bk.babe97y

You are one scary looking female. Eosh! Dat be no sexy picture. You are obese. You stupid Akata. I can;t show my pic, it's a bit XXXX rated . Is that your hair or did your Indian friend lend it to you ? LOL. I hate Akata's . They should put y'all in teh gas chamber, so you can have a black Ann Frank to tell your story. That way, maybe the world will have a lil compassion for the animals we know as Black Americans.

Are you even black ? Black Babe , my yansh. Abeg Commot For here!!! Check your ancestry, you might be pleasantly surprised to find that there is nothing black about your DNA.

Glory Be to Yur White Massa. Damn. Wish I was here in the 1600's , so that I could play a beautiful role in making you akata's werk!!!!!!!!!

@Dis Guy
Based on my personal experience, Jamaica is safer than Ghana, unless one is wrapped up in ganja business, Jamaica is less safe

safariman:

@Dis Guy
Based on my personal experienc[/b]e, Jamaica is safer than Ghana, unless one is wrapped up in ganja business, Jamaica is less safe

Sorry your personal experience does not match the reality on ground. A tourist will not be able to attest to the true reality of things in Jamaica

Most of the city centres and hotel locations are relatively safe, but when you go into the inner cities and the ghettos, you'll know its not safer than Ghana.

There are many Dons who rule these inner cities/ghettos, the same way Dudu was ruling Tivoli gardens, and you [b]MUST watch your back and be VERY careful what you do when you get into these places.

Right and Africa doesn't have any garrisons? You guys I swear.

@BK you know damn well in Jamaica they don't just rob/kill foreigners just because, they usually go for those who are naive and show offs.


This is not limited to Jamaica. I don't know how ppl can say there is no prejudice against us but then act like we are the "killers of the world". Learn the history of Jamaica and the C.I.A's involvement and you will see why there is endless crime. Don't talk about us like we are a disgrace when you don't know the facts.

@Benny boy: I understand what you are saying but I still believe that is a stigma we have had to live with due to the drug trades in which we gained notoriety in the 1980s. Kingston/St.Catherine are only AREAS in Jamaica, NOT ALL OF Jamaica. Our population is only less than a full 3 million, if we were dropping like flies as you all WANT to believe my whole family in those areas would be wiped out. Like I said there are more random killings in places like the Congo/Uganda than Kingston. I said it.

There may be love on both sides and I appreciate that but I don't take this "those Jamos" talk. I dont appreciate it at all and the willingness to stereotype us.

0AM4J you dont know anything about Jamaica. "watch your back" seriously?, they know who is part of what, they dont bother just anybody. This is AMAZING!

MzDarkSkin:

Right and Africa doesn't have any garrisons? You guys I swear.

@BK you know damn well in Jamaica they don't just rob/kill foreigners just because, they usually go for those who are naive and show offs.


This is not limited to Jamaica. I don't know how ppl can say there is no prejudice against us but then act like we are the "killers of the world". Learn the history of Jamaica and the C.I.A's involvement and you will see why there is endless crime. Don't talk about us like we are a disgrace when you don't know the facts.

@Benny boy: I understand what you are saying but I still believe that is a stigma we have had to live with due to the drug trades in which we gained notoriety in the 1980s. Kingston/St.Catherine are only AREAS in Jamaica, NOT ALL OF Jamaica. Our population is only less than a full 3 million, if we were dropping like flies as you all WANT to believe my whole family in those areas would be wiped out. Like I said there are more random killings in places like the Congo/Uganda than Kingston. I said it.

There may be love on both sides and I appreciate that but I don't take this "those Jamos" talk. I dont appreciate it at all and the willingness to stereotype us.

0AM4J you dont know anything about Jamaica. "watch your back" seriously?, they know who is part of what, they dont bother just anybody. This is AMAZING!

MZDarkskin I am very aware of the likes of Micheal Manley and his socialist agenda and the conspiracies against him, the influx of arms from America which has contributed in a big way to the current situation. Black people don't just go about killing themselves believe it on not, not even in the darkest Jungles of Uganda and Congo.

Anyway never mind about that, you seem reasonable enough and i suspect we agree on more things than we disagree on. Bottom line is I don't think Diane Abbot's comments were warranted, she has the right especially as a black person to express her concerns about Nigeria but the comparison was unnecessary and you agreed earlier so case closed.

More importantly is that your real picture on you profile?

^^LOL no thats a cartoon I made of "myself". As for your comment on Michael Manley, my family are loyal and "die-hearted" PNP supporters! He was a real hero to us, God bless his soul. There were ALOT of fishy secretive American involvement in his various assasination attempts for siding with Fidel Castro. And people dont realize something as "random" as the story of Patrice Lumumba from the Congo to even the blood diamonds of Angola and Sierra Leone are related to what is going on in Jamaica, this has been proven and written about.

Anyway i don't want to say too much on that issue so I will leave it there. We agree on most things so as you said its done.

D way british labour party excluded that woman from d shadow cabinet shows how insignificant blacks are in british politics.No matter how hard some like abbort try to belong oyinbo will always relegate them to d background.Pity for uncle and aunty TOMS

MzDarkSkin:


0AM4J you dont know anything about Jamaica. "watch your back" seriously?, they know who is part of what, they dont bother just anybody. This is AMAZING!

Sweetheart I dont claim to be an expert in Jamaica affairs, but it might surprise you to know that I have been living, working and doing business in Jamaica for some years now. I spend more time in Jamaica than any other place in the world in the past 3 yrs, So I have a good idea of what am talking about. My earlier post on this thread is

OAM4J:

Yes the killings per capita in Jamaica is more, but most of these killings are gang/drug/deals related, these guys dont just go about killing anybody. Otherwise Jamaica is peaceful and safe.

But for someone who claims to know Jamaica and Ghana to say Jamaica is safer than Ghana, I disagree. And the fact remains that many of the Jamaica inner cities and ghettos are not as safe compare to Ghana villages/ghettos. You and I know that you really have to be careful and watch your back in some of these places in Jamaica. For instance, someone offered me a free accommodation at Grandville/Montego Bay, but had to turn it down for security purpose. And I can name 3 or 4 other areas in Montego bay, I will not at this time pass the night in, even for free. But I still love Jamaica, and if you are careful and not criminally minded, then Jamaica can be heaven.

I am not not one of the people who stereotype  Jamaicans, there are many wonderful, well-educated, honest and beautiful people in Jamaica, and these people are several times more than the trouble-makers. I also know and understand the Political/America conspiracies behind many of the gangsterism and troubles in Jamaica.

@0AM4J
I respect your opinion, as for me, I have been going to Jamaica for the past 20 years and during the '70s I represented Nigerian at the Nigeria vs Ghana games so I visited Accra at that time and I now go there on business.

In Jamaica, I have travelled through Trillani, Via, Montego Bay, Spanish town, Race Course, Port Maria, St Elizabeth and I have met with many Custors and once made a courtesy call to the then 1990s Nigeria's Ambassador to Jamaica (a Dr. from Ekiti or Ondo state) and I have never once experienced any problem and that is why my opinion is based on my personal experience. I travelled to Jamaica at least once a year.
When we do business in Ghana our security and business details are totally different preparation wise than when we do business in Jamaica.

Again, I agree with you on some issues that doing business in the inner city and ghettos in any city is quite different than being a tourist visiting Montego Bay, Dunn's River and staying at the resorts, the same could be said about a lot of other countries. Even here in the US, there are some places here in DC or Baltimore that I don't go at night.

Correct me if I wrong, don't the Jamaicans treat you different (with more respect) than if you were a Jamaican, at least that what I have experienced

^^Gracias!  well said.


@OAM4J where exactly have you lived/worked in Jamaica? you understand patois?

safariman:

@0AM4J
I respect your opinion, as for me, I have been going to Jamaica for the past 20 years and during the '70s I represented Nigerian at the Nigeria vs Ghana games so I visited Accra at that time and I now go there on business.

In Jamaica, I have travelled through Trillani, Via, Montego Bay, Spanish town, Race Course, Port Maria, St Elizabeth and I have met with many  Custors and once made a courtesy call to the then 1990s Nigeria's Ambassador to Jamaica (a Dr. from Ekiti or Ondo state) and I have never once experienced any problem and that is why my opinion is based on my personal experience.  I travelled to Jamaica at least once a year.
When we do business in Ghana our security and business details are totally different preparation wise than when we do business in Jamaica.

Again, I agree with you on some issues that doing business in the inner city and ghettos in any city is quite different than being a tourist visiting Montego Bay, Dunn's River and staying at the resorts, the same could be said about a lot of other countries.  Even here in the US, there are some places here in DC or Baltimore that I don't go at night.

Correct me if I wrong, don't the Jamaicans treat you different (with more respect) than if you were a Jamaican, at least that what I have experienced

Safariman, can you give me an example of an area in Ghana that you went to on business and needed tight security like you claim? Just the name of where you went to on business presumably in Accra, and when. Whiles you are at it, in your opinion how does Safety in Lagos compare to Accra?

MzDarkSkin:

^^LOL no thats a cartoon I made of "myself". As for your comment on Michael Manley, my family are loyal and "die-hearted" PNP supporters! He was a real hero to us, God bless his soul. There were ALOT of fishy secretive American involvement in his various assasination attempts for siding with Fidel Castro. And people dont realize something as "random" as the story of Patrice Lumumba from the Congo to even the blood diamonds of Angola and Sierra Leone are related to what is going on in Jamaica, this has been proven and written about. 

Anyway i don't want to say too much on that issue so I will leave it there.  We agree on most things so as you said its done. 

Mzdarkskin, I like your Cartoon but I was referring to your actual picture. lol

safariman:

@0AM4J
I respect your opinion, as for me, I have been going to Jamaica for the past 20 years and during the '70s I represented Nigerian at the Nigeria vs Ghana games so I visited Accra at that time and I now go there on business.

In Jamaica, I have travelled through Trillani, Via, Montego Bay, Spanish town, Race Course, Port Maria, St Elizabeth and I have met with many  Custors and once made a courtesy call to the then 1990s Nigeria's Ambassador to Jamaica (a Dr. from Ekiti or Ondo state) and I have never once experienced any problem and that is why my opinion is based on my personal experience.  I travelled to Jamaica at least once a year.
When we do business in Ghana our security and business details are totally different preparation wise than when we do business in Jamaica.

Again, I agree with you on some issues that doing business in the inner city and ghettos in any city is quite different than being a tourist visiting Montego Bay, Dunn's River and staying at the resorts, the same could be said about a lot of other countries.  Even here in the US, there are some places here in DC or Baltimore that I don't go at night.

Correct me if I wrong, don't the Jamaicans treat you different (with more respect) than if you were a Jamaican, at least that what I have experienced

Let me know when next you are visiting Jamaica, hopefully I will be around to receive you, I was with the current Nigeria ambassador the other weekend-a very nice Yoruba man. But hey I will feel more comfortable passing the night at the villages/ghettos in Ghana than the ghettos of Jamaica - My opinion

Yeah-man, the bold is very true and am loving it 

MzDarkSkin:

@OAM4J where exactly have you lived/worked in Jamaica? you understand patois?

I have been to all the 13 parishes and most of the cities in Jamaica but am mostly at Montego Bay(living at Bogue Villa/Mango Walk) and Kingston where i do most of my work/business and I also prefer spending my weekends at Negril or Ocho Rios.

I understand patois to a good extent, though there are highly concentrated ones am still  , I even made attempt to speak a lot of it when I started visiting Jamaica until my friends(Jamaicans) discouraged me, telling me they prefer my African accent to my patois  

When are you coming home?

@Bennyboy11
One cannot compare Accra with Lagos, Accra is much much safer. The last time I was in Ghana was in 2009 and I was in East Lagon area, a very nice place, but even then, we were very viligant.

@OAM4J
I plan to be in Jamaica in April with a team of doctors on a medical mission trip.

safariman:

@Bennyboy11
One cannot compare Accra with Lagos, Accra is much much safer. The last time I was in Ghana was in 2009 and I was in East Lagon area, a very nice place, but even then, we were very viligant.

@OAM4J
I plan to be in Jamaica in April with a team of doctors on a medical mission trip.

cool. I will add you to my yim. keep me posted.

safariman:

@Bennyboy11
One cannot compare Accra with Lagos, Accra is much much safer. The last time I was in Ghana was in 2009 and I was in East Lagon area, a very nice place, but even then, we were very viligant.

@OAM4J
I plan to be in Jamaica in April with a team of doctors on a medical mission trip.

Yes you're right East Lagon is a very nice place. Just like anywhere else you will hear the odd thing here and there more so lately than in the past but all in all Ghana is a very safe country.

Like I said you are better off using statistics than gut feeling to make statements about a place. I walk, drive and generally frequent east lagon when I'm in Ghana with no problems what so ever, You were Vigilant probably because you were told to be or you had preconceptions, but you were obviously not Robbed cos you would have said, so how do you rate east lagon in terms of safety? well you can't

What I am saying is if you have never been robbed or been a victim of crime in Ghana then the only basis you have is the feeling you had or what you were told which is neither scientific nor concrete. Do you get my point?

For accuracy you should go with statistics, if I go to Somalia and it's completely safe on the day and get robbed the first night Im in Lagos, I would have a feeling that somlia was safer than Nigeria but how inaccurate would that be?!

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cool. I will add you to my yim. keep me posted.
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ok, will do

@Bennyboy11
I partially agree with you that one should use statistics, but that alone is not enough. I don't need only (my word) statistics to know when I am in Georgetown, Fairfax, Potomac or N/W DC to fell safe versus when I am in Baltimore or in Anacostia.
And yes, you are correct, we were told to watch out for people that are going to dupe us, pickpockets-ers or just watch your back while in Accra and I only ventured out to Nima once

@Safari man: Jamaica, Sao Paolo and Jo'burg are triplets from the same mother of Crime. No way Ghana is more dangerous than Jamaica.

^^
For me on the business side, we took extra precaution when we travelled to Ghana versus when we go to Jamaica. As I have said earlier, feeling secured is not only based on statistics, but may be related to what our hosts told us as to what to expect and how one truly feels when you are in that particular country/environment.

Jamaica takes a lot of time and pride in making sure that visitors and to some extent, residents (who are not involved in illegal activites) are relatively secured except in the ghettos. Although, appearance and on the surface, things may be super visual and not be a big deal, but if you have been to Jamaica, can you compare the appereance of a Jamaican police/constable compared with a Ghanania police? Perception agin may be reality,
And come to think about it, we (Nigeria included) are all 3rd world countries.
Just my obervation

safariman:

^^
For me on the business side, we took extra precaution when we travelled to Ghana versus when we go to Jamaica.  As I have said earlier, feeling secured is not only based on statistics, but may be related to what our hosts told us as to what to expect and how one truly feels when you are in that particular country/environment.

Jamaica takes a lot of time and pride in making sure that visitors and to some extent, residents (who are not involved in illegal activites) are relatively secured except in the ghettos.  Although, appearance and on the surface, things may be super visual and not be a big deal, but if you have been to Jamaica, can you compare the appereance of a Jamaican police/constable compared with a Ghanania police?  Perception agin may be reality,
And come to think about it, we (Nigeria included) are all 3rd world countries.
Just my obervation 

Now I am convinced that you are one of those Ghanaian hating Nigerians just using this as an opportunity to talk rubbish. There is no substance to any of your comments. Ghana is no where near as bad as you're are trying to make it and its getting old. There are numerous Jamaicans moving to Ghana and several of them do so due to the relative safety. Even Mzdarkskin herself hasn't claimed what you are ignorantly trying to claim.

Actually there is a Jamaican businessman that spent time in Ghana I'll send the link, he was essentially advocating that Jamaica emulates Ghana as a way of dealing with the level of voilence

I suspect that you work for some crappy organisation that is totally out of touch. Even the state department considers Ghana very safe so what the hell are you talking about. You can never disguise jealousy friend!!

bk.babe97y:


Man, just shut it! Yeah, your a citizen, still doesnt change the fact that your Nigerian/African. Wht the hell is this "Nigerian-American" ish? Are u seeking acceptance so bad?

Ok, lemme ask u a question; when u speak who do you sound like, Phillip Emegweali or Wesley Snipes?

Who do u bear a closer Physical resemblance to, Shemar Moore or Djimon Hansou?

If u dont look like Shemar Moore  and/or have an American accent like Wesley Snipes when u speak, how then can u look outta place walking the streets of Kingston?

Interesting way to try and apply attributes,
One thing to note tho' Wesley speaks like Wesley but looks more like Djimon (not that there is anything wrong with that) than he does Shemar Moore.

Le Moor:

Interesting way to try and apply attributes,
One thing to note tho' Wesley speaks like Wesley but looks more like Djimon (not that there is anything wrong with that) than he does Shemar Moore.

Forget the semantics, bottom line the guy is fake and that's all bkbabe is saying. He's a Dum African that sucks up to anything non african. What the hell is the difference between a Jamaican police officer and a Ghanaian police officer? Like police corruption and lack professionalism is perculiar to african police forces.

A person with his level of analytics wouldn't be working for a sophisticated organisation anyway so who cares what they think.

Semantics? Really?

Le Moor:

Semantics? Really?

Ok Nit picky then, don't worry about it, it wasn't directed at you. I just thought Safariman was being a bit of a Arrow

BennyBoy,
I understand what you are saying. But I was just trying to point out something I found weird which I think still goes deep to the heart of stereotypes, It detracted from the argument/discussion in itself,
But I could be wrong,

@Bennyboy11
Me I no be fake Naija o

They say you can't judge a book by it's cover but you are a bit of an open book. Any Nigerian or Ghanaian for that matter that refers to themselves as an African American has some insecurities, a bit of a blanket statement I know, but I will bet my Mortgage on it and Im not even a betting man.

Your inferiority complex makes you see things narrowly and negatively and it shows. I know your type, always finding it hard to pay deuce to anything Africa.

You can criticise Ghana for a lot of things but to compare Ghana's safety to one the crime capitals of the world and be adamant about it signifies that you are either illiterate and unable to see reason, or you have such a deep rooted complex that you find it hard to associate Africa with anything good.

^^^
I am not into abusing people. If you are a betting man, I'll prove you wrong.

I haven't called you a  F.O.O.L, at least not in my post, although I must say your mind reading skills are definitely better than you ability to find lucrative betting opportunities.

If I you are wrong, please donate my winning to one of my favorite not for profit org NIAA.org and if I am wrong, I'll be happy to donate to yours.
I don finish be dat

And the website is www.niaausa.org
You'll find me there