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PrincewithGod:
Once saved, forever saved is the message here, I guess. So you are saying once we are saved, because the righteousness of Christ covers us we should continue in sin?

Not so. Receiving God's abundance of grace and His gift of righteousness to us in Christ is not a license to continue in sin. God's word says this is the Way to live in triumph over sin and death: Romans 5-

16 “And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins. 17 For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and His gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one Man, Jesus Christ.”

The vilest offender who believes gets to be transformed to live right by the power of the Holy Spirit. But antichrist pastors follow the example of the religious Pharisees who rejected Christ by preaching dependence on human effort (the arm of flesh that will fail) in the bid to attain righteousness and salvation. We often forget that the Pharisees were not people who could not wait for their synagogue service to finish so that they could rush out to fornicate and break the Law. They were very strict with their observance of the Law, just like many churchgoers today, but Christ called them "brood of vipers." They could not enjoy Christ's salvation. What happened to them is still happening to religious people who think they can keep and attempt to keep the Law that kills in order to be right with God today:

"For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace." Galatians 5:4.

This does not make sense to the logical mind because the message of Christ is "foolishness to those who are perishing" (1 Corinthians 1:18). It is foolishness to people who think their puny efforts at keeping the Law counts one jot towards their right-standing with God.

Paul and the early Christians were also accused of preaching that it is okay to sin because of Grace as you are doing - see this in Romans 3:7-8-

7 "But," someone might still argue, “how can God condemn me as a sinner if my dishonesty highlights His truthfulness and brings Him more glory?” 8 And some people even slander us by claiming that we say, “The more we sin, the better it is!” Those who say such things deserve to be condemned."

See the TPT: "7 So, if my lie brings into sharp contrast the brightness of God’s truth, and if my lie accentuates His glory, then why should I be condemned as a sinner? 8 Is it proper for us to sin, just so we can be forgiven? May it never be! Yet there are some who slander us and claim that is what we teach. They deserve to be condemned for even saying it!"

Paul goes on to say of God in verse 26-28 of the same chapter-

"26...for He himself is fair and just, and He makes sinners right in His sight when they believe in Jesus. 27 Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. 28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law."

Like many religious churchgoers today, the religious people of Paul's time heard this and could not understand how a person could be righteous before God without obeying the law. So they falsely accused Paul of preaching that it is okay to be sinning anyhow because of Grace- just as you are doing!

Salvation in Christ entails believing that Christ was crucified for our sins and He was raised from the dead. But what is the purpose of Christ's crucifixion and His ressurection? See this in Romans 4:25-

"who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous."

See the TPT- "Jesus was handed over to be crucified for the forgiveness of our sins and was raised back to life to prove that He had made us right with God!"

Christ was crucified because of our sins. God raised Him from the dead TO PROVE THAT we have been declared righteous. To believe that one's sins are still hanging unpaid somewhere or that one still has to do certain things like keep the Ten Commandments by human effort in order to be righteous before God is to deny the death and resurrection of Christ. This is to deny Christ! Antichrist. This is even very foolish - for a human being to think he can keep a jot of God's Law by using the arm of flesh (human effort) that will fail when God says he cannot: Paul said it well in Romans 7:18-

“"For I know that nothing good lives within the flesh of my fallen humanity. The longings to do what is right are within me, but will-power is not enough to accomplish it."

God's word says human effort (the arm of flesh) will fail, is powerless and cannot. But Pride in the arm of flesh (human effort at obedience) that will fail says:

"No, I can. God must be wrong. I still have some good in me. I can keep the law and resist temptation to commit sin.”

Reminds one of Peter telling Jesus that He was wrong when He told him of his upcoming denials Like Peter, what we have of our own human effort are good intentions. One popular song says "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Remember Peter seemed to be making good on his promise to not deny Jesus at first — he slashed off someone's ear when the soldiers came to arrest Jesus in Gethsemane, ready to defend Christ. Then his circumstances changed and he sang a different tune…three times.

Many among us don't yet realise that the reason why we are not committing particular sins is because God did not allow us to get tempted beyond what we can bear in those areas of our "strength." See 1 Corinthians 10:12-13:

"12 So beware if you think it could never happen to you, lest your pride becomes your downfall. 13 We all experience times of testing, which is normal for every human being. But God will be faithful to you. He will screen and filter the severity, nature, and timing of every test or trial you face so that you can bear it. And each test is an opportunity to trust Him more, for along with every trial God has provided for you a way of escape that will bring you out of it victoriously."

If God lifted His restraining hand that restrains us from sins, we would all be wallowing in heinous sins by now.
Our success at doing the right thing has got nothing to do with our strong moral resolve or non-existent prowess at keeping the Ten Commandments for the purpose of morality after we got saved. Paul addressed this in Romans 1 where a group who “suppress the truth” of righteousness by faith (verses 16-19) devolved into sin after “God lifted off His restraining hand…” —

“24 This is why God lifted off His restraining hand and let them have full expression of their sinful and shameful desires…”

This is why Christ came: to save us from our sins. Believer, God our heavenly Father is fully satisfied with the payment that Christ made for our sins. Romans 5:9 says of how He sees we who believe:

"And there is still much more to say of His unfailing love for us! For through the blood of Jesus we have heard the powerful declaration, “You are now righteous in My sight.” And because of the sacrifice of Jesus, you will never experience the wrath of God."

By seeing ourselves as our heavenly Father sees us in Christ, we are being transformed. As we continue to see ourselves through the mirror of God's Word (Christ Himself: Grace-personified) and not through the Law (which Romans 3:20 says was given to show us how sinful we are,) we are being transformed by His Spirit: 2 Corinthians 3:18-

"But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord."

Only imperfect people need transformation. The one who can transform himself to "be like God" by will-power and human striving (arm of flesh) at obeying the Law does not need the Spirit of the Lord to transform him. With Christ as our righteousness, we are 100% righteous in the sight of God our Father (Romans 5:9) and "so lovely" to Jesus Christ our Shepherd-King (Song of Songs 1:5) - EVEN THOUGH WE ARE GUILTY OF MANY SINS. SEE THIS IN THE VERSE BELOW. In Christ, we have God's super-abounding Grace and His gift of righteousness by which we get to live in triumph over sin and death through Jesus Christ: Romans 5:16-17:

16 “And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins. 17 For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and His gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one Man, Jesus Christ.”

GOD'S GRACE (JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF) IS NOT A LICENSE TO SIN. HE IS THE WAY TO LIVE IN TRIUMPH OVER SIN AND DEATH. WITHOUT HIM, WE WOULD ALL DEVOLVE INTO SIN AND DEATH. All earthly ills are "death begun."

But many put the cart before the horse and think they are not sinning because they have some good in their fallen humanity.

The spirit of the antichrist is not anti-God. In fact, it can be very religious, preaching strongly against sin from behind the pulpit and shouting the need for churchgoers to bear the fruit of godliness from the rooftops - like the Pharisees. This spirit focuses on the importance of striving for godliness/salvation from sin by human effort at keeping the Law and it knows just what it is doing- trying to cut believers off from Christ:

"For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace." Galatians 5:4.

But this is what Christ came to do: Titus 2:14- "He gave His life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us His very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds."

How can Christ who came to free us from every kind of sin use the same sins that he came to free us from as an excuse for not saving us from them? This is akin to an oncologist dad refusing to heal his own beloved child who has cancer...because the child has cancer. Only by receiving God's abundance of grace and His gift of righteousness to us in Christ do we get to live in triumph over sin and death and only through Jesus Christ.

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PrincewithGod:
Once saved, forever saved is the message here, I guess. So you are saying once we are saved, because the righteousness of Christ covers us we should continue in sin?

No, Mr. PrincewithGod. The writer is not "saying" this horrid and twisted antichrist reasoning that equates Christ's salvation with license to sin. Beware of people who peddle this kind of reasoning. It is the same one that religious people used to slander Paul and the early apostles whom they accused of preaching that it is okay to sin because of Grace. See this in Romans 3:17.

Christ says: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16.

Beware of antichrist pastors and their followers who like to add "obey the Ten Commandments so that you should not perish but have everlasting life" to Christ's message and always equate God's Grace with license to sin. This is what Christ came to do according to Matthew 1:21-

"She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

Also see what Christ is doing in the life of every true believer in Titus 2:14-

"He gave His life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us His very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds."

How do these two things - being saved from sins by Christ and continuing to live in sin - how do they even relate? Believers, run from any pastor that posits this kind of horrid antichrist argument that says that righteousness in Christ is licence to commit sin. What a horrid antichrist doctrine it is. Let's take our blessed brains to church: Matthew 1:21 tells us what Christ came to do:

"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

See the Amplified Classic version: "She will bear a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus [the Greek form of the Hebrew Joshua, which means Savior], for He will save His people from their sins [that is, prevent them from [a]failing and missing the true end and scope of life, which is God]."

How do these two things - being saved from sins and continuing to live in sin - how do they even relate? How can you who have Christ who saves from sins as your Saviour continue to live in sin? THOSE WHO SAY THIS IMPLY THAT CHRIST CANNOT ACCOMPLISH HIS WORK AS SAVIOUR FROM SINS IN THE LIFE OF THE SINNER WHO DEPENDS ON HIM FOR SALVATION.

Churchgoing hypocrites and antichrists are the ones that always bringing up this kind of false "So you are saying once we are saved, because the righteousness of Christ covers us we should continue in sin?" argument. Such act like they are the only ones that loathe sin and that everybody except them is just itching to commit sins. So like Satan did with Eve who depended on what she could to be godly (like God) by her useless human strength, they push the flock into trying to do things in order to be godly (be like God.)

To think that all sinners enjoy their sins and don't want to give them up is akin to thinking that Peter enjoyed denying Jesus and could not wait for another opportunity to deny Jesus. What do we think is the major cause of depression and suicide even among unbelievers? It is guilt for sins, fear, anxiety, hopelessness and sorrow in the heart for sins aka not measuring up to particular standards - no different from what happened to Judas who was full of remorse and blamed himself for his sin.

All of mankind have sinned. Many are like Peter- beginning with good intentions, never thinking that they could do what they did and afterwards, feeling great remorse.

Others are like Judas whom "Satan entered." See Luke 22- “3 Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve. 4 So he went his way and conferred with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray Him to them. 5 And they were glad, and agreed to give him money. 6 So he promised and sought opportunity to betray Him to them in the absence of the multitude.”

Mr. PrincewithGod, you are not the only one that hates sin. It is condition that bent crayfish for many as it did with Peter who thought he was good until Satan sifted him and he saw what the Word of God (Christ Himself) is still telling everyone today:

"There is none good but God" and

"The arm of flesh (human effort at being godly) will fail."

We all need God's saving Grace who saves from sins to the same degree. But like Peter who thought Christ was wrong about his then upcoming denials, many churchgoers still trust in themselves to do right. This attitude/mindset only opens the door for Satan to sift man like wheat for that good that he claims to have when God's word says "There is none good but God."

Like Peter, all will fall flat on their face if it was up to them and the useless human strength (arm of flesh) to remain standing when Satan comes to sift like wheat. But like Peter before he denied Christ, many churchgoers boast in their strength to overcome sin and do the right thing because God's restraining hand has not allowed them to be tempted beyond what they can bear and crumple into the sins-ridden mass of flesh that man is of himself.

When the scales of Satan's grip falls from the eyes of many, they realise their sin and are remorseful. No matter how it got to go astray, what the lost sheep who are living under accusation and the guilt of sins need is not more Law or rules and regulations about sin that kills but super(hyper)-abounding Grace: Jesus Christ the Good Shepherd who saves from sins.

God sent Jesus Christ to save us from our sins. But like Eve who tried to be godly (be like God) by using her human strength, some people deceive themselves that they can do the right thing (keep the law in order to be good like God) by their human strength (arm of flesh.) Also like Peter who boasted and knew 100% that he would not deny Christ but fell flat on his face three times. so you think some sins are beneath you? You have no idea that the reason why you are not a mass murderer is because God did not allow Satan to load you with a trial that you cannot handle. We all need God's saving Grace 100% in every facet of life.

Being in Christ without living in triumph over sin and death is much more impossible than being submerged naked under water without getting wet. Godliness and every fruit of the Spirit is the "wet." In Christ, we are not under law but under Grace-

"For sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under law but under grace." Romans 6:14.

This verse is the message of the cross; Christ's message. But many preach it backwards and say that sin will have dominion over you if you follow Grace or that Grace children just want to wallow in sin. There is a reason for this foolish and antichrist talk as we see in 1 Corinthians 1:18-

"For the message of the cross is foolishness [absurd and illogical] to those who are perishing and spiritually dead [because they reject it], but to us who are being saved [by God’s grace] it is [the manifestation of] the power of God."

The message of the cross is ALL about salvation BY GOD'S GRACE (undeserved, unearned, unmerited favour,) including salvation from every curse. Beloved of God, God's Grace is a Person. His name is Jesus Christ. Titus 2:11 says of Him:

"God’s marvelous grace has manifested in person, bringing salvation for everyone."

Verse 14 of the same Titus 2 says: "He gave His life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us His very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds."

How can you continue to live in sin when you have Christ who came to free us from every kind of sin, no matter how vile, as your Saviour? Only antichrists preach that GRACE (Christ Himself!) will cause people to sin. How can Christ who saves from sins sanction living in sin? This is as ridiculous as going to a hospital treat cancer and then the doctor that is in charge of your well- being who just happens to be your Dad allows you to ingest more carcinogens.

Christ is Saviour. He saves from the cancer of sin, symptoms and the death that follows. For all who believe in Jesus Christ, God the Righteous Judge sees us as righteous, "even though we are guilty of many sins"- Romans 5:16-

"And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins.”

Beloved of God, beware of “spiritual wickedness in high places” pastors whose trade is describing this truth of Grace (God's word!) as “blasphemy”/“license to sin.” Such point out sin and ungodliness in man and then promote the attainment of righteousness/godliness (be like God) by human effort aka the arm of flesh. This is the same seemingly good but deathly false doctrine that Satan used to deceive Eve in Eden.

Peddlers of this false doctrine never point you to Jesus Christ the Tree of Life who gave His life to make us godly/righteous in God's sight (Romans 5:9) and to free us from every kind of sin (Titus 2:14) They preach that Grace is license to sin. But God's word says differently. His word says receiving His abundance of Grace and His gift of Righteousness to us in Christ is the Way to live in triumph over sin and death:

"And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins. 17 For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and His gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one Man, Jesus Christ." Romans 5:16-17.

Lord Jesus i can't wait to see you!!

Yesss

Will you? Yes!!

jiggaz:
Will you? Yes!!

Yes.
Please pray for me, Jiggaz.

Eulalia:


Yes.
Please pray for me, Jiggaz.

Pray for you to make it at the rapture? Anyone that places their faith in the death,burial and resurrection of Christ will rapture on that day...

jiggaz:
Pray for you to make it at the rapture? Anyone that places their faith in the death,burial and resurrection of Christ will rapture on that day...

No, not that. My eternity is already sure and settled.

Its.. ..ok, Sir. Never mind. It seems its not your calling to intercede for someone. I'll contact someone else.

Thank you.

Eulalia:



No, not that. My eternity is already sure and settled.

Its.. ..ok, Sir. Never mind. It seems its not your calling to intercede for someone. I'll contact someone else.

Thank you.

It's alright...

Yesss

Yeah!!

Yes.....

Will you?

Lord Jesus

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