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Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by tiwiex(m): 9:11am On Aug 11, 2018 |
SUPERPACK:Thanks for making me check. Been planning to since yesterday. (a) a President and a Deputy President of the Senate, who shall be elected by the members of that House from among themselves; and (b) a Speaker and a Deputy Speaker of the House of Representatives, who shall be elected by the members of that House from among themselves. (2) The President or Deputy President of the Senate or the Speaker or Deputy Speaker of the House of Representatives shall vacate his office - (a) if he ceases to be a member of the Senate or of the House of Representatives, as the case may be, otherwise than by reason of a dissolution of the Senate or the House of Representatives; or (b) when the House of which he was a member first sits after any dissolution of that House; or (c) if he is removed from office by a resolution of the Senate or of the House of Representatives, as the case may be, by the votes of not less than two-thirds majority of the members of that House It's a bit tricky here. It does not specify a number for election but a number for removal. Technically, the other senators chose to be absent and the election went on. Whoever crafted this constitution had Saraki in mind. Lol. |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Butterflyle0: 9:14am On Aug 11, 2018 |
PaChukwudi44: Why is confusion and lack of understanding your middle name? You said 2/3 of members in Plenary and the article is telling you 2/3 majority and not 2/3 of members in plenary. Na wa o 1 Like |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:15am On Aug 11, 2018 |
PaChukwudi44: However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. Words from the bible. What matters is that he will be impeached not necessarily when or how. |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by OlujobaSamuel: 9:19am On Aug 11, 2018 |
PaChukwudi44:in law, if we have a situation where specific is mentioned in similar subject, any other item that is similar but with no specific is always treated solely as stated. If the constitution says 2/3 majority of ALL members of the house in a section and says 2/3 majority of the house in another section, it means the ALL stated in the first instance cant be applied where it wasnt stated. For the house to sit, there must be a quorum, and except otherwise stated, any decision made by a quorum is binding on the house, note that the house isnt members as individuals but as those present for the business of the chambers belong to. 2/3 majority of 1/3(quorum) can impeach the leaders, the only issue that wont make such feasible is that the mode of passing notice of sitting must be followed, so others are gonna be aware of any form of sitting even if they dont want them to, except they locked them out but the clerk must be there to get the records. 1 Like |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by OlujobaSamuel: 9:25am On Aug 11, 2018 |
tiwiex:lol, we have one of the constitution with loose end in the world, Nigeria would have been a great place if we had/have a smart and selfless president, because there is so much powers and the house cant impeach him. |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by deltaisgreat: 9:54am On Aug 11, 2018 |
FOLYKAZE:"MEMBERS OF THAT HOUSE" if you are a member of a family, even if you are not at home, wouldn't you be considered in the scheme of things? |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Butterflyle0: 10:10am On Aug 11, 2018 |
deltaisgreat: It says 2/3 MAJORITY of the members of that house. This means all the members of the house must not be present for decisions to be made. Only a majority in number to all the numbers in the house. If a family has 6 members and there are 4 members present they can take a decision that would be binding on the 2 that are absent. That Is what the legal language in the constitution implies |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Dhugal: 10:34am On Aug 11, 2018 |
It's really been proven that in order to be a member of APC, one has to lose his brain or at the very least, lower his iq. 2/3 majority of members of a house, a clear and explicit provision,is now subjected to varying forms of twists and gymnastics. For those of you who genuinely don't know and want to learn,any question that requires a 2/3 majority of a legislature to settle, means 2/3 of the total membership of that house.They all don't have to be there, but once the required threshold is cleared, then the question is carried. These have all been cleared up by the Supreme Court,for the idiots that are here supporting illegality in the hope things will later be tied up in court. See Peter Obi v Anambra HOA, Ladoja v Oyo HOA. Nairaland really has gone to the dogs, ignoramuses everywhere,kids and adults with the iq of a jellyfish populating the space. If only there were mods up to the task........ |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by PaChukwudi44(m): 10:41am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Butterflyle0:So we should ignore our constitution and follow BMC article? Chai!!! BTW who are the members of the house of Senate? How many are there? What is 2/3 majority of the house of Senate? |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Dhugal: 10:42am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Butterflyle0:If your brain can code that 2/3 of 6 is 4,can you give us 2/3 of 109 please? |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Butterflyle0: 10:48am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal: Read what i wrote again because your comment here shows you did not understand it |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Dhugal: 10:55am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Butterflyle0:Jellyfish, you either are ignorant or being deliberately obtuse. From what you wrote,4 can make a decision for 6 cos 4 is 2/3 of 6.Less than 4 can't,resulting in an impasse. Now,give of 2/3 of 109. Simple mathematics |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by 2odd(m): 11:00am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal:72 at least |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Butterflyle0: 11:02am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal: That's not what I meant. I simply gave an example explaining what 2/3, MAJORITY of the members of the house meant in the constitution. Do note the exclusive nature of the word MAJORITY and use of the language (2/3 of that) I could also have cited the same example by saying if a family was made up of 109 members and 55 are present which according to the constitution forms not only a quorum but also THE MAJORITY of members of that house. The constitution did not say MAJORITY OF ALL THE MEMBERS OF THAT HOUSE. Neither did it say 2/3 MAJORITY OF THE ENTIRE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE. It simply states that as long as the number present is more than half of the entire members then that becomes MAJORITY of the members of that house. Be mindful of the commission of the words ALL and ENTIRE |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Dhugal: 11:04am On Aug 11, 2018 |
2odd:72+. Meaning APC needs 73 Senators,at least,to impeach Saraki. This question has already been decided by the Supreme Court,which is why you don't see any APC Senator talking publicly,at least,of impeachment. Only minions and zombies,who don't know their right from their left. |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by JusticeSeeker: 11:06am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal:You insult people here but display the highest level of ignorance and behave as if you've a Phd in illogicality. Your thinking isn't up to that of a child in the kindergarten class. How can you ever conceive that All members of the house will sit before their 2/3 will be counted for an impeachment of a senate president? In their normal legislative plenaries, is it always all that sit? |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by 2odd(m): 11:06am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal:Pls I need the link to those judgement |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by PaChukwudi44(m): 11:10am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal:Yeah you are right I actually forgot this has already been settled by the supreme court in the illegal impeachment of Peter obi, Ladoja and Dariye |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Dhugal: 11:12am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Butterflyle0:Solve this question,using simple BODMAS(Hope you remember/know what that is). 2/3(members of the house). Where: Membership of the house = 109 Good luck. Note:There is no mention of quorum in S.50(2)c,and it is trite law that what is not mentioned in law is excluded. 1 Like |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Dhugal: 11:15am On Aug 11, 2018 |
JusticeSeeker:Another idiot on the loose. I know thinking is a chore for your ilk,but comprehension too? Lord have mercy |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by PaChukwudi44(m): 11:17am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal:That dude is beyond redemption.They twisted an explicit constitutional provision to mean 2/3 of those present rather than 2/3 of the whole house.Having proved to them that even with that twist it will still be impossible to impeach Saraki,he is now grabbing at straws and trying to twist even the simplest letter in English language as if we are fools.I really feel sorry for them.Tuesday will come and go and Saraki will remain senate presient |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by PaChukwudi44(m): 11:17am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal: bROS YOU SABI BOOK JOOR |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Dhugal: 11:26am On Aug 11, 2018 |
PaChukwudi44:Lol. The CFRN,1999 as amended, may be flawed,but it's not 'rocket science' reading and comprehending it's explicit provisions. I remember the days of arguing over Falana's contention that the administration can appoint Magu to full chairmanship of EFCC without going through confirmation. The zombies were out too,hailing the man and asking if I were a 'SAN' to know more than him. Till this day,Magu is still acting. Same rubbish we're now getting from Sagay. If a man be in APC,he's a new creature.His brain are passed away,his intelligence become mush. 1 Like |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Butterflyle0: 11:28am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal: Stop being deliberately ignorant. The constitution says 2/3 MAJORITY of the members of that house. NOTE THE USE OF THE WORD MAJORITY It did not say 2/3 of the members of that house. Stop deliberately excluding the word MAJORITY 1 Like |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by PaChukwudi44(m): 11:48am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Butterflyle0: so you do not understand the meaning of 2/3 majority as against the use of just majority? Bros you get serious problem.English you no sabi.Mathematics you no sabi na waoooo 1 Like |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Dhugal: 11:49am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Butterflyle0:You keep showing yourself as a product of 'free education'. I didn't exclude anything.Anywhere,any day,2/3 is a majority compared to remaining 1/3. The text said 2/3 majority of members,not 2/3 OF majority of members. Get back in class,and this time stay there and learn. This will be the last I respond to you. You continually show yourself obtuse and unwilling to learn,even though you're a paid shill.I can see you're not a sharp tool at all,not to talk of being the sharpest in the shed |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by PaChukwudi44(m): 11:53am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal:exactly what I tried to explain to him.2/3 majority is not same as 2/3 of the majority.The dude is simply beyond redemption |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Butterflyle0: 11:55am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Dhugal: Its amazing how our educational system has so devolved to the levels you are at. 2/3 majority of the members of that house is interpreted thus. Members of the house are 109 Majority of the members of the house means any number above half the total members of the house (this is majority OF the members of the house) 2/3 mentioned there is the vote required from that majority which is 55 and above. Split the expressions apart! As long as ALL OR ENTIRE were not inserted then by law it is not admissible as an expression defining ALL or the ENTIRE members of that house. This is simple legal language and clearly a loophole in the constitution as stated by Sagay. It said 2/3 MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS and not 2/3 MAJORITY OF ALL THE MEMBERS. 1 Like |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Olabestonic001(m): 11:56am On Aug 11, 2018 |
PaChukwudi44: My friend, its too difficult to impeach a president ooo. All that will happen from him is to declare a curfew, create an emergency, arrest the Senate President for questioning and detain him. This is because the apparatus of cohesion is controlled by the president. On the other side, the president can impeach the SP. He can use cohesion and the like. More so, after the whole hiccup, he can close the Red Chamber and ensure courts do not sits till after 2019. The president of Nigeria is too powerful and we must thank GOD that neither GEJ nor PMB have used 15% of that power. PMB is a confirm gentleman so far. 1 Like |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Butterflyle0: 11:59am On Aug 11, 2018 |
PaChukwudi44: You are totally confused. You are the one who has been talking about 2/3 of the majority. I have been drilling into your head that, that is not what the constitution said. It said 2/3 majority of the members of that house. There is no inclusive clause such as ALL or ENTIRE. Read my expression and read yours and see who is clearly confused when placed side by side with the constitutional expression |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by Dhugal: 12:05pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
PaChukwudi44:I wonder what they're taught in school these days. Even grasp of basic comprehension eludes him. Not that I'm surprised,the jellyfish has existed millions of years without a brain.So,a son of man or two may fall through the cracks too. |
Re: Itse Sagay Is Wrong :1/3 Cannot Impeach Senate President by dat9jaguy(m): 12:42pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
FarahAideed: Mr 'deep thinker'if you can stand the truth then..... |
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