~Bluetooth:

nothing good comes out of juju.it is not meant for progress but backwardness eg curses.

RichyBlacK:


Some may say that juju cannot be used for anything good, however, such claims are promptly discredited by the assertion of tons of juju believers about how juju can make one wealthy, successful in business, in marriage, etc. If these are not "good things", I wonder what is.

Beaf:

Maybe, if not for some very mean juju, we wouldn't have qualified to go to SA. But since juju pass juju, the boys are back without the World Cup.

~Bluetooth:

nothing good comes out of juju.it is not meant for progress but backwardness eg curses.

ElRazur:

You are missing the point I think. There isn't juju, just the same way there is no God.


@Richy
Wetin amuse me nah the need to "pray" by our players after every match. I wonder, if they had put more effort for there training and tactics whether for for don go far?

Oh speaking of the world cup, anyone notice how our players over the years have these two traditions/ritual - Placing right arm across the chest during national anthem, and then jumping up or clapping once the anthem is over.

actually,i dont believe in juju at all but i do believe in God.
Finally, may I turn this debate on its head by saying. Nigeria's last progress in terms of football technicality was under Clemens Westerhoff. There is no way, someone like Baba Rashidi Yekini, Amoakachi and co would not have buried the open chance Yakubu (Fatkubu lol) missed. Bloody hell, that was from 5 yards!

ElRazur:

@Bluetooth

It is an oxymoron to believe in God and not believe in Juju, or as l like to call it, African Voodo Science.

Both beliefs are similar if not the same - The belief in imaginary things to make the life of people/things etc better or bad. Depending on how you look at it.

~Bluetooth:

they are two different things only if you are atheist

RichyBlacK:

In my continuing campaign against the widespread juju fraud, I ask the question:

Given that:
1. Many Nigerians believe juju claims are credible.
2. Majority of Nigerians want us to progress/win the World Cup, someday.
3. Nigerian juju practitioners/proponents also want Nigeria to do well in the World Cup.

Why can't we use our juju to win the World Cup?

Some may say that juju cannot be used for anything good, however, such claims are promptly discredited by the assertion of tons of juju believers about how juju can make one wealthy, successful in business, in marriage, etc. If these are not "good things", I wonder what is.

So, can any of those who disagree with me on my assertion that ALL juju claims are fraudulent, explain to me why juju cannot help us in the world cup?

Thank you.

ElRazur:

@Bluetooth

It is an oxymoron to believe in God and not believe in Juju, or as l like to call it, African Voodo Science.

Both beliefs are similar if not the same - The belief in imaginary things to make the life of people/things etc better or bad. Depending on how you look at it.

www.thefreedictionary.com:

faith  (fth)
n.
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.

FL Gators:

Are you still tryin to prove to us that juju is not real?

We get it. But no matter how you scream, there are still going to be weak minded ppl out there who are going to use juju as their last resort to a problem.

It's also a cultural belief, so trying to explain to ppl that juju is a shenanigan is like trying to explain to some Christians that Jesus Christ does not exist. You're threading on a thin ice lol

ElRazur:

Richy, how do you explain Jesus walking on water?

ElRazur:

Richy, how do you explain Jesus walking on water?

RichyBlacK:



Unlike, Christianity or Islam, juju is not based on faith, but on magical claims that defy both logic and the natural laws.

manmustwac:

he could have been walking on strategically placed stones  in the sea  

SEFAGO:

jesus does not exist lol. He is a figment of your imagination.

manmustwac:

he could have been walking on strategically placed stones  in the sea  

FL Gators:

Why use juju when TB Joshua dey there.

All we need is a sprinkle of his holy ghost water.

ElRazur:

That's a bit weak and wuruwuru to the answer. Try explaining or something.

Most forms of belief subscribe to a higher God of some kind. Even Satanist do too.

Your Pastor claims to pray to the almighty God through Jesus. Your voodoo man calls on all type of sub-gods, demons etc to act as a Gateway etc.

Your Pastor reads from the Bible and prays. Your voodoo man recites incarnations and spells.


You get the picture. There is really no difference between an Iman, Voodoo man and Woli. They are all conning people.

SEFAGO:

jesus does not exist lol. He is a figment of your imagination.

RichyBlacK:

You're right.

But the difference between Christians and juju believers/proponents is that Christians believe by faith, however, juju claims to have a method to a result, whether you believe or not.

For example, if a juju proponent goes to Benin to make a juju that can be used to kill somebody, and that works this way:
1. Get a piece of white cloth.
2. put the juju on it.
3. Get the person's photograph (black and white - they seem to prefer it for some reason).
4. Call the person's name seven times.
5. Use a knife stained with blood of a white hen.
6. Stab the picture three times.
7. The person will die within three days.

If I tell the person that this will only work for those who "believe" in it (of course it's all gibberish nonsense), do you know the response I'll get? See this one way America don scatter im head. Look, whether you believe or not, dis juju na real and e go kill anybody way dem use am for. Except say the person juju pass the person way make dis one.

Unlike, Christianity or Islam, juju is not based on faith, but on magical claims that defy both logic and the natural laws.

manmustwac:

he could have been walking on strategically placed stones  in the sea  

ElRazur:


Oga, they are all form of beliefs. Refer back to the examples of similarities I gave to Bluetooth. Don't forget that voodoo have all types and sub types attached to it. Focusing on the magical part, may not be a true representation.


By the way, Muhammed sleeping-with a 9 year old defies logic and natural law.