budaatum:


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Maynman:

Jesus message was straightforward, and his yoke/yoga is easy indeed, his whole message is summarized in john 15:17.

budaatum:


Can't say it's "easy indeed" though, since it's not what is learnt by most despite all its teaching in just about every religion worth its salt.

Maynman:


In John 3:16, the son that God begets is the SPIRIT. This is supported by two points:
(1)God is a spirit (John 4:24).
(2)Spirit begets spirit (John 3:6).
Accordingly, the only offspring of God is the SPIRIT, not Jesus, the son of Mary....

Dtruthspeaker:


Even when you know that born of flesh includes sex and sperm of a man but you saw Jesus born of The Spirit with no sex not sperm!

When God comes to avenge Himself of all people like you, you will definitely regret that you ever were born and made to read.

Maynman:

Yeah, I think people find it easier to believe someone died for their sins than to actually love their neighbor.

Maynman:


Jesus, son of Mary, is dead and gone, he has done the works that his father gave him.

budaatum:


Many would rather others be responsible for them and their actions than they be responsible for themselves and their actions. Guess that's why some are here being responsible by teaching them to be responsible for themselves.

Dtruthspeaker:


Like you have done the work of Satan your father and like your father, Revelation 20:10 is coming for you.

Maynman:

💯, Reminds me of an article I wrote about the Crowd, "The more you become one with the crowd, the less your feeling of responsibility and answerability."
https://www.nairaland.com/7881371/crowd

budaatum:


Years ago we used to illustrate it with Plato's allegory of the Cave. It correctly describes why Jesus got crucified, which is one reason I prefer smarter Buddha for not 'dying for anyone', though I must recognise that a society struggling to understand the Bible can not possibly be ready for the copious amount of Dhamma that exists.

Maynman:

The society has been indoctrinated with the ceramic way of life, that's, in thinking the universe was molded by a Potter, Buddha's teaching will rattle the society especially the West.

budaatum:


It already has. Church of England schools have been teaching Buddhism (and Hinduism and Islam amongst others) for decades now and don't indoctrinate with belief anymore. We are just waiting for the teachings to be exported to the masses elsewhere.

Maynman:

"The earliest Christian writings, the Pauline epistles, do not contain any mention of a virgin birth and assume Jesus's full humanity, stating that he was "born of a woman" like any other human being and "born under the law" like any Jew."

Dtruthspeaker:


Change of Post.

Maynman:

Awesome.

budaatum:


You must not forgive me for saying "sitting on a bud". Lol.

You and I must someday review how our relationship got where it's currently at so we may learn for the future.

5 Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.
6 The only life people get from their human parents is physical. But the new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.
7 Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.” - John 3 vs 5 - 8

21 Jesus said, “Believe me, woman! The time is coming when you will not have to be in Jerusalem or on this mountain to worship the Father.
22 You Samaritans worship something you don’t understand. We Jews understand what we worship since salvation comes from the Jews.
23 But the time is coming when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. That time is now here. And these are the kind of people the Father wants to be his worshipers.
24 God is spirit. So the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” - John 4 vs 21 - 24

6 So water[a] came up from the earth and spread over the ground.
7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and made a man. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. - Genesis 2 vs 6 - 7

Kobojunkie:
Premise #1: The only life people get from their human parents— human father and human mother — is physical — flesh and blood alone.
Premise #2: The new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.

Premise #3: God is Spirit
Also, in Genesis 2 we are told that flesh and blood were created by God who is Spirit.

Jesus Christ is written to have been born of both human and Spirit parents so clearly, a more logical conclusion that should follow is that Jesus Christ, having one human parent and one Spirit parent must have come as both flesh, blood, and spirit.

Kobojunkie:

Jesus Christ was referred to as both Son of man and Son of man to indicate that not only was he born of a human but also of God's Spirit.

Kobojunkie:

Premise #3(a): God is Spirit
Premise #3(b): God who is Spirit, in Genesis 2, created flesh and blood.

10 Jesus said, “You are an important teacher of Israel, and you still don’t understand these things?
11 The truth is, we talk about what we know. We tell about what we have seen. But you people don’t accept what we tell you.
12 I have told you about things here on earth, but you do not believe me. So I’m sure you will not believe me if I tell you about heavenly things!
13 The only one who has ever gone up to heaven is the one who came down from heaven—the Son of Man. - John 3 vs 10 - 13

11 “This command that I give you today is not too hard for you. It is not a secret hidden in some far away land.
12 This command is not in heaven so that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us and bring it to us, so that we can hear and do it?’
13 This command is not on the other side of the sea so that you should say, ‘Who will go across the sea for us and bring it to us, so that we can hear it and do it?’
14 No, the word is very near to you. It is in your mouth and your heart. So you can obey it.- Deuteronomy 30 vs 11 - 12

Kobojunkie:

Jesus Christ didn't say He came down from Heaven as a Son of man— spotting flesh and blood. Rather He said the only one who has ever gone up to heaven — who also wears the title Son of Man— is the same one who came down from Heaven. What Jesus Christ said in John 3 vs 13 is in response to the question hinted at by God in Deuteronomy 30 and Proverbs 30:4.

31 “The one who comes from above is greater than all others. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth. He talks about things that are on the earth. But the one who comes from heaven is greater than all others.
32 He tells what he has seen and heard, but people don’t accept what he says.
33 Whoever accepts what he says has given proof that God speaks the truth.
34 God sent him, and he tells people what God says. God gives him the Spirit fully.
35 The Father loves the Son and has given him power over everything.
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. But those who do not obey the Son will never have that life. They cannot get away from God’s anger.” - John 3 vs 31 - 36

10 Jesus said, “You are an important teacher of Israel, and you still don’t understand these things?
11 The truth is, we talk about what we know. We tell about what we have seen. But you people don’t accept what we tell you.
12 I have told you about things here on earth, but you do not believe me. So I’m sure you will not believe me if I tell you about heavenly things!
13 The only one who has ever gone up to heaven is the one who came down from heaven—the Son of Man. - John 3 vs 10 - 13

Kobojunkie:

14 The Word became a man and lived among us. We saw his divine greatness—the greatness that belongs to the only Son of the Father. The Word was full of grace and truth.
15 John told people about him. He said loudly, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘The one who is coming after me is greater than I am, because he was living before I was even born.’”
16 Yes, the Word was full of grace and truth, and from him we all received one blessing after another.
17 That is, the law was given to us through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son is the one who has shown us what God is like. He is himself God and is very close to the Father. - John 1 vs 14 - 18

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me.
7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father too. But now you know the Father. You have seen him.” - John 14 vs 6

Kobojunkie:
Grace or Eternal Life comes by way of the Spirit of Life while Truth is a reference to the Spirit of Truth which John is said to have revealed Jesus was full of — already had in Him.

Jesus Christ confirmed what John said when He revealed that He was the embodiment of God's Truth(Spirit of Truth) and Life(Spirit of Eternal Life) in addition to the spirit of God's Law aka the Way.

NNTR:

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"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

Absolutely spot on, and what I've all along have harped on about, hence the reason why I liked the post.

Yes, "exerchomai" is the Greek original word translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from Jesus proceeded forth and came from.

Though Jesus was God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to, instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, His Son

God can send Himself, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ. God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him.

Its often said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God looked for someone who could build walls or looked for someone to stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one and so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself by sending Himself to carry out the redemptive work.

This will explain what the bible said and/or is saying about "begotten" The word translated as "begotten", is the greek word "monogene" "Monogene", means, one and only or better still, one of a kind

Now the word "monogene", is a combination of the root words: "mono" (one or only) and "genos" (of a class or kind) hence "begotten", in the context, or "monogene" in the context means "the only of its kind"

Now, "monogene" occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac, and that is where and when Isaac was referred to, as only son, even when Abraham already had an older son, Ishmael

Isaac was unique, was one and only or one of a kind son. Unique in the sense that, an impotent man and menopaused woman had a child, the promised son, Isaac (i.e. child in a class of its own, this miracle never again has been repeated)

To just clear each other, "begotten" in the Jesus' context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Jesus wasn't discussing symbolism, but He actually was stating a brutal fact about human being births, and thereafter went to mention the two criteria for a human being needed to enter the kingdom of Heaven.

'Born of water' figuratively speaking, is talking of water breaking, and refers to the breaking of the amniotic sac, which surrounds the baby and where the sac, contains amniotic fluid.

When this fluid in pregnant women's wombs, that surrounds a baby, passes and comes out of their bodies, it is indicating that the baby is ready to be born.

So that's exactly what born of water means. Birth. It doesnt mean, as you claim, baptized in water, because of the fact that, the baby in the first place, isnt or wasn't dipped into water

Nicodemus and Jesus are talking of births here. Nicodemus was talking of actual physical birth, while Jesus went beyond and above, to talk of not just only definite physical birth alone but also of actual spiritual birth as well too

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Kobojunkie:

So, exactly what is the identity of the Spirit that came upon Jesus Christ and rested on Him after He was baptized? Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves by concluding that Jesus Christ had no spirit in Him until a spirit arrived and rested instead on him after he was baptized?

NNTR:

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