In a free and civilised society you don't take people's stuff based on the colour of their skin. It was wrong when it took place under Apartheid, and it is wrong now. It appears South Africa is trying to repeat what happened in the past, only in reverse mode, making them no less racist than white apartheid and erasing at a stroke the legacy and struggle of Nelson Mandela, sharing the same proud legacy of racist apartheid.

Eighteen years ago, the leading party of Zimbabwe ZANUPF was threatened with election loss, and in order to shore up its support amongst its electorate, Robert Mugagbe decided to expropriate the white farmers of  Zimbabwe. What that led to, aside from the horrific violence so horrific the Nigeria carved out huge swathes of land in Kwara State and invited white Zimbabwean farmers to come farm, was a total economic collapse of the country on an apocalyptic scale. Half a century of economic growth and infrastructural development was wiped out in Zimbabwe as a result of this particular policy.

The country experienced hyper inflation such as the world has never seen. The government had to abandon its currency when a loaf of bread cost $10 million Zimbabwean dollars. The country's unemployment rate was %95. The worse the world has ever seen. Armed robbery increased, infant mortality increased, life expectancy plummeted, and perhaps most importantly, agricultural production collapsed. Hunger ensued.

Rhodesia went from a relatively wealthy country with some of Africa's best infrastructure and institutions, to a rundown desperately country that made Nigeria look like Sweden in comparison.

That the white men had a shameful history that will be forever etched in their past doesn't mean Africans have to follow suit. South Africa has taken xenophobia to a whole new level of self sabotage. The Nigerian government and the African Union has to denounce the policy. It is both immoral because it targets a specific group of people, and secondly it could be economically destructive.

It's like South Africa forgets it's not a resource rich country like Nigeria. %80 of government earnings comes from the service sectors and tourism, meaning external events or decisions taken can have adverse effect of the South African economy, same way a drop in oil prices affects the Nigerian economy.

If the new South African President , Cyril Ramaphosa, just months into his tenure changes the constitution and legalizes what is essentially theft of private property, it risked being kicked out of the Common Wealth and AGOA. It will take South Africa years to recover from the negative consequences that will ensue. This will be another Zimbabwe in the making.

Lol.

But these lands were stolen from blacks in the first place.

What the government want to do is return the lands to the owners.

Now while this is commendable, they can find ways to make this work for the economy and the original owners. As for those whose parents stole lands and they inherited it, what can be done to integrate them seeing as this mess isn't really their fault

Mynd44:
Lol.

But these lands were stolen from blacks in the first place.

What the government want to do is return the lands to the owners

You really think its that simple. You realize the Boars fought the British as far back as 1776.

SSGN:


You really think its that simple. You realize the Boars fought the British as far back as 1776.

The Boers, are not even of African origin!

SSGN:


You really think its that simple. You realize the Boars fought the British as far back as 1776.

It is not easy but why can be done?

ashjay001:



The Boers, are not even of African origin!

South Africa is vast....there were thousands of miles of uninhabited parts of Southern Africa. Theve been there hundreds of years before the American revolution. They are not recent migrants. And like i said they fought the British too, and together with the ZULUS WON. Its their land. Theve lived there for generations.

You're wrong on many levels since you dont know full history. Not every piece of land was by conquest alot of it was bought and they whites settled on empty land since they bore hole tech. Some were and besides the right of conquest was recognized in those days. Do the Zulu and other warring tribes plan on returing every meter of land?

The government already had a program in place to reclaim conquested land through court process. Most of the time the victim opts for cash settlement. There's no reason for taking land.

They can find solutions that is constuitional if they dont they will go way of Zimbabwe. The issue is more than black and white. If you want to be technical the only people truly native to that region are koi san people aka bushman.

Mynd44:
Lol.

But these lands were stolen from blacks in the first place.

What the government want to do is return the lands to the owners.

Now while this is commendable, they can find ways to make this work for the economy and the original owners. As for those whose parents stole lands and they inherited it, what can be done to integrate them seeing as this mess isn't really their fault

Blue3k:
You're wrong on many levels since you dont know full history. Not every piece of land was by conquest alot of it was bought and they whites settled on empty land since they bore hole tech. Some were and besides the right of conquest was recognized in those days. Do the Zulu and other warring tribes plan on returing ever meter of land?

The government already had a program in place to reclaim conquested land through court process. Most of the time the victim opts for cash settlement. There's no reason for taking land.

They can find solutions that is constuitional if they dont they will go way of Zimbabwe. The issue is more than black and white. If you want to be technical the only people truly native to that region are koi san people aka bushman.

Wow..thanks for that insightful comment. I couldn't have said it better,

Xx

ashjay001:



The Boers, are not even of African origin!

Do u realise the implied gravity of u r statement ?

What if other countries start sending back or discriminating Africans becz they r not indigenous to the respective countries even after hundreds of years of living in the same country.

Will it be justified ?

SSGN:
In a free and civilised society you don't take people's stuff based on the colour of their skin. It was wrong when it took place under Apartheid, and it is wrong now. It appears South Africa is trying to repeat what happened in the past, only in reverse mode, making them no less racist than white apartheid and erasing at a stroke the legacy and struggle of Nelson Mandela, sharing the same proud legacy of racist apartheid.

Eighteen years ago, the leading party of Zimbabwe ZANUPF was threatened with election loss, and in order to shore up its support amongst its electorate, Robert Mugagbe decided to expropriate the white farmers of  Zimbabwe. What that led to, aside from the horrific violence so horrific the Nigeria carved out huge swathes of land in Kwara State and invited white Zimbabwean farmers to come farm, was a total economic collapse of the country on an apocalyptic scale. Half a century of economic growth and infrastructural development was wiped out in Zimbabwe as a result of this particular policy.

The country experienced hyper inflation such as the world has never seen. The government had to abandon its currency when a loaf of bread cost $10 million Zimbabwean dollars. The country's unemployment rate was %95. The worse the world has ever seen. Armed robbery increased, infant mortality increased, life expectancy plummeted, and perhaps most importantly, agricultural production collapsed. Hunger ensued.

Rhodesia went from a relatively wealthy country with some of Africa's best infrastructure and institutions, to a rundown desperately country that made Nigeria look like Sweden in comparison.

That the white men had a shameful history that will be forever etched in their past doesn't mean Africans have to follow suit. South Africa has taken xenophobia to a whole new level of self sabotage. The Nigerian government and the African Union has to denounce the policy. It is both immoral because it targets a specific group of people, and secondly it could be economically destructive.

It's like South Africa forgets it's not a resource rich country like Nigeria. %80 of government earnings comes from the service sectors and tourism, meaning external events or decisions taken can have adverse effect of the South African economy, same way a drop in oil prices affects the Nigerian economy.

If the new South African President , Cyril Ramaphosa, just months into his tenure changes the constitution and legalizes what is essentially theft of private property, it risked being kicked out of the Common Wealth and AGOA. It will take South Africa years to recover from the negative consequences that will ensue. This will be another Zimbabwe in the making.

Rather keep quiet if you do not know what you are talking about, or rather stop believing fake news on Twitter. South Africa's land reform program is not the same as Zimbabwe's.

You need to live in South Africa to understand it, not try pretend you know something based on Twitter.

Example....there are many high rise buildings in Johannesburg CBD whose owners last set foot in SA 30 years ago. The municipality cannot legally use those buildings as low cost housing or student accommodation, because the courts will first ask....what does the owner say? These are high rise slums, we've all heard about Hillbrow and Yeoville. We must first pay an owner in Belgium for a building he stopped maintaining 30 years ago?

Some land is simply being hoarded for future investments 50 years from now. From the province I come from there are some farmers with tracks of land the size you cannot believe. It will blow your mind. Some of that land doesn't even know what a tractor is, because it's not productive land. It's land for the sake of having land. The government has repeatedly said productive farms will not be targeted, as was the case in Zimbabwe.

But you've fallen for the trap of believing some fake news from right-wingers who can't even point out SA on a map.

Right Wing you say? Well are entitled to keep deluding yourself even when the stark truth is right in front of you if it makes you feel better. South Africa was once the jewel of Africa, a well organized country, it had the largest middle class and there was relative harmony. Your wellfare ideology that has been ingrained into your DNA has clouded your sense of reasoning. Just like Zimbabweans. The situation is so bad that RUSSIA...of all places, RUSSIA and Australia have offered unconditional migration for displaced White South Africans as they flee in droves. South Africans have to be the laziest bunch on people. You accuse Africans of stealing your jobs, your women, doing drugs and go on a killing spree against ''those stealing jobs''. Youve extended to White South Africans. They are responsible for taking away all the jobs and economic opportunities. Your ''state wellfare'' ideology is the root of your problems, not land owners or migrants. Get off your ass and create opportunities, be entrepreneurial. At the rate at which SA is heading the tense social enviroment and lack of productivity will lead it to become another Zimbabwe in no time.

SSGN:
Right Wing you say? Well are entitled to keep deluding yourself even when the stark truth is right in front of you if it makes you feel better. South Africa was once the jewel of Africa, a well organized country, it had the largest middle class and there was relative harmony. Your wellfare ideology that has been ingrained into your DNA has clouded your sense of reasoning. Just like Zimbabweans. The situation is so bad that RUSSIA...of all places, RUSSIA and Australia have offered unconditional migration for displaced White South Africans as they flee in droves. South Africans have to be the laziest bunch on people. You accuse Africans of stealing your jobs, your women, doing drugs and go on a killing spree against ''those stealing jobs''. Youve extended to White South Africans. They are responsible for taking away all the jobs and economic opportunities. Your ''state wellfare'' ideology is the root of your problems, not land owners or migrants. Get off your ass and create opportunities, be entrepreneurial. At the rate at which SA is heading the tense social enviroment and lack of productivity will lead it to become another Zimbabwe in no time.

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT..... It's just that simple. I am telling you that you are merely quoting news from fake websites, and you just keep blindly vomiting it here.

I saw that Russia story. Whoever made it up didn't bother to research how many farmers SA has. "15 000 SA farmers start leaving for Russia" . More than half of our farmers...so in fact we are already a Zimbabwe, and starving.

And how many of South Africa's 4.5 million white people applied for that special Australian Visa proposed by that crazy Australian minister? Out of the 4.5 million whites being persecuted by us blacks, murdering them, carrying out a genocide on them.... only 213

South Africa has many social problems no doubt, as does your country.... wherever that may be. I'm opposed to many state sponsored initiatives and encourage people to be entrepreneurial.

The only reason I commented here is to rebuff that "like Zimbabwe* nonsense. Our land reform process is not the same, we are not kicking productive farmers out of anywhere, we are not kicking people out of their homes.

nemesis8u:


Do u realise the implied gravity of u r statement ?
Hi
What if other countries start sending back or discriminating Africans becz they r not indigenous to the respective countries even after hundreds of years of living in the same country.

Will it be justified ?

Bros, epp urself n google "boer"


Hint: they're not Africans

SSGN:


South Africa is vast....there were thousands of miles of uninhabited parts of Southern Africa. Theve been there hundreds of years before the American revolution. They are not recent migrants. And like i said they fought the British too, and together with the ZULUS WON. Its their land. Theve lived there for generations.

They too, were/are racists!

SSGN:


You really think its that simple. You realize the Boars fought the British as far back as 1776.

Its nice to read that a Nigerian wants to tell us about our history written by a colonialists who wants to push a particular narrative very funny dude.

The propaganda has reached your ***Ass* I see

My heart weep from the OP submission...!!
This is simply a write up from a subjugated being and only in Africa would you see such kind of being...!!

How on earth would we be afraid of taking back what is ours simply for the fear of been trampled by the slave masters...? it shows many Africans enjoy been slave..!!

So pathetic is the example of Zimbabwe...yes they the colonialist conspired and mess up their economy but today Zimbabwe is still standing....!!!

When a child is afraid to take the first step to walk cos of fear of falling that child would never walk..!! Enough is enough the op should apologize for insulting our collected reasoning and fight to liberate ourselve from the burden of the colonialist...!!

This write up coming from an African is shamefull...!!!
Peace...!!!

Blue3k:
You're wrong on many levels since you dont know full history. Not every piece of land was by conquest alot of it was bought and they whites settled on empty land since they bore hole tech. Some were and besides the right of conquest was recognized in those days. Do the Zulu and other warring tribes plan on returing every meter of land?

The government already had a program in place to reclaim conquested land through court process. Most of the time the victim opts for cash settlement. There's no reason for taking land.

They can find solutions that is constuitional if they dont they will go way of Zimbabwe. The issue is more than black and white. If you want to be technical the only people truly native to that region are koi san people aka bushman.

mynd44

In addition to all written, the primary reason why government wants to seize land without compensation, though wrong is actually political.

It is vote winner with the blacks.

The ANC has lost a lot of support from its blackbone, the black population and one of the easiest ways to get their votes is the seizure.

South Africa I'm sure can afford to pay for the land but will win it no friends with their black supporters.

Remember that we humans are emotional animals and not rational ones. This policy will do next to nothing for blacks except make them happy which could have been done with a bottle of Castle beer. These are pep pill or feel happy policies that achieve nothing concrete for the mass of unemployed and poor blacks.

Policies needed now are the liberalisation of the rigid labour market which has discouraged companies from hiring and is the primary reason why unemployment is so high.

Government will have to undertake a massive privatisation policy which will provide funds that can be funnelled to the education sector and housing.

Huge sums needs to be spent on education especially university education in order to create more space for blacks. Uni education is the most assured route to the middle class. The quality of spending needs to greatly improve as well. Government is simply paying teachers salaries and not educating the students. No private school would survive under such a model

Also, Agriculture plays a very small role in the economy so won't have much effect.

Bethor:
My heart weep from the OP submission...!!
This is simply a write up from a subjugated being and only in Africa would you see such kind of being...!!

How on earth would we be afraid of taking back what is ours simply for the fear of been trampled by the slave masters...? it shows many Africans enjoy been slave..!!

So pathetic is the example of Zimbabwe...yes they the colonialist conspired and mess up their economy but today Zimbabwe is still standing....!!!

When a child is afraid to take the first step to walk cos of fear of falling that child would never walk..!! Enough is enough the op should apologize for insulting our collected reasoning and fight to liberate ourselve from the burden of the colonialist...!!

This write up coming from an African is shamefull...!!!
Peace...!!!

how did the colonialist mess up their economy? I'm sure you have no reasonable answer

MIKOLOWISKA:
how did the colonialist mess up their economy? I'm sure you have no reasonable answer

I hope you know what sanction means and
it devastating effect especially on a third world country...
I leave the rest to you to go and research..!!
Peace..!!

Bethor:


I hope you know what sanction means and
it devastating effect especially on a third world country...
I leave the rest to you to go and research..!!
Peace..!!

it's only devastating when you're lazy

MIKOLOWISKA:
it's only devastating when you're lazy

I hope you read in my comment where I wrote that Zimbabwe is still standing despite all the conspiracy and plot to bring them down by the imperialist...?

Bro..like I comment earlier..no giving in to any colonialist or imperialist simply because of fear that they would want to use their power to blackmail we Africans..simple..!!

Peace..!!!

Bethor:


I hope you read in my comment where I wrote that Zimbabwe is still standing despite all the conspiracy and plot to bring them down by the imperialist...?

Bro..like I comment earlier..no giving in to any colonialist or imperialist simply because of fear that they would want to use their power to blackmail we Africans..simple..!!

Peace..!!!

Zimbabwe still standing with %95 inflation? You gotta be kidding me. You can print money all you want it doesnt turn the needle. If printing money had value zimbabwe will be the richest country on earth. Us Africans like to live in self denial. Say what you want, an African country with a relatively thriving white population comes with its advantages. The era of government sponsored racism and colonialism is over. The more you force whites to flee, its a capital and investment flight no black nation is yet to replicate. Forcibly seizing land from White South Africans to pander to the sentiments of the people is the dumbest thing thing South Africa can do. If such laws are enacted, violence will ensues.. on its own SA citizens have the most arms per capita than any other nation in Africa. The whites will flee with their investments and know how... what next after that? a Utopia? Will industries and commerce start springing up on thoselands? with a reltively ocile and lazy populace how will SA plug the industrial gap? By killing more entrepreneurial Africans that add to the value of your economy?

SSGN:


Zimbabwe still standing with %95 inflation? You gotta be kidding me. You can print money all you want it doesnt turn the needle. If printing money had value zimbabwe will be the richest country on earth. Us Africans like to live in self denial. Say what you want, an African country with a relatively thriving white population comes with its advantages. The era of government sponsored racism and colonialism is over. The more you force whites to flee, its a capital and investment flight no black nation is yet to replicate. Forcibly seizing land from White South Africans to pander to the sentiments of the people is the dumbest thing thing South Africa can do. If such laws are enacted, violence will ensues.. on its own SA citizens have the most arms per capita than any other nation in Africa. The whites will flee with their investments and know how... what next after that? a Utopia? Will industries and commerce start springing up on thoselands? with a reltively ocile and lazy populace how will SA plug the industrial gap? By killing more entrepreneurial Africans that add to the value of your economy?

Haha haha i wonder why you have so much passion for south african and Ghananian issues , when our own country is shityier and needs your kind of passion . I believe South Africa is handling their land issue more maturely than most , bringing everyone to the table Is the best option for all and the public engagements have been peaceful and productive , let's give them space and watch what resolution they will come up with. On the other hand, we have Fulani herdsmen, drug dealers, kidnappers , fake pastors brainwashing the populace , ritual killings and many other problems we should be focussing on instead of carrying other nations issues on our heads . Get your pvc ready and leave foreigners alone .

Bethor:


I hope you read in my comment where I wrote that Zimbabwe is still standing despite all the conspiracy and plot to bring them down by the imperialist...?

Bro..like I comment earlier..no giving in to any colonialist or imperialist simply because of fear that they would want to use their power to blackmail we Africans..simple..!!

Peace..!!!

You call a nation that cant feed itself standing ?
Oh you poor poor romantic

Bethor:


I hope you know what sanction means and
it devastating effect especially on a third world country...
I leave the rest to you to go and research..!!
Peace..!!

You can only be sanctioned when you have notging to offer in return

MIKOLOWISKA:
You can only be sanctioned when you have notging to offer in return

So, Iran,Venezuela, Russia and all under the western sanction have nothing to offer right..? Well try..!!

Peace..!!!

Bethor:


So, Iran,Venezuela, Russia and all under the western sanction have nothing to offer right..? Well try..!!

Peace..!!!

Iran and Russia sanctions not effective if you were able to read and comprehend

Venezuela in shambles

MIKOLOWISKA:
Iran and Russia sanctions not effective if you were able to read and comprehend

Venezuela in shambles

Like I comment earlier...well try..not effective and they've got nothing to offer..!!
You constantly changing the narrative..!!

Stick to what you think you know and let it end instead of going in circle...!!
Peace..!!

Bethor:


Like I comment earlier...well try..not effective and they've got nothing to offer..!!
You constantly changing the narrative..!!

Stick to what you think you know and let it end instead of going in circle...!!
Peace..!!

learn how to read and comprehend

MIKOLOWISKA:
learn how to read and comprehend

Oga, like my last comment, let the matter rest you have tried your best...

Go back and read all your comments/response and sit down and reflect on the meaning of "learning how to read and comprehend"..!!

Peace..!!!

Bethor:


Oga, like my last comment, let the matter rest you have tried your best...

Go back and read all your comments/response and sit down and reflect on the meaning of "learning how to read and comprehend"..!!

Peace..!!!

you don taya?
Oponu

Greedy Boers and British created all this mess in the first place when they started slaughtering Black people and taking rich lands by force.
How can someone plunder people's lands then later complain when they claim their property ?