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Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 11:39am On Apr 27, 2018
We are familiar with the story of Elijah in the Hebrew scripture.

There seems to be a Yoruba perspective to it: Aja.

The name Ajagbe may be a repository of history that seek to immortalize the memorial of Elijah in anal of Yoruba liturgy. All that is left of that is a foggy tradition that we may still remember to some extent.

In one of Yoruba's storytelling, its often said that when there is whirlwind, someone can be taken away, and so, no one must get close to an active whirlwind. It is often said that whirlwind may take one away and when one comes back, one becomes very powerful.

The regular whirlwind is 'iji' in Yoruba, while 'Aja' is the one that takes one away that one may return and be very powerful. I want to think the belief is well rooted among ancient Yoruba, hence the name Ajagbe was coined to mean "taken away by whirlwind".

In fact, while throwing water on the whirlwind, the Yoruba often shout thief!! to break the whirlwind before it damages or takes anyone away. Aja is akin to Jah in Elijah, meaning 'El is Jah'. Aja is Yoruba for somewhere in the sky where one goes to become powerful.

Well you wont find Elijah in Yoruba tradition, but you will find a gist or a hint that shows that a man can be taken away by whirlwind unto the sky is tenable in Yoruba tradition, then you can bring the integrals closer to see how the story goes. who learnt from who?

Elijah's ascention is 'Ajagbe' to the ancient Yorubas, although they lost the records, but they kept the foggy idea till date.

Erimoje ni mi,
Omo Sa Aja...

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 8:03am On Aug 15, 2018
The last time I made this post, one information that has long eluded me became clearer to some extent, it is likely the bonus for sharing this. The folksong says:

benikan rimi nao
won ma sirimi padao,

erimoje nimi,
omo sa ajao.

If anyone sees me now
they will see me again.

I am erinmoje,
Son of Sa-Aja.

In Surat Nasr, we hear the arabic word 'isaaja' meaning, "comes".

Another place to look is also the statement of Christ to his followers:

"sometimes you will see me, sometimes, you wont see me again"

That has certain bearing with the folk song above, and may be a product of this same knowledge as the bible verse.

Going by whirlwind is a temporary disappearance, at which the individual return much powerful, and likewise, Jesus was taken to heaven to return as a powerful ruler.

This agrees with the notion enshrined in Yoruba tradition: and then we must also take cognizance of the variant use of the term aja as found in peoples names:

ajadi iko
ajala
ajao
ajani
ajasa
ajayi

The last entry, ajayi is one of the names that the Yoruba brought from her cradle homeland, hence it is designated as "oruko amu-to'run-wa"; that is "names that came with the founding fathers". Thus, Aja is a word shrouded in mystery and may be conncted to Ajalorun.

Aja may be a short for Ajalorun.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by kayfra: 4:20pm On Aug 15, 2018
I hate the reverse engineering of Yoruba culture to fit some judeo-christian narrative. It is downright shameful

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 11:49pm On Aug 15, 2018
kayfra:
I hate the reverse engineering of Yoruba culture to fit some judeo-christian narrative. It is downright shameful



Thanks, may whatever you believe in bless you.

Only a fool takes instruction from people without the slightest iota of knowledge, insight or idea of history or knowledge of the subject they dabble into.

Stop perusing what your brain capacity cannot process.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:37am On Aug 16, 2018
kayfra:
I hate the reverse engineering of Yoruba culture to fit some judeo-christian narrative. It is downright shameful
No one is engineering Judeo-christian narrative to fit into Yoruba culture but ancient Hebrew that existed before Judaism existed. Do you even know Mossa was also eaten in ancient Hebrew Land as a form of unleavened Bread?
If you have problem with seeing from people's opinion who have been researching the claims by some western scholars in the past,then pick interest in reading ancient Hebrew's history. So that you will have evidence to counter some of us that have dug deeper than you people.
And if you can't do such strenuous research,then read through to add to your own knowledge.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by kayfra: 11:15am On Aug 16, 2018
Olu317:
No one is engineering Judeo-christian narrative to fit into Yoruba culture but ancient Hebrew that existed before Judaism existed. Do you even know Mossa was also eaten in ancient Hebrew Land as a form of unleavened Bread?
If you have problem with seeing from people's opinion who have been researching the claims by some western scholars in the past,then pick interest in reading ancient Hebrew's history. So that you will have evidence to counter some of us that have dug deeper than you people.
And if you can't do such strenuous research,then read through to add to your own knowledge.

Mossa? That is useless info. Anecdotal at best grin

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by kayfra: 11:17am On Aug 16, 2018
absoluteSuccess:




Thanks, may whatever you believe in bless you.

Only a fool takes instruction from people without the slightest iota of knowledge, insight or idea of history or knowledge of the subject they dabble into.

Stop perusing what your brain capacity cannot process.




My brain tells me you are going on a fool's errand. Concocting trash all over the place, hijacking Jewish history like it's some gold standard probably because they documented their myths well and sold it to us

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by RedboneSmith(m): 3:35pm On Aug 16, 2018
Sorry to bring this here but I don't know where else to take it. Absolutesuccess, what does the Yoruba name Ogbori mean, and do the Itsekiri people also have that name or a name similar to it?

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 3:38pm On Aug 16, 2018
kayfra:


Mossa? That is useless info. Anecdotal at best grin
Anecdote? Impossible because there are 100s of similar shared lexicon of ancient words between Semitic's and Yoruba's.
But engaging you is on a futile mission.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 10:23am On Aug 18, 2018
kayfra:


My brain tells me you are going on a fool's errand. Concocting trash all over the place, hijacking Jewish history like it's some gold standard probably because they documented their myths well and sold it to us

Its the kind of thing that your kind of brain will do definitely. It has nothing positive in it than trash, hate and shame. It solves no problem or fan the ember of light or enlightenment, but narrow confrontations to feel relevant.

there wont be any dept to your thinking than this, with "trash all over the place", it shows you are long obsessed with me all over the place back and forth, I've been there before and I've advance from that stage now, so create your "like farm" here and there, as I progress.

You can never change, don't worry about trying to change me either, I wont. So inform your band that I'm back.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 10:41am On Aug 18, 2018
RedboneSmith:
Sorry to bring this here but I don't know where else to take it. Absolutesuccess, what does the Yoruba name Ogbori mean, and do the Itsekiri people also have that name or a name similar to it?

Its all good here brov.

I'm not too keen about ogbori as a name of a person in Yorubaland other than as you have it in the cognomen "Ogbori-Elemosho" the historic generalisimo of the Ogbomosho people.

But going by the meaning of the word, it originally means "o-gbo-ri", one who slay or behead his adversary. Later Yoruba also have this for the word "big", literally meaning, "it lifts the head". Its an alternative for "o to bi" or "o ni nla".

Ogbori Elemosho is a founding tradition of the Ogbomosho.

Soun Ogunlola accidentally murdered an Ijesha man, and he was summoned to the Alaafin for the crime. He asked that he be made to fight an invincible killer, Elemosho who was terrorizing the Oyo to pay for his crime. Soun slayed Elemosho in the tradition, so he is called Ogbori Elemosho.

To be honest I'm not too familiar with Itshekiri's culture. I will learn as much as I can and would like to compare deep-rooted-words, to see how they point us to histories or traditions that elude us.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by HajimeSaito(m): 10:04pm On Aug 18, 2018
kayfra:
I hate the reverse engineering of Yoruba culture to fit some judeo-christian narrative. It is downright shameful

It's obvious the person you're dealing with swims in the most shallow end of the intelligence pool. Your observations are completely lost on him.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 12:31am On Aug 19, 2018
HajimeSaito:


It's obvious the person you're dealing with swims in the most shallow end of the intelligence pool. Your observations are completely lost on him.

hmm,

To see someone from this angle means you are swimming in the very full end of the intelligent pool. What a lofty post void of wisdom.

A man can swim in intelligence and still lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding, and will fail to see it even if anyone else has it.

You can't comprehend anything beyond your intelligence quotient. Wise men swim at the shallow ends, but fools drown with pride.

Can you start swimming from the deepest end?

bibi ire kosee f'owo ra.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by HajimeSaito(m): 8:20am On Aug 19, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


hmm,

To see someone from this angle means you are swimming in the very full end of the intelligent pool. What a lofty post void of wisdom.

A man can swim in intelligence and still lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding, and will fail to see it even if anyone else has it.

You can't comprehend anything beyond your intelligence quotient. Wise men swim at the shallow ends, but fools drown with pride.

Can you start swimming from the deepest end?

bibi ire kosee f'owo ra.




Wisdom, intelligence and knowledge are not strangers, they are all part of the same deal. It is impossible for an intelligent man to lack wisdom and knowledge. Indeed intelligence is the physical manifestation of both those qualities (wisdom and knowledge) and the more intelligent a man is, the better he is at applying wisdom and knowledge to the difficult task of navigating his way through life.

You may wallow in self pity for as much as you want, but no honest person will ever accept plagiarism and reinvention as signs of true intelligence in much the same way as a clever conman will never be regarded as a genius.


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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:09am On Aug 19, 2018
Clearly, it will be hard for a lot of people to discern. Intelligent is simply being ‘bright' and wisdom is proper application of being bright(being able to distinquished the wise from unwise)
Technically, they are different because one can be intelligent and still don't use it correctly. The devil has knowledge (brilliant) but lacked wisdom. There are over 100,000s instances.
Understanding is really a scarce commodity grin

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:44am On Aug 19, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


hmm,

To see someone from this angle means you are swimming in the very full end of the intelligent pool. What a lofty post void of wisdom.

A man can swim in intelligence and still lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding, and will fail to see it even if anyone else has it.

You can't comprehend anything beyond your intelligence quotient. Wise men swim at the shallow ends, but fools drown with pride.

Can you start swimming from the deepest end?

bibi ire kosee f'owo ra.



It is impossible for some people to understand because they eyes but can't see.They have ears but can't hear. I remember vividly your advice and I want you to use it because,these group of antagonists can't decipher nothing but feign . Òrò yì rì bì, Àì fì énì p’énì àì f’èìyán p’èniyán, l’àrà oko fí nsán bánté wò'lú
Orìsìrìsì édà lo wà nì NL. I hope you will not loose sight of it.


Cheers
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 6:08pm On Aug 19, 2018
HajimeSaito:




Wisdom, intelligence and knowledge are not strangers, they are all part of the same deal. It is impossible for an intelligent man to lack wisdom and knowledge. Indeed intelligence is the physical manifestation of both those qualities (wisdom and knowledge) and the more intelligent a man is, the better he is at applying wisdom and knowledge to the difficult task of navigating his way through life.


Save your sermon, this is not useful here, we are talking about linguistics and comparative study of two variant cultures that some of us considered to have common origin. Simply put, we (myself, Olu, metaphysical, and then lately, Rosikki). We all agree the Yoruba migrated from the Levant region, each with a different perspective of this.

Nobody stops you from having perfect opposite opinion of this, if it is what you hold to be truth. Then proof your opinion beyond reasonable doubt if needs be.

But thinking that no one has right to belief a thing or two about Yoruba migration story, or their right of divergent opinion, to employ their intellect, written or oral sources or hebrew scriptures or Egypt's hieroglyphs to prove their point is thinking yourself to be something when you are nobody.



You may wallow in self pity for as much as you want, but no honest person will ever accept plagiarism and reinvention as signs of true intelligence in much the same way as a clever conman will never be regarded as a genius.

I don't know if you are intelligent: you don't seems to understand 'plagiarism'. Please, check your dictionary and try to understand its meaning and how it applies in literary view: except its your way of discrediting me.

Also, I think you need to be wise, "re-search" is to "review old history in new light", it is a re-invention or renewal of old stories, it is dusting the old, disused tales and re-validating them in contemporary writing style.

You sees yourself as one of the 'honest person' here because to you, I am like a conman. But the point is, you don't have the faculty to comprehend this type of write-up, and you are too proud to learn new things, yet your knowledge is not very broad.

You fail to mention 'genuine' because you have no value for it yourself. That's what makes you assume the omniscience without benefits of doubt.

See, you need to know that its either a man is intelligent or clever. It is your 'achievements' that will eventually prove if you are a genius or just clever, while your 'ulterior motives' will expose you if you are genuine or just a conman.

On the other hand, a clever man is a 'resourceful man', and an intelligent man is supposed to be a 'more resourceful man'. A conman is of dubious character with deceptive intents. I care less what you think of me, but wisdom is practical. See it this way:

Clever man = effective man

intelligent man = efficient man

Genius = clever+intelligent (effective+efficient man).

Genuine = purpose (passion) driven.

Conman = deceiver, con artist.

Only a less intelligent person will dub a more intelligent person a deceiver if he no longer knows how to find his way through the maze of pristine or complex findings.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 6:16pm On Aug 19, 2018
Olu317:
It is impossible for some people to understand because they eyes but can't see.They have ears but can't hear. I remember vividly your advice and I want you to use it because,these group of antagonists can't decipher nothing but feign . Òrò yì rì bì, Àì fì ènì p’ènì àì f’ènìyàn p’eniyan, l’àrà oko fìn sàn bàntè wò'lu
Orìsìrìsì èdà lo wà nì NL. I hope you will not loose sight of it.


Cheers

My brother,

If we refuse to do the brain work, someone else will do it better, its thus better to be on the job and get better on it, everyone has what they believe in and excel at.

I am black and shine, I'm not black and dull, so let's shine in whatsoever we do.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:33pm On Aug 19, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


My brother,

If we refuse to do the brain work, someone else will do it better, its thus better to be on the job and get better on it, everyone has what they believe in and excel at.

I am black and shine, I'm not black and dull, so let's shine in whatsoever we do.
Awesome.

Respect
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 5:09pm On Aug 20, 2018
The Hebrew worshiping continues

The white man really did a good one on Africans. Many are so displeased and hate their history and ancestors that they must reinvent their own history

Funny enough none of these people are historians or anthropologist or linguists

Religion has finished Africa

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 12:36pm On Aug 21, 2018
'blackman-blackmind'. Always playing the race card to a fault.

I'm black, I don't make anything out of it, it never stops me from shining ever so bright and rocking my generation, it never shall stop me from teaching the world what is never known to her. I'm not into "I'm black and proud", its 'inferiority complex' lingo. I am to shine as black. 'I'm black and so be it'. It is not my strength nor my weakness. It never stop me from shining as a star, its a opportunity to excel at a course, to shine where few people dare to shine out of fear of the unknown.

The world is not about whiteness/blackness all the time. There is no black race, white race, pink race and so on and so forth, from the onset. Its all 'human race'. All mankind shares common experience and inter-connectivity from the onset of time. But people fixed in 'the racist bloc' cannot come out of the bloc or shall ever think out of the box, its a fixed context. Race-mongers are often racists and hatists in their own race itself, and self-conscious individuals who does not want to mix with anyone in the first place. This becomes a worldview in them, they are only comfortable in their skin.

To this folks, the race surpass everything humanity have in common. The class struggle dialectics is all they want to see or hear about, arguments like 'black is better than white', 'white populate the world', 'black phenotype is the origin of man' and so on. People fixed in this box are waiting earnestly for where and when the next stunning scientific discovery that will stupefy their opponent will come from, meaning, they are not making ingenious mental progress of their own, they are waiting for one 'expert' with magic wand to 'fix it' and supply 'the missing link'. So, you earn their wrath if you are not race conscious.

The world was not started by any race, but one race or the other will dominate at one time or the other. One race will eventually dominate the other in the natural course of things, except war and instrument of warfare goes out of fashion. It was once Egypt (Africa), it flow to Medo-Persia (Asia) and To Macedonia (Europe) and now in the new world (America). What you can change is a problem, but what you can't change is a fact of life. Learn to live with the fact of life and stop acting up.

Scientists didn't create the world but scientists came and did their studies of nature. Linguists did not create language, but they did their studies on it. Historians did not invent history, they are students of history. There shall be no holds barred, all men shall be free to study any aspect of peculiar interest to them.

When men tell you that you do not have the qualification to make conclusions, they are projecting their innate weakness or excuses for lack of perception to you. Nature did not wait for linguists to teach you how to speak and use your cognitive ability. If the Wright brothers were to wait for what the experts have to say, the Aeroplane wont have been flying in the sky. The experts are specialists, you are a generic user in their area of specialty, you are not a dummy. Nothing stops you from being smarter than specialists given the tools and expertise borne out experience.

Specialists will always consult men of experience from all walks of life and generic orientation. Have you seen a man diligent in his works? Before king he shall stand, he will not stand before mere men.

Prov. 22:29.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 8:04pm On Aug 21, 2018
absoluteSuccess:
'blackman-blackmind'. Always playing the race card to a fault.

I'm black, I don't make anything out of it, it never stops me from shining ever so bright and rocking my generation, it never shall stop me from teaching the world what is never known to her. I'm not into "I'm black and proud", its 'inferiority complex' lingo. I am to shine as black. 'I'm black and so be it'. It is not my strength or my weakness. It never stop me from shining as a star, its a opportunity to excel at a course.

The world is not about whiteness/blackness all the time. There is no black race, white race, pink race and so on and so forth, from the onset. Its all 'human race'. All mankind shares common experience and inter-connectivity from the onset of time. But people fixed in 'the racist bloc' cannot come out of the bloc or shall ever think out of the box, its a fixed context. Race-mongers are often racists and hatists in their own race itself, and self-conscious individuals who does not want to mix with anyone in the first place. This becomes a worldview in them, they are only comfortable in their skin.

To this folks, the race surpass everything humanity have in common. The class struggle dialectics is all they want to see or hear about, arguments like 'black is better than white', 'white populate the world', 'black phenotype is the origin of man' and so on. People fixed in this box are waiting earnestly for where and when the next stunning scientific discovery that will stupefy their opponent will come from, meaning, they are not making ingenious mental progress of their own, they are waiting for one 'expert' with magic wand to 'fix it' and supply 'the missing link'. So, you earn their wrath if you are not colour conscious.

The world was not started by any race, but one race or the other will dominate at one time or the other. Scientists didn't create the world but scientists came and did their studies of nature. Linguist did not create language, but they did their studies on it. Historians did not invent history, they are students of their studies, religion not left out. There shall be no holds barred, all men shall be free to study any aspect of peculiar interest.

When men tell you that you do not have the qualification to make conclusions, they are projecting their innate weakness or excuses for lack of perception to you. Nature did not wait for linguists to teach you how to speak and use your cognitive ability. If the Wright brothers were to wait for what the experts have to say, the Aeroplane wont have been flying in the sky. The experts are specialists, you are a generic user in their area of specialty, you are not a dummy. Nothing stops you from being smarter than specialists given the tools and expertise borne out experience.

specialists will always consult men of experience from all walks of life and generic orientation. Have you seen a man diligent in his works? Before king he shall stand, he will not stand before mere men.

Prov. 22:29.

In all this long epistle not one thing is evidence of your claims. Do you see something is wrong with such claims?

As to the Proverbs quote, quite nice but you are not deligent in your work, if you were we would know your contribution to the world of knowledge but unfortunately nairaland is where it all comes to rest

I know you Hebrew people dread challenges and questions but you can't run away from it

Since you all do not have any form of training (acedemic or traditional) I urge you to take this claims up to a university department of anthropology or history or any of the main social science and humanities faculty
That is where such "academical revolutionary ideas" belongs

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 12:45pm On Aug 22, 2018
OlaoChi:


In all this long epistle not one thing is evidence of your claims.
Do you see something is wrong with such claims?

Thank God you acknowledge my capacity for long epistle: I can produce volumes of incredible works on a given topic in my field of experience, but how about you and scanty points? You will ever wait unto people to learn and have nothing tangible to offer once no one produce any masterpiece in the academia for you.



Do you see something is wrong with your claims?


Not at all, a diligent man is supposed to share his findings with kings, not mean men. I'm a christian, and the bible says, 'Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Since you have been hunting for claims trailing me, had I ever earn one good compliment from you? I'm not good enough for you because there is no good in you to offer anyone than mudfight. Only swines does that.

As to the Proverbs quote, quite nice but you are not deligent in your work, if you were we would know your contribution to the world of knowledge but unfortunately nairaland is where it all comes to rest

No, as early as 2007, I've been writing and self-publishing books in my 20s. My first book was produced 2007 and my second title was on Yoruba, 'Yorubas Glorious Secrets' (2009). But I only discover as a young writer in a country of people who do not really fancy reading that much, I must create alternative source to survive. I'd want to survive as an author or publisher.

At a spot in Ikeja in 2007 I was selling my book and a man made a comment, 'aa saa jeun' meaning, 'we must eat' I felt terribly bad to think that all I'm doing was reduced to a mussel of bread by a stranger. There are people whose utmost idea of whatever you might be doing is trash, they have no excellence in them, so they can't see how what you are doing is of any excellence.

Out there, they think you are doing it for piecemeal, here they think you don't have the right to do this or do that: it is left to you to choose if your passion is their passion or their passion is your passion. Albeit, their passion is to stop you from actualizing what you have passion for. When you quit, you actualize their passion, they succeeded in making you quit. Well, don't give up.

But to late Prof. Akinwunmi Ishola, he said he has been reading Yoruba history in the past but none has been written in my style. I said sir, is it a good work? and he said, 'yes, very well'. He has excellence, so your aspiration to something excellent cannot be a threat to him. Well, that's not an achievement to me, it simply means I have a unique contribution to make to the body corpus of knowledge.


I know you Hebrew people dread challenges and questions but you can't run away from it

The word hebrew transliterate to iberu, or Eberu in Yoruba: If you have a sense of history, I'll remind you of Ojo-'beru, its the name of an icon in Yoruba that may be an hebrew. He is so called because he is fearless. Hebrew means eberu and its the word for courageous or fearlessness in Yoruba. iberu is the dread, and the dread is on you.


Since you all do not have any form of training (acedemic or traditional) I urge you to take this claims up to a university department of anthropology or history or any of the main social science and humanities faculty
That is where such "academical revolutionary ideas" belongs

If you have a product and you don't know your target audience, that product has already failed. Never mind, you have no product, so you have nothing to lose. Plato started the academia and wrote the republic and other works, his students became philosophers and today philosophy is a branch of knowledge in the university. Plato was originally a student of Socrates. Both were not products of any university.

When you have valid knowledge or contributions that can add value or new insight to human development in any sphere of life, patent it and keep the copyright. The University will come to learn from you. That's how its suppose to be. But if you have no clue as to why you are here, the University will teach you what you can do to add meaningful contributions to further human development.

When you produce a good work, launch it, and your readers will become great teachers and recommend your contributions to the ministry of education, and you might be awarded a doctorate degree, honorary caucus. I'm joking, work and improve on your job, many have no content but context, but only few have both content and context. When you do, create a platform to embrace your idea and the academia may take note of your contribution if need be. You are serving humanity, not the academy.

Take away is, there are people that goes to the university, and there are people that the university goes to, hence the university is a school to fan the embers of knowledge in custody of man, not where human knowledge is reduced to trash.

I want to hope you are learning?

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 8:58pm On Aug 22, 2018
absoluteSuccess:
Do you see something is wrong with such claims?

Thank God you acknowledge my capacity for long epistle: I can produce volumes of incredible works on a given topic in my field of experience, but how about you and scanty points? You will ever wait unto people to learn and have nothing tangible to offer once no one produce any masterpiece in the academia for you.


Not at all, a diligent man is supposed to share his findings with kings, not mean men. I'm a christian, and the bible says, 'Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

cheesy this is just too funny. How is this about me?
At least you know very well that I state facts established and published by recognized institutions and researchers.

Anybody can claim Yoruba came from anywhere, some claim Arab some claim Sudan, some claim Egypt, you can olu claim Hebrew
I like to think we came from the Japanese cheesy

Mizu - Omi - water
Otsuki - Osupa/Osukpa - Moon
Shogun - Ogun - relating to war and military
And many more

So don't say I can't reinvent, I engage in writing adventure fiction and gain inspiration from many cultures and historical events so I know history and I know how to spot fact from fiction, evidence from imagination. I know when I see another fictional imaginative narration grin

There is nothing wrong in relying on historians to learn history, stop trying to be what you are not trained to be.
With this you have already invalidated yourself and your claims establishing yourself to be a fraud, because you do not rely on historians, you just admitted to reinventing history to suit your need for relevance in life

Lmao how am I mean? This is not a big issue, you say Yoruba are Hebrews, I have asked for proof to no end what else do you expect to be called then if not funny clowns? It is not being mean, again if you are diligent we would know by the time you start dropping evidence left and right, even I will join your Hebrew squad cheesy

Also if you intend to share your findings with "kings" *(quite poetic) why are you posting the claims without the evidence and expect sane people to take you seriously?
Since we are dogs on nairaland

Your religion has done you more harm than good, driven you to worshipping the people who started the religion



Since you have been hunting for claims trailing me, had I ever earn one good compliment from you? I'm not good enough for you because there is no good in you to offer anyone than mudfight. Only swines does that.


Trailing you?? Lmao. You wish

Are you hungry for compliments? I don't understand

I just ask for evidence all this emotional outburst is unnecessary


No, as early as 2007, I've been writing and self-publishing books in my 20s. My first book was produced 2007 and my second title was on Yoruba, 'Yorubas Glorious Secrets' (2009). But I only discover as a young writer in a country of people who do not really fancy reading that much, I must create alternative source to survive. I'd want to survive as an author or publisher.

At a spot in Ikeja in 2007 I was selling my book and a man made a comment, 'aa saa jeun' meaning, 'we must eat' I felt terribly bad to think that all I'm doing was reduced to a mussel of bread by a stranger. There are people whose utmost idea of whatever you might be doing is trash, they have no excellence in them, so they can't see how what you are doing is of any excellence.

Out there, they think you are doing it for piecemeal, here they think you don't have the right to do this or do that: it is left to you to choose if your passion is their passion or their passion is your passion. Albeit, their passion is to stop you from actualizing what you have passion for. When you quit, you actualize their passion, they succeeded in making you quit. Well, don't give up.

while your experience is sad it is has nothing to do with your lack of scholarship and expertise, that is something you chose, it takes nothing to study and build yourself on the subject, you are not better than those who studied history and Linguistics for years

So distorting Yoruba history is suppose to be your meal ticket? Do not blame unemployment
Neither should you blame the Nigerian people for not purchasing your book when you are not affiliated with any institution. You can volunteer your services to a university department and publish your findings through them or even make use of their journals as your source and seek their support for publishing and distribution, that is what researchers do, you are no researcher if you are afraid of doing this, or maybe you have tried and were rejected

In summary, Reinventing history is not hustling it is wrong

And in that regard how well has it gone for you since 2007 or whenever it was that you started your Hebrew claims?
My advice to engage in academia should not be lost on you if you are really serious.


But to late Prof. Akinwunmi Ishola, he said he has been reading Yoruba history in the past but none has been written in my style. I said sir, is it a good work? and he said, 'yes, very well'. He has excellence, so your aspiration to something excellent cannot be a threat to him. Well, that's not an achievement to me, it simply means I have a unique contribution to make to the body corpus of knowledge.
good for you then. But where is the evidence? We are still on that spot


The word hebrew transliterate to iberu, or Eberu in Yoruba: If you have a sense of history, I'll remind you of Ojo-'beru, its the name of an icon in Yoruba that may be an hebrew. He is so called because he is fearless. Hebrew means eberu and its the word for courageous or fearlessness in Yoruba. iberu is the dread, and the dread is on you.
You see why you need training? You don't know the very basics of the subject you want to teach nairaland but get angry when corrected or questioned

I know you will be pissed off and won't learn from this but here goes...


"Hebrew " from old French Ebreu, From Latin Hebraeus, From Greek Hebraios, from Aramaic Ebrai, from Hebrew Ibri meaning "one from the other side(of the Euphrates)

www.etymonline.com/word/hebrew


I guess you know more than linguists and actual Hebrew speakers

Ibẹru means Fear not fearlessness


If you have a product and you don't know your target audience, that product has already failed. Never mind, you have no product, so you have nothing to lose. Plato started the academia and wrote the republic and other works, his students became philosophers and today philosophy is a branch of knowledge in the university. Plato was originally a student of Socrates. Both were not products of any university.

When you have valid knowledge or contributions that can add value or new insight to human development in any sphere of life, patent it and keep the copyright. The University will come to learn from you. That's how its suppose to be. But if you have no clue as to why you are here, the University will teach you what you can do to add meaningful contributions to further human development.

When you produce a good work, launch it, and your readers will become great teachers and recommend your contributions to the ministry of education, and you might be awarded a doctorate degree, honorary caucus. I'm joking, work and improve on your job, many have no content but context, but only few have both content and context. When you do, create a platform to embrace your idea and the academia may take note of your contribution if need be. You are serving humanity, not the academy.

Take away is, there are people that goes to the university, and there are people that the university goes to, hence the university is a school to fan the embers of knowledge in custody of man, not where human knowledge is reduced to trash.

I want to hope you are learning?




grin grin grin anyone who doesn't know better would think you are one of those you say have content and context, but here's the thing you do not live in the 5th century BC you live in the 21st century AD so you cannot pioneer what already exists neither can you dismiss what actual historians say when you are no historian yourself. That is why I said go learn the basics which you obviously lack or if you feel you are above that you should goband challenge them to their face in the history department not nairaland where you cry and then you get pissed when asked for evidence as if you expect same people to take you seriously

Since you have targeted nairaland audience, why do you get angry when your audience ask for evidence to back up your claims?

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:13am On Aug 23, 2018
Who told you,that you are the targeted audience on NairaLand? grin grin cheesy Oh my lord have mercy . The audience is the world and not you. I can see how bittered you feel. On my work, I have on several occassion referenced historians,anthropologist etc and the usage of EMPIRICAL ANALYSIS to buttress my research but hardly do this relevant looking Olaochi( Òlà o sì or Òlà o shì) grin who has never referenced any Yoruba scholar that has categorically stated Yoruba started in West Africa's Southwest Nigeria but self opinion. Non has said so cheesy Why are you pained?. Bantu is associated with many groups in subsahara Africa and is a very large group but unfortunately the pygmies genetic in Bantu is not found in Yoruba, that astounding geneticists have confirmed. Young man, you are the one looking for your identity, I AM NOT.

A liar will always be known as Judas Iscariot was angry grin because, I didn't claim Hebrew land as the solely place of Yorubas but many groups outside West Africa , even with proven linguistic connection.There are Yoruba word, with similar meaning to different ancient Pharaoh's time that Roman empire invaded Egypt. Google the meaning of ‘ blood'. Perhaps your brain will reset properly grin grin grin
Kindly mention people in west Africa or sub sahara Africa with sich linguistic similarities grin

I thank God for your life because you have seen reason to do research so that you can counter me but trust me, YOU will be LOST IN THE ANTLATIC SEA OF KNOWLEDGE grin cheesy . I wish you know that the group you mentioned as Japanese are in the Asia region grin and not in West Africa or subsahara Africa. Shared of one word you mentioned as having Japanese origin,is also closely related to Hebrew's word for ‘WATER' grin . Shogun is also related to Rephaim group in middle east ancestry of Hebrew enclave word for gwg(og). The Bible also mentioned this name too. See your life?

You're the biggest clown on earth grin. Kindly mention the meaning of your Ibo language and see if it is linked grin. The Ibo word, ‘Anu', is similar to Akkadian's ‘Anu', in its meaning but yoruba ‘Anu' is same meaning with Ancient Hebrew's ‘Hannan'or ‘Hanon'. Go figure it . Before Bishop Ajay crowther changed some letters unknowingly, Rev. Samuel Johnson acknowledged it in his book. For instance ‘O' letter was ‘È' letter in the ancient Yoruba time. I think I should expose your knowledge again because ‘Olu' is anciently pronounced as (Èlu),which is the same as Hebrew's ‘Èli' meaning ‘LORD'......You are toooo unstudied to challenge me. grin

Lastly, I have identity but you don't Mr..... . I dare you to post your real Oriki(panegyric) and proof your yorubaness. And if it is a modern day oriki,I will know and unravel you but you WON'T cheesy.





Proudly Oduan

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 12:19pm On Aug 23, 2018
Olu317:
Who told you,that you are the targeted audience on NairaLand? grin grin cheesy Oh my lord have mercy . The audience is the world and not you. I can see how bittered you feel. On my work, I have on several occassion referenced historians,anthropologist etc and the usage of EMPIRICAL ANALYSIS to buttress my research but hardly do this relevant looking Olaochi( Òlà o sì or Òlà o shì) grin who has never referenced any Yoruba scholar that has categorically stated Yoruba started in West Africa's Southwest Nigeria but self opinion. Non has said so cheesy Why are you pained?. Bantu is associated with many groups in subsahara Africa and is a very large group but unfortunately the pygmies genetic in Bantu is not found in Yoruba, that astounding geneticists have confirmed. Young man, you are the one looking for your identity, I AM NOT.

A liar will always be known as Judas Iscariot was angry grin because, I didn't claim Hebrew land as the solely place of Yorubas but many groups outside West Africa , even with proven linguistic connection.There are Yoruba word, with similar meaning to different ancient Pharaoh's time that Roman empire invaded Egypt. Google the meaning of ‘ blood'. Perhaps your brain will reset properly grin grin grin
Kindly mention people in west Africa or sub sahara Africa with sich linguistic similarities grin

I thank God for your life because you have seen reason to do research so that you can counter me but trust me, YOU will be LOST IN THE ANTLATIC SEA OF KNOWLEDGE grin cheesy . I wish you know that the group you mentioned as Japanese are in the Asia region grin and not in West Africa or subsahara Africa. Shared of one word you mentioned as having Japanese origin,is also closely related to Hebrew's word for ‘WATER' grin . Shogun is also related to Rephaim group in middle east ancestry of Hebrew enclave word for gwg(og). The Bible also mentioned this name too. See your life?

You're the biggest clown on earth grin. Kindly mention the meaning of your Ibo language and see if it is linked grin. The Ibo word, ‘Anu', is similar to Akkadian's ‘Anu', in its meaning but yoruba ‘Anu' is same meaning with Ancient Hebrew's ‘Hannan'or ‘Hanon'. Go figure it . Before Bishop Ajay crowther changed some letters unknowingly, Rev. Samuel Johnson acknowledged it in his book. For instance ‘O' letter was ‘È' letter in the ancient Yoruba time. I think I should expose your knowledge again because ‘Olu' is [b]anciently pronounced as (Èlu),[/b]which is the same as Hebrew's ‘Èli' meaning ‘LORD'......You are toooo unstudied to challenge me. grin

Lastly, I have identity but you don't Mr..... . I dare you to post your real Oriki(panegyric) and proof your yorubaness. And if it is a modern day oriki,I will know and unravel you but you WON'T cheesy.



Èmí òmò àrùgbò ìlè Àbìkà lòrùn grin

Proudly Oduan


Baba, e ku ishe.

Abeg, while you are doing your findings & discoveries, abeg, no distort the etymology & historical truth about the prefix of my surname & many other Ife aborigenes.

Olu is different from Elu & vice versa. Olu & Akinkanju are the same while Elu is an entirely different thing with a different meaing tied to history.

In summary, Elu is old Ife for village/quarters hence Ife Mefa, Elu Meje. Abeg baba, a good number of Omo Okunrin & Omo Obinrin Elu read NL and more will in the future, let us not confuse some of them who are not in tune with Ile-Ife cultural history.

Thanks baba.

God bless.

Addendum: ehen, I noticed your diacritics are not very correct. For example your:

‘Èmí òmò àrùgbò ìlè Àbìkà lòrùn’

Your Emi is do mi which gives it the meaning of emi as in life. Emi as in me/I is do re.

Your Omo is wrong. Omo as in child is re re.

Your arugbo is do do do, that has no meaning in Yoruba. Arugbo as in elderly one is ‘re mi mi’.

Your Ile is do do makes no sense either. Ile is re mi.

Your Abika is do do do which is wrong. Abika is re do do.

Now I see all your Yoruba accents are in dodo. Why do you do this?

I automatically thought you were versed in Yoruba when you said I tricked you by not outting accents on Baale (area chief) & Baale (compound head). Now looking at your posts, all of your Yoruba accents are totally wrong. I honestly do not understand sir - how do you talk about being tricked because I did not put accents on two different words but your own accents are totally wrong. Do you just use accents for aesthetics, to appear serious? Why use the diacritics at all if you don’t know how to? It is kind of fraudulent o.

This is bad for the reputation you are trying to build here as a Yoruba schoar.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 12:24pm On Aug 23, 2018
OlaoChi:
cheesy this is just too funny. How is this about me?
At least you know very well that I state facts established and published by recognized institutions and researchers.

Anybody can claim Yoruba came from anywhere, some claim Arab some claim Sudan, some claim Egypt, you can olu claim Hebrew
I like to think we came from the Japanese cheesy

[b]Mizu - Omi - water
Otsuki - Osupa/Osukpa - Moon
Shogun - Ogun - relating to war and military[/b]And many more

So don't say I can't reinvent, I engage in writing adventure fiction and gain inspiration from many cultures and historical events so I know history and I know how to spot fact from fiction, evidence from imagination. I know when I see another fictional imaginative narration grin

There is nothing wrong in relying on historians to learn history, stop trying to be what you are not trained to be.
With this you have already invalidated yourself and your claims establishing yourself to be a fraud, because you do not rely on historians, you just admitted to reinventing history to suit your need for relevance in life

Lmao how am I mean? This is not a big issue, you say Yoruba are Hebrews, I have asked for proof to no end what else do you expect to be called then if not funny clowns? It is not being mean, again if you are diligent we would know by the time you start dropping evidence left and right, even I will join your Hebrew squad cheesy

Also if you intend to share your findings with "kings" *(quite poetic) why are you posting the claims without the evidence and expect sane people to take you seriously?
Since we are dogs on nairaland

Your religion has done you more harm than good, driven you to worshipping the people who started the religion


Trailing you?? Lmao. You wish

Are you hungry for compliments? I don't understand

I just ask for evidence all this emotional outburst is unnecessary

while your experience is sad it is has nothing to do with your lack of scholarship and expertise, that is something you chose, it takes nothing to study and build yourself on the subject, you are not better than those who studied history and Linguistics for years

So distorting Yoruba history is suppose to be your meal ticket? Do not blame unemployment
Neither should you blame the Nigerian people for not purchasing your book when you are not affiliated with any institution. You can volunteer your services to a university department and publish your findings through them or even make use of their journals as your source and seek their support for publishing and distribution, that is what researchers do, you are no researcher if you are afraid of doing this, or maybe you have tried and were rejected

In summary, Reinventing history is not hustling it is wrong

And in that regard how well has it gone for you since 2007 or whenever it was that you started your Hebrew claims?
My advice to engage in academia should not be lost on you if you are really serious.

good for you then. But where is the evidence? We are still on that spot

You see why you need training? You don't know the very basics of the subject you want to teach nairaland but get angry when corrected or questioned

I know you will be pissed off and won't learn from this but here goes...



I guess you know more than linguists and actual Hebrew speakers

Ibẹru means Fear not fearlessness



grin grin grin anyone who doesn't know better would think you are one of those you say have content and context, but here's the thing you do not live in the 5th century BC you live in the 21st century AD so you cannot pioneer what already exists neither can you dismiss what actual historians say when you are no historian yourself. That is why I said go learn the basics which you obviously lack or if you feel you are above that you should goband challenge them to their face in the history department not nairaland where you cry and then you get pissed when asked for evidence as if you expect same people to take you seriously

Since you have targeted nairaland audience, why do you get angry when your audience ask for evidence to back up your claims?


Baba make I add one.

Ruin in English - destroy

Run in Yoruba is - destroy.

We may also have a little bit of Anglo origin o. shocked

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:46pm On Aug 23, 2018
0balufonlll:


Baba, e ku ishe.

Abeg, while you are doing your findings & discoveries, abeg, no distort the etymology & historical truth about the prefix of my surname & many other Ife aborigenes.

Olu is different from Elu & vice versa. Olu & Akinkanju are the same while Elu is an entirely different thing with a different meaing tied to history.

In summary, Elu is old Ife for village/quarters hence Ife Mefa, Elu Meje. Abeg baba, a good number of Omo Okunrin & Omo Obinrin Elu read NL and more will in the future, let us not confuse some of them who are not in tune with Ile-Ife cultural history.

Thanks baba.

God bless.

Addendum: ehen, I noticed your diacritics are not very correct. For example your:

‘Èmí òmò àrùgbò ìlè Àbìkà lòrùn’

Your Emi is do mi which gives it the meaning of emi as in life. Emi as in me/I is do re.

Your Omo is wrong. Omo as in child is re re.

Your arugbobis do do do, that has no meaning in Yoruba. Arugbo as in elderly one is ‘re mi mi’.

Your Ile is do do makes no sense either. Ile is re mi.

Your Abika is do do do which is wrong. Abika is re do do.

Now I see all your Yoruba accents are in dodo. Why do you do this?

I automatically thought you were versed in Yoruba when you said I tricked you by not outting accents on Baale (area chief) & Baale (compound head). Now looking at your posts, all of your Yoruba accents are totally wrong. I honestly do not understand sir - how do you talk about being tricked because I did not put accents on two different words but your own accents are totally wrong. Do you just use accents for aesthetics, to appear serious? Why use the diacritics at all if you don’t know how to? It is kind of fraudulent o.

This is bad for the reputation you are trying to build here as a Yoruba schoar.

Oh no no no no bro. I am ‘Olu' by real name and not just moniker. If you are damn versatile as you feel ,then don't distort. My research is strictly based on my finding. Olu is simply ‘Lord'. How on earth did Akinkanju became same as Olu grin? Study Study and ask Elders. Olu was derived from the name of Lord God,Èl-èdumàrè The Èl is a prefix to the name Èdùmàrè. So please dont paint ILEIFE as if one person own it because it belonged to all bonafide YORUBAS. Have you not seen Èdumàre used severally without the ÈL? Ìlù-,Élù,-Èlu is same everywhere but tongue changes but trust me,the same way you don't know the meaning of Adimula is the same way you can't understand what is greater than you,neither am building anything bad for ancestors. THIS ONE IS GREATER THAN YOU! ,So let me be if you don't have scholarly written books to counter me.
Seek answers from Èlèdümàrè, the maker of mankind and spend your money on research.


Respect bro.
Cheers
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 1:51pm On Aug 23, 2018
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 2:02pm On Aug 23, 2018
Olu317:
Oh no no no no bro. I am ‘Olu' by real name and not just moniker. If you are damn versatile as you feel ,then don't distort. My research is strictly based on my finding. Olu is simply ‘Lord'. How on earth did Akinkanju became same as Olu grin? Study Study and ask Elders. Olu was derived from the name of Lord God,Èl-èdumàrè. The Èl is a pefix to the name Èdùmàrè. So please dont paint ILEIFE as if you own it because it belonged to all bonafide YORUBAS. Have you not seen Èdumàre used severally without the ÈL ? Ìlù-,Élù,-Èlu is same everywhere but tongue changes but trust me,the same way you don't know the meaning of Adimula is the same way you can't understand what is greater than you. THIS ONE IS GREATER THAN YOU!
Seek answers from Èlèdümàrè, the maker of mankind and spend your money on research.


Cheers



I can go on & on with an appropriate response but man’s busy.

When are you going to address the false accents you are using on Yoruba words? cheesy.

Cheers.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:31pm On Aug 23, 2018
0balufonlll:


I can go on & on with an appropriate response but man’s busy.

When are you going to address the false accents you are using on Yoruba words? cheesy.

Cheers.
False accents? You make me laugh. Kindly ,get this off your medulla Oblongata because there is nothing like false accents. Infact, Yoruba language became documented through Ajayi Crowther between 1830s -1840s .The Oyo dialect was the pioneer dialect that was used to rearranged the spoken and written Yoruba language that became acceptable within purview of Yoruba world. And there is and was no spoken YORUBA DIALECTS,that is or was substandard,because Yoruba is a Continuum language
So,bro like I had mentioned earlier ,you have no clue about Yoruba history.In as much as I have made references to many scholars work that saw migrants status of Yoruba, then let it rest. There is a linguistic connection,so also ritual connection.The only thing I will advice you to do, is to fold your hands and read through my posts, if you are comfortable but you feel uncomfortable then bypass them all.

I am sure you have knowlwdge on the recent scientific genetic study that claimed Yoruba had a ghost 8% of unknown ancestors that is referred to SPECIES of HOMO HEIDELBERGENSIS. So Yoruba history is bigger than just your opinion or mine. There is a well established account of Yoruba dialects that canbe found on the web.

So,kindly, visit places and you will understand that accents exists among the different yoruba groups.


Cheers.

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