bloodofthelamb:


Brother, I don't even believe that someone who has tasted the sweetness of the Spirit of Jesus will denounce Christ...

Yeah .. sure.

hypnotic:
okay, the Holy Spirit comes when you ask, it is not automatic

Yes!
when you assuming you were a non christian like Muslim or practicing any other religion apart from christianity begin to request that you want to join christianity, at that point you are requesting for the holy spirit. That means, the holy spirit is not automatic, you must request for it first just like many instances in the bible people were converted.

But in a case where you were already a christian or brought up from childhood a christian like many redeem members where brought up, to say they all have the holy spirit automatically is under statement.
They are the holy spirit themselves because Christ was already in them long before they started attending redeem, but they didn't know.
And pastor adeboye will never tell them this truth because he is benefiting financially from their ignorance.

The holy spirit is Christ in the believer,
It is your faith or religion christianity.
A scripture says without faith it is impossible please God.
You must believe in Christ and not Mohammed or whatever.

trapQ:
Bla bla bla bla bla.

Dude, learn to speak with facts. By facts here I mean Bible verses. Stop the long sermon and drop verses supporting your claims, otherwise you're just saying things.

OK,
I want to give you scripture now.
church that does not believe that once saved is always saved is not church, it is money making business.
Why?
Because christians that believe that, there are christians who are not saved will always go back to church in order to purify themselves by pastors or priests which is very wrong.
Meanwhile, the scripture says in John 1:12

John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

You have already believed and received him and that was once.
He gave you power to become saved and that was once .

This is not hard to understand.

Heal yourself abeg

paxonel:

Yes!
when you assuming you were a non christian like Muslim or practicing any other religion apart from christianity begin to request that you want to join christianity, at that point you are requesting for the holy spirit. That means, the holy spirit is not automatic, you must request for it first just like many instances in the bible people were converted.

But in a case where you were already a christian or brought up from childhood a christian like many redeem members where brought up, to say they all have the holy spirit automatically is under statement.
They are the holy spirit themselves because Christ was already in them long before they started attending redeem, but they didn't know.
And pastor adeboye will never tell them this truth because he is benefiting financially from their ignorance.

The holy spirit is Christ in the believer,
It is your faith or religion christianity.
A scripture says without faith it is impossible please God.
You must believe in Christ and not Mohammed or whatever.

You're not talking to a novice. Post verses that imply that a Christian can never lose their salvation despite perpetually living and indulging in sin.

paxonel:

OK,
I want to give you scripture now.
church that does not believe that once saved is always saved is not church, it is money making business.
Why?
Because christians that believe that, there are christians who are not saved will always go back to church in order to purify themselves by pastors or priests which is very wrong.
Meanwhile, the scripture says in John 1:12

John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

You have already believed and received him and that was once.
He gave you power to become saved and that was once .

This is not hard to understand.

How does that verse substantiate your claims? How does that verse translate to a sinner never losing their salvation despite living in sin?

bloodofthelamb:


Have it. Romans 5:17- For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the GIFT of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ...

trapQ:
You're not talking to a novice. Post verses that imply that a Christian can never lose their salvation despite perpetually living and indulging in sin.

Mteeeeeew!!! I thought i was talking to human being .

This one is typical of Pharisees asking Jesus show me sign from heaven.

My guy, no verses for you, get lost

hypnotic:
Heal yourself abeg

is that all you can saying?
Anyway, i never expected anything less from people that think bible is that easy to understand. They don't have any argument

trapQ:
How does that verse substantiate your claims? How does that verse translate to a sinner never losing their salvation despite living in sin?

You said it is not written that righteousness is a gift then I showed you were it is. Now you have jump to a whole new chapter.

Before I address this. Do you now believe that righteousness and holiness is a precious gift from GOD to mankind?

i am not here to argue but give counsel. Bible is easy to understand, ask the Holy Spirit, it is his book, he will teach you. Besides do not debase any pastor (because you do not know the spiritual cover the pastor has no matter how "small" the pastor might be) or else you might find out that unbelievers are living better lives than you because you have used your mouth to open yourself to curse you could have avoided; thus heal yourself

paxonel:
is that all you can saying?
Anyway, i never expected anything less from people that think bible is that easy to understand. They don't have any argument

hypnotic:
i am not here to argue but give counsel.

then you should have gone straight to counsel rather than to putting up that crap you did.

Bible is easy to understand, ask the Holy Spirit, it is his book, he will teach you. Besides do not debase any pastor (because you do not know the spiritual cover the pastor has no matter how "small" the pastor might be) or else you might find out that unbelievers are living better lives than you because you have used your mouth to open yourself to curse you could have avoided; thus heal yourself

You know, you cannot counsel anything in christianity except you have scriptural back up.
Can you back up what you have just said about pastors and curses using scriptures?

Anyway, read my post again. no church have the power to impose their beliefs on anyone.
Your faith as a christian is what justifies you, that justification is eternal,which is very scriptural and very correct, Once saved is always saved
So, i don't know where your healing counsel is coming from?

If you did not understand what I meant, may be you are the one that needs the healing, cos you had the option of not commenting at all.

Mr councellor

paxonel:
Op, churches that will never agree with this truth.
1. Deeper life
2. RCCG
3. Winners chapel
4. MFM
5. Christ apostolic
etc

All these churches were sent by the devil to torment christians in Nigeria.

Beware!

Once you believe in Christ you are saved forever. Except you denounce christianity to join other religions like Islam, Buddhism, atheism, etc

Christ Embassy believes that once saved is eternally saved.

boldx:

Christ Embassy believes that once saved is eternally saved.

yes! That's true.
But, I once heard pastor Chris teaching that if a christian do not repent of his sin he is going to hell fire.
Then, I begin to wonder, what is this man saying?

Go and save souls for Jesus, that is my conclusion

paxonel:
then you should have gone straight to counsel rather than to putting up that crap you did.

You know, you cannot counsel anything in christianity except you have scriptural back up.
Can you back up what you have just said about pastors and curses using scriptures?

Anyway, read my post again. no church have the power to impose their beliefs on anyone.
Your faith as a christian is what justifies you, that justification is eternal,which is very scriptural and very correct, Once saved is always saved
So, i don't know where your healing counsel is coming from?

If you did not understand what I meant, may be you are the one that needs the healing, cos you had the option of not commenting at all.

Mr councellor

hypnotic:
Go and save souls for Jesus, that is my conclusion

only if you had said so

Elisha and the 40 children

paxonel:
then you should have gone straight to counsel rather than to putting up that crap you did.

You know, you cannot counsel anything in christianity except you have scriptural back up.
Can you back up what you have just said about pastors and curses using scriptures?

Anyway, read my post again. no church have the power to impose their beliefs on anyone.
Your faith as a christian is what justifies you, that justification is eternal,which is very scriptural and very correct, Once saved is always saved
So, i don't know where your healing counsel is coming from?

If you did not understand what I meant, may be you are the one that needs the healing, cos you had the option of not commenting at all.

Mr councellor

hypnotic:
Elisha and the 40 children

which Elisha?
When Jesus says the least person in God's kingdom is greater than all the prophets of the old?

So, you want to emulate evil?
A prophet killing 40 children for being childish is that not evil?

When Jesus says love your neighbor as yourself?

You people should just be mindful of the way you follow people like D. K Olukoya who want to be like old testament prophets. They are misleading you people o

paxonel:
which Elisha?
When Jesus says the least person in God's kingdom is greater than all the prophets of the old?

So, you want to emulate evil?
A prophet killing 40 children for being childish is that not evil?

When Jesus says love your neighbor as yourself?

You people should just be mindful of the way you follow people like D. K Olukoya who want to be like old testament prophets. They are misleading you people o

So true. Non of the old testament prophet have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them. He only work with them but not in them.

The 'new creation in Christ' is a home to the Spirit of Truth.

bloodofthelamb:


So true. Non of the old testament prophet have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them. He only work with them but not in them.

The 'new creation in Christ' is a home to the Spirit of Truth.

exactly bro!