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Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by LordReed(m): 7:46pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
DeSepiero: Sure, as long as the founding rumors and conjectures were true in the first place. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by sinequanon: 8:56pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
I think our discussion is coming to an end and you are going round in circles. vaxx: It only takes one counterexample to prove that something cannot work universally. When I gave an example you said that you were not interested in that type of argument. This was your illogical response: vaxx: You are not genuinely open to discussion. So there is no point discussing further. vaxx: Again, you are evasive. Being a student does not answer the question of whether you have direct personal experience of peer review. Why write nine evasive words instead of a simple "yes" or "no" answer? You are deliberately being evasive. vaxx: Here you go again, repeating your opinion instead of explaining what it is based on. vaxx: More repetition and arbitrary assertions. No explanation. vaxx: Repetition. The point has been addressed. You are clearly not reading and understanding the answers. vaxx: I have enough evidence about you from the way you reply. Your ideas are virtually a carbon copy of the popular responses laypeople have been programmed to make. vaxx: You have to be more than "not a novice" to understand the depth of this topic. vaxx: I have explained this already. vaxx: The problem is that this discussion belongs in philosophy. What you are doing is the very common mistake of trying to critique science from within science. Even Richard Dawkins started out naively trying to do this, but eventually he got clued up and realized that the questions were way deeper than he thought. vaxx: I could call that an "ad hominem ATTACKKKK" But I won't. You see, I can tell that it is your honest opinion relating to how YOU see my argument. For me, that is fine in an argument. I do the same thing. vaxx: I am not sure what you are typing on, but your grammar is coming out confusing. Your definition of science means that we are talking at cross-purposes in any case. As for closed-mindedness, you may think that you are writing stuff I have not heard before. I have heard almost everything you are writing. It is the automatic response of hundreds and hundreds of layfolk. I have seen it on many forums, like masses of programmed folk who don't or can't discuss enough of the nitty-gritty of science and philosophy of science. I carried out one experiment, on several forums dedicated to discussing the theory of evolution. I did a search on those forums for the word "mutation" which is a key concept in theory of evolution (Neo-Darwinian ToE). I typically got 200 search results. Then I did a search for the word "spaghetti", and I got MORE results than for "mutation". Thanks to Richard Dawkins, more people were yammering on about flying spaghetti monsters than arguing the science and talking about mutation. That is not debate. If you try to get into scientific debate with most of these jokers, they turn out to be ignorant clowns. (I later had a thought and searched for "spagetti" without the "h". I got even more results than for "spaghetti"...then I spelled it with one "t" and more hits spewed forth... jeez!) |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by killsmith(f): 8:57pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
Holding science back from what? Where is science heading to? |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by sinequanon: 9:18pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
killsmith: It's in something of a crisis right now, with experiments in Quantum Theory creating, for the first time, FUNDAMENTAL LOGICAL INCONSISTENCIES, in science. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 9:29pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
To stand in denial of scientific principle in 2018 is clearly an act of ignorance . sinequanon:Already I have ended the discussion? Why sbouild i allow this baiting to continue. Sure most of my evidence are back up objectively. Knowledge is not a monopoly of vaxx. Continue with your line of thought even when it has been shown to you, it is hogwash ....is a wast of time arguing in basket.... |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by sinequanon: 9:34pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
vaxx: Yep. Typical logic. Scientific principles are truth because 2018. I advise you to go and develop your critical faculties and come up with real substantive debate, instead of your posturing. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 9:42pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
sinequanon:i can see you could not make sense of it, just like you denied objective evidence throw at you. My opinion though , you may discard it. Go relearn all what you claim as a fact. No academia will take you serious with this line of thought . You sound more like an apologetic rather than educationist. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by sinequanon: 9:47pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
vaxx: My background is in mathematics. It is abstract. It doesn't have this problem that science has. The shrillest advocates of the scientific method are those who know little about it. Real scientists are far more cautious, but unfortunately, many dare not talk in public. The rise of academia in India is going to be a game changer. They are more willing to discuss things that have become taboo in the West. Brainwashed folks like yourself, will then be able to follow follow.. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 10:16pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
sinequanon:Another confused apologetic, you don't even know the importance of axioms in science which is liking to abstract in mathematics. Arguably mathematics is science in the sense that it use the broad sense of "systematic and formulated knowledge" like that of axioms which is use in mainstream science. You ignorantly do not know math has its own problem, just like science (who is denying that). You are even part of the problem . Holding hogwash knowledge and celebrating it as a fact. The ignorant did not even know mathematics is taught as a bunch of random rules ""à la SOHCAHTOA ""and FOIL which you have to apply blindly -- without understanding what you're doing, with no coherence whatsoever to solve random, purposeless questions. I am sure you are yet to consider this as a problem. You hide under the cover of cyber space and thinks you can cover truth with false. Sincerely speaking you might not be holding a mathematics degree.....it is common norms(those that talk too much of themselves are empty basket) as it is said empty drum make the loudest sound. Even budaatum thinking is a basket case prove me wrong reading your response.. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by budaatum: 11:04pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
vaxx:Isn't that what you do when you attack my emotions? |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by budaatum: 11:20pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
sinequanon:You are not "in a position where you just have to believe what you are told"! You were in the position that you needed to handle at the time. And when it got too much for you, you quit! Some people, Bruno Galileo Copernicus, they died fighting not to believe what they were told. They should be a lesson. 1 Like |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 7:15am On Sep 12, 2018 |
budaatum:Either You like it or not, you can never fight me....... I hope to see you someday, at least talk like a human........it seems we have forgotten that aspect due to internet barrier. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 7:41am On Sep 12, 2018 |
budaatum:There is no need to drag issue with individual who fall outside community standard, as that alone is a medical condition. You know what I mean. ( if everyone is saying A and he want to treat it like B) you should be skeptic about such individual. All we have has a human is our intuition. All nature has is her evidence. The marriage of the two is called science. And if someone in 2018 is claiming this is base on false standard. You should know the person is only acting ignorance. And do not be decive by too much lies, anybody can wrote anything whatsoever on cyberspace.: "" Your right is to check and validate it thru objective evidence. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 8:01am On Sep 12, 2018 |
killsmith:I mean from scientific progress and innovation.... |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by budaatum: 12:16pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
vaxx:Just yesterday, as I was about, I wondered why vaxx thinks being emotional is a negative thing. Does he think 'passion' is bad perhaps. Maybe he does not see the power in words. They after all are full of passion. Yeah, I can't fight you. But I will challenge what you say if I need to. Emotionally and passionately too. Nothing is a barrier to the human aspect to a human being worshipper, vaxx. Indeed, one day. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 12:58pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
budaatum:don't mind me, i am carried away by the flick of internet. I am not talking to stranger but talking to omo ilu oyinbo.... yes criticised my work....... 1 Like |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by rekinomtla(m): 2:21pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
budaatum: Galileo and Copernicus died of natural causes? 1 Like |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by budaatum: 2:42pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
rekinomtla:Ok, not die, exactly, I exaggerate, but only a bit. They at least fought for the validity of their observations instead of "believing what you were told". I'm adding one more name to that list. Jesus Bruno Galileo Copernicus were scientists who died for causes. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 2:46pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
budaatum:At least they do this by validating this using natural philosophy |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by killsmith(f): 3:12pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
vaxx:that's my question. Progressing to where? What scientific innovation can solve all of man's problems and fill that void in the heart of man? |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by killsmith(f): 3:15pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
sinequanon:logical inconsistencies? Kindly Explain this term. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 3:18pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
killsmith:Science does not even pretend to offer solution for every man problem. It is simply a methodology for exploring phenomena, explaining their causes in a way that can be predictive and repeatedly and testing hypotheses about the way things work. It’s a good method man has been exposed to for obtaining a working approximation of reality, most of the time. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 3:20pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
killsmith:Human logic is ignorant and objective verified evidence is conclusive, it does not owes human logic any explanation. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by killsmith(f): 3:26pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
vaxx:science is a tool to help enjoy and relax in his illusion. Ethics and morality are mans means of running from the burden called freedom. I think both terms are distinct i.e none is obstructing or limiting the other. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 3:29pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
killsmith:Perfect, so how will you feel if someone called a tool like hammer immoral? |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by killsmith(f): 3:29pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
vaxx:can you prove this claim? |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by killsmith(f): 3:33pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
vaxx:sir, what exactly is your point? |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 3:35pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
killsmith:i don't prove ( we are not dealing with mathematics model) I will give you evidence using quantum mechanics as an example. There are theory that logically it make no sense to human , like there are different rules that exist on the subatomic level than on the atomic level (particles that can be in two places at the same time, particles traveling faster than light, things that can exist and not exist simultaneously, and especially, that two particles can be placed in a state in which observing one of them immediately affects the state of the other—even if they have traveled light years from each other before measuring one of them. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by vaxx: 3:37pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
killsmith:my point is you call science a tool and want to know if this tool can be called evil using hammer as an example? |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by sinequanon: 3:47pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
killsmith: I can already tell from your posts that we are not going to get very far in a discussion. If a system conforms to a logic, it is logically consistent. If not, it is logically inconsistent. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by killsmith(f): 4:05pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
sinequanon:Be patient. You're going to stumble anytime soon sinequanon:"if a system conforms to logic", isn't a mathematical system rooted in logic? Is it impossible for a consistent system to show or exhibit contradictions and ambiguities? Can you name a mathematical system that doesn't have a set of axioms and rules, as its base? In simple words, give an example of an inconsistent system. Let's start from here. |
Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by killsmith(f): 4:08pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
vaxx:i just dey laugh the guy since....they read a few pages and they come to carry their shoulder on the internet. |
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