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See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by Abdulgaffar22: 6:10am On Aug 31, 2018
On the authority of Holy Qur'an;
1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet of God (Qur'an 19:30).
2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth (Qur'an 21:91)
3. Muslims believe in all the miracles Jesus performed during his earthly ministry (Qur'an 5:110)
4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven (Qur'an 4:158)
5. Muslims believe in Jesus 2nd coming toward the end of the world.(Qur'an 43:57-61)
However, on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, this is what the Qur'an says;

That they ( i:e the Jews) said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they KILL HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not (Qur'an 4:157)".
But is it really true that those who reported the events of the crucifixion are full of doubts with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE?
Let us consider the following questions
Question 1; When was Jesus exactly crucified ?
-It was at the THIRD HOUR (Mark 15:25 KJV ).
- It was after the SIXTH HOUR (John 19:14-16 KJV)
Question 2; What was the actual colour of the robe given to Jesus when the soldiers were mocking him ?
-It was purple (John 19:2)
-It was scarlet (Matthew 27:28)
Question 3; How did detachment of the troops recognized Jesus before they arrested him ?
- It was through the kissing of Jesus by Judas (Matthew 26:48-49)
-It was Jesus that went out and presented himself to them (John 18:4-9).
Question 4; Who carried the cross of crucifixion to Golgotha ?
-It was Simon of Cyrene (Matthew 27:32 )
- It was Jesus himself (John 19:17)
Question 5; What was the ACTUAL WORD FOR WORD inscription fastened to the Jesus’ Cross ?
-The inscription was : “THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Mark 15:26)
- The inscription was : “THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Matthew 27:37).
- The inscription was : “JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.” ( John 19:19)
These are just only five out of many contradictions abound on the record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion.
Have you now seen the truth in this verse of Qur'an
"and those who differ therein ( i:e on the issue of Jesus crucifixion) are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow ( Qur'an 4:157)".
The disciples of Jesus were NOT THE EYE-WITNESSES to the actual happenings of the crucifixion, as declare by the gospel of Mark, "THEY ALL FORSOOK HIM AND FLED( Mark 14:50)". Hence, all the knowledge of the disciples regarding their Master and his alleged crucifixion was from HEARSAY.
Even, if Qur'an did not inform us that Jesus escaped the crucifixion, we can still use the six powerful biblical points explained below to arrive at this very truth;

1. Jesus prayed to God in the garden of Gethsemane in THREE DIFFERENT CONSECUTIVES TIMES asking for the "cup (i:e the crucifixion)" to be taken away from him;
My Father, if it is possible, MAY THIS CUP BE TAKEN AWAY FROM ME. Yet not as I will, but as you will" (see Matthew 26:36-44)".
Therefore, if God already knew that He would not answer this Jesus' prayer as the Christians use to proclaim, then God must have kept the tongue of Jesus from using the phrase "IF IT IS POSSIBLE" because everything that is reasonable is possible for God. And it is reasonable for God to save Jesus Christ from being crucified by his enemy.
Since God deliberately allowed Jesus to use the Phrase "IF IT IS POSSIBLE" in his prayer for the crucifixion to be taken away from him, then God must have answered Jesus prayer and then he must have escaped the crucifixion because everything that is reasonable is possible for God.
Why would God not answer his prayer when the soul of Jesus was EXCEEDINGLY SORROWFUL EVEN UNTO DEATH (Matthew 26:38) and prayed so earnestly to the extent that his SWEAT WAS LIKE DROPS OF BLOOD falling down to the ground (Luke 22:44). Remember, the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man ( let alone a righteous and beloved prophet of God like Jesus) avails much (James 5:16). Therefore, Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion due to his effectual fervent prayer to God.

However, according to the Christian scholars, God still allowed Jesus to be crucified by his enemy DESPITE ALL HIS BLOOD-SWEATING PRAYER because there is NO OTHER WAY for God to save the children of Adam from eternal damnation except through Jesus crucifixion.
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY for omnipotent and omniscient God ? Does this submission make any sense to you? What about the Old Testament believers like Abraham, Moses and the likes that lived and died before Jesus arrival ?
These Old Testament believers did not have an opportunity of even hearing the name "Jesus" talkless of believing in his alleged crucifixion! Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God (because there is no any biblical verse that says these Old Testament believers were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion).
2. Anyone that is hanged or crucified is accursed by God:
"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, BEING MADE A CURSE for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE that is hanged on a tree (Galatians 3:13)". See also Deuteronomy 21:23.
Here we clearly read in the Bible that Jesus would be an accursed person if truly he died on the cross. Yet it is totally against the divine principle for God to put His innocent, righteous and beloved son under His curse for any reason whatsoever.
Matthew 25:41says; "Then he(Jesus) will also say to those on the LEFT HAND, Depart from me, you CURSED, into the everlasting fire, prepared for the DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS".
As you can see from the verse above: It is only those on the LEFT HAND who belong to the group of the "DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS " that are usually under the CURSE of God. It is impossible for an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God like Jesus to be under the SAME CURSE with the devil and his angels because he never did anything wrong or anything against the will of his Father. Therefore, Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion in order not to become an "accursed son of God" or "accursed prophet" or "accursed messiah".
3. Jesus was not sent to the entire world to die for our sins. He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24).
If Jesus was really sent to the entire world to die for both the Israelites and the Gentiles, then why did he have to tell that Canaanite woman that he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:21-24) ? Even if it was according to the divine plan that Jesus and his apostles would first minister to the Israelites BEFORE the Gentiles, then Jesus' statement directed to that woman should have been: "IT IS NOT YET TIME FOR THE GENTILES" or something similar in meaning rather than “I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”. Why did Jesus have to say he was sent only to the Israelites if he was truly sent to the entire world to die on the cross for our sins ? This single fact alone is enough to prove that Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion since he was not sent to the entire world but ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.

4. The sins of the sinners CANNOT be laid upon the righteous;
The soul that sinned, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL BE UPON HIM AND THE WICKEDNESS OF THE WICKED SHALL BE UPON HIM" (Ezekiel 18:20). Remember, this verse completely NULLIFY the main christian ideology which says : "the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon the righteous (i:e all the sin of sinners shall be laid upon Jesus Christ-2 Corinthians 5:21, 1Peter 2:24, Hebrew 9:28)".
One important question need to be answered;
If the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him (as the verse above declare) and NOT upon the righteous (as the Christians use to claim), then how can the wicked be saved and not die as a result of his wickedness ?
Again, the book of Ezekiel answer this question;
"Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people… if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then TURN FROM THEIR SINS and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil--THAT PERSON WILL SURELY LIVE :THEY WILL NOT DIE. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them.They have done what is just and right; they will surely live (Ezekiel 33:10-16)".
Have you now seen that there is no need for the righteous to bear the sins of the sinners before the sinners can be saved and lived. The sinners can simply atone for their sins by REPENTANCE.
Jesus confirmed this truth when he said; I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE (Luke 5:32).

5. The death of Jesus on the cross is NOT neccessary; Old testament believers were able to gain salvation without Jesus crucifixion.
God can decide to forgive our sins and earn our salvation through SINCERE REPENTANCE (see Ezekiel 33:10-16 quoted above) coupled with ANNUAL ANIMAL SACRIFICE ;
"He is to lay both hands on the head of the live GOAT and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—ALL THEIR SINS—and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the GOAT away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. The GOAT will carry on itself ALL THEIR SINS to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness....... .. Then, before the Lord, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS (Leviticus 16:21-30)"
Here we read in the last verse ; “Then before the LORD, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS” (Leviticus 16:30). Yet the new Testament proclaimed that; " It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to TAKE AWAY SINS (Hebrew 10:4)". This is a flat contradiction. Is there any difference between "CLEAN FROM ALL SINS" and "TAKE AWAY SINS" ?
The only way to resolve this contradiction is when we assume that the phrase "TAKE AWAY SINS" in Hebrews 10:4 implies "complete removal of humanity sinful nature" and NOT refering to "cleanliness from already committed sins". However, complete removal of humanity sinful nature is impossible as NOBODY can be completely FREE from committing sins (see 1 John1:8-10).
Therefore, Hebrew 10:4 is a great lie deliberately fabricated by Paul to weaken the atonement of sins through animal sacrifice and then justify atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion.
Therefore, if the main purpose of Jesus crucifixion is to achieve forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins, then the death of Jesus on the cross IS NOT NECCESSARY; IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY as claimed by the Christian scholars. God can decide to forgive our sins through sincere repentance or through animal sacrifice as He has done with the Old testament believers that lived and died before Jesus arrival.
Some Christians might want to argue that Jesus crucifixion make us entitle to many spiritual benefits that GO BEYOND forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins. But no matter how numerous the spiritual benefits that can be derived from Jesus crucifixion, there is no way for such benefits to be ACTUALIZED in the life of the Old Testament believers (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because they have lived and died before Jesus arrival talkless of his supposed crucifixion. Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God (because there is no any biblical verse that says these Old Testament believers were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion). So if these old testament believers, who happened to be among the children of Adam, were able to gain their salvation without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative way also for the other children of Adam to gain their salvation WITHOUT Jesus crucifixion.

6. The act of crucifying one human being (Jesus ) to save the humanity from one problem or the other is nothing but human sacrifice. Yet God Almighty hates human sacrifice (see Deuteronomy 12:31 and Leviticus 18:21 ).
If, according to the Christians, God Almighty can carry out human sacrifice, then what is the difference between Christianity and traditional African religions which also support human sacrifice? Is there any difference between the two ? As Jesus was not willing to die (see the first reason above) so also the victims of the traditional African religions are not willing to die.
Paul declare as follows; "I do not frustrate the GRACE OF GOD for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is DEAD IN VAIN (Galatians 2:21)".
So according to Paul “human sacrifice” is the grace of God. Yet the same Christians, who agree that Paul is right in his claim, would continue to condemn traditional Africa religions for engaging in human sacrifice. Why the double standard since “human sacrifice” is “human sacrifice” ?

WAS JESUS REALLY CRUCIFIED ?
The Holy Quran replies and the choice is yours: “they KILL HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM ( Holy Quran 4:157)".
Now let us assume that Jesus crucifixion is true. Do you think Muslims are deserve to be condemned by God on the last day simply because they fail to believe in Jesus crucifixion despite all their five beliefs (cited at the begining) concerning Jesus christ? To answer this question, let suppose the following conversation take place between God Almighty and the muslims on the day of Judgement on the assumption that Jesus crucifixion is true
God: O you muslims why did you refuse to believe in Jesus crucifixion ?
Muslims : O Lord our God and creator, Qur'an make us to believe in Jesus as Your mighty prophet who was born miraculously by virgin Mary. Qur'an also make us to believe in all the miracles that Jesus performed during his earthly ministry. Furthermore, Qur'an make us to believe in Jesus'ascension to heaven and that he is coming back toward the end of the world. So it is also written in the same Qur'an that Jesus was not crucified.
God; Yes, your Qur'an is true regarding all those things it mentioned concerning Jesus. But why are you so sure that your Qur'an did not get it wrong on the issue of Jesus crucifixion ?
Muslims: O Lord our God and Creator, the reason why we believe that Qur'an is also true on the issue of Jesus crucifixion is because Bible also declare that anyone that is crucified is accursed by God (Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13) and it is is not possible for You as a God of love, mercy and justice to put your innocent, righteous and beloved prophet under Your curse. From the logical reasoning you gave to us as human being, we were able to deduce that only the devils and his followers are deserved to be under Your curse: NOT Your innocent, righteous and beloved prophet like Jesus christ, who never did anything against Your Will. You are naturally known to always BLESS Your innocent, righteous and beloved prophets and never to CURSE any one of them.
Please do you think God Almighty can still have an evidence against the Muslims concerning the issue of Jesus crucifixion base on this reasonable reply ?
Consequently, even if Jesus crucifixion is true, Muslims CANNOT BE CONDEMNED by God for not believing in it; they CANNOT BE PERISHED. Yet Paul wrote in his epistle:
"the message of the cross ( i:e Jesus crucifixion) is foolishness to those who are PERISHING (1st Corinthians 1:18)".
See how Paul got it wrong!
Jesus crucifixion is one of the FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS of the present day Christianity . You will notice that the symbol of "CROSS" used to represent Christianity stands for Jesus crucifixion. In otherwords, if there is no Jesus crucifixion, then there is no Christianity.
Hence, if the ONLY true faith from God is Christianity, then being one of the foundational pillars of Christianity, NOBODY MUST HAVE A STRONG AND REASONABLE EXCUSE for not believing in Jesus crucifixion . However, as we have shown above, Muslims have a strong and reasonable excuse for not believing in Jesus crucifixion. Therefore, the ONLY true faith from God is NOT Christianity. And if the ONLY true faith from God is not Christianity, then Christianity must be a FALSE faith.
Being a false faith, Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Christianity. Therefore, if the Christians really love Jesus Christ and they do not want to lose him completely, they must embrace Islam. This is because apart from Christianity, Islam is the only faith on earth that make believing in Jesus and all other biblical prophets as one of the basic and most fundamental article of its faith.
Please for the sake of God, if you disagree with me, then resolve the contradictions on the events of crucifixion cited above and respond to each of the SIX points without using àny abusive words.
Re: See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by segunkass(m): 6:51am On Aug 31, 2018
The Bible (If you observe carefully) was written to testify that Jesus Christ is the Son Of God/Lamb of God, Stop taking verses out of context in the bible to contradict The Truth .... Pls do read the summary of the passage before writing trash

The deceit you preach (Islam) rejects the personality of the Holy Spirit, I wonder how u claim you connect to God when the only one who can transmit your prayers to God is irrelevant to you

I wonder how someone (Muhammad) who never performed a miracle in his lifetime calls himself the last messanger/prophet of God, and u people believe in the trash he formed to gain followers?
By editing Jewish Torah and calling it Quran?

If Truly he was called by God to give the Quran to the world there must be a prove to testify that truly he was sent . Abi?

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Re: See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by folafola(m): 7:07am On Aug 31, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
On the authority of Holy Qur'an;
1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet of God (Qur'an 19:30).
2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth (Qur'an 21:91)
3. Muslims believe in all the miracles Jesus performed during his earthly ministry (Qur'an 5:110)
4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven (Qur'an 4:158)
5. Muslims believe in Jesus 2nd coming toward the end of the world.(Qur'an 43:57-61)
However, on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, this is what the Qur'an says;

That they ( i:e the Jews) said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they KILL HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not (Qur'an 4:157)".
But is it really true that those who reported the events of the crucifixion are full of doubts with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE?
Let us consider the following questions
Question 1; When was Jesus exactly crucified ?
-It was at the THIRD HOUR (Mark 15:25 KJV ).
- It was after the SIXTH HOUR (John 19:14-16 KJV)
Question 2; What was the actual colour of the robe given to Jesus when the soldiers were mocking him ?
-It was purple (John 19:2)
-It was scarlet (Matthew 27:28)
Question 3; How did detachment of the troops recognized Jesus before they arrested him ?
- It was through the kissing of Jesus by Judas (Matthew 26:48-49)
-It was Jesus that went out and presented himself to them (John 18:4-9).
Question 4; Who carried the cross of crucifixion to Golgotha ?
-It was Simon of Cyrene (Matthew 27:32 )
- It was Jesus himself (John 19:17)
Question 5; What was the ACTUAL WORD FOR WORD inscription fastened to the Jesus’ Cross ?
-The inscription was : “THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Mark 15:26)
- The inscription was : “THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Matthew 27:37).
- The inscription was : “JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.” ( John 19:19)
These are just only five out of many contradictions abound on the record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion.
Have you now seen the truth in this verse of Qur'an
"and those who differ therein ( i:e on the issue of Jesus crucifixion) are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow ( Qur'an 4:157)".
The disciples of Jesus were NOT THE EYE-WITNESSES to the actual happenings of the crucifixion, as declare by the gospel of Mark, "THEY ALL FORSOOK HIM AND FLED( Mark 14:50)". Hence, all the knowledge of the disciples regarding their Master and his alleged crucifixion was from HEARSAY.
Even, if Qur'an did not inform us that Jesus escaped the crucifixion, we can still use the six powerful biblical points explained below to arrive at this very truth;

1. Jesus prayed to God in the garden of Gethsemane in THREE DIFFERENT CONSECUTIVES TIMES asking for the "cup (i:e the crucifixion)" to be taken away from him;
My Father, if it is possible, MAY THIS CUP BE TAKEN AWAY FROM ME. Yet not as I will, but as you will" (see Matthew 26:36-44)".
Therefore, if God already knew that He would not answer this Jesus' prayer as the Christians use to proclaim, then God must have kept the tongue of Jesus from using the phrase "IF IT IS POSSIBLE" because everything that is reasonable is possible for God. And it is reasonable for God to save Jesus Christ from being crucified by his enemy.
Since God deliberately allowed Jesus to use the Phrase "IF IT IS POSSIBLE" in his prayer for the crucifixion to be taken away from him, then God must have answered Jesus prayer and then he must have escaped the crucifixion because everything that is reasonable is possible for God.
Why would God not answer his prayer when the soul of Jesus was EXCEEDINGLY SORROWFUL EVEN UNTO DEATH (Matthew 26:38) and prayed so earnestly to the extent that his SWEAT WAS LIKE DROPS OF BLOOD falling down to the ground (Luke 22:44). Remember, the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man ( let alone a righteous and beloved prophet of God like Jesus) avails much (James 5:16). Therefore, Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion due to his effectual fervent prayer to God.

However, according to the Christian scholars, God still allowed Jesus to be crucified by his enemy DESPITE ALL HIS BLOOD-SWEATING PRAYER because there is NO OTHER WAY for God to save the children of Adam from eternal damnation except through Jesus crucifixion.
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY for omnipotent and omniscient God ? Does this submission make any sense to you? What about the Old Testament believers like Abraham, Moses and the likes that lived and died before Jesus arrival ?
These Old Testament believers did not have an opportunity of even hearing the name "Jesus" talkless of believing in his alleged crucifixion! Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God (because there is no any biblical verse that says these Old Testament believers were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion).
2. Anyone that is hanged or crucified is accursed by God:
"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, BEING MADE A CURSE for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE that is hanged on a tree (Galatians 3:13)". See also Deuteronomy 21:23.
Here we clearly read in the Bible that Jesus would be an accursed person if truly he died on the cross. Yet it is totally against the divine principle for God to put His innocent, righteous and beloved son under His curse for any reason whatsoever.
Matthew 25:41says; "Then he(Jesus) will also say to those on the LEFT HAND, Depart from me, you CURSED, into the everlasting fire, prepared for the DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS".
As you can see from the verse above: It is only those on the LEFT HAND who belong to the group of the "DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS " that are usually under the CURSE of God. It is impossible for an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God like Jesus to be under the SAME CURSE with the devil and his angels because he never did anything wrong or anything against the will of his Father. Therefore, Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion in order not to become an "accursed son of God" or "accursed prophet" or "accursed messiah".
3. Jesus was not sent to the entire world to die for our sins. He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24).
If Jesus was really sent to the entire world to die for both the Israelites and the Gentiles, then why did he have to tell that Canaanite woman that he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:21-24) ? Even if it was according to the divine plan that Jesus and his apostles would first minister to the Israelites BEFORE the Gentiles, then Jesus' statement directed to that woman should have been: "IT IS NOT YET TIME FOR THE GENTILES" or something similar in meaning rather than “I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”. Why did Jesus have to say he was sent only to the Israelites if he was truly sent to the entire world to die on the cross for our sins ? This single fact alone is enough to prove that Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion since he was not sent to the entire world but ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.

4. The sins of the sinners CANNOT be laid upon the righteous;
The soul that sinned, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL BE UPON HIM AND THE WICKEDNESS OF THE WICKED SHALL BE UPON HIM" (Ezekiel 18:20). Remember, this verse completely NULLIFY the main christian ideology which says : "the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon the righteous (i:e all the sin of sinners shall be laid upon Jesus Christ-2 Corinthians 5:21, 1Peter 2:24, Hebrew 9:28)".
One important question need to be answered;
If the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him (as the verse above declare) and NOT upon the righteous (as the Christians use to claim), then how can the wicked be saved and not die as a result of his wickedness ?
Again, the book of Ezekiel answer this question;
"Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people… if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then TURN FROM THEIR SINS and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil--THAT PERSON WILL SURELY LIVE :THEY WILL NOT DIE. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them.They have done what is just and right; they will surely live (Ezekiel 33:10-16)".
Have you now seen that there is no need for the righteous to bear the sins of the sinners before the sinners can be saved and lived. The sinners can simply atone for their sins by REPENTANCE.
Jesus confirmed this truth when he said; I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE (Luke 5:32).

5. The death of Jesus on the cross is NOT neccessary; Old testament believers were able to gain salvation without Jesus crucifixion.
God can decide to forgive our sins and earn our salvation through SINCERE REPENTANCE (see Ezekiel 33:10-16 quoted above) coupled with ANNUAL ANIMAL SACRIFICE ;
"He is to lay both hands on the head of the live GOAT and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—ALL THEIR SINS—and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the GOAT away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. The GOAT will carry on itself ALL THEIR SINS to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness....... .. Then, before the Lord, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS (Leviticus 16:21-30)"
Here we read in the last verse ; “Then before the LORD, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS” (Leviticus 16:30). Yet the new Testament proclaimed that; " It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to TAKE AWAY SINS (Hebrew 10:4)". This is a flat contradiction. Is there any difference between "CLEAN FROM ALL SINS" and "TAKE AWAY SINS" ?
The only way to resolve this contradiction is when we assume that the phrase "TAKE AWAY SINS" in Hebrews 10:4 implies "complete removal of humanity sinful nature" and NOT refering to "cleanliness from already committed sins". However, complete removal of humanity sinful nature is impossible as NOBODY can be completely FREE from committing sins (see 1 John1:8-10).
Therefore, Hebrew 10:4 is a great lie deliberately fabricated by Paul to weaken the atonement of sins through animal sacrifice and then justify atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion.
Therefore, if the main purpose of Jesus crucifixion is to achieve forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins, then the death of Jesus on the cross IS NOT NECCESSARY; IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY as claimed by the Christian scholars. God can decide to forgive our sins through sincere repentance or through animal sacrifice as He has done with the Old testament believers that lived and died before Jesus arrival.
Some Christians might want to argue that Jesus crucifixion make us entitle to many spiritual benefits that GO BEYOND forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins. But no matter how numerous the spiritual benefits that can be derived from Jesus crucifixion, there is no way for such benefits to be ACTUALIZED in the life of the Old Testament believers (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because they have lived and died before Jesus arrival talkless of his supposed crucifixion. Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God (because there is no any biblical verse that says these Old Testament believers were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion). So if these old testament believers, who happened to be among the children of Adam, were able to gain their salvation without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative way also for the other children of Adam to gain their salvation WITHOUT Jesus crucifixion.

6. The act of crucifying one human being (Jesus ) to save the humanity from one problem or the other is nothing but human sacrifice. Yet God Almighty hates human sacrifice (see Deuteronomy 12:31 and Leviticus 18:21 ).
If, according to the Christians, God Almighty can carry out human sacrifice, then what is the difference between Christianity and traditional African religions which also support human sacrifice? Is there any difference between the two ? As Jesus was not willing to die (see the first reason above) so also the victims of the traditional African religions are not willing to die.
Paul declare as follows; "I do not frustrate the GRACE OF GOD for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is DEAD IN VAIN (Galatians 2:21)".
So according to Paul “human sacrifice” is the grace of God. Yet the same Christians, who agree that Paul is right in his claim, would continue to condemn traditional Africa religions for engaging in human sacrifice. Why the double standard since “human sacrifice” is “human sacrifice” ?

WAS JESUS REALLY CRUCIFIED ?
The Holy Quran replies and the choice is yours: “they KILL HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM ( Holy Quran 4:157)".
Now let us assume that Jesus crucifixion is true. Do you think Muslims are deserve to be condemned by God on the last day simply because they fail to believe in Jesus crucifixion despite all their five beliefs (cited at the begining) concerning Jesus christ? To answer this question, let suppose the following conversation take place between God Almighty and the muslims on the day of Judgement on the assumption that Jesus crucifixion is true
God: O you muslims why did you refuse to believe in Jesus crucifixion ?
Muslims : O Lord our God and creator, Qur'an make us to believe in Jesus as Your mighty prophet who was born miraculously by virgin Mary. Qur'an also make us to believe in all the miracles that Jesus performed during his earthly ministry. Furthermore, Qur'an make us to believe in Jesus'ascension to heaven and that he is coming back toward the end of the world. So it is also written in the same Qur'an that Jesus was not crucified.
God; Yes, your Qur'an is true regarding all those things it mentioned concerning Jesus. But why are you so sure that your Qur'an did not get it wrong on the issue of Jesus crucifixion ?
Muslims: O Lord our God and Creator, the reason why we believe that Qur'an is also true on the issue of Jesus crucifixion is because Bible also declare that anyone that is crucified is accursed by God (Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13) and it is is not possible for You as a God of love, mercy and justice to put your innocent, righteous and beloved prophet under Your curse. From the logical reasoning you gave to us as human being, we were able to deduce that only the devils and his followers are deserved to be under Your curse: NOT Your innocent, righteous and beloved prophet like Jesus christ, who never did anything against Your Will. You are naturally known to always BLESS Your innocent, righteous and beloved prophets and never to CURSE any one of them.
Please do you think God Almighty can still have an evidence against the Muslims concerning the issue of Jesus crucifixion base on this reasonable reply ?
Consequently, even if Jesus crucifixion is true, Muslims CANNOT BE CONDEMNED by God for not believing in it; they CANNOT BE PERISHED. Yet Paul wrote in his epistle:
"the message of the cross ( i:e Jesus crucifixion) is foolishness to those who are PERISHING (1st Corinthians 1:18)".
See how Paul got it wrong!
Jesus crucifixion is one of the FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS of the present day Christianity . You will notice that the symbol of "CROSS" used to represent Christianity stands for Jesus crucifixion. In otherwords, if there is no Jesus crucifixion, then there is no Christianity.
Hence, if the ONLY true faith from God is Christianity, then being one of the foundational pillars of Christianity, NOBODY MUST HAVE A STRONG AND REASONABLE EXCUSE for not believing in Jesus crucifixion . However, as we have shown above, Muslims have a strong and reasonable excuse for not believing in Jesus crucifixion. Therefore, the ONLY true faith from God is NOT Christianity. And if the ONLY true faith from God is not Christianity, then Christianity must be a FALSE faith.
Being a false faith, Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Christianity. Therefore, if the Christians really love Jesus Christ and they do not want to lose him completely, they must embrace Islam. This is because apart from Christianity, Islam is the only faith on earth that make believing in Jesus and all other biblical prophets as one of the basic and most fundamental article of its faith.
Please for the sake of God, if you disagree with me, then resolve the contradictions on the events of crucifixion cited above and respond to each of the SIX points without using àny abusive words.






Kindly explain how allah made it appear so sura 4:157

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Re: See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by plainbibletruth: 9:08am On Aug 31, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
On the authority of Holy Qur'an;

WAS JESUS REALLY CRUCIFIED ?


Since you keep coming up with the same argument in different titles it wouldn't be out of place to repeat answers previously given for readers to see.

ON THE CRUCIFIXION:
1. The quran NEVER denied that there was a crucifixion.
2. In the narrative of the quran Allah SUBSTITUTED another person in place of Jesus.
3. So, the quran shows that there can be a SUBSTITUTIONARY death - one person can die in the place of another person.
4. Moslems therefore have NO REASON to argue that one person cannot be a SUBSTITUTE for another since the quran clearly claims that such a thing happened.
5. If another person PAYS a debtor's debt, can it be ILLOGICAL to say that the debt has been paid?Obviously not! Except to a person with a warped reasoning. If a debt has been paid then it has been paid! No law court will rule otherwise unless Islam's judicial system operates on an upside down logic.
6. So, Abdulgaffar22, is Islam's claim of SUBSTITUTIONARY death on the cross logical or illogical and an act of injustice?

WHY USE SOME BIBLE VERSES TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS AND REFUSE OTHERS?
When you use some Bible verses to attempt to prove your points but refuse to accept other verses EVEN in the same book of the Bible, you only show yourself as a deceiver. Otherwise on what basis do you pick and choose which to accept?

DECEPTIVE TOPICS
:
You use titles that bear no relationship with what you end up posting.
You claim here a title on how the Bible agrees with the Koran on the crucifixion yet you end up showing the DIFFERENCES between the two.
You end up displaying the same DECEIT of Allah as regards the crucifixion.

If you claim Jesus's death couldn't have affected Old Testament people then show us how Islam's SHAHADA worked for those before Mohamed. Or do you admit that a person can be a Moslem without believing in Mohamed?

I have shown you before now how Jesus's ministry was to the WHOLE WORLD but started with and in Israel. I quoted Bible references to that effect. Yet you neither disproved them nor acknowledge them as right but instead you keep coming back with the same issues. That is not a sign of someone who seeks the truth. Instead it is the opposite and more rightly about a person who just wants others to accept his position rather than seeking the TRUTH about an issue.

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Re: See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by FELIX0M0R: 9:32am On Aug 31, 2018
This one keeps trying to use Bible to justify his rubbish.

The same Bible that they will say is corrupted.
Your Hypocrisy is too much

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Re: See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by enilove(m): 11:21am On Aug 31, 2018
Op , why can't you understand that this god of the Quran is not the same God of the Bible?

Islam is the anti Christ , this you must know. It is you that does not know what the death of Jesus means , the devil knows , and his purpose is to hinder the Muslims from going to heaven. The devil could not hinder Jesus from dying and the only way is to tell lies against the truth.

WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THAT ALL MUHAMMAD KNEW WAS SEX AND SEX SEX SEX . THAT WAS WHY HE TOLD HIS FOLLOWERS THAT THEIR REWARD IN HEAVEN IS SEX .

Allah SWT says:
وَحُورٌ عِينٌ
"And [for them are] fair women with large, [beautiful] eyes,"
(QS. Al-Waaqia: Verse 22)
كَأَمْثٰلِ اللُّؤْلُؤِ الْمَكْنُونِ
"The likenesses of pearls well-protected,"
(QS. Al-Waaqia: Verse 23)
جَزَآءًۢ بِمَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ
"As reward for what they used to do."
(QS. Al-Waaqia: Verse 24)

BUT JESUS MADE US TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN HEAVEN , THERE IS NOTHING LIKE MARRIAGE AND WOMEN :

Matthew 22:27-30 KJV
And last of all the woman died also. [28] Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
[30] For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Why do you have believe the Quran which had to be burnt to rewrite another one so as to hide the differences in it?

If you wise and sure of what you are doing , answer the questions which @ plainbibletruth put to you.
Re: See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by Abdulgaffar22: 11:26am On Aug 31, 2018
Mr plainbible truth

If it is an act of INJUSTICE for a merciful and lovely Father to FREELY forgive and save His OWN sinful children, then is it not a GREATER act of INJUSTICE for the same Father to kill and curse the ONLY righteous child among them ?
In fact, the whole story of Christianity can be summarized as follows;
"There is one powerful and merciful Father who killed and cursed His ONLY righteous child simply because He wanted to forgive and save His remaining sinful children: Yet how the remaining sinful children bacame sinful is NOT without His knowledge and power".
Before the advent of Christianity, can anybody in his right sense have just 1% belief in this story ?
But here we have today in our midst, men of knowledge and intellect and particularly professionals who have 100% belief in this story when the same story is repackaged and adorned with attire of religion
Re: See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by enilove(m): 11:53am On Aug 31, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
Mr plainbible truth

If it is an act of INJUSTICE for a merciful and lovely Father to FREELY forgive and save His OWN sinful children, then is it not a GREATER act of INJUSTICE for the same Father to kill and curse the ONLY righteous child among them ?
In fact, the whole story of Christianity can be summarized as follows;
"There is one powerful and merciful Father who killed and cursed His ONLY righteous child simply because He wanted to forgive and save His remaining sinful children: Yet how the remaining sinful children bacame sinful is NOT without His knowledge and power".
Before the advent of Christianity, can anybody in his right sense have just 1% belief in this story ?
But here we have today in our midst, men of knowledge and intellect and particularly professionals who have 100% belief in this story when the same story is repackaged and adorned with attire of religion

You are a spiritual illiterate , that is why you don't understand this simple fact .

Jesus is alive forever. He himself volunteered to die for us and rose again to give God the glory. Jesus conquered death in the physical body for us to live after death as he is alive right now.

I KNOW YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE READING THIS, THAT IS WHY I WANT THE WHOLE WORLD TO KNOW HOW BASELESS YOUR PONITS ARE. READ :

John 10:14-18 KJV
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep , and am known of mine.
[15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
[16] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
[17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, THAT I MIGHT TAKE IT AGAIN.
[18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN, AND I HAVE POWER POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN. This commandment have I received of my Father.


There is life after death and that life is eternal , the most important and a TRAGEDY for anyone to miss.

Keep on arguing but think and pray to your maker, because it is glaring you are blind in the spirit.
Re: See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by Abdulgaffar22: 12:20pm On Aug 31, 2018
It is totally foreign and contradictory to our logical reasoning for God of love, mercy and justice to curse an innocent and righteous soul for any reason whatsoever. This is the reason why the message of atonement through Jesus crucifixion was a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles during the lifetime of Paul (1st Corinthians 1:23). But Paul tried to write some verses in an attempt to solve this problem of logical contradiction inherent in this very doctrine. Such verses are as follows: The natural man does not receive the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him; he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned (1st Corinthians 2:14). For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing (1st Corinthians 1:18). Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men (1st Corinthians 1:25). This is the reason why many Christians see no logical problem again with the idea of “an innocent, beloved and righteous son who was under the curse and condemnation of his own merciful and omnipotent Father”. Therefore, base on the verses quoted above, Paul has succeeded in making the Christians to think that a fundamental spiritual doctrine which is completely foolish to our logical reasoning could actually be a great wisdom in the sight of God. But if Paul's assertion is really true, why would God of reason (Isaiah 1:18) ask a natural man to believe and accept a fundamental spiritual doctrine that cannot be understood and completely foolish to his logical reasoning especially when that reasoning is the ONLY INSTRUMENT at his disposal to recognize that true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities? If there is only one spirituality in the entire world of human being, then Paul may be right in his claim. But there are many spiritualities like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Confucianism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Baha’ism, Taoism and Sikhism. Since each of these spiritualities is claiming to be on the right path, it is now left for any natural man to use the only instrument (his logical reasoning) given to him by God to recognize the true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities. This is exactly the reason why God must design the true spirituality in such a way that all its basic and fundamental doctrine would not be in conflict with the basic logical reasoning He bestowed upon a natural man. A fundamental true spiritual doctrine may support or be neutral to basic logical reasoning bestowed upon natural man; but they will never be in conflict with each other. How could true spirituality designed by God and basic logical reasoning originated from the same God be in conflict with each other? If they can be in conflict with each other, then how can a natural man decide whether to accept or reject a true spiritual faith in the midst of many fake spiritual faiths? Have you now seen how Paul gets it wrong by asserting that “the natural man does not receive the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him”? Is true spirituality not meant to be accepted and embraced by natural man? Now that it is foolishness to him; how is he going to accept and embrace it? To see further that Paul is wrong in his claim; suppose you are invited by a friend to accept a religious faith that is very rich in spirituality. But one of its unique and fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly is that you have to believe that God MUST commit an act of lying in order to achieve a particular greater purpose (May God be Exalted and glorified above such behavior). Now consider the following questions; 1. Would you just accept such faith because of its spiritual richness or reject it because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning? 2. Would you not ask about the actual connections that exist between that greater purpose and the act of lying that must be committed by God before the purpose can be achieved? 3. Would you not ask why All- knowing and Omnipotent God decided, at first instance, to give preference for such irrational way of lying over many rational ways He can design and create from His infinite knowledge and unlimited power to achieve that greater purpose? 4. Would you just accept that the way and the thought of such a lying God is higher and complex than your way and your thought? 5. Would you just fold your arms and accept that the foolishness of such a lying god is wiser than the wisdom of all men (see 1st Corinthians 1:25 quoted above)? 6. Would you just accept such faith relying on the claim that it has already been foretold in one old book that God would commit such act of lying (just like the Christians used to claim that it has already been foretold in the Old Testament that God would curse and condemn an innocent and righteous soul on the cross of Calvary for the sins of all men)? Now ponder over these six questions cited above and then tell me the difference between this imaginary faith which proclaim that God MUST commit an act of lying to achieve a particular greater purpose and the Christian faith which also proclaim that God MUST curse (Galatians 3:13,Deuteronomy 21:23) and condemn an innocent and righteous soul on a cross of Calvary to achieve a particular greater purpose (like solving the problem of sin with humanity or rescuing the humanity from bondage of Satan). Therefore, if you reject this imaginary faith because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning, then you must also reject Christianity since the two faiths are telling us to believe the exact opposite of what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. As God is naturally known to ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH AND NEVER TO COMMIT AN ACT OF LYING for any greater purpose; He is also naturally known to ALWAYS BLESS THE INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL AND NEVER TO CURSE THE SAME SOUL for any greater purpose. God may allow an innocent and righteous soul to suffer for one reason or the other. But God would never "curse" an innocent and righteous soul for any reason whatsoever. It is now clear that even if there are some spiritual benefits in the inner rooms of a true faith, there is still need for the logical reasoning to take us to the main door of those inner rooms at first encounter. But as we have pointed above, the doctrine of a merciful, omnipotent and omniscient God who cursed and condemned his only beloved and innocent son on the cross of Calvary for a particular greater purpose is totally in conflict with what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. This is because a god who could not devise a way to implement his plan except to curse and condemn an innocent and righteous soul is either not truly merciful or not truly omnipotent or not truly omniscient. Yet to believe in the existence of such a god is one of the fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly for you to become a serious and devoted Christian. Therefore, there is need for God to send another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross (Qur’an 4:157-158). In this way, the "curse of God" associated with any one that is crucified and died on a cross according to the Jewish law (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was removed from the head of our beloved and innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to be taken away from him in THREE consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44. Therefore, an illogical idea of God cursing an innocent and a righteous human soul on a cross of Calvary in order to solve the problem of sin with humanity (or to liberate the humanity from the bondage of Satan) is far away from the truth. The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.
Re: See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by Abdulgaffar22: 12:20pm On Aug 31, 2018
It is totally foreign and contradictory to our logical reasoning for God of love, mercy and justice to curse an innocent and righteous soul for any reason whatsoever. This is the reason why the message of atonement through Jesus crucifixion was a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles during the lifetime of Paul (1st Corinthians 1:23). But Paul tried to write some verses in an attempt to solve this problem of logical contradiction inherent in this very doctrine. Such verses are as follows: The natural man does not receive the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him; he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned (1st Corinthians 2:14). For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing (1st Corinthians 1:18). Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men (1st Corinthians 1:25). This is the reason why many Christians see no logical problem again with the idea of “an innocent, beloved and righteous son who was under the curse and condemnation of his own merciful and omnipotent Father”. Therefore, base on the verses quoted above, Paul has succeeded in making the Christians to think that a fundamental spiritual doctrine which is completely foolish to our logical reasoning could actually be a great wisdom in the sight of God. But if Paul's assertion is really true, why would God of reason (Isaiah 1:18) ask a natural man to believe and accept a fundamental spiritual doctrine that cannot be understood and completely foolish to his logical reasoning especially when that reasoning is the ONLY INSTRUMENT at his disposal to recognize that true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities? If there is only one spirituality in the entire world of human being, then Paul may be right in his claim. But there are many spiritualities like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Confucianism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Baha’ism, Taoism and Sikhism. Since each of these spiritualities is claiming to be on the right path, it is now left for any natural man to use the only instrument (his logical reasoning) given to him by God to recognize the true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities. This is exactly the reason why God must design the true spirituality in such a way that all its basic and fundamental doctrine would not be in conflict with the basic logical reasoning He bestowed upon a natural man. A fundamental true spiritual doctrine may support or be neutral to basic logical reasoning bestowed upon natural man; but they will never be in conflict with each other. How could true spirituality designed by God and basic logical reasoning originated from the same God be in conflict with each other? If they can be in conflict with each other, then how can a natural man decide whether to accept or reject a true spiritual faith in the midst of many fake spiritual faiths? Have you now seen how Paul gets it wrong by asserting that “the natural man does not receive the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him”? Is true spirituality not meant to be accepted and embraced by natural man? Now that it is foolishness to him; how is he going to accept and embrace it? To see further that Paul is wrong in his claim; suppose you are invited by a friend to accept a religious faith that is very rich in spirituality. But one of its unique and fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly is that you have to believe that God MUST commit an act of lying in order to achieve a particular greater purpose (May God be Exalted and glorified above such behavior). Now consider the following questions; 1. Would you just accept such faith because of its spiritual richness or reject it because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning? 2. Would you not ask about the actual connections that exist between that greater purpose and the act of lying that must be committed by God before the purpose can be achieved? 3. Would you not ask why All- knowing and Omnipotent God decided, at first instance, to give preference for such irrational way of lying over many rational ways He can design and create from His infinite knowledge and unlimited power to achieve that greater purpose? 4. Would you just accept that the way and the thought of such a lying God is higher and complex than your way and your thought? 5. Would you just fold your arms and accept that the foolishness of such a lying god is wiser than the wisdom of all men (see 1st Corinthians 1:25 quoted above)? 6. Would you just accept such faith relying on the claim that it has already been foretold in one old book that God would commit such act of lying (just like the Christians used to claim that it has already been foretold in the Old Testament that God would curse and condemn an innocent and righteous soul on the cross of Calvary for the sins of all men)? Now ponder over these six questions cited above and then tell me the difference between this imaginary faith which proclaim that God MUST commit an act of lying to achieve a particular greater purpose and the Christian faith which also proclaim that God MUST curse (Galatians 3:13,Deuteronomy 21:23) and condemn an innocent and righteous soul on a cross of Calvary to achieve a particular greater purpose (like solving the problem of sin with humanity or rescuing the humanity from bondage of Satan). Therefore, if you reject this imaginary faith because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning, then you must also reject Christianity since the two faiths are telling us to believe the exact opposite of what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. As God is naturally known to ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH AND NEVER TO COMMIT AN ACT OF LYING for any greater purpose; He is also naturally known to ALWAYS BLESS THE INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL AND NEVER TO CURSE THE SAME SOUL for any greater purpose. God may allow an innocent and righteous soul to suffer for one reason or the other. But God would never "curse" an innocent and righteous soul for any reason whatsoever. It is now clear that even if there are some spiritual benefits in the inner rooms of a true faith, there is still need for the logical reasoning to take us to the main door of those inner rooms at first encounter. But as we have pointed above, the doctrine of a merciful, omnipotent and omniscient God who cursed and condemned his only beloved and innocent son on the cross of Calvary for a particular greater purpose is totally in conflict with what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. This is because a god who could not devise a way to implement his plan except to curse and condemn an innocent and righteous soul is either not truly merciful or not truly omnipotent or not truly omniscient. Yet to believe in the existence of such a god is one of the fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly for you to become a serious and devoted Christian. Therefore, there is need for God to send another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross (Qur’an 4:157-158). In this way, the "curse of God" associated with any one that is crucified and died on a cross according to the Jewish law (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was removed from the head of our beloved and innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to be taken away from him in THREE consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44. Therefore, an illogical idea of God cursing an innocent and a righteous human soul on a cross of Calvary in order to solve the problem of sin with humanity (or to liberate the humanity from the bondage of Satan) is far away from the truth. The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.
Re: See How The Bible Agree With The Quran On The Issue Of Jesus Crucifixion by Kobojunkie: 7:41pm On Feb 15
Abdulgaffar22:
On the authority of Holy Qur'an;
1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet of God (Qur'an 19:30).
2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth (Qur'an 21:91)
3. Muslims believe in all the miracles Jesus performed during his earthly ministry (Qur'an 5:110)
4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven (Qur'an 4:158)
5. Muslims believe in Jesus 2nd coming toward the end of the world.(Qur'an 43:57-61)
However, on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, this is what the Qur'an says..
This all means absolutely nothing in the end since Muslims also deny the fact that the God of Israel chose the people of Israel as His only inheritance in the land of men and sent His son Jesus Christ only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. Like Christianity, Islam rejects the Truth of Jesus Christ and as such is ashamed of Him. undecided

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