oyb:

^^^


this is what i am saying.we have some people who do not know better constantly clamoring for 'bloody revolutions'

in the event that nigeria has a 'bloody revolution'

we will have in addition to wanton ra-pe of women (only one of the nasty outcomes/fallout)
child soldiers
psychotic paramilitaries headed by bloodthirsty warlords
millions of displaced nigerians as refugees within and without nigeria
all loving captured on tv by CNN
blood oil

kapish?

lol . . . . I am not one of those who believe in this barbaric nonsense we call revolution in africa. ****shudders***

Nigerians fathering kids in Liberia

yet we agree it was through rape? COuldnt they have been in relationships with these women?

In the refugee camp in oru Ogun State, Nigerian men went there and married a lot of the Liberians. So what stops the men from having relationship with the local women and have babies.

There might have been cases of ra-pe which should be investigated and culprits punished

dayokanu:

Nigerians fathering kids in Liberia

yet we agree it was through despoil? COuldnt they have been in relationships with these women?

In the refugee camp in oru Ogun State, Nigerian men went there and married a lot of the Liberians. So what stops the men from having relationship with the local women and have babies.

There might have been cases of ra-pe which should be investigated and culprits punished

Who here has definitively stated all where through ra-pe?

^^ Why are we accusing them of rape when the article said fathered, Is ra-pe the only way to father babies?

dayokanu:

^^ Why are we accusing them of despoil when the article said fathered, Is ra-pe the only way to father babies?

Sure, some of the men could have engaged in relationships with these women but there is no doubt that our peacekeeping team have not all been SAINTS. Like I said in an earlier post, since these allegations have been made as far back as 1990, it makes sense to investigate these incidents to find out which were as a result of ra-pe, and make sure to purge our ranks of these imbe-ciles from hence forth.
Someone mentioned that Soldiers and peacekeepers around the world do it too, and that is a fact BUT the problem here is our cases have never really been investigated as seriously as, say, cases involving American soldiers or European soldiers have.

The article certainly does not address the issue of the kind of relationships the men engaged in but these acts are generally frowned upon. There are several cases of UN officers being sent packing for impregnating local women they were supposed to be protecting. People in war zones are generally considered fragile and the men are advised not to take advantage of them. Even offering women food for sex is frowned upon. There have been reports in places like bosnia of peacekeeping teams helping fuel the child trafficking business in the region for prostitution purposes.

Again, this is not about demonizing the men(as someone foolishly tried to make this), but abot making sure that those of our men who committed war crimes(ra-pe or exploitation ) against those who they were supposed to be protecting, are brought to justice.

oyb:

^^^




this is what i am saying.we have some people who do not know better constantly clamoring for 'bloody revolutions'

in the event that nigeria has a 'bloody revolution'

we will have in addition to wanton ra-pe of women (only one of the nasty outcomes/fallout)
child soldiers
psychotic paramilitaries headed by bloodthirsty warlords
millions of displaced nigerians as refugees within and without nigeria
all loving captured on tv by CNN
blood oil

kapish?

Pick your battles carefully com gutter or I will violate your privacy and open your poo right here. It surprises me that the ones waiting a peaceful war monger to save Nigeria are allies of corrupt politicians or aspiring to join the corrupt system. Revolution it whether you scared niggaz like it or not. Many nations has gone through quiet revolution simply because it was well planned. Revolution is the only way the people can reassert power when the system is oppressing them. Yes I stand behind a bloody revolution that bring all Nigerians to stone the politicians out of office. I stand by that and I ain't backing out you fool. It surprises me that no one is suspicious of a fool that detests revolution but make posts images of beautiful 1% of Nigeria and posts about the 1% good of a 99% evil government. Your shiiiit stinks poo poo head. I hope you are 40 like the rest of the scared niggaz. No surprise most of them live in heated houses in winter and cooled homes in summer. You hear what your politicians do everyday, you've seen the convicted corrupt politician get back into the system. And you still want a peaceful demonstration. Dude back off my shiiit or I will iolate your privacy you've been warned.

This is almost the population of Luxembourg. I trust soldiers their razor blade is sharper then the nacent(those once made in china). Make them bring them home jare we need population. Chei but person fit loot him cousin or sister sef without knowing.

If you papa na soldier ask question well well before taking any gyl home.

My people say "ebe nwa siri loo uwa ya hiri"

presido1:

This is almost the population of Luxembourg. I trust soldiers their razor blade is sharper then the nacent(those once made in china). Make them bring them home jare we need population. Chei but person fit loot him cousin or sister sef without knowing.

If you papa na soldier ask question well well before taking any gyl home.

My people say "ebe nwa siri loo uwa ya hiri"

Hahahahahahahhaahahahah

presido1:

This is almost the population of Luxembourg. I trust soldiers their razor blade is sharper then the nacent(those once made in china). Make them bring them home jare we need population. Chei but person fit loot him cousin or sister sef without knowing.

If you papa na soldier ask question well well before taking any gyl home.

My people say "ebe nwa siri loo uwa ya hiri"

Very funny

Any NLer that had a male family member recruited to Liberia for this war should immediately go and look for their relatives.

dayokanu, I'm sure that you have 8 brothers/sisters in Liberia waiting to meet you

EzeUche:

why u dey laugh? I lie abi you no be nwa afor?

Ileke-IdI:

Any NLer that had a male family member recruited to Liberia for this war should immediately go and look for their relatives.

dayokanu, I'm sure that you have 8 brothers/sisters in Liberia waiting to meet you

I hear say Ekiti soldiers plenty for the batallion sent to Monrovia and i saw one chick that looks like you last time i went to liberia.

presido1, you sure no be your own image you dey stare at? What did I tell you about staring at a mirror after 5 gallons of palmwine?

The fish rots from the head, goes an old Italian saying. Guess who was at the helm of Nigeria during this lawless period. Ibrahim Babangida (1985 – 1993) and Sani Abacha (1993 – 1998), those were who. Nigerian soldiers have served in numerous international conflicts, and have come home with nothing but accolades and worldwide recognition.  They served with distinction in both World Wars, The Congo, Iraq, to name a few. But when Coyotes took over of the hen house, all bets were off.  Now, the shamed dividents are rolling in.

9jaganja:

Pick your battles carefully com gutter or I will violate your privacy and open your poo right here. It surprises me that the ones waiting a peaceful war monger to save Nigeria are allies of corrupt politicians or aspiring to join the corrupt system. Revolution it whether you scared niggaz like it or not. Many nations has gone through quiet revolution simply because it was well planned. Revolution is the only way the people can reassert power when the system is oppressing them. Yes I stand behind a bloody revolution that bring all Nigerians to stone the politicians out of office. I stand by that and I ain't backing out you fool. It surprises me that no one is suspicious of a fool that detests revolution but make posts images of beautiful 1% of Nigeria and posts about the 1% good of a 99% evil government. Your shiiiit stinks poo poo head. I hope you are 40 like the rest of the scared niggaz. No surprise most of them live in heated houses in winter and cooled homes in summer. You hear what your politicians do everyday, you've seen the convicted corrupt politician get back into the system. And you still want a peaceful demonstration. Dude back off my shiiit or I will iolate your privacy you've been warned.

i keep telling you, go easy on that weed - are you sure your supplier hasn't been cutting it with something else - you are definitely coming off as crazier than usual.
seem's  you've been stalking me through the internet 

or perhaps you wan to sink even lower than your neurotic compatriot - the  whose only answer to everything is Gas you and your family

pathetic cretin

if the bullets start flying, people like you will be the first to jump ship

internet revolutionary

oyb:

seems you

i keep telling you, go easy on that weed - are you sure your supplier hasn't been cutting it with something else - you are dfinetely coming off as crazier than usual.
seem's you've been stalking me through the internet

or perhaps you wan to sink even lower than your neurotic compatriot - the whose only answer to everything is Gas you and your family

pathetic cretin

if the bullets start flying, people like you will be the first to jump ship

internet revolutionary -

like you dont know that most of them are just noise makers. . . .i dont get carried away anytime i see them talking about secesion or whatever besides most of them stay abroad,so their best wishes is to see nigeria in crisis.rubbish

250,000 kids, ummm. had to believe.

This a way to con Nigeria!

why cant Nigerians, a nation of 419 smell a good fraud.

Soon, they will allocate millions $ to take care of these 'invincible kids' in Liberia.

How many Nigerians soliders deployed to Liberia? Has anyone care to find out?

Liberia has 2.5million people around that time. are you saying Nigeria Boyz added extra 250,000?

There was Olurin, the General who, according to reports, personally led assaults against the NPFL during its Operation Octopus. It was he who defeated Taylor's mostly ambitious military plan financed by Libya, Cote D'Ivoire and Burkina Faso to install the rebel chief president of Liberia

The first group of Nigerian commanders were indeed exemplary men who instilled trust in many Liberians left to an uncertain fate that things would again be fine, that life would retake its normality despite the spreading chaos and insanity. There was Joshua Dogonyaro, a towering, firm, dedicated soldier who reminded one of a Clint Eastwood's good guys, bad guys movies. I remember seeing him in a Nigerian gunboat in 1990 on our way to Monrovia. As the first Force Commander of the force, he quickly ensured that NPFL rebels were pushed out of the city, enabling citizens to move freely and resume basic activities

Instead for us to praise our boyz, we blow some baseless CRAPS.

9000 peacekeepers from 1990 thru 2004?

I feel sad when some perceived responsible people make claims that are not true and paint them to be true. Nigeria went into Liberia in 1990 making it 20 years today. At that time it was total war to gain a foothole to dislodge the rebels from the Freeport of Monrovia and restore law and order. That time was not a time for any soldier to father a child. from 1990 to 1992 things were pretty difficult because Operation Octopus was on by Charles Taylor NPFL to capture Monrovia. By 1993 things relaxed and if we are to take a statistic of Nigerian soldiers then in the operation it was about 11,000. let us assume 10% of them had affairs with Liberian women (which was not the case) which resulted to pregnancy and birth after a year. We will have 1,100 children. If 1,100 children are delivered per year for 20 years we shall have 22,000 children which is the worst case scenario. This proves that the claim of 250,000 children fathered by gallant Nigerian Soldiers who left the shores of their country to project Nigerian foreign policy objective and safe life of other West African brothers is not true. Please I will strongly advice the government to stop the planned jamboree visit to Liberia as it is simple waste of our precious tax payers money. They are to be prosecuted for misleading the public if they cannot prove their claim. The Nigerian Army is a discipline organisation that has made its mark in Peace Keeping and Peace Enforcement. For a Director-General of the Directorate of Technical Cooperation in Africa (DTCA) to make such a revelation to the House of Representatives Committee on Diaspora is highly misleading and treasonable. He should be made to prove his statement or resign. He should be escorted to Liberia here to come and trace the 250,000 children and if he can not he should be made to refund all the expenses incurred and prosecuted. It is time we stop all this fake Doctorate Degree holders from occupying sensitive offices only to abandon the objective of their office and start making false claims.the Committee on Diaspora should not go anywhere on any useless fact-finding mission, because there is no fact to be found. There Data base is fraudulent and wrong if it ever exist.Liberia is just 4.5 million people. Nigerian soldiers deserve praises for bringing peace to Liberia and not this trash.

It takes less than 10 minutes to impregnate a woman 
we are talking over a 5 year period at least abi?
200 virile men can do that job with both hands tied behind their backs

Liberian women love them a nigerian man. i can share my experiences.

i a war situation, a woman would rather use wat she has to get wat she wants from a peacekeeping soldier than risk being raped/drafted to being one of the numerous bedmates for the rebel soldier.

Interesting comments.

must_a_far:

Liberian women love them a nigerian man. i can share my experiences.

i a war situation, a woman would rather use wat she has to get wat she wants from a peacekeeping soldier than risk being despoiled/drafted to being one of the numerous bedmates for the rebel soldier.

Interesting, and the peacekeepers who take advantage of this sexually are what? Not sexploiting the desperate women?

why solely write it all off as the women being desparate. are you saying theres no chance that these women would not willingly want to have a soldier as a partner in normal times? would your stand have been different had these soldier returned to their bases with these women as wives and the children they bore for them?

dont get me wrong, im not throwing out the possibility and actually instances of soldiers having exploited the situation, but ascribing that to everyone of them is painting all with the same brush. i have first hand stories from liberians who witnessed the war and told stories of things happening and not basing it on articles i read online.

must_a_far:

why solely write it all off as the women being desparate. are you saying theres no chance that these women would not willingly want to have a soldier as a partner in normal times? would your stand have been different had these soldier returned to their bases with these women as wives and the children they bore for them?

peacekeepers engaging in sex acts with women, and children in war zones is frowned upon by the UN. Desperate people in those times will go to any lengths to get what they need, you made that statement, not I. Of course there may be those who are not desperate but that should not negate the fact that
a) These peacekeepers who are usually out there representing their countries and the UN are advised against such involvement with those they are there to protect
b) People in desperate times will do even that which goes against their morals to stay alive

I mean even in Iraq, there are women and children who will give in to sexploitation by soldiers to stay alive or feed their children one more day but do you realize how much image damage US soldiers involved in such have wrought the nation as a whole since the war started? The women are not blamed; In most all the cases, the soldiers were stripped of their ranks, some sent home and discharged.
Of course some of them would return and all but that would not change the fact that they were against orders at the end of the day.

must_a_far:

dont get me wrong, im not throwing out the possibility and actually instances of soldiers having exploited the situation, but ascribing that to everyone of them is painting all with the same brush. i have first hand stories from liberians who witnessed the war and told stories of things happening and not basing it on articles i read online.

No one has yet to ascribe it to everyone. I have so far stated that there were and area cases of ra-pe and sexploitation during the peacekeeping missions. The UN frowns upon these peacekeepers engaging with their wards in such a manner and that is what it is.
I also have first hand stories from Liberians now living in America who tell of how they had to play whatever card they could to get themselves and loved ones out. Some went as far as to offer themselves to get favors too. Do you think those who had to were HAPPY offering themselves up?
PBS has some videos of stories on the liberian crisis and stories told by those who did all they could but still could not escape the attrocities.

Kobojunkie:

peacekeepers engaging in sex acts with women, and children in war zones is frowned upon by the UN. Desperate people in those times will go to any lengths to get what they need, you made that statement, not I. Of course there may be those who are not desperate but that should not negate the fact that a) These peacekeepers who are usually out there representing their countries and the UN are advised against such involvement with those they are there to protect
b) People in desperate times will do even that which goes against their morals to stay alive

I mean even in Iraq, there are women and children who will give in to sexploitation by soldiers to stay alive or feed their children one more day but do you realize how much image damage US soldiers involved in such have wrought the nation as a whole since the war started? The women are not blamed; In most all the cases, the soldiers were stripped of their ranks, some sent home and discharged.
Of course some of them would return and all but that would not change the fact that they were against orders at the end of the day.
No one has yet to ascribe it to everyone. I have so far stated that there were and area cases of ra-pe and sexploitation during the peacekeeping missions. The UN frowns upon these peacekeepers engaging with their wards in such a manner and that is what it is.
I also have first hand stories from Liberians now living in America who tell of how they had to play whatever card they could to get themselves and loved ones out. Some went as far as to offer themselves to get favors too. Do you think those who had to were HAPPY offering themselves up?
PBS has some videos of stories on the liberian crisis and stories told by those who did all they could but still could not escape the attrocities.

where did i say the women were desparate and desparate people make desparate choices. im not saying its not frowned against by the UN or the US army and what not. but throwing out the fact that natural forces didnt lead to these unions doesnt hold as well. you paint a picture that all decision they made was under duress or out of necessity with no chance of them making such decision if it were peace time.


yeah and i expected you to say you have first hand stories as well.

If they were raped, then its bad, If they had babies as a result of relationships with Nigerian soldiers I dont see whats bad in that.

People date for different reasons, The women might have found Naija men attractive, sleek, a symbol of power or a means to get out of Liberia.

Millions marry and have relationships for any of the above reasons

@Topic
If they spent all that time siring children, what time did they have fighting the enemies?

Or did the objective assigned our soldiers change somewhere along the line? If that is the case, it will be hard to blame these soldiers. We cant be absolutely sure of the inner working of the man (IBB) who sent them to Liberia.

Who knows what would have happened if they had stayed a little while longer. Half their population would have been speaking Igbo or Hausa

must_a_far:

where did i say the women were desparate and desparate people make desparate choices.

must_a_far:

i a war situation, a woman would rather use wat she has to get wat she wants from a peacekeeping soldier than risk being despoiled/drafted to being one of the numerous bedmates for the rebel soldier.

must_a_far:

im not saying its not frowned against by the UN or the US army and what not. but throwing out the fact that natural forces didnt lead to these unions doesnt hold as well. you paint a picture that all decision they made was under duress or out of necessity with no chance of them making such decision if it were peace time.

I never painted such a picture. I simply stated to this point the following, again,

a) Peacekeepers could lose their offices for engaging in such acts with those in their wards. . . there are reports of such happening in other countries, maybe not in Nigeria which is sad.  . .

b)Peacekeepers have been fingered in the ra-pe and exploitation of woman and children who they are supposed to be taking care of  . .  there are numerous cases of this out there

c) Fraternizing in sexual ways with those under one's charge is seriously frowned upon by the UN. In essence, no matter what the natural forces involved, you are advised to exercise SELF CONTROL ALL THE TIMES while you are on mission as a peacekeeper for the UN.

Let us think deep about these things please. If this sort of news broke about US/Italian/German/Spanish/Australian  soldiers(note this has nothing to do with me claiming you are anti-west or anything of the sort) in Afghanistan or Iraq in years to come, do you think these countries will not have some serious image rework to do? Bush as president had to apologize for a single ra-pe/exploitation case at one time or so. It was a huge huge deal.  I bet you and others here claiming Natural forces would be up in arms, calling them stupid for it. It is equally stupid for our men to get involved in much the same way.

Worse yet, if these were Nigerian women and children involved with Liberian soldiers here would you also put forth the same excuses?

must_a_far:

yeah and i expected you to say you have first hand stories as well.

Dude, you are not the only one surrounded by Liberians. . .  we have them here too and they, likely other folks, tell their story of how they left, and what they had to do so many years ago.

you are moving ur argument away from the soldiers commiting attrocities to them going against UN or army laws which frown on fraternizing. I agree that fraternizing puts the troops in danger but are their fraternizing ways considered attrocities if it isnt done under duress? i think they two different things.

must_a_far:

you are moving your argument away from the soldiers commiting attrocities to them going against UN or army laws which frown on fraternizing.

Did you somehow skip point 2 and then point 3 there?

b)Peacekeepers have been implicated in the ra-pe and exploitation of woman and children who they are supposed to be taking care of  . .  there are numerous cases of this out there

c) Fraternizing in sexual ways with those under one's charge is seriously frowned upon by the UN. In essence, no matter what the natural forces involved, you are advised to exercise SELF CONTROL ALL THE TIMES while you are on mission as a peacekeeper for the UN.

Yes, our soldiers were involved in ra-ping of women and children. Yes, our soldiers have been accused of sex-ploiting those who they were assigned to protect. How many of those guilty have been punished to date? Are these atrocities not war crimes? Heck, how many of our SAINTLY soldiers who have been fingered in rape, child abuse etc right there in Nigeria have been prosecuted? To say that Nigerian soldiers were not involve is to tell a boldfaced crack lie. Are they not frowned upon as well by the UN? I am not certain what has really changed in what I have been saying all this while considering NOTHING HAS.

must_a_far:

I agree that fraternizing puts the troops in danger but are their fraternizing ways considered attrocities if it isnt done under duress? i think they two different things.

Fraternizing puts the troops in Danger?   So, never mind that that is not even the main reason for the call that they DESIST from it, that is what you want to see this as? So, those who fraternize and are discharged as a result only suffer for their putting their own selves at risk?
Dude, read what the rule says. Your version there is not what this is about. Fraternizing is FROWNED upon. You do it, you get jailed or are discharged. That is what happens in many other countries.

ok fraternizing simply means getting sexual with the local population right. fraternizing with the hope of building trust with the locals is war crimes as well. you seem to be construing some of the things i said to mean things i didnt say. fraternizing as used by me doesnt solely mean with the women, and for sexual reasons.

because you put points up means what, you are zeroing ur idea of them fraternizing to it simply being sexual. you say it like they only fraternized with the female portion of the population. my use of the word fraternize is not solely to represent their relationship with the female locals.

my reason for saying it puts the troops in danger is because even if theres no sex involved, said local(male or female) could be spying and supplying the rebel forces with intel (even when the fraternizing is done to build trust)

we are obviously looking at this from different sides of things.

must_a_far:

ok fraternizing simply means getting sexual with the local population right. fraternizing with the hope of building trust with the locals is war crimes as well. you seem to be construing some of the things i said to mean things i didnt say. fraternizing as used by me doesnt solely mean with the women, and for sexual reasons.

Fraternizing alone is encouraged . . . fraternizing to the extent of getting sexual is frowned upon. You can be friendly but STAY AWAY FROM engaging in sexual acts with them. Even in cases of "natural forces", they are called to exercise self control. That is part of their training.

must_a_far:

because you put points up means what, you are zeroing your idea of them fraternizing to it simply being sexual.

WHAT? ROFLMAO!!!
Are you somehow suggesting that the soldiers also probably artificially inseminated the women? ROFLMAO!!

must_a_far:

you say it like they only fraternized with the female portion of the population. my use of the word fraternize is not solely to represent their relationship with the female locals.

And don't get me wrong, this is not all entirely about the female portion of the population. I would not find it hard to believe that some of the men had their way with other men and boys too. My point is, this is about the sexual angle here. All examples I have given to this point have stressed the sexual angle involved in these relationships. That is what is frowned upon. 

must_a_far:

my reason for saying it puts the troops in danger is because even if theres no sex involved, said local(male or female) could be spying and supplying the rebel forces with intel (even when the fraternizing is done to build trust)
we are obviously looking at this from different sides of things.

I am looking at the possibility of this being potential evidence that some of our men were sexually involved with those who were under their ward, and how some of the children could have been product of atrocities committed against the mothers by peacekeepers as has been recorded over and over in so many other places, even liberia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6195830.stm