Originakalokalo:


The disciples of Jesus asked him about the sign of the end and the sign of the fall of Jerusalem

Jesus answered the questions with one answer.

The questions are " when shall these things be?


and " what shall be the sign of thy coming"

" These things " refered to the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem.


Jesus answered by foretelling the fall of Jerusalem which came to pass in 70AD.

Those signs Jesus predicted were for the fall of Jerusalem and by extension, the end of the world

EagleNest:
Personally, I am always keen in understanding the signs of the time from bible perspective.

I am equally drawn more to the words of Jesus Christ concerning these events and keep my eyes on it. These things will happen before His 2nd coming back to this world.

I have been looking intently on Matthew 24:51, Mark 13:1-37 and Luke 21:5-36 which repeated these accounts in similar order of key events but with some slight variations in details.

I am particularly struck by a key sign in Luke 21:20 where Jesus Christ said " But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near". This is sort of written in codes to me in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 where they wrote" so when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet..."

This "abomination of desolation" words has been a bit challenging to understand until recently when Luke 21:20 clears it out for me.

Looking at the present scenarios in middle east and Syria in particular, the proxy wars, the aggregation of many armies, the Palestinian demonstrations and Israel response, the planned move of Israel embassy to Jerusalem, rise and fall of ISIS, etc, is anyone thinking like I do that it looks like the fulfilment of Luke 21:20 is imminent considering the recent happenings.

I have asked myself severally how did the world wars 1 & 2 align with end of time events considering that it is a world defining events that affected many. I have not clearly pieced it together. Do anyone know more?

arantess:

Personally I believe WW1and 2were just another 'wars and rumours of wars' which Jesus told his disciples about on the mountain that day, remember he told them when u hear/see all these things let not ur heart be troubled for the 'end is not come yet'...they are part of the normal process of life that would ultimately lead to the end
What i personally look out for is/are
1.Paslm 83/Isaiah 17 war(Israel vs her Arab neibors most likely led by Iran (though not Arab herself).
2.Speedy construction of the third temple( this is because no more resistance from the Palestine's again as they would have been defeated in the war.
3.Resumption of animal sacrifice in the temple.
4.Antichrist revealing himself and immediately surrounding Jerusalem with his armies

arantess:
I believe some prophecies have double fulfilment e.g 70AD destruction of Jerusalem and another coming destruction, shortly before the Antichrist takes over) and the upcoming destruction of Damascus(Isaiah 17 prophecy), even though she had been defeated before in 1kings 16...

EagleNest:


Talking about Antichrist, I would think it's already revealed and are playing roles in the war in middle east. 1John2:18-23 describes Antichrist and for me the Islamic extremist fits into this description.

Your comment on WW1 & 2 sounds reasonable otherwise how else do we describe it in line with end time prophecy.

EagleNest:


I struggle a lot with old testament prophecies because it's often quite ancient and you won't know if it is already fulfilled while we still hope on its fulfillment in our own generation.

My eyes are more on Jesus Christ's words on this, because it is more about His 2nd coming and wiping of the board (sure you understand).

sonmvayina:
The mistake most people make when trying to decipher Bible prophecy is that they do so from the point of view of the reader rather than the speaker..[/b] The disciples of Jesus asked him a question and he was answering them. Not us that is reading it 2000+ years later.. If the disciples did not witness those things it means Jesus lied, there are no 2 ways about it. [b]

[/b]When the time frame giving by the Jewish prophet of the coming of the messiah did not happen, they carried on with their life and saw it as a wishful thinking.. [b]
The messiah was coming to usher in an Era of utopian peace, no more oppression and men will learn of war no more.. But what do we have? No peace and we keep inventing new weapons of mass destruction... So please drop the idea of Word ending... It won't, but let us try and promote peace and love amongst ourselves and teach America how to do it....

arantess:

i fully understand, No word is surer than CHrists word
remember daniels vision about the 70weeks (Daniel9;24-27), they are so ancient, yet we cant say they have been fufilled totally, can we??

arantess:

about the antichrist, if am to put a face, i would say Erdogan of Turkey(i may be wrong on this, just my opinion)...recently he called for a coalition of armies against israel...www.jpost.com/Blogs/Above.../Army-Of-Islam-Erdogans-Plot-Against-Israel-546704...
overall a lot of things are about to go down even as early as 2022AD, May God help us to be standing when His son comes, AMen
who is this Islamic extremist

EagleNest:


My brother bible is often deeper than what we might think.
Not only today do we try to read meaning from it and get confused but even in ancient times. Even those who are direct recipients, who heard direct from Christ also struggled with understanding how much more we who were not there but handed down these words.

But today we have a teacher in the Holy Spirit to help. That's why Paul is a little bit different from the Apostles by the special gift of understanding mysteries.

Back to the boldened, even when Christ came neither did they know. Even when he revealed Himself, neither did they believe HIM except very few wise ones among them. That's the reason I keep on being inquisitive about this and watching for clues. Wisdom is making useful application of knowledge.

And the last one is, of course the current system will end. That's sacrosanct. There will be resetting of the current world and taking over of ownership. If it is not so Jesus Christ need not to come.

sonmvayina:


The messiah the jews wrote about is not coming to die to save humans, but coming to rule in a peaceful world. Forgiveness was already possible all you had to do was confess and forsake your evil ways and God will forgive and remember your sins no more..
The messiah was from the shoot of Jesse, meaning he will have a human father and mother since genealogy is only transferred from father to son.. The messiah was coming only once as there was no second coming arrangement... So please Jesus is just a Roman invention to deceive and waste your time..

EagleNest:
Looks like am alone here.

EagleNest:


Very good insight.

Just thinking...if the fall of Jerusalem happened in 70AD, how come the world has not ended.

Because, this event pointedly should herald the coming of Christ, the harvest of souls and battle of Armegedon.

Ezekiel 38 comes to mind about people who were scattered from their land (referring to Israel) who now would be brought back (fulfilled in 1948).

This year will be 70years after their return does this have biblical implication?

EagleNest:


Talking about Antichrist, I would think it's already revealed and are playing roles in the war in middle east. 1John2:18-23 describes Antichrist and for me the Islamic extremist fits into this description.

Your comment on WW1 & 2 sounds reasonable otherwise how else do we describe it in line with end time prophecy.

arantess:

about the antichrist, if am to put a face, i would say Erdogan of Turkey(i may be wrong on this, just my opinion)...recently he called for a coalition of armies against israel...www.jpost.com/Blogs/Above.../Army-Of-Islam-Erdogans-Plot-Against-Israel-546704...
overall a lot of things are about to go down even as early as 2022AD, May God help us to be standing when His son comes, AMen
who is this Islamic extremist

arantess:

i fully understand, No word is surer than CHrists word
remember daniels vision about the 70weeks (Daniel9;24-27), they are so ancient, yet we cant say they have been fufilled totally, can we??

sonmvayina:
The mistake most people make when trying to decipher Bible prophecy is that they do so from the point of view of the reader rather than the speaker.. The disciples of Jesus asked him a question and he was answering them. Not us that is reading it 2000+ years later.. If the disciples did not witness those things it means Jesus lied, there are no 2 ways about it.

When the time frame giving by the Jewish prophet of the coming of the messiah did not happen, they carried on with their life and saw it as a wishful thinking..
The messiah was coming to usher in an Era of utopian peace, no more oppression and men will learn of war no more.. But what do we have? No peace and we keep inventing new weapons of mass destruction... So please drop the idea of Word ending... It won't, but let us try and promote peace and love amongst ourselves and teach America how to do it....

Anas09:

Ergogan is just a Stooge. Over the years Satan has had so many stooges working for him, but, the face of the Antichrist will not be seen until the Church is taken out of here, according to the Holy Spirit through Apostle Paul.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians:2:3

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2 Thessalonians:2:4

Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2 Thessalonians:2:5

[/b]And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.[/b]
2 Thessalonians:2:6

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians:2:7

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2 Thessalonians:2:8

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thessalonians:2:9

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 Thessalonians:2:10

are u implying a PreTribulation rapture??

EagleNest:


Very good insight.

Just thinking...if the fall of Jerusalem happened in 70AD, how come the world has not ended.

Because, this event pointedly should herald the coming of Christ, the harvest of souls and battle of Armegedon.

Ezekiel 38 comes to mind about people who were scattered from their land (referring to Israel) who now would be brought back (fulfilled in 1948).

This year will be 70years after their return does this have biblical implication?

arantess:
I believe some prophecies have double fulfilment e.g 70AD destruction of Jerusalem and another coming destruction, shortly before the Antichrist takes over) and the upcoming destruction of Damascus(Isaiah 17 prophecy), even though she had been defeated before in 1kings 16...

Anas09:

Wtong. Very wrong. Jesus Came for the whole world and He spoke to the whole world.

And, He is the Prince of Peace. there's no peace outside of Him

sonmvayina:


Ohh may.... Continue to waste your time, and continue worshipping an idol created by Rome, me I have signed out long time ago.. We are all on different places on the same journey.. When you get to where I am you will know that there is only one e God, that is responsible for both light and darkness, good and evil, well being and disaster..

Anas09:

Good for you. what do you now worship?


Guy, you are no where, stop lying to yourself. There's a way that seems right to a man, but the end is destruction.
Enjoy the earth. very soon you shall know if Jesus was a Roman invention.