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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by Grupo(m): 10:02am On Aug 13, 2018
paxonel:
it's not enough to say so, prove it .

We are talking about reality here, not mere having faith.
Without work your faith is simply rubbish it's in the scripture

Go back and read your post that I quoted. You typed jargons there.
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by hopefulLandlord: 10:19am On Aug 13, 2018
Paxonel, what is you doing?

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by paxonel(m): 10:29am On Aug 13, 2018
Grupo:


Go back and read your post that I quoted. You typed jargons there.

master man, learned people ask questions first over a post they do not understand before labelling the post jargons.

If the post is jargons quickly explain in your own terms what you feel is jargons about the post, otherwise you end up being fallacious person.

How is the post jargons?
Explain,
Simple.
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by paxonel(m): 10:31am On Aug 13, 2018
hopefulLandlord:
Paxonel, what is you doing?
testing the mentality of some Nigerian Christians bro grin
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by HardMirror(m): 10:59am On Aug 13, 2018
paxonel:
obviously, it is a rubbish, but as rubbish as that is, it is a universal law like whatever goes up must surely come down.
So, will advice to steak to that.

In bible days it wasn't like that because God have to intervene on issues that he shouldn't have, simply because men were ignorant.
But this days, God is not intervening on anything again, he expect us to work.
did he tell u this?
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by hopefulLandlord: 11:08am On Aug 13, 2018
paxonel:
testing the mentality of some Nigerian Christians bro grin

cheesy okay, carry on
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by 1Sharon(f): 12:22pm On Aug 13, 2018
asuustrike2009:

The subject matter is Christianity

So only Christians pray? undecided
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by paxonel(m): 12:34pm On Aug 13, 2018
HardMirror:
did he tell u this?
a Scripture says at the time of ignorance (which was the time of old) God over looked.

So understand it from there
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by HardMirror(m): 1:13pm On Aug 13, 2018
paxonel:
a Scripture says at the time of ignorance (which was the time of old) God over looked.

So understand it from there
lol. Issorite grin

You sabi interpret well.
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by Nobody: 1:22pm On Aug 13, 2018
asuustrike2009:

The subject matter is Christianity. The accusation is directed at Christianity. Nobody is playing victim here
the subject matter is not for Christianity alone, the op didn't mention Christianity, he mentioned prayer and I believe Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, Judaists and even traditional worshippers all pray.

I think you are being paced
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by Dalamama: 5:46pm On Aug 13, 2018
If prayers works, it would have been banned fom sports because it would have influenced the out come and results of many games.

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by HardMirror(m): 6:24pm On Aug 13, 2018
Dalamama:
If prayers works, it would have been banned fom sports because it would have influenced the out come and results of many games.
wow! Never thought of that before. Brilliant and true

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by CAPSLOCKED: 6:32pm On Aug 13, 2018
Dalamama:
If prayers works, it would have been banned fom sports because it would have influenced the out come and results of many games.


LOL
SOME RETÀRDS WILL PRAY IN THEIR MINDS, AND WIN ALL THE TROPHIES. grin

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by HardMirror(m): 6:34pm On Aug 13, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:



LOL
SOME RETÀRDS WILL PRAY IN THEIR MINDS, AND WIN ALL THE TROPHIES. grin
lol
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by budaatum: 6:54pm On Aug 13, 2018
asuustrike2009:
Hard work pays but should be backed up with prayers. That you are succeeding because you don't believe in prayers doesn't mean it is hard work all the time. That atheist success in what they do doesn't mean Christians can't. As a Christian, you a shinning light. You have oil that attracts Satan to your domain hence it is advisable to pray. Unlike those who don't believe in God, you are special being . Lucifer doesn't have time for unbelievers since they are his captive.
What is wrong with you Christians? Why can't you just say that God never said he will help those who do no work and that those who think God will do all the work for them are in error and need educating, so help them God please? Are there not numerous chapters and verses you can quote to prove this point and in effect that op is strawmanning you? Is "Love you neighbour" "do no work and sit down and pray till Kingdom comes"?

A Christian, or anyone, who does no work is an unshinning deadbeat dwelling in darkness they themself's have created! They are lamps with no electric, and like maggi that has lost it's magginess, if they ever had any that is, and despite all their "Lord! Lords!" they will gnash on their teeth till they chew on their gums!
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by budaatum: 6:56pm On Aug 13, 2018
P.s. I might have gone off topic some but.......
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by Dalamama: 9:43pm On Aug 13, 2018
HardMirror:
wow! Never thought of that before. Brilliant and true

Thanks. Prayers does no real work in reality. Everything that has ever helped humanity ,made our lives easier, better and safer has been accomplished by hard work and logic alone and not through prayers. PrAyers does not work. Many experiments have been carried out and it shows that prayers is nothing different from random chance.
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by capitalzero: 2:38am On Aug 14, 2018
Op is wrong. It is faith without work is dead, not otherwise. faith is a strong conviction in a belief system. in christianity “Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen.” ( Hebrews 11:1 ) For a person’s expectation to be assured, he or she needs to have sound reasons for that assurance. In fact, the original-language word for the phrase “assured expectation” means more than an inner feeling or mere wishful thinking. So faith involves conviction that is based on evidence.
Works in James 2 refer to acts of godly devition not secular activities as op wrong assumed.
Regarding success, there are Bible principles that can guide us.

The Bible promotes a balanced view of work. It praises industriousness and condemns laziness. ( Proverbs 6:6-11; 13:4 ) Bible encourages hard work. At the same time, the Bible does not endorse workaholism. Rather, it encourages us to enjoy reasonable periods of relaxation.
Ecclesiastes 4:6 says: “Better is a handful of rest than two handfuls of hard work and chasing after the wind.” So we should not become so wrapped up in our work that we neglect our family or our health. There is no merit in working ourselves to death!

Then, why do we pray?

Peace of mind “Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving, let your petitions be made known to God; and the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your mental powers by means of Christ Jesus.”—Philippians 4:6, 7 .

Comfort from God “Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our trials.”— 2 Corinthians 1:3, 4 .

Guidance to make wise decisions “If any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching, and it will be given him.”— James 1:5 .

Help to avoid temptation “Carry on prayer so that you do not enter into temptation.”
—Luke 22:40 .

Forgiveness of sins “If my people on whom my name has been called humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn away from their evil ways, then I will hear from the heavens and forgive their sin.”— 2 Chronicles 7:14 .

A way to help others “A righteous man’s supplication has a powerful effect.”—
James 5:16 .

Encouragement when prayers are answered “Jehovah said to him [Solomon]: ‘I have heard your prayer and your request for favor that you made before me.’”— 1 Kings 9:3 .

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by Hakeem12(m): 6:21am On Aug 14, 2018
The answer depends on what you expect from a prayer. If you expect a deity to be listening and supposedly answering prayers by intervening in your life with supernatural force, you are apt to be disappointed. There is no deity to hear or answer your prayers. If, on the other hand, you find prayer to be comforting whether or not anyone is listening, you may find that it works just fine either way.


Prayer has failed every test when documented in a controlled experiment, and in one experiment, alcoholic women in rehab tended to do more poorly in recovery when they were prayed for than those did who weren't prayed for. Yet people continue to earnestly believe that their prayers are not only heard, but answered. So the answer seems to be that prayer works if you believe it does, although not in the sense that belief produces miracles, but rather only the appearance of miracles.

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by HardMirror(m): 6:45am On Aug 14, 2018
Hakeem12:
The answer depends on what you expect from a prayer. If you expect a deity to be listening and supposedly answering prayers by intervening in your life with supernatural force, you are apt to be disappointed. There is no deity to hear or answer your prayers. If, on the other hand, you find prayer to be comforting whether or not anyone is listening, you may find that it works just fine either way.


Prayer has failed every test when documented in a controlled experiment, and in one experiment, alcoholic women in rehab tended to do more poorly in recovery when they were prayed for than those did who weren't prayed for. Yet people continue to earnestly believe that their prayers are not only heard, but answered. So the answer seems to be that prayer works if you believe it does, although not in the sense that belief produces miracles, but rather only the appearance of miracles.
Good contribution sir.. perhaps the best so far. Thanks for your comment on the subject

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by hakeem4(m): 7:52am On Aug 14, 2018
Hakeem12:
The answer depends on what you expect from a prayer. If you expect a deity to be listening and supposedly answering prayers by intervening in your life with supernatural force, you are apt to be disappointed. There is no deity to hear or answer your prayers. If, on the other hand, you find prayer to be comforting whether or not anyone is listening, you may find that it works just fine either way.


Prayer has failed every test when documented in a controlled experiment, and in one experiment, alcoholic women in rehab tended to do more poorly in recovery when they were prayed for than those did who weren't prayed for. Yet people continue to earnestly believe that their prayers are not only heard, but answered. So the answer seems to be that prayer works if you believe it does, although not in the sense that belief produces miracles, but rather only the appearance of miracles.
on point,

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by hopefulLandlord: 8:21am On Aug 14, 2018
hakeem4:
on point,
Wait! you are not the same person as Hakeem12?
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by hakeem4(m): 8:35am On Aug 14, 2018
hopefulLandlord:


Wait! you are not the same person as Hakeem12?
no, we could just be namesake
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by Hakeem12(m): 9:34am On Aug 14, 2018
hopefulLandlord:


Wait! you are not the same person as Hakeem12?
no, namesake, check out the profiles
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by festwiz(m): 3:22pm On Aug 14, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:



LOL
SOME RETÀRDS WILL PRAY IN THEIR MINDS, AND WIN ALL THE TROPHIES. grin
Then, they will be banned for "prayer abuse" or "high levels of the word of god detected in their system".

Lol.
grin grin

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by CoolUsername: 4:35pm On Aug 14, 2018
festwiz:
Then, they will be banned for "prayer abuse" or "high levels of the word of god detected in their system".

Lol.
grin grin

Performance enhancing gods.

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by Martinez19(m): 4:44pm On Aug 14, 2018
hopefulLandlord:
Paxonel, what is you doing?
is paxonel a christian?
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by Omooba224: 4:45pm On Aug 14, 2018
It sounds excruciating whenever I see grown up even smart people turn to mo.rons all in the name of "FAITH" believing that all their prayers are answered but no any proof that they actually worked. At this age, we still have dumb people thinking some demons are tying their destinies. It is pathetic sha. However, many are called few are chosen. Only the wise can understand the difference between objective reality and imagined reality.

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by hopefulLandlord: 5:02pm On Aug 14, 2018
Martinez19:
is paxonel a christian?
I think he is but a different kind

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Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by Martinez19(m): 5:04pm On Aug 14, 2018
hopefulLandlord:

I think he is but a different kind
do you know what kind of christian he is?
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by hopefulLandlord: 5:07pm On Aug 14, 2018
Martinez19:
do you know what kind of christian he is?
I think he's Nominal

Paxonel, what kind of Christian are you?
Re: Why Does "Works" Work Without Prayers, But Prayers Dont Work Without "Works"? by Martinez19(m): 5:11pm On Aug 14, 2018
hopefulLandlord:

I think he's Nominal

Paxonel, what kind of Christian are you?
Okay, I read his post and I was confused and undecided as to whether he is stupid or trolling. grin

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