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| Re: The New Lagos by Onlytruth(m): 1:09am On Jun 26, 2010 |
paddy_lo: Why are you determined to throw insults when none is necessary. I challenged you to post concrete data and you have instead resorted to insults. I don't want to add you to my list of Hediots on nairaland. Why must an investor first visit Lagos before conducting a preliminary study on this project? I would rather use the $3000 return ticket to buy a plot of land elsewhere.  Meanwhile I'm out of this now. . . |
| Re: The New Lagos by Beaf: 1:10am On Jun 26, 2010 |
sjeezy8: Whats the point of abuse? Is it a lack of sense as usual? Would you want Berlusconi to be in control of your governor, especially when he is performing? Think well! If Fashola forgets to cross just a single t, he will go down with Tinubu. |
| Re: The New Lagos by paddylo1(m): 1:15am On Jun 26, 2010 |
The Eko atlantic website is NOT updated regularly. Most of the content on there is still from last year! Not true. . as u can see that the video updates on the site,clearly shows April 2010 as the date. . why do u have to opine on everything. . .lol Its very easy to sort this out though. . If u have a relation in Lagos,send them to the V.I office i showed u above and let them get the necessary info for u. . . . or next time u go to eko,go and get the info yourself. . afterall u claim u go to lagos regularly |
| Re: The New Lagos by PapaBrowne(m): 1:19am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Onlytruth: You failed woefully in your research.  Your inability to come up with anything has zero to do with the project nor its organisers. It has all to do with your incompetence  (no disrespect intended) and inability to conduct a simple study.A project that has been on CNBC, CNN, BBC. . . .you name it. . . . and you are telling me there is no information about it  Please!!Please tell me the exact kind of info you were seeking that you couldn't find. . . .be specific. Because I didn't do any detailed study or research, yet I have much or even all the info I need to know at this time about the project. Paddy_lo is a very patient fella so he goes out of his way to politely answer the very disjointed questions you are asking. This is a great project and it would definitely change the perception of Lagos. It would create jobs and serve as a magnet for international finance which in turn would be very beneficial to Nigeria's development. |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 1:20am On Jun 26, 2010 |
So, I should completely IGNORE the fact that MOST OF THE SITES CONTENTS STILL ARE FROM 2009 then, which is what I posited and go with movies from April? Are you sure I am the one who feels that he has to opine on everything when it is all too clear there that you do it clearly without making sure you even UNDERSTAND what you are responding to? |
| Re: The New Lagos by sjeezy8: 1:21am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Beaf: yes!!! Berlusconi can be my govenor anytime as long as hes my relative. LOL na wetin dey do you dis sapele/warri boy hmm? all the Ibrus dey chill for Lagos Island na only you dey yab tinubu from minnesota. |
| Re: The New Lagos by paddylo1(m): 1:23am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Why are you determined to throw insults when none is necessary. I challenged you to post concrete data and you have instead resorted to insults. I don't want to add you to my list of Hediots on nairaland. ehm. . that would be closer to $300,000 a plot dude. . . If u are serious about spending such a large amount of money,then it should be no big deal go to see what u want to purchase or can u buy a plot of land in china on the internet?. .without first going there. . .i dont think so anyway,this issue is real simple. . let any Nairalander who resides in lagos,go to V.I(Bar beach) and get info on this project for us. . .also take some pictures. . . |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 1:24am On Jun 26, 2010 |
PapaBrowne: I have a question for you. I have myself not done much more than the website myself in the line of research on this, but since you are there QUICK to claim the reason @Onlytruth has yet to get additional data on this is because he does not know how to go about researching this. Now I know that what goes on CNBC, CNN, BBC are just advertisements, and many of these same sites tell you to go to the ekoatlantic website for more info. Could you possibly provide us with links to the detailed information you seem to be privy to? |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 1:27am On Jun 26, 2010 |
FL Gators: It really blows my mind how most every praise is giving to government these days in Nigeria. You go to Nigeria to start a successful business and BOOM . . . all praise the governor!! I don't know if it is just me, but I find it to be a creepy practise. I understand governors across the country are working hard but COME ON!!! A building props up and BOOM, all thanks to the governor. When you finally get down to real information, and find out that the government did not contribute a dime to the success of the project, you start to wonder why in the world you were fed the initial phooeY! |
| Re: The New Lagos by sjeezy8: 1:28am On Jun 26, 2010 |
nvm off topic |
| Re: The New Lagos by paddylo1(m): 1:29am On Jun 26, 2010 |
So, I should completely IGNORE the fact that MOST OF THE SITES CONTENTS STILL ARE FROM 2009 then, which is what I posited and go with movies from April? Are you sure I am the one who feels that he has to opine on everything when it is all too clear there that you do it clearly without making sure you even UNDERSTAND what you are responding to? I dont know what u mean by the contents are still from 2009. . .The website clearly shows u what the project is about with the renderings and other relevant info. . why do u presume they have to update that? The videos however shows u developmental updates,as u can clearly see that the reclaimed area as at APRIL 2010,is much larger than in 2009 Therefore those videos are more important in my opinion. . . |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 1:31am On Jun 26, 2010 |
paddy_lo: Oh yeah!!! Videos are equaivalent to all the relevant data one needs on progress on projects. WOW !!! I wonder why people still buy newspapers, or read them online, and even download signed documents to get detailed information on any issue. I guess stakeholders ought to be content with videos as updates.  I can imagine what my response ought to be watching the video . . . . "Oh! I see them pouring the foundation of the ten storey building . . . and see how they apply those shiny tiles on the ten storey building . . . ooohh shiny thing " ROFLMAO!! |
| Re: The New Lagos by PapaBrowne(m): 1:32am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: Off course as a Socialist, Kobojunkie would definitely be against projects of this nature. If the video from April that shows massive sandfilling works going on doesn't appeal to you, nothing else about the project will. But then again, I understand. Its socialism! Asides, please tell me what kind of updates you want on the website. . . . sandfilling updates abi |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 1:33am On Jun 26, 2010 |
PapaBrowne:OH WOW!! So, telling you[b] YOUR argument is crappy at best implies I am a SOCIALIST AND ANTI-THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND EVERY OTHER PROJECT OUT THERE [/b]? Your pathetic self is showing. . . cover your shame! That you are again unable to separate the ridiculous argument you are supplying on this FROM THE ACTUAL PROJECT goes again to confirm that you are likely the worst person to debate on a sensible level on things like this or anyother. |
| Re: The New Lagos by PapaBrowne(m): 1:38am On Jun 26, 2010 |
paddy_lo: The actual projected cost per plot is something like $3 million. Initially I thought it was outrageous, but already plots in neighbouring VI already sell for almost as high. |
| Re: The New Lagos by paddylo1(m): 1:41am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Oh yeah!!! Videos are equaivalent to all the relevant data one needs on progress on projects. WOW !!! I wonder why people still buy newspapers and actually download signed documents to get detailed information on any issue. OH Well. . I have lots of INFO on this project,but i believe video progress is better,especially for projects like this Here are some recent articles that appeared in Nigeria Newspapers Eko Atlantic's financial centre information MOU underway(From the guardian newspapers May 2010) Plans to actualize the multi billion naira most ambitious mixed use development scheme in Lagos, on the Bar Beach corridor may gather momentum in few days time when the information Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for the financial centre would be released to investors. The financial centre MOU, which draft is undergoing amendments by the project promoters and city planners, Messrs South Energyx Nigeria Limited, comes as part of the Eko Atlantic City, expected to trigger off huge interest among the investing public as it will document commitments by the developers and investors, including cost of investment into the financial district. The project is spread across seven districts comprising residential, commercial, and financial and tourism developments. Under the scheme, each of the proposed seven districts of the city would display its own unique characteristics, but the infrastructure design will be standardized across the city. The proposed districts are Ocean Front, Harbour Lights, Financial District, Eko Drive, Downtown, Marina and Avenues. Schools and medical facilities and spaces for fun, arts, culture and recreation will also serve the area. The financial district has a unique adventurous design concept, comprising towering structures of architectural excellence, which will be clearly visible from Lagos city centre and Victoria Island, as well as passing ships in the Atlantic Ocean. Expected to be a beehive of activities for the financial sector, it will focus on the cutting-edge of business and finance; the district will also offer the opportunity to develop commercial and residential activity. Senior officials of the company confirmed that several investors have made enquiry while others have indicated interest on the financial area and are awaiting the information MOU to seal deals with the firm. "This district is located where the coastal highway meets the river, benefiting from specially integrated fast access routes into a new financial hub for Lagos. This metropolitan style high-rise area will also include restaurants, bars and cafes. On higher levels, especially penthouses, apartments can expect to have unrivalled panoramic views of the entire city of Lagos and the Atlantic shoreline. Parking decks will be connected over the main road by footbridges creating multi-dimensional urban activity several floors above street level." Designed by a renowned firm of consultants, architects and engineers from the Netherlands, Messrs Royal Haskoning, has generated the urban design while a special advisory team is working with the developers and investors to oversee standards. Funding for the project is coming from private equity and loans from financial institutions, led by First Bank, FCMB and GT Bank. The company's Marketing and Communication, Mr. Thomas Bridi disclosed that most of the banks have indicated interest on the centre. He said that the MOU will raise more awareness on the scheme and the main project will commence first quarter of next year. Bridi added that the sandfilling and sea wall construction is on course while the entire project has achieved about eight percent. A total of 140 million tons or 95 million cubic metres sand will be reclaimed. Modeled after the skyscraper district of Manhattan Island in New York City, it is expected that the new city will be home to no fewer than 250,000 residents, with commuter volume expected to exceed 150,000 people daily. The scope, even from its early stages, is breathtaking as the reclaimed land is immediately complemented with independent infrastructure. Ultimately, with nine kilometres of waterfront along the Atlantic Ocean and harbour channel, six kilometers of coastal highway and 20 kilometres of internal waterways, the city, according to the developers, would offer major investment options for water front development. "Eko Atlantic will raise the standards of infrastructure in Lagos to sophisticated levels through a finely-structured urban plan that creates a balanced, environmentally friendly and efficient blueprint for a comfortable, healthy, safe and efficient style of life," top officials of the company said at the weekend. Construction of the marine works will be completed in six years, with three distinct building phases spread over three two-year phases. Work on the first phase includes the ongoing sand-filling stage. The developers initiated the marine works to reclaim the nine square kilometers project area Eko Atlantic City in 2008. An earlier round in the battle to protect the Lagos coastline was won three years ago with the construction of a sea wall along Bar Beach, to prevent a potential flooding disaster that threatened Victoria Island. More than one kilometer length of length of sand filling has been established and targets are to retrieve at least two million cubic metres of sand by the end of the year. That is about one-third of the current size of Victoria Island, standing on six million square metres. The entire project will be nine million square metres. "We project to have the sand-filling in place by 2015. On the civil engineering side, we plan to construct first road into the site by April because we want to achieve access to the sea mole and boundary to the project. We started the sea mole in June 2009 and already we are close to completing one kilometre of the sea mole, which protects the sand filling being put in place," a senior official said. |
| Re: The New Lagos by PapaBrowne(m): 1:42am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: Why would you assume that everything has to be on the internet I can't provide links to data that isn't available on the net! |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 1:43am On Jun 26, 2010 |
But all you did there was copy and paste the exact same data most of us are already privy to. Are you serious? @Paddly_Lo You are having a debate on funding and what you do is post that as lots of info on this project?  PapaBrowne: Classic copout!!! I remember you offering up the same when you made similar claim on LTZ which turned out to be dead wrong. Come on dude. . . try again! It is OK to say "I don't know but I hope what I think is the case", rather than going around PRETENDING and PUFFING to have it all figured out in an area you clearly show you have limited knowledge of . |
| Re: The New Lagos by PapaBrowne(m): 1:49am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: Naahh Kobojunkie. My associating you with socialism isn't because of this discussion. It is a result of your contributions over time on Nairaland. You have a Socialist disposition and there is nothing wrong with that. It's Ok to be anti-capitalist. Socialism in the context I mean it is not bad in anyway. You want hospitals, schools, public toilets and the like. That's fine. |
| Re: The New Lagos by paddylo1(m): 1:53am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Oh yeah!!! Videos are equaivalent to all the relevant data one needs on progress on projects. WOW !!! I wonder why people still buy newspapers, or read them online, and even download signed documents to get detailed information on any issue. I guess stakeholders ought to be content with videos as updates.@Kobo This project is no joke,its serious business. . . For ppl like me in the USA,i prefer to see the sandfilling progress,cause that is the hardest and most technical part of the project As for the Financial center,i believe from the article i posted above,construction on it is to start early next yr,and major banks in Nigeria are already getting interested in the project Here is another article that mentions EKO ATLANTIC Working against the clock at the Harbour Moles Rehabilitation Project in Lagos Client name: Nigeria Ports Authority (NPA) Year: 2010 Client type: International Government Location: Lagos, Nigeria Expertise: River & Coastal Management The Port of Lagos is Nigeria's leading port and one of the largest and busiest in Africa. Its main access channel is protected by three breakwaters, known as ‘harbour moles’, which were constructed about a hundred years ago. As early as 2001 Royal Haskoning UK delivered designs for the much needed reconstruction of these moles, but the Nigerian Ports Authority (NPA) postponed implementation of the works until 2008-2009. As bathymetric conditions and reconstruction requirements have changed since 2001, NPA has recently contracted Royal Haskoning again to review and optimize the design. [b]One key change since 2001 is the start of land reclamation activities for Eko Atlantic City, the new ‘Manhattan’ of Lagos – an ambitious project that Royal Haskoning is also closely involved in. The new 8 km2 city is to be constructed on reclaimed land immediately adjacent to the East Mole. As a result, this mole will become part of the new city’s revetment. According to project manager Claartje Hoyng of Coastal & Rivers Rotterdam, it is very exciting to work at the interface between the mole rehabilitation and Eko City projects. “It means that our design has to bring together various objectives, and that we have to work against the clock.” Every day, tons of rocks are being trucked down the 2 km mole for the construction of the new city’s Atlantic sea wall. As a revetment, the East Mole will have to be integrated into this new defence structure. And when Eko City nears completion, two sluices will be built into the mole, for recreational boating. “These will add a Dutch touch to it,” says Claartje.[/b] Much more exposed than the East Mole, the West Mole requires thorough reconstruction, not only of the head (as the 2001 design was focused on) but also of the trunk. Since 2001, more than 6m of sand accreted on the west side of this mole. The greatest challenges here are to optimize the design while reconstruction is already on-going, and to deal with the long-swell wave conditions. Claartje: “The Chinese contractor wanted the construction drawings yesterday, and obviously does not like downtime, so the pressure is on.” The contractor is using different armour units for the top layer than was envisioned in the 2001 design (accropodes instead of corelocs), and the structural performance of these units has yet to be fully assessed. Furthermore, the design team considers using concrete 12t cubes rather than 5.8t accropode units at the outer end of the mole, to better ensure stability in heavy long-swell wave conditions. In February 2010, various 2D tests with these units were conducted at the Danish Hydraulic Institute (DHI). The best set up, with the most stable profile for the outer end of mole, will be tested in 3D, also at DHI, next April. The design has to be completed by June 2010. http://www.royalhaskoning.co.uk/en-gb/projects/Pages/Habour.aspx |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 1:56am On Jun 26, 2010 |
PapaBrowne:If I had a penny for each ridiculous conclusions made by some of me on here, I should be stinkingly rich by now. On the one, I was accused of being a conservative/republican by the views I have expressed on Nairaland. Then someone else accused me of being anti-democracy by the same views I have continued to express on Nairaland. I have also been accused of being too deluded by my democractic views by yet another person on this same nairaland citing again my contributions on nairaland as reason for such conclusion. I have also been accused by some of being a Marxist, a communist, and now another is accusing me of being socialist, basing it on, yes the same contributions on nairaland. You know what I say to you and all? I say you focus on putting forth a stronger argument for whatever point you are trying to make rather than trying to stray from the main to focus on the mundane and the ridiculous of endeavours, trying to figure out where I stand without asking me. |
| Re: The New Lagos by boombell: 1:57am On Jun 26, 2010 |
@onlytruth, u claim to be an American and you are arguing what does not belong to your fatherland,please do keep quite,this issue is for NIgerians and interested companies,f your company is not ready to invest keep your money to yourself and your country,abi na by force.Let better Nigerians deliberate on issue that concern us. |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 1:59am On Jun 26, 2010 |
paddy_lo: Good for you!! But not everyone is like you and SHINY things does not do it for everyone. There are actually people out there who prefer real details on what exactly is going in and what is coming out. @Onlytruth asked you some questions on this and expressed his concerns on how he is unable to access for detailed data on this project . . similar issue expressed on other projects. He even told you he has sent emails and called but has not received updates but all you have to offer him are conjectures and how VIDEOS of SANDFILLS do it all for you? Are you kidding us? |
| Re: The New Lagos by paddylo1(m): 2:05am On Jun 26, 2010 |
But all you did there was copy and paste the exact same data most of us are already privy to. Are you serious? @Paddly_Lo No it cannot be the exact data u are privy to cause there are lots of new info in that article 1)It tells u the Financial centre MOU draft is on the way 2)It tells u investors are interested in the Financial district and are making enquiries 3)It tells u that the entire project is 8% completed as of May 2010 4)It tells u that More than one kilometer length of sand filling has been established and targets are to retrieve at least two million cubic metres of sand by the end of the year. 5)And tells u they have completed one kilometer of sea mole. , . . Am sure all of the above was not the case in 2009. . . . As for funding,what exactly do u want to know? They told u Nigerian banks and Capital from private equity are funding the project and Papabrowne has told u that a plot is close to $3million |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 2:14am On Jun 26, 2010 |
paddy_lo: uuummmm . . . . you mean that is not article from Guardian which one can google. Now, all the information you claim you tell me there, I have question for you on. Did you I ask you for that? Is that what anyone so far as actually asked for? Or is that again just you dispensing more useless information? Is that what @Onlytruth asked for? paddy_lo:You hit the funding question but never answered the question. THEY told me Nigerians banks and capital from private equity is funding the project. Should I just accept that as it then? I remember THEY told us the very same on the LTZ project, only it turns out the government was greatly invested as well, but THEY conveniently skipped telling us that for a while. What has @Papabrownes assumption of a plot costing close to $3 million to do with answering the funding question by the way? |
| Re: The New Lagos by paddylo1(m): 2:16am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Good for you!! U dont seem to be really interested in details cause i have provided a lot of it here I do believe that in this era of SANUSI that First tier Nigerian banks like Firstbank,GTB and FCMB would not be funding something that was not tenable In other words the insinuations of only truth about fraud is laughable The area is prime real estate in Lagos and anyone that owns a plot of land in there has hit the jackpot literally so this project is a Goldmine for the developers. . .They dont need to defraud anybody, they will just sell the land to Rich Nigerians/banks/Multi nationals thats all |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 2:20am On Jun 26, 2010 |
paddy_lo: That is a lie! You have yet to provide details to answer the actual questions asked of you. All you have done, as many continue to on so many of these projects is provide us GOOGLE ACCESSABLE data assuming we, asking the questions, have not analyzed that, and still ended up with no answers to our main questions on this. WHat the majority of you continue to do when asked of projects such as this, is try to answer QUESTION A by providing arbitrary information that have nothing to do with QUESTION A, expecting we SHOULD accept it, no matter how dislocated it is, as answer to QUESTION A. paddy_lo:Again, with the dispensing of useless information. . . did I ask of this? Did anyone else ask? Are you assuming we do not already know this or something? |
| Re: The New Lagos by paddylo1(m): 2:25am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Or is that again just you dispensing more useless information? Is that what @Onlytruth asked for? i believe only truth asked for more than Finances,he also talked about,statistics,and so on You hit the funding question but never answered the question. THEY told me Nigerians banks and capital from private equity is funding the project. Should I just accept that as it then? what exactly do u want to know? cause u are not being clear here. . . If they told u the people funding the project,what exactly is the problem again?. .why wont u accept it,or did u pay money to somebody for a plot of land and didnt get it i dont understand your problem here. . U do understand what private equity means. .even in the USA they can be very secretive Its a private pool of capital that can come from anywhere in the world |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 2:31am On Jun 26, 2010 |
paddy_lo:So, what exactly has all you have provided so far done to answer that question of his? paddy_lo: OH!! OH MY GOSH!!! Now you admit you have NO CLUE what I want but you have taken it on yourself for over 10 posts now to INNUNDATE me with USELESS information though. I came in wondering why no one was answering the question asked @Onlytruth asked but quick to BOOT HIM DOWN, and BOOM . . . you and @Papabrowne took it on yourselves to then FEED me with CRAP as answer to Questions you now admit you have no clue of? Are you seriously going to lay this one on me still? ROFLMAO!! paddy_lo:For that I will send you to read what I posted on how it works in America since sjeezy asked. |
| Re: The New Lagos by PapaBrowne(m): 2:37am On Jun 26, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: You are just running from pillar to post. Come on, be matured. Can you state clearly the exact information you or Onlytruth would like to know Please be specific.Eg. I want to know how many plots of Land would be in the Eko Atlantic city: Answer: 1500 plots excluding the financial district. Please be as clear as this^^^. I will take the pains to answer you. |
| Re: The New Lagos by Kobojunkie: 2:40am On Jun 26, 2010 |
PapaBrowne: No, Go back to page 1, read his posts again, and then if you still do not understand, ask him questions, rather than rushing to INSULT him for having a different mind than yours or probably asking questions beyond your comprehension. That is what MATURED Human beings do. Which is not what you have done so far. Up to this point, you have filled the thread with utterly USELESS answers, information not applicable to any questions asked so far. . . if you do not see how that is bad on you, then I am sorry, I cannot help you. Like I said earlier, it is OK to say I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THIS OR THAT. Not come in and start INSULTING PEOPLE for no apparent reason, only to pages later, admit you have no idea what the case or question really was to start with. |
| Re: The New Lagos by paddylo1(m): 2:44am On Jun 26, 2010 |
So, what exactly has all you have provided so far done to answer that question of his? If all i have posted,in addition to the information in the website is not enough to satisfy him,then nothing else will Note that the website gives u all the data u need to know,with figures I have posted here,the current stats on the level of workdone,as of April 2010 OH!! OH MY GOSH!!! Now you admit you have NO CLUE what I want but you have taken it on yourself for over 10 posts now to INNUNDATE me with USELESS information though. I presume u want to know about how much the project will cost. . u have already been told it will cost $3.5billion for the sandfilling and civil works The GOVT is not funding this. . u have already been told the ppl funding it. . any more questions u need answered? |
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