tintingz:
We can't travel at speed of light and there are consequences like time dilation.

If we're able to travel at speed of light, the biological world must have already been millions-billions years after or cease to exist when coming back, it's better to just stick to the magical flying donkey part, that make more ridiculous sense.

I have told you this thread isn't for you.

How do the angels and Jinns travel?.
Oops, I forgot you don't believe in their existence

Empiree:
I have told you this thread isn't for you.

How do the angels and Jinns travel?.
Oops, I forgot you don't believe in their existence

Imaginary entities? Ok let not derail the thread.

tintingz:
Imaginary entities? Ok let not derail the thread.

Exactly, that's why you need to be quiet on isra and miraj. It is not your subject

na wa ooh

tintingz:
Lol, so there is horse-like or is it donkey-like creature in quantum physics?

Before Science discover quantum physics, what was the Muslims excuse, belief on this subject?

Even saying it's a speed of light, how did someone in semi ancient middle east was able to travel through the space-time, open a wormhole that leads to an imaginary heaven, ok this sound ridiculous.

;DYou almost made me choke on my breakfast. Thats not nice. Not cool bro

More like possessed.

sarahade:
More like possessed.

prophet (saw) was never possessed. Those narrations are in conflict with Quran with side consequences, some of which are highlighted by the op

I don't know about Bewitched but he was a pedophile, rapist, terrorist, religious bigot who set about murdering unbelievers.

Funny they're just discovering what Mohamed confessed long time ago.
He knew he was possessed and was confused if his revelations were from angel Gabriel or the devil. Of course the devil always disguise himself

Proffdada:
Funny they're just discovering what Mohamed confessed long time ago.
He knew he was possessed and was confused if his revelations were from angel Gabriel or the devil. If course the devil always disguise himself

you chose what suits you?.

Which one has weight

Word of God (Quran)

Or


Word of humans?

God said he was not possessed. Human or the so called narrators said otherwise.

Be sincere and answer this.

Empiree:
you chose what suits you?.

Which one has weight

Word of God (Quran)

Or


Word of humans?

God said he was not possessed. Human or the so called narrators said otherwise.

Be sincere and answer this.

If Qur'an is the word of God,why are the readers getting violent?

Proffdada:

If Qur'an is the word of God,why are the readers getting violent?

can you quote those readers violent posts?.

Empiree:
can you quote those readers violent posts?.

(1) “Fight against those who do not obey Allah and do not believe in Allah or the Last Day and do not forbid what has been forbidden by Allah and His messenger even if they are of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” 9:29

This week a woman “of the book” was accused of destroying said book and promptly beaten to death by those who “obey Allah.” Farkhunda Malikzada was a devout student of Islam and had chastised fellow Muslims for trafficking Viagra and condoms. They got out of it by pretending she was burning the Koran and that’s when all hell broke loose. You’d’ve thunk she created a sculpture called Piss Muhammad or made the prophet’s mother out of elephant dung the way they stomped her bloody face into unconsciousness.

(2) “When the sacred months have passed, then kill the Mushrikin wherever you find them. Capture them. Besiege them. Lie in wait for them in each and every ambush but if they repent, and perform the prayers, and give zacat then leave their way free.” 9:5

In 2002, John Muhammad, the Beltway Sniper, lay “in wait” for various Mushrikin and killed at least 17 of them. Calculating the sacred months looks incredibly complicated and I think it’s different for Muharram, Rajab, Dhul Qadah, and blah blah blah so I’m not sure if he committed these acts of terror before or after 2002’s sacred months had passed.

“The Western world has moved forward since the days of fire and brimstone, but the Middle East is turning backward toward it.”
(3) “They ask you about fighting during the sacred months. Tell them, fighting therein is a great sin but a greater sin is to prevent mankind from following the way of Allah, to disbelieve in him.” 2:217

Oh, whoops, turns out the sacred-months thing is bullshit. So basically the instructions can be boiled down to “Kill the nonbelievers wherever you find them.” I don’t recall that passage being in the Bible, but if it is, it certainly hasn’t been explicitly stated as a motive for mass murder in a long-ass time. If you’re looking to attach deaths to this caveat, throw in John Muhammad’s sidekick, Lee Boyd Malvo.

(4) “Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out. Persecution is worse than slaughter.” 2:191

Terrence J. McNeil never committed the terrorist attack he linked to the above verse, but that’s only because men with guns prevented him. With the words “Kill them wherever you find them,” he uploaded the names and addresses of 100 military personnel and was arrested.

(5) “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4

The image of ISIS marching Christians along the beach before beheading them is one of the most disturbing snuff films of all time (although it can’t hold a candle to the guys being burned alive in cages). The Islamic State has committed hundreds of beheadings in the past two years despite it being such a cumbersome and time-consuming way to kill someone. This is likely because firing squads were unheard-of when 47:4 was written.

(6) “When your Lord revealed to the angels, ‘Truly I am with you. So, keep firm those who have believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers.’” 8:12

No, this isn’t a Metallica song, it’s what the Oklahoma beheader had on his Facebook page before he went out and cut off Colleen Hufford’s head. Of course, the liberal media claimed Jah’Keem Yisreal was committing workplace violence and that this had nothing to do with the Koran.

(7) “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” 4:34

Why feminists haven’t devoted 100% of their anger toward Islam boggles the mind. Is forcing women to wear black polyester bags in desert heat and then stoning them to death for being raped not at least a little bit sexist? The list of men letting 4:34 run their marriage is endless so I’ll throw a dart at it and pick the guy who stomped his wife’s head in because she joined him in a song (link NSFW).

( “Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you and let them find harshness in you.” 9:123

You’d think Muslim convert Michael Adebolajo and fellow convert Michael Adebowale would have cited “smite their necks” as the impetus for hacking off Lee Rigby’s head, but they attached a couple dozen others as responsible, including 9:123. That’s the beauty of the Koran. If you skip over one violent passage, there are plenty more that fit the bill. The left is so determined to forgive this violence and pin it on something else, terrorists are forced to handwrite the specific passages and hand them over to the authorities. When they killed Theo van Gogh, they were forced to impale their note to his body with a rapier. In that sense, liberals are helping to fight the terrorists by annoying the shit out of them.

(9) “Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow Him are merciful to one another but harsh to the disbeliever.” 48:29

When Westerners convert to Islam they are often seen as enlightened. In fact, if you truly understand multiculturalism and tolerance you’ll become a Muslim and join ISIS the way Sweden’s Multicultural Center Expert Mike Skråmo, a.k.a. Abo Ibrahim Al Swedi, did.

However, when Muslims convert to Christianity, “those who follow Him” quickly cease to be “merciful” and get real “harsh” real fast. This summer, Pakistani bride Nadia Masih’s conversion to Christianity was met with a bullet from her family and a dead Christian husband who had also been tortured by them.

(10) “They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” 4:89

Empiree:
prophet (saw) was never possessed. Those narrations are in conflict with Quran with side consequences, some of which are highlighted by the op

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Ok sir.

Abuheekmat:


Rosul was bewitched because Allah wants it to happen.. So, what's the big deal.

Whatever happens to rosul is a message to us..
.. If any Muslim is bewitched, just read what rosul read.. That's all...

Kii wa lo n confuse yin..

Oloshi Keferi Yahya yen.. Said rosul ate aseje, said rosul chant incantation before he got well.. Labeling rosul with kufru.. Oloshi eyan rederede... So that he can do his kufru jalabi very well..


.. And This Mr kafir albaqir Shia..

What concerns you with Islam?

You do not believe in rosul
You have your own Quran
You have your own hadith
Your imams are you god..



.... Stay away from Islam Mr kafir..

you're a big fool. did the Qur'an not tell you not to call those whom testify that there is no god but Allah kafirs . why is it that when opinions of others don't suit you you're quick to label them kafir. knowledge is an ocean. nobody is an island, I will rather go of the opinion that the prophet was not betwiched. yes sihr was done on him but he was not bewitched.

This Explains many things about the Prophet

it is stupid to believe Muhammad was under any magic or witch control.
And what is bad about it if he was under the control of magic? isn't magic and from JANNAH?
I see many abduls saying allah wants Muhammad to be controlled by magic. so even the satanic verses are also from allah.
As always with Muhammad no proof of the two men visiting him, because no one ever sees or hear anything.

Allah says:

“And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulayman, and Sulayman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, “Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever.” Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it anyone except with Allah’s permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this”. (2:102)

READ the story of Harut and Marut to know more.....

as usually Muhammad been a false prophet never remembers quranic verse and each time say something different from what he said before.

So he gave satanic verse and said to the Muslims to worship Al-Lat, Manat and AL-Uzza the 3 daughters of Allah, that their intercessions are needed.

obviously in other to cover his lying deceitful ways Muhammad claimed to be under the influence of magic.

Now to my follow Naija people. which of this is TRUE.

Sahih International
And fear a Day when no SOUL will suffice for another soul at all, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be taken from it, nor will they be aided. (Surah 2 verse 48 )


Sahih International
[b]WHOEVER [/b]intercedes for a good cause will have a reward therefrom; and whoever intercedes for an evil cause will have a burden therefrom. And ever is Allah, over all things, a Keeper.(Surah 4 verse 85)

Sahih International
And intercession does not benefit with Him except for one whom He permits. [And those wait] until, when terror is removed from their hearts, they will say [to one another], "What has your Lord said?" They will say, "The truth." And he is the Most High, the Grand. (surah 34 verse 23)
Many of you abduls don understand Arabic so mind you that this verse is referring to "Muhammad"

Sahih International
That Day, no intercession will benefit except [that of] one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word.(Surah 20 verse 109)
so now allah is giving people permission

Yusuf Ali
Say: "To Allah belongs exclusively (the right to grant) intercession: to Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: In the End, it is to Him that ye shall be brought back."(Surah 39 verse 44)
in·ter·ces·sion(the action of intervening on behalf of another.) here we have allah interceeding to allah on behalf of the abduls..


So INTERCESSION repeatedly in the Qur'an in many surah and each time something different.

Walks into thread , finds out out its Al-baqir the fabricator , walks out the way I walked in

The Muslim scholars hold three views with regard to this incident:



The first view: The sorcery whom the Prophet (peace be upon him) was exposed to is merely a usual disease and a transient illness, this is possible in regard to the Prophets as is to any human being. It does not disprove prophethood or disturb the message or revelation. God the Exalted protected His Prophet from whatever interferes with the mission of conveying the message and from being killed, not from transient physical diseases.

This is the view of Al-Maziri1, Ibn Al-Qayyim, Al-‘Aini2, As-Sindi3 and Ibn Bazz45.




Al-Qadi Iyyad explained it saying:

[

i]In regard to what was reported that he used to think that he did a thing while he did not, it does not interfere with his delivery of the Message or the Law nor does it undermine his truthfulness due to the evident proof and consensus of his protection from this. This was merely a worldly matter that has nothing to do with his Mission or rank, and he is exposed to it as any other human being. So, it is not impossible for him to imagine unreal things, then find out what they really are. It is not reported regarding this event anything other than what he said about doing something that he really did not. It was merely imagination.[/i]

Ibn-ul-Qayyim said:

Sorcery that affected the Prophet (peace be upon him) was a transient disease that Allah cured him from. There is nothing defective about it for all Prophets are exposed to illness as well as fainting; he (peace be upon him) fainted during his illness7, fell down when his leg loosened and was bruised8. This is affliction by which Prophets increase in rank and degree. Most afflicted people are the Prophets; they were afflicted with killing, hurt, abuse and imprisonment, so it is not new for the Prophet (peace be upon him) to be afflicted with some sorcery from his enemies as he was bruised when someone stoned him and as animal bowels were thrown on him during his prostration9 and other incidents. There is nothing undermining or disgraceful about it, on the contrary, it indicates their perfection and high rank before God.

The second view: Sorcery merely affected his externals and organs, not his heart, mind or intellect. The meaning of the verse is protection of heart and belief, not protection of the body from worldly accidents.

This is the preference of Al-Qadi Iyyad11 and Ibn Hajar al-Haythami12.




[The third view: What was reported — that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was charmed — is an unacceptable forgery. Rather, it was fabricated by the disbelievers.



This is the position of the Mu’tazalites. It is the preference of al-Jassas, the Sunni scholar, who said:

They alleged that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was charmed and sorcery worked upon him — such reports are fabricated by atheists to mock inferior people and to lead them to reject miracles of the Prophets and criticize them, and that there is no difference between miracles of Prophets and works of sorcerers and that they are the same. It is indeed strange that some combine belief in Prophets (peace be upon them) and their miracles and belief in works of sorcerers despite His saying, “And the magician thrives not (no matter) where he goes” (Holy Qur’an 20:69). So they believe the one whom God has belied and told about his forgery and incoherence of his claims.

It is possible that the Jewish woman did this — out of ignorance — thinking that it works upon bodies and targeted the Prophet (peace be upon him). So God informed His Prophet about her secret and exposed her ignorance about what she believed and imagined in order for this to be one of proofs of his prophethood, not that it has hurt and confused him. Not all reporters said that he was confused; it was merely a baseless addition.

Their evidence is that saying that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was charmed, necessitates the following:

1. Degradation and criticism of miracles of Prophets (peace be upon them).

2. Confusion of miracles of Prophets (peace be upon them) with works of sorcerers.

3. Affirmation of the disbelievers’ claim : “Ye follow none other than a man bewitched” ( Holy Qur’an 25:8 ). People of Saleh said to him “Thou art only one of those bewitched” (Holy Qur’an 26:153) and people of Shu’aib said the same to him.

4. Prophets are not susceptible to sorcery because it contradicts God?s protection and immunity of them.



They responded to the hadith of “Aisha” in which it is mentioned that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was charmed — that it is solely reported by Hisham ibn ‘Urwah on authority of his father from ‘Aisha, and that he was confused about it.

Dr. Ibrahim Adnan ash-Shafi'i talks briefly on the issue of Nabi being bewitched:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOHa6ZBQdUY

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