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Re: Question About The Devil In The Month Of Ramadan by tintingz(m): 4:56am On Apr 28, 2019 |
tintingz:@IMAliyu, do you have any response for this questions? |
Re: Question About The Devil In The Month Of Ramadan by IMAliyu(m): 3:33pm On Apr 28, 2019 |
tintingz:For freewill to exist in this context it would mean God's omniscience would have to be limited in a sense. Meaning God knows and planned all possibilities and outcomes, but not the choices someone would make within the given possibilities. This should solve the problem of why God gets angry when you sin and reward when you do good deeds. God being omnipotent (having the power to prevent and stop all evil doings), but for him to prevent all evil actions would be to negate the freedom of freewill. Now the problem of "natural evil". This explanation is from my subjective opinion. This would be a result of Ambivalent creation like I suggested earlier (neither good nor bad / being good and bad simultaneously) doing their purpose e.g. A bacterial is not good nor bad (or both good and bad) it's just doing what it knows to do, to survive and multiply. This can be a bad thing such as causing food poisoning or it could results in a beneficial relationship with it's host such as gut bacteria (which help in digesting food), or nature which is beautiful and trying to kill you at the same time. But these are not considered to be evil as they obey the purpose their creator has assigned them. So When "natural evil" (e.g. death, epidemics, natural disasters etc) happen, they are considered as natural suffering in the world and a test from God. And for those that can endure the Test without loosing faith or giving into the temptation of evil/sin a compensation awaits them in the afterlife. This would call into question God's omnibenevolence which is if God is all loving why would he create or allow suffering and evil in the world. My (probably unsatisfactory) answer would be God did not create us to be happy, but to strive and to strive we need the possibility of a better a world (here on Earth or Heaven) which can be achieved by our actions and individual choices and the threat of a what could go wrong or be worse (here on Earth or hell) based on our individual actions again. God being omnibenevolent to me seems like an idea that originated from Christian theology (Jesus dying for the sins of the world because God loves the world that he had to sacrifice his only son to save it) which I may be wrong about, but I personally don't buy into it, but this does not mean I agree with God being malevolent or evil. |
Re: Question About The Devil In The Month Of Ramadan by tintingz(m): 4:28pm On Apr 28, 2019 |
IMAliyu:Ok, God beforehand does not know the outcome of choice someone make? Let's get this straight again, did God know I will be in hell long before I was created? God being omnipotent (having the power to prevent and stop all evil doings), but for him to prevent all evil actions would be to negate the freedom of freewill.Does this also mean preventing evil is wrong? What happens to the victim's freewill, is it not affected? Like a murderer and the victim. Now the problem of "natural evil". This explanation is from my subjective opinion.The initial plan of God is to create humans to be happy reason Adam was put in the garden of eden, something led to another thing and God got angry and put Adam in another world. But if you insist God plan is for humans not to be happy then you're still supporting my argument God is malevolent. The whole concept of morality in the Qur'an is to be good, God is good that he hate evil. "Natural evil" is God's creation, he has the power to create the world without it, at least he created paradise. It's even a pointless test when natural disasters would have wiped out a whole community, what point is he gonna get from dead people? Giving an excuse that he's using it(natural evil) as a form of test is pointless and meaningless, an all-knowing God doesn't need to test to get a result or point, he already knows the outcome of a test long before creation except you agree God is not all-knowing. Testing is an attributes of imperfection. |
Re: Question About The Devil In The Month Of Ramadan by IMAliyu(m): 12:08pm On Apr 29, 2019 |
tintingz:The literal interpretation of that Hadith is Allah restrains the devils and rebellious jinns during the month of ramadan, opens the gates of Jannah and closes the gates of hell. To the first question. The devils don't escape on their own they are only restrained for the month. As for why Allah doesn't restrain them permanently. Remember Satan's promise with God? To the second question Sins and evil are not stopped, because even in the absence of the devil, freewill and desire still exists. The devil doesn't force anyone to sin, but persuades them and the individual has to willing choose to sin. Now for a more metaphorically interpretation of that Hadith would be People fasting who are hungry and thirsty are less likely to go out and spread evil, so in a way the devils (in our hearts) are restrained. The gates of heaven are opened and gates of hell are closed meaning that redemption is more possible and easier in the given month. Disclaimer: these are my personal interpretations |
Re: Question About The Devil In The Month Of Ramadan by tintingz(m): 9:30pm On Apr 30, 2019 |
IMAliyu:So Satan promise is powerful than Allah's power? If Allah actually hate evil and is able to stop evil, why can't he just do it? To the second questionI think we have discussed about "freewill" and it paradox. I don't want us to go back and forth. Now for a more metaphorically interpretation of that Hadith would bePeople only do this out of irrational fear and not because devils are chained. |
Re: Question About The Devil In The Month Of Ramadan by tintingz(m): 11:25pm On May 09, 2019 |
Still a valid question. |
Re: Question About The Devil In The Month Of Ramadan by tintingz(m): 6:49am On Apr 22, 2020 |
I hope the devil is chained again this year. |
Re: Question About The Devil In The Month Of Ramadan by IslamVIRGINS(f): 2:02pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
The Quran , chapter 9 ( At-Tawba ), verses 2–6: So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months (2) ... So if you repent, that is best for you; ... And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment. (3) ... Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. (4) ... And when the sacred months have passed, then KILL CHRISTIANS and JEWS wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. (5) ... And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know. (6) |
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