle John could use a "past tense" saying "and the word (Jesus) WAS God" John 1:1 please take note of "WAS" not "IS" God! |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by OneJ: 1:26pm On Jun 27, 2018 |
Wunmifun:Thank U,Wunmifun. Their brain always shut down whenever they attempt to twist God's word & defend falsehood. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Nobody: 3:20pm On Jun 27, 2018 |
OneJ:Don't blame them because Satan's manipulations has gone so far before Jesus started separating the fine seed from weeds. Matthew 13:24-30,36-41 After Jesus established Christianity and left for heaven Satan immediately started initiating falsehood but the Apostles won't allow it to work so Satan killed all of them in order to establish his own to overshadow true Christians. It was after 200 ce that Satan was able to finally make his WEED overshadow Jesus' fine seeds,so if someone is walking alongside a farmland where the FINE SEEDS and WEEDS are allowed to grow together of course someone not vigilant will not notice the FINE SEEDS! Most especially when the person don't even know the type of SEED sown. That's why Jesus said "my sheep knows my voice" John 10:27 So let's just continue to go and meet them in their homes as our shepherd Jesus has instructed, those who truly belongs to him will recognize the truth. Agape my brother! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by tomakint: 4:48pm On Jun 27, 2018 |
Wunmifun: God bless you for coming to shed light on this hotly debated topic. You are blessed and I keep wondering why the Nicea Creed Doctrine of Trinity could bring confusion into Christianity. God bless u |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Nobody: 8:07pm On Jun 27, 2018 |
tomakint:It's not their fault, Satan is seizing every opportunity to promote confusion so where arrogant people full of ego gather together God's spirit won't work with them. Even ancient prophets who were inspired to pen down some prophecies were told to seal it up because it's not yet time for God's spirit to shed light on it. Daniel 12:4,8-10 Amos 8:11,12 Obviously the Spirit of God wasn't operating in their midst and they can't force God to reveal the sacred secrets before the appointed time that God has in mind{Act 1:7,8}that's why they can't grasp the inspired writings and as they must come to a conclusion with their ego,Jesus' command to his disciples they don't want to obey(namely going from house to house for the evangelism)and God won't grant them the Holy Spirit since they're not obedient to HIS son that's why they ended up setting up a totally wrong doctrine! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Emusan(m): 10:32pm On Jun 27, 2018 |
Wunmifun: You people can go any length to deny and twist anything... smh! So Justin is not reliable now because he preached and defended the deity of Jesus... Polycarp and Papias are well known people who have direct contact and first hand information about Jesus Christ from the Apostles... But here you people just want to twist history to suit you. If you read that Proverb very well....then you can agree with me that the New Testament authors who said Jesus was the one created everything was wrong. How? In Proverb you sited, you'll read throughout as When he(God).... which means it was God who was carrying out the action yet NT made it clear that it was Jesus who did it. "YOU THINK" that shows you're not sure of what you're saying. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Emusan(m): 10:54pm On Jun 27, 2018 |
[quote author=Maamin post=68869404]At the bolden, show me where I denied his deity? [/b] So you believe Jesus is a deity, right? Jesus is a Mighty God but not the Almighty God. Because Jesus also have an ALMIGHTY GOD ABOVE HIM. Funny you... It's like God is dragging position with Jesus! Because the Father Himself is also a mighty God. So, God has to make Jesus a Mighty God and made Himself Almighty God later. How many God do you now have? Besides, I can see you purposely ignored the part where Jesus was called EVERLASTING FATHER, so how many everlasting father do you have? John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;" So His Father also made Him and ETERNAL Being yet ONLY God is ETERNAL. Continue... Good, at least this is a head start for you..but You still haven't fix the holy spirit in your tri-unity. It looks like you are leaving him out. The Holy Spirit was called ETERNAL SPIRIT in the Bible if you can't find it in your own Bible tell me, I'll show you. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Maamin(m): 12:02am On Jun 28, 2018 |
[quote author=Emusan post=68887095][/quote] So you believe Jesus is a deity, right? Why do you have to lie against me initially that I denied the deity of Jesus Funny you... Simply Google the slight difference between MIGHTY and ALMIGHTY. That should help shed more understanding on your path.
I should rather ask you, how many God do you have in your trinity doctrine? Besides, I can see you purposely ignored the part where Jesus was called EVERLASTING FATHER, so how many everlasting father do you have? Now here you go again taking Jesus to be Yahweh. So His Father also made Him and ETERNAL Being yet ONLY God is ETERNAL. Continue... What do you understand by this.. John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;" Have you noticed that your 3rd person in the trinity was not mentioned in that verse? The Holy Spirit was called ETERNAL SPIRIT in the Bible if you can't find it in your own Bible tell me, I'll show you. At what point is the holy spirit of God or the power of God not with him(God)? Besides the bible says " God is spirit". If God is ETERNAL then his spirit is forever eternal with him as well. Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse. Stop tying yourself down with a doctrine that is not biblical. 1 Like |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Nobody: 12:09am On Jun 28, 2018 |
Maamin: I have already said that God is not an individual but rather an Office, Authority or Power... One Office, The Father being in unity with the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Father shares this office equally with the Son and the HOLY Spirit..... |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Nobody: 6:56am On Jun 28, 2018 |
Emusan:We're talking about available written notes regarded as inspired words so it's not about twisting. Because some people knew the Apostles does not implies they can't mislead others.2Corinthians 11:12,13 3John 9,10 So what really matters is the inspired writings that is available not what anybody says to topple God's word! Jesus was created and he himself confirmed it, John said "in the beginning was the word" of course the Almighty God has no beginning definitely the "word" is actually the subject of a beginning! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Maamin(m): 8:18pm On Jun 28, 2018 |
Arondizuogu: Due. 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" Or better yet.. "Shema O Yisrael: Yahweh Elohinu, Yahweh ehad" John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." 1 Like |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by tomakint: 5:07pm On Jun 29, 2018 |
Maamin: I have been sending scholars to this page to come and learn from your fountain of knowledge and great inspiration on how you are exposing the simple and deep things many here need to learn about the Doctrine of Trinity! |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Maamin(m): 6:01pm On Jun 29, 2018 |
tomakint: The truth shall prevail and reign forever, no matter how long it has been denied. I know it's hard to do away with a doctrine they have held for almost all their life. I pray God opens their inner mind to understand and come to the knowledge of the true gospel of Christ. The Trinity doctrine has hindered so many from accepting Christ as their saviour. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by tomakint: 10:53pm On Jun 29, 2018 |
Maamin: This is the crux of the matter as this doctrine had brought more confusion into Christendom than enlightenment. To know this, just do a survey on 10 members of the same Church who are workers in that church and ask them to explain their understanding of the term "Trinity" in Christianity, you will be shocked at their responses. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Maamin(m): 4:00am On Jun 30, 2018 |
tomakint: Exactly. And it will finally ends in 'trinity is a mystery'...'you need the holy spirit to understand it' |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by tomakint: 11:43am On Jun 30, 2018 |
Maamin: My brother you just took the words out of my heart.....this is exactly what I tell Trinitarians that there is nothing mysterious about that doctrine of Trinity but just confusion. The Bible was explicit on who.God is, Jesus is and The Holy Spirit is. The other day I was discussing with a Trinitarian who so much believes in God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I just asked him to explain why Jesus Christ said in the book of Mark 13: 32 that even him (the Son) that Trinitarians equate to be God does not know the time and hour of visitation of God's judgment on Earth except God Almighty Himself. The guy kept mute! |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Peacefullove: 11:55am On Jun 30, 2018 |
Fredmatic:Am.interested in that bold, what status ? |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Peacefullove: 12:00pm On Jun 30, 2018 |
ShadowFighter: The bracket reveals your level of ignorance When did calling somebody God automatically make them Yahweh ? I guess humans to whom your Bible said Ye are GODS are bunch of Yahweh's too . 2 Likes |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Peacefullove: 12:07pm On Jun 30, 2018 |
Primesky: Primesky, here you go again. I guess Paul of Tarsus doesn't believe in God too. Due to what he wrote Your bible said for us there is one God ...The Father or the Trinity ? |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Peacefullove: 12:12pm On Jun 30, 2018 |
PrecisionFx: Tell all this NL xtians Point |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Peacefullove: 12:24pm On Jun 30, 2018 |
Emusan: Fellow. Your Bible ascribed divinity to human beings too , so how did divinity imply uncreated ? - - " Son of God " applied to Jesus spells it clearly he was created. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Peacefullove: 1:01pm On Jun 30, 2018 |
Emusan: Divinity noun, plural di·vin·i·ties. the quality of being divine; divine nature. According to your Bible, Peter said the church would become sharers of divinity ( divine nature) Now let's ask your question again, are.they YAHWEH ?
Every human is a deity , GODS . says your Bible But are they YAHWEH ?
Everlasting Father is definitely not the Father as you later confess .that makes it a title . so wrong game there. You can only make sense if you come out and say it means Jesus is THE FATHER . will you ?
I don't.think anyone would argue the bold with you, are human not God's too according to your Bible ? So nothing special The point is , Equal to Yahweh as God ?
The bold also means, he is not Yahweh , the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob . |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by tomakint: 1:12pm On Jun 30, 2018 |
Peacefullove: he dares not explain what he knows nothing about. They are just being unnecessarily tied to a dogma that the Written Word (The Bible) does not endorse. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Nobody: 2:54pm On Jun 30, 2018 |
tomakint:Egypt,Iran,Iraq,Greece,Rome and England ruled the world in the past so many of their philosophies entered most religious beliefs leading to interfaith. Below is the secret behind the falsehood in Trinity.
|
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Primesky(m): 7:03pm On Jun 30, 2018 |
Peacefullove: Peacefullove, there's only one God! I'm not saying there are two or three, that will be blasphemy. What I am saying is that we have one God who manifest himself in three personalities. He has even given us (man) a clue to who He is or How He is, in that He made us in His own image. Please answer the following questions below. 1. How many are you as a person? That I mean your entire personality is made up of what and what?. 2. Before Jesus Christ came to earth who was He and what was His name?. Let's start from these two. Please don't misunderstand me. But answer these two questions first, then we can discuss. Thank you. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Nobody: 4:53am On Jul 01, 2018 |
Primesky:The Trinity is a borrowed pagan doctrine, it's just like the twin God in Yoruba land,it's two in one God and they're coequal. But in reality Jesus is totally a different person from His father and this He made clear repeatedly, it's trinitarians that are looking for texts in the scriptures to support their pagan beliefs! Matthew 28:19,20|John 1:1,10:30,14:9 none of these verses explicitly stated that Jesus and the father are one single personality. There is one reason Satan is propagating Trinity, it's to stop honesthearted people from exercising faith in Jesus. How do i mean? We are to believe in Jesus as God's son, learn obedience through Him and exert ourselves to imitate Him in thoughts, words and actions.1Peter 2:21 Of course all these will be impossible if we're seeing Him as the Almighty God Himself so there won't be any reason to exert ourselves since we can't be like God 1Corinthians 2:16 That's why different religions are claiming Christians today but having contradicting doctrines and conflicting theories as they can't grasp the significance of the coming of the Messiah which is simply to "imitate Him" so God could receive us as sons too! So the Trinity theory is from the Devil who's mission is to make everything seems complicated before a layman who has no longing for sacred matters. 2Corinthians 4:4 1 Like |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Maamin(m): 9:10am On Jul 01, 2018 |
tomakint: That is it my brother. The revealed Gospel is clear and understandable even to the babes. I see no reason attaching mystery and doctrine that is not there to it. This can only be the work of the devil. God Almighty will continue to teach us the true Gospel of Christ his Son. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by orisa37: 9:30am On Jul 01, 2018 |
tomakint: |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by orisa37: 9:34am On Jul 01, 2018 |
Your Take on this Issue is Superstition. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Primesky(m): 2:32pm On Jul 01, 2018 |
Riofidelio: Hmm... I respect your opinion, but you're wrong, absolutely wrong. You're simply confusing the whole thing, to think that we can come to God without Jesus Christ is completely wrong and impossible!. For Jesus Christ also said it himself that no man can come to the Father, but by Him. The whole argument about the trinity of God is born out of ignorance. How can you, a trinity yourself, only on a lower level and capacity, be arguing so blindly?. If you don't understand the things in this world, how can you understand, the things of the spirit?. Again, let me ask you too, who was Jesus and what was His name before He came to earth?. Who created the Universe?. Please, kindly answer these questions. Do you even know that man is a tripartite being, made of body, soul and spirit?. A three in one personality, yet the principal being is the spirit. So man is a trinity as well. Does that make man three different persons?. I don't understand the blind arguments about this obvious truth. Those who are wrong are the ones insisting on being right. This is indeed a season of deception. The bible told us that Jesus is the visible image of the God head. When Philip the Apostle, asked Him to show then the Father, Jesus said to them, whoever have seen Him, have seen the Father, so why are asking me to show you the Father again?. After the birth of Jesus Christ as a man, He totally refused to glorify himself being in the form of man. Jesus Christ cannot do a thing without the Father, why?. They're one, but one is the head. In comparing the body, soul and spirit of man, one is the head, which is the spirit of man, both the body and soul must depend and work with it. But can any body say they're three different entities?. The three of them,make up the man. If you dare take one away from the three, then man is not complete. This is the same thing the devil is trying to do with God. Imagine that trinity is possible with man, then how about the almighty himself who made us that way, in his own image?. When God wanted to create man, how did He say it?. Didn't He say, let us make man?, was He referring to other different God's?. No!, it was still Himself!. Please, if you don't understand this mystery, it's better you stay away, than to assume. Because you could mislead people unintentionally. Never try to interpret the bible with mere head knowledge, if you do, you would never get it correct. One must depend on the Holy Spirit to guide and interpret it. Not everything that sounds plausible and appear ok is correct. |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Nobody: 3:42pm On Jul 01, 2018 |
Primesky:I know it will always be wrong before a trinitarian like you, but carefully read through my comments again you'll see that it's you that's getting it all wrong. I never said we can get to the Almighty without Jesus! In fact nobody can see God without Faith and their was only works before Jesus came, it was Jesus that brought faith, all those who lived before Him appeased God through virtue but after the arrival of the Messiah (Jesus) you must work in harmony with what God's son taught else all your virtue will be equated to filthy rags! That's why Jesus said of all those Born by man none is greater than John the Baptist(because none of them saw the means of salvation which is Jesus) but the lesser one in the kingdom is greater than John(because John did not learn from Jesus neither was he baptized with the holy spirit which only happens after Jesus' ascension to heaven) Matthew 11:11 |
Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Primesky(m): 4:38pm On Jul 01, 2018 |
Riofidelio: I agree with you on this one sir. Although, I wish we wouldn't be arguing about anything here, but that matter is very important. I know you are looking at it from an angle, and I am looking at it from an angle obviously different from you. Do you agree that you as a single person, you're a trinity made up of body, soul and spirit?. |
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) ... (17) (Reply)
Imo Youths Lock Out Bishop-elect / Tunde Badru: RCCG Pastors Welcome First Child After 24 Years Of Marriage / Grace Testimony From Nigeria : Protected From Armed Robbery
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 150 |