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Unanswered Questions On Yoruba's Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 7:20pm On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317 these are all the questions you ignored
These questions are not random questions, they are necessarily response to your post...I asked each based on something you said and only want you to go further and explain

:You can click on the 'macof' links below to go back to the original posts

macof:



1. Can you narrate to me the yoruba oral account of migration and what towns speak of these migrations? by 'migration' i am sure you know i mean migration from outside Nigeria
2. (mother) iye = eym. you need to explain how 'Iye' evolved from 'eym'. ( a tip; you will need to provide some other examples that follow the same pattern of Iye = eym. p.s according to Hebrew dictionaries everywhere 'mother' is 'em(a)' or 'im(a)' https://www.pealim.com/dict/2664-em/

3. 'אֵם' has the 'aleph' and 'mem' letters of the Hebrew alphabeth which is equivalent to 'A' and 'M' in English so how does 'a,m' evolve to 'i,y,e' in yoruba language?



macof:


So if Yoruba knew of the hebrews and knew we were hebrews before christianity was introduced

4. what is the yoruba name for Hebrews? and what part of Yoruba traditions, in what specific towns is it implied that Yoruba are Hebrews? You said yoruba have oral accounts of migration? migration from where?

surely for you to know these remnant traditions that i and many others do not know, you must have your sources?
5. Kindly direct me to a link or at least a name, lets identify where you got the information from





I know you still have questions i asked above, but because you wont let us deal with points one step at a time i have to ask more questions
6. Who are the other groups the Yoruba met as they were migrating down to Nigeria? and what part of Yoruba accounts confirm those foreign accounts, it is after all the yoruba that is being talked about, surely the yoruba accounts must give legitimacy to what ever foreign accounts

7. I have never heard of Ibn Battuta mentioning Yoruba in his Rihla account, unless you are referring to the baseless claim that he mentioned Ife as 'Yufi', in which case is completely off. So in what context and to what purpose did Battuta mention Yoruba?
Because even Ahmed Baba is regarded as the first to mention yoruba in a written work

8. so what part of Ahmed Baba's mention of Yoruba is evidence of a Hebrew origin for Yorubas?

9. What names, people and towns outside yorubaland are the Yoruba linked to? asides maybe places in Igalaland with Ife-prefixes

10. what are these traces of non aboriginal narration in Ifa and who are these researchers?

11. So are you saying Yoruba oral accounts are not authentic?

12. what do you know about the ways of Yoruba ancestors? you are not even involved in Isese so what ways do you think you know and how did you come about knowing them?

macof:


13. How does Yoruba greatness mean Hebrew origin

macof:



14. Eda means 'Humanity' and yoruba use the word only to refer to themselves? so Yoruba are the only humans on earth? did you think before you posted this?


15. How does yoruba feeling of cultural superiority oppose the common origin of yoruba with her neighbors? the Edo also have a feeling of cultural superiority, even higher than the Yorubas...feeling of cultural superiority is relative to how well organized and prosperous a people perceive themselves above their neighbors. Egyptians had a feeling of cultural superiority , Greeks had a feeling of cultural superiority, the british had a feeling of cultural superiority, the mongols had a feelings of cultural superiority, the Persians had a feeling of that same cultural superiority...all of them have a common origin with their neighbors, same neighbors they felt superior to
I'm pretty sure the Ibos had a feeling of cultural superiority too



16. can we have a list of the cognates between Hebrew and Yoruba? (actually to use the term 'cognates' is wrong, i was just using your words. reason why is because 'cognates' is the term used to describe two words that have a common origin, blood relation if i may say. So I think what you are on to is rather 'borrowed words'. Because Yoruba language is not a blood relative to Hebrew... even if Yorubas came from Hebrews, Yoruba people must have adopted a new language, and borrowed hebrew words into the language.
but even at borrowed words from hebrew, you still follow the same method as cognates...you need a methodology, either by giving the etymology of the individual words not just 'x' means 'ex' you need to explain how 'ex' became 'x' or at least find a pattern using other examples like i did when i compared some Yoruba-Igala words, and Yoruba-Igbo words

if you can prove that yoruba language has some hebrew words that already shows Hebrew connection, then we can go further to investigating how and when these words could have entered Yoruba lexicon.

macof:

17. Nobody is sure about how many times Ife has been moved, or if it has ever been moved...People just suggest and throw out the possibility that current Ile-ife wasnt the site of the first Ife.. Personality, I am of that opinion too..but that leaves us with a question? ; Where were the previous Ife? And how many previous Ife existed?
Now I don't have the answer but feel free to tell us...with evidence kiss



18. How is Moba related to Hebrew?

If you are trying to suggest that not all Yoruba towns originated from modern ile-ife...that bit is already recognized by historians...so yes, according to Atolagbe(although himself not an actual historian, but his book is so far the best we have on Otun history) the Otun Oore emerged from the water at Moba in Lagos state...it is explicit in the citations made by Atolagbe "okun moba lehin eko"

But how does this connect to hebrews?




macof:


19. I did not see any etymology... Giving etymologies are good.. The only screenshot i saw was that 'Addereth' picture which had no etymology, neither did any thing in the picture show how 'addereth' is related to 'adire'

Adi - Tie. Re - dye what is the etymology of 'Addereth'?



20. And what part of Whorf's work did he imply a connection between Yoruba and Hebrew? that is the point you should be making..because all well known linguists have long finished research as to Yoruba's place in the Niger-congo group of languages and hebrew's place in Afro-Asiatic
so where is the correlation?



21 And what "higher college in the western world"(your own words) did you attend/attending? What country? France? grin

Is it your western world higher college that told you Oduduwa did not come from Oke-ora?... So have you checked with your university history professor and discussed about Oduduwa coming from Israel? I guess you are the custodian of Oduduwa secrets...the Obadio of Ife must be a learner where you are for you to know the bithplace of oduduwa..yet you are not a traditionalist or an Ife indigene ...better don't insult the priest of oduduwa by trying to claim what you dont know because of christianity and hebrew sentiment that you want to push...church work undecided


22. not one of your claims has been proven...stop lying
show use one confirmation by one renowned researcher that actually agrees with you while providing evidence.... the only person you mentioned was Dierk Lange who doesnt agree with you

23. If connection to Eledumare and your ancestors is so important to you, why not dump christianity and enter Isese? or is christianity your ancestral religion? grin


macof:

24.


in this same picture you posted, Egyptian language is being compared to Bantu languages as well as Yoruba and Fulani(pulaar)...not yoruba alone, so even the person who did this doesnt agree with you that Yoruba are separate from other africans

Also some of the yoruba words are wrong
1. bọse is not secretly... I mean i have never heard that word.. unless you know something i don't know undecided. Yoruba for secretly is 'nikoko'
2. busa is not 'to honor/respect' ...also nevr heard that word... to respect - bọwọ
3. bọti is also wrong.. it is ọti

as for 'ba' which your picture says 'germinate'..i am unsure of the yoruba word for germinate that is why i wont say much.. maybe 0balufonlll knows..egbon?

as for the remaining 4 words can you explain how these words are borrowed from egyptian language? what methodology did you use to arrive at this conclusion?
So here we are. This is how scholars do it, so don't be afraid, I'm sure you can defend your theories

please we already have many questions, make me understand these 24 first before adding more to it..so just straight to it and no more bold claims

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Re: Unanswered Questions On Yoruba's Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:04pm On Sep 15, 2018
macof:
Olu317 these are all the questions you ignored
These questions are not random questions, they are necessarily response to your post...I asked each based on something you said and only want you to go further and explain

:You can click on the 'macof' links below to go back to the original posts

















So here we are. This is how scholars do it, so don't be afraid, I'm sure you can defend your theories

please we already have many questions, make me understand these 24 first before adding more to it..so just straight to it and no more bold claims
Please go to all my posts because I have answered your questions.
Re: Unanswered Questions On Yoruba's Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 10:44pm On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317:
Please go to all my posts because I have answered your questions.
I just did and i saw no answers.

you can repost them here maybe they didn't get posted as you think
Re: Unanswered Questions On Yoruba's Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:38pm On Sep 16, 2018
macof:
I just did and i saw no answers.

you can repost them here maybe they didn't get posted as you think

3. The 'aleph' ‘Ah' and 'mem' letters of the Hebrew alphabets which is equivalent to 'A' and 'M' in English so how does 'a,m' evolve to 'i,y,e' in yoruba language?

Answer:
Prior to the ,‘Aramaic' Era, in ancient Hebrew, each letter represents a sound and a concept. The first letter, (Note that Hebrew is read from right to left), is the aleph (pronounced ah-leph) and represents the "Ah" and "Eh" sounds. Aleph is a Hebrew word meaning "ox," and this letter is a picture of an ox head and represents the concept of "strength," from the strength of the ox. So contrary to your approach, several of the letter in the alphabet are very similar and can easily be confused with other letters'. So know that learning ancient Hebrew language is not like the way you source information via ‘pealim.com'.Below alphabet were how ancient Hebrew's word for ‘mother' was formed by a Rabbi and researcher;
Aleph: a, e
Yud : y, i
Mem: m

Thus , the word for ‘mother' were derived through the ancient Hebrew's picture that were interpreted.
In fact,the spoken language in Judah and environ before it was lost was ,‘Aramaic' which was a language that was developed from ancient Hebrew and ended around 135AD in Middle East.


4. what is the yoruba name for Hebrews? and what part of Yoruba traditions, in what specific towns is it implied that Yoruba are Hebrews? You said yoruba have oral accounts of migration? migration from where?

Answer:
(a)There was nothing like Yoruba name for Hebrew neither did Hebrew names was their uniform name but a name of one of their ancestors known as ‘eber'

(b) I am sure you known comparative study have been done on Yoruba ethnicity and Hebrew - meditterean .So, no need to ask me for more info. After all, you are a Historian.

(c) Same as answer ‘b'
Hebrew as a name was derived from name, ‘eber'


5. Kindly direct me to a link or at least a name, lets identify where you got the information from
I know you still have questions i asked above, but because you wont let us deal with points one step at a time i have to ask more questions

Answer:
(a)I have given you authors books to enhance your study. Try do that to understanding what you dont know

6. Who are the other groups the Yoruba met as they were migrating down to Nigeria?

And what part of Yoruba accounts confirm those foreign accounts, it is after all the yoruba that is being talked about, surely the yoruba accounts must give legitimacy to what ever foreign accounts

Answer
(a)In Yoruba(ILEIFE) oral history, there is an account in Ikedu king list which has accout that there were two kings during the 46th kings list which appeared to be the period when Odua & his group were acknowledged to have emigrated from somewhere through oke ora to Ileife . Below screenshot from, ART in ILEIFE,The Birth Place of Yoruba,acknowledged it. Perhaps it will refreshen your memory.

(b) In as much oral account, has acknowledged it,and all Yoruba were linked together as a family, then they have nearly unified identity. The only difference was that they arrived differently to their first place of abode at different times before Odua and his group arrived later.


7. I have never heard of Ibn Battuta mentioning Yoruba in his Rihla account, unless you are referring to the baseless claim that he mentioned Ife as 'Yufi', in which case is completely off. So in what context and to what purpose did Battuta mention Yoruba?
Because even Ahmed Baba is regarded as the first to mention yoruba in a written work

(a)ohún tí édà o bá mó o sè'gbà é .So he Ibn Battusa made a baseless claim around 12th century? Very funny. grin And every Yoruba scholars that cited western resesrchers work of about 3000-4000 years ago of language divergence of Ibo and Yoruba is correct? I can see your view

8. so what part of Ahmed Baba's mention of Yoruba is evidence of a Hebrew origin for Yorubas?

Answer
(a)Youfi was IFE and IFE is Yoruba

(b) Canaan was acknowledged as the ancient home of Yoruba in Ahmed Baba's account through Captain Clapperton's account, even if there was nothing concrete to proof it.


9. What names, people and towns outside yorubaland are the Yoruba linked to? asides maybe places in Igalaland with Ife-prefixes

Answer
(a) Yoruba in Bénin,Togo,Ghana,south America etc,tally through oral account,Sudan(bodily mark seen as same with a Yoruba group of Ijebu etc ), Ethiopia (circumcission of both male and female was and found in Yoruba land), North Africa's Morroco etc had a footprint of IFA/IFA practice but dissapeared from North Africa around 9th century and Egypt had an account of ‘Ilu',a town in lower Egypt.


10. what are these traces of non aboriginal narration in Ifa and who are these researchers?

(a) Names of towns and period of formation of towns in the present day Yoruba history in Nigeria,such as ancient Àdo, Ìkólè,Ógbón,Orú etc are recorded in Ifa corpus account but didnt fit in toYoruba land narrative in Nigeria's because Orunmila existed before 11th-12th century.Infact, some scholar's account claim Orunmila lived 4000 years ago.

11. So are you saying Yoruba oral accounts are not authentic?

Answer
(a) As it is a normal with every migration of people,there are part of Yoruba account that were narrated but seen as a not too long ago ,which was due to gap in the history ( Dierk Lange,Bowen,Cotton etc). The first half of yoruba is lost,which what we are trying to unravel the same way the ancient Hebrew were lost and being searched for . So as you can see, the yoruba history in Nigeria, is the concluding part of ancient people who came from the land of ‘ORÚ' in Middle East. After all, Obatala's father,Olofin's ,Obawinrin's,Obalara's ancestors are not known.


12. what do you know about the ways of Yoruba ancestors?
you are not even involved in Isese so what ways do you think you know and how did you come about knowing them?

Answer
. grin grin grin okay oooo iseserimi, I hear you. But please dont say this to me again because people like you kept claiming isese but you are boastful and betray the dont of our ancestors way of life. Plainly, you use negative word on people too often.Such as you can't be a role model in encouraging people into isese.So repent Sir.I was born into Isese.....So once you e engage me on issue,dont ever refer such to me again.. angry undecided

Re: Unanswered Questions On Yoruba's Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:36am On Oct 01, 2018
You did not even address up to half of the points raised nor attempt most of the questions for 2 weeks
Olu317:


3. The 'aleph' ‘Ah' and 'mem' letters of the Hebrew alphabets which is equivalent to 'A' and 'M' in English so how does 'a,m' evolve to 'i,y,e' in yoruba language?

Answer:
1. Prior to the ,‘Aramaic' Era, in ancient Hebrew, each letter represents a sound and a concept. The first letter, (Note that Hebrew is read from right to left), is the aleph (pronounced ah-leph) and represents the "Ah" and "Eh" sounds. Aleph is a Hebrew word meaning "ox," and this letter is a picture of an ox head and represents the concept of "strength," from the strength of the ox. 2. So contrary to your approach, several of the letter in the alphabet are very similar and can easily be confused with other letters'. So know that learning ancient Hebrew language is not like the way you source information via ‘pealim.com'.Below alphabet were how ancient Hebrew's word for ‘mother' was formed by a Rabbi and researcher;
Aleph: a, e
Yud : y, i
Mem: m

1. That is all very correct.
2. There is no confusion, Hebrew word for mother simply has two alphabets 'Aleph' and 'mem' which is transliterated to english as "Ema" or "Ama"
How does this show any form of connection to "I-Y-E" that was the real question which you have not answered.
3. What is the name of this Rabbi? You should have known i would ask




4. what is the yoruba name for Hebrews? and what part of Yoruba traditions, in what specific towns is it implied that Yoruba are Hebrews? You said yoruba have oral accounts of migration? migration from where?

Answer:
(a)There was nothing like Yoruba name for Hebrew neither did Hebrew names was their uniform name but 1. a name of one of their ancestors known as ‘eber'


(b) I am sure you known comparative study have been done on Yoruba ethnicity and Hebrew - meditterean .So, no need to ask me for more info. After all, you are a Historian.

(c) Same as answer ‘b'
Hebrew as a name was derived from name, ‘eber'

you did not even remotely answer the qestions

1. This is just a hypothesis that has been trashed. You like to talk about hebrew all the time, but still maintain an european medieval idea that has been trashed by improved studies of the modern era. 'Hebrew' is "Ibri/Ivri" in Hebrew language

Since you inability to answer this question establishes that you do not know of the yoruba word for Hebrew, or any yoruba town that has has a tradition of descending from hebrews...so what exactly is your source? can you see that you are exposing yourself to making poo up from your ass?


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5. Kindly direct me to a link or at least a name, lets identify where you got the information from
I know you still have questions i asked above, but because you wont let us deal with points one step at a time i have to ask more questions

Answer
(a)I have given you authors books to enhance your study. Try do that to understanding what you dont know
you gave no books that correspond with what you have been claiming



6. Who are the other groups the Yoruba met as they were migrating down to Nigeria?

And what part of Yoruba accounts confirm those foreign accounts, it is after all the yoruba that is being talked about, surely the yoruba accounts must give legitimacy to what ever foreign accounts

Answer
(a)In Yoruba(ILEIFE) oral history, there is an account in Ikedu king list which has accout that there were two kings during the 46th kings list which appeared to be the period when Odua & his group were acknowledged to have emigrated from somewhere through oke ora to Ileife . Below screenshot from, ART in ILEIFE,The Birth Place of Yoruba,acknowledged it. Perhaps it will refreshen your memory.

(b) In as much oral account, has acknowledged it,and all Yoruba were linked together as a family, then they have nearly unified identity. The only difference was that they arrived differently to their first place of abode at different times before Odua and his group arrived later.

"Who are the other groups the Yoruba met as they were migrating down to Nigeria? And what part of Yoruba accounts confirm those foreign accounts, it is after all the yoruba that is being talked about, surely the yoruba accounts must give legitimacy to what ever foreign accounts"

^^^^this was my question, a very straight forward question.. you have not answered it

Ikedu king list! have you come across this list? or have you come across anyone who has? ^Lets deal with what you really know about

But actually what part of this your post here do you think addressing my question? how does Ikedu list have anything to do with People yoruba met before reaching Nigeria?




7. I have never heard of Ibn Battuta mentioning Yoruba in his Rihla account, unless you are referring to the baseless claim that he mentioned Ife as 'Yufi', in which case is completely off. So in what context and to what purpose did Battuta mention Yoruba?
Because even Ahmed Baba is regarded as the first to mention yoruba in a written work

(a)ohún tí édà o bá mó o sè'gbà é .So he Ibn Battusa made a baseless claim around 12th century? Very funny. grin And every Yoruba scholars that cited western resesrchers work of about 3000-4000 years ago of language divergence of Ibo and Yoruba is correct? I can see your view

(a)Youfi was IFE and IFE is Yoruba

I never said Ibn Battuta made a baseless claim, he was not a claimant of anything, his writting was simply about the things he saw and experienced as a traveller and explorer not historian, he was no historian

I was saying the people who claim he mentioned Ife as 'Yufi' are wrong because Ibn Battuta never came near Yorubaland, his 'Yufi' was in east africa not west africa

I have read two reviews of his Rihla



8. so what part of Ahmed Baba's mention of Yoruba is evidence of a Hebrew origin for Yorubas?

Answer

(b) Canaan was acknowledged as the ancient home of Yoruba in Ahmed Baba's account through Captain Clapperton's account, even if there was nothing concrete to proof it.
Ahan! oga, why lie? Where did Ahmed Baba put 'canaan' and 'yoruba' in the same sentence? Ahmed Baba was not trying to be an historian like Clapperton
Ahmed Baba was simply describing some West African people the Malians(in by extension his native Songhai) have significant trade with
i know you do not know the context of which Ahmed Baba mentioned the Yoruba...so you can go find that out, take your time to be involved in actual fact finding with guidiance from those before you

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9. What names, people and towns outside yorubaland are the Yoruba linked to? asides maybe places in Igalaland with Ife-prefixes

Answer
(a) Yoruba in Bénin,Togo,Ghana,south America etc,tally through oral account, 1. Sudan(bodily mark seen as same with a Yoruba group of Ijebu etc ), Ethiopia (circumcission of both male and female was and found in Yoruba land), North Africa's Morroco etc had a footprint of IFA/IFA practice but dissapeared from North Africa around 9th century and Egypt had an account of ‘Ilu',a town in lower Egypt.

*facepalm*

Yoruba in Benin, Togo, Ghana, South America? dude are you a dunce? I thought you were claiming yoruba migrated to Yorubaland from Israel.
We all know how Yorubas got to South America...*coughs* slave trade..
Historians know how Yorubas got to Benin, Togo and built few communities in Ghana...Wars and Expansion ambition. These have nothing to do with Yoruba origin

I'm so lost with the beginning of this part of your post.

1. What are the names of these ethnicities in Sudan, ethiopia and morrocco that are connected to Yoruba
ps. There are countless african people who have body scarification that can be linked to Yoruba, as well as circumcision of girls and boys.. Speaking of which, if you were not trying so hard to push a claim that you yourself are not convinced of(just too ashamed to say you have no proper backings), you would know that Hebrew tradition forbids female circumcision as such the Yoruba who do practice a totally different tradition




10. what are these traces of non aboriginal narration in Ifa and who are these researchers?

(a) Names of towns and period of formation of towns in the present day Yoruba history in Nigeria,such as ancient Àdo, Ìkólè,Ógbón,Orú etc are recorded in Ifa corpus account but didnt fit in toYoruba land narrative in Nigeria's because Orunmila existed before 11th-12th century.Infact, some scholar's account claim Orunmila lived 4000 years ago.
I asked what are the race of non-aboriginal narration in Ifa
Please ask if you do not understand my english sir, instead of all this posting of things that have nothing to do with my question.

i expected you to mention a place outside Nigeria that features in ifa as the place of origin for Yoruba, not mentioning places within Yorubaland
This only shows that Ifa establishes an aboriginal status for Yoruba



11. So are you saying Yoruba oral accounts are not authentic?

Answer
(a) As it is a normal with every migration of people,there are part of Yoruba account that were narrated but seen as a not too long ago ,which was due to gap in the history ( Dierk Lange,Bowen,Cotton etc). The first half of yoruba is lost,which what we are trying to unravel the same way the ancient Hebrew were lost and being searched for . So as you can see, the yoruba history in Nigeria, is the concluding part of ancient people who came from the land of ‘ORÚ' in Middle East. After all, Obatala's father,Olofin's ,Obawinrin's,Obalara's ancestors are not known.

but how can you say you are trying to unravel this 'missing history' when you already have your conclusion before evidence?
its like in mathematics, you already have your answer without showing how you got to the answer... wuruwuru undecided

You let evidence convince you, not you twist things to appear as what you already want to believe

There are much parts of yoruba oral history that is rightly said, missing, but it takes dedicated study and initiation in the traditions to know enough to build the bridges and seal the gaps




12. what do you know about the ways of Yoruba ancestors?
you are not even involved in Isese so what ways do you think you know and how did you come about knowing them?

Answer
. grin grin grin okay oooo iseserimi, I hear you. But please dont say this to me again because people like you kept claiming isese but you are boastful and betray the dont of our ancestors way of life. Plainly, you use negative word on people too often.Such as you can't be a role model in encouraging people into isese.So repent Sir.I was born into Isese.....So once you e engage me on issue,dont ever refer such to me again.. angry undecided

negative words? like i call out stupid things when i see it? i laugh, you think Isese is a tradition of roses and back massages?
Isese is harsh and straight... No Isese person will try to make you feel as if you are more than what you are

You are just lying now grin you this church boy claiming isese online.. ok ni bo lo gba ikin e? abi se o ti gbe Igba odu?
Re: Unanswered Questions On Yoruba's Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:21am On Oct 01, 2018
1. That is all very correct.
2. There is no confusion, Hebrew word for mother simply has two alphabets 'Aleph' and 'mem' which is transliterated to english as "Ema" or "Ama"
How does this show any form of connection to "I-Y-E" that was the real question which you have not answered.

Answer
Who is your Hebrew instructor ? grin So, you think what you fused together are the correct form in ancient Hebrew? Beside, you don't know,how ‘ma' or ‘Ema' , was even derived. So don't bother yourself to use logic. grin
Do you know English Language borrowed over 3000+ words from Roman's Latin, Spanish and others ? grin. Researchers indicate that English-Spanish cognates account for one-third of educated adult vocabulary (Nash, 1997) and 53.6 percent of English words are of Romance-language origin (Hammer, 1979). And Spanish from English are about 1,000 words that are cognates or are borrowed from a common language. So your ‘Ma' or , ‘Ema' that you thought had been contested against by other researchers , because English language did developed through different languages. grin
Mind you, I posted the screenshot , why ask me this question again? lipsrsealed


3. What is the name of this Rabbi? You should have known i would ask

Answer
The Rabbi is not the focal point but the ancient word list of Hebrew. If you need learn ancient Hebrew through modern Hebrew,then you are totally lost. Rabbi mean Master /Teacher in ancient Hebrew.


you did not even remotely answer the qestions

1. This is just a hypothesis that has been trashed. You like to talk about hebrew all the time, but still maintain an european medieval idea that has been trashed by improved studies of the modern era. 'Hebrew' is "Ibri/Ivri" in Hebrew language

Answer
Oga , you have no idea of ancient Hebrew. Perhaps, you think the Aleph and mem are the factors of deciphering words in ancient Hebrew? No sir, there is more to it . So stop dabbling through imaginary means . Kindly Pick up the advise rendered to you to read so as to enhance your knowledge on Middle East knowledge, precisely Hebrew.



Since you inability to answer this question establishes that you do not know of the yoruba word for Hebrew, or any yoruba town that has has a tradition of descending from hebrews...so what exactly is your source? can you see that you are exposing yourself to making poo up from your ass?

Answer
Stop it, what ass exposure? Even with Screenhot I posted to support my view and research ? You are a joke!


you gave no books that correspond with what you have been claiming.


Answer
Haaaa grin go back and check the fve books I posted for you to enhance yourself .


"Who are the other groups the Yoruba met as they were migrating down to Nigeria? And what part of Yoruba accounts confirm those foreign accounts, it is after all the yoruba that is being talked about, surely the yoruba accounts must give legitimacy to what ever foreign accounts"


Answer
The Yoruba account from oral say, Oke Ora was the place through Olofin entered the settlement. Do you know , Ke Ra, exist in Egypt too? grin. Can you explain to us how Yoruba language had a touch of Egypt's lexicon? Then, why do some other descendants of other groups call olofin an Usurper? Yet, his father was not known nor the father of the man, who he was accused of usurping. May be, you know the history of Olofin's father and his contemporaries ? If so, share it.



^^^^this was my question, a very straight forward question.. you have not answered it

Ikedu king list! have you come across this list? or have you come across anyone who has? ^Lets deal with what you really know about.


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There is Ikedu list and part of what I know is that, there were people known as leaders and there were claim about the kinglist before Olofin showed up. So, don't break up what is in the public domain through oral account . Do you know IFE fought civil war during Olofin and Oranmiyan's time ? These wars were even conscripted as one in Susan Blier's book. Despite this error, as you can see, I intend not to footdrag this, Sir!


But actually what part of this your post here do you think addressing my question? how does Ikedu list have anything to do with People yoruba met before reaching Nigeria?


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Yes, it did because, that was the melting point that changed the face of Yoruba land. Do you even know, how many people had been conscripted as Yorubas? Ancient Oriki pieces everyone identity in Yorubaland. Olofin dynasty sustained the family tie kind of kings and their kingdoms, which is termed, ‘ DIVINE'-ORI CONCEPT, will help you understand this.



I never said Ibn Battuta made a baseless claim, he was not a claimant of anything, his writting was simply about the things he saw and experienced as a traveller and explorer not historian, he was no historian.



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Nobody was any historian but clerics, warriors, travellers account that's been documented are sources to reference,in the ancient times. So, what is the problem with such. The people's of old Greek, Roman etc weren't historians too, if your concept of historians are based on modern termilogy.


I was saying the people who claim he mentioned Ife as 'Yufi' are wrong because Ibn Battuta never came near Yorubaland, his 'Yufi' was in east africa not west africa


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Yufi is just wrongly spelt form of IFE because of lettering problems . Beside, in French Language i=e(english pronunciation ). French j=g(English pronunciation). Consult a French person to know this Sir.

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Ahan! oga, why lie? Where did Ahmed Baba put 'canaan' and 'yoruba' in the same sentence? Ahmed Baba was not trying to be an historian like Clapperton
Ahmed Baba was simply describing some West African people the Malians(in by extension his native Songhai) have significant trade with
i know you do not know the context of which Ahmed Baba mentioned the Yoruba...so you can go find that out, take your time to be involved in actual fact finding with guidiance from those before you.



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Ahmed Baba's account is written in Hausa's Ajami sultanate account that predated the reader to clapperton. So stop this view that has no base. Are you saying, a white man that is filled with pride, will ever want to say this to the whole world for ego? grin May God help you oo.



Yoruba in Benin, Togo, Ghana, South America? dude are you a dunce? I thought you were claiming yoruba migrated to Yorubaland from Israel.
We all know how Yorubas got to South America...*coughs* slave trade..
Historians know how Yorubas got to Benin, Togo and built few communities in Ghana...Wars and Expansion ambition. These have nothing to do with Yoruba origin



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What's your point? I referred to this places as migration causes,so what's your point? So you don't IFA-AFA existed in North Africa grin? If so, why the cognate? And this AFA disappeared without a trace. How could this be? I am not going to train you on it, but you find it out. Please, don't say Ibo has AFA ,too because, they could not showcase it in United Nations World heritages grin. This simply means, they can't defend it , as Yoruba IFA had been shown to the world.




I'm so lost with the beginning of this part of your post.

1. What are the names of these ethnicities in Sudan, ethiopia and morrocco that are connected to Yoruba
ps. There are countless african people who have body scarification that can be linked to Yoruba, as well as circumcision of girls and boys.. Speaking of which, if you were not trying so hard to push a claim that you yourself are not convinced of(just too ashamed to say you have no proper backings), you would know that Hebrew tradition forbids female circumcision as such the Yoruba who do practice a totally different tradition



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So, you expect me to explain these things to you? grin grin Are you no more a history enthusiast or more precisely, historian? Visit libraries or Google Books on the Ancient Sudan and Ethiopia to know more on Africa history. The pioneer of ruling class in Egypt and ,Amun/Ammon cult cheesy.



I asked what are the race of non-aboriginal narration in Ifa
Please ask if you do not understand my english sir, instead of all this posting of things that have nothing to do with my question


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This question you ask is non relevant to what is at stake. So, Null and void. Perhaps, you know what it means,when elders says, ‘À kí fí omo ìré bo ìré'.

i expected you to mention a place outside Nigeria that features in ifa as the place of origin for Yoruba, not mentioning places within Yorubaland
This only shows that Ifa establishes an aboriginal status for Yoruba.


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Before Judaism, Ephod begun in the land of JUDAH and Israel. The western historians have not been able to explain the exact meaning of Ephod. And the Biblical account , a part said Duad(David) consulted Ephod . Again in Morocco, AFA had footprint.



but how can you say you are trying to unravel this 'missing history' when you already have your conclusion before evidence?
its like in mathematics, you already have your answer without showing how you got to the answer... wuruwuru undecided


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What is the conclusion? Unravel, means, to reveal or you have your own meaning for this word ‘unravel'. grin



You let evidence convince you, not you twist things to appear as what you already want to believe

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Twist what now? Show me where I twisted anything ? I ask you people simple questions but no answers. After all, you have become b, a teacher, grin on line, with these questions.... You distract me.



There are much parts of yoruba oral history that is rightly said, missing, but it takes dedicated study and initiation in the traditions to know enough to build the bridges and seal the gaps


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Dedication to study? Yes. But initiation? No.After all, many people are initiate, even white men were. Did they know more than what has been written ? No No No . Until you understand that Yoruba history from within has some few lapse without proper documentation but through their oral account and Yoruba language, such people's history can be solved with comparison against other people's culture and language.
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negative words? like i call out stupid things when i see it? i laugh, you think Isese is a tradition of roses and back massages?
Isese is harsh and straight... No Isese person will try to make you feel as if you are more than what you are


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I thought you claimed to be an initiate, if then learn to eschew discipline and tolerance.After all, there are code of conduct in Iledi.


You are just lying now grin you this church boy claiming isese online.. ok ni bo lo gba ikin e? abi se o ti gbe Igba odu?


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Just imagine this question? What has church or mosque got to do with one's ésìn àbàl'àyè lipsrsealed ? oh k Ooo , you are the juju man . As far as I am concerned,I don't have time to make mockery nor scare anyone as you litter the internet with the wrong impression you want readers to perceive Yoruba tradition negatively. Anyway, 28years+ ago, what knowledge do know about Igba Odu? grin grin. If you and I stood before an IFA PRIEST, after he dà'fà in our presence, you will bow to me undecided. It has been proven several times with such people like you.
Re: Unanswered Questions On Yoruba's Hebrew Heritage by Ayobami7(m): 12:33pm On Nov 09, 2018
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