docadams:


Can you substantie all what you typed or you just chose to embark on a tales by moonlight voyage?

jpphilips:


Buhari won with the 2015 electoral act not 2010, it is more silly to think the 2015 electoral act was signed 2 days to the election.
Who will provide the infrastructure for INEC to transmit results in real time? what is INEC'S current budget?
If you dont think such law will amount to changing the goal post in the middle of the game, then, Atiku should use the same Lacuna/loopholes to win.

dalongjnr:

Never lie in a public forum. which 2010 amended electoral act was signed 2 days to election? If so,you mean the card readers where also imported from China 2 days to the election as well? man, electronic voting is not well captured in the act. don't forget too soon that the matter was taken to court. anyway, do ur research very well before assuming the truth.

youngprofdguru:
The Presidency on Thursday said President Muhammadu Buhari did not sign the Electoral Amendment Bill because doing so might cause confusion and lead to anarchy.

The Senior Special Assistant to the President on National Assembly Matters (Senate), Ita Enang, said this on Thursday during an interview on Channels Television Breakfast programme, Sunrise Daily.

He also disclosed that the President did not consult the other 91 political parties before refusing to sign the electoral bill because he needed to act in the best interest of the nation.

“Now, let me get to the other issue that Mr President alluded to, in not assenting to the bill. It is getting too close to election time and it will be dangerous to bring in a new electoral law at this time when the process of election has commenced from August, September, October this year. If you come to conclusion under a new law. It will cause confusion and may lead to anarchy.

“I think that what the President is to do is to take the best of discretion and from his vantage point as President of the country, to look at international best practices,” he said.

Various political parties and public interest groups have criticised the President for refusing to sign the bill.

Source: https://www.channelstv.com/2018/12/13/why-buhari-refused-to-sign-electoral-act-amendment-bill-presidency/

rexwalters:
From what I am made to believe from your write up,jonathan signed into law this garbage act in 2015?then went to the polling station the next week and was complaining finger print and card reader did not work in his hometown of otuoke,who is to blame?INEC or apc?then why is pdp complaining if it was sustainable then,how much has changed since?what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

kemicalreaction:
Apc in 2010

Are you high

senatorbayor:
It's on record that GEJ signed the amended 2010 electoral act into law 2 days to the election which gave a go ahead for INEC to make use of card reader..

Same APC urged GEJ to sign it then and accused him of being afraid of card reader introduction which gave INEC the discretion to use card reader

They later applauded the process after buhari won the election

Btw 2 days and 66 days, which is closer to election

From the onset, PMB have been sceptical about signing the new electoral bill that will strengthen the electoral process

He kept rejecting it with flimsy excuses from sequences of election to this latest one


The new electoral bill if signed will strengthen the electoral process and make card reader mandatory and not optional
It will remove the Lacuna faced by the court where varying judgements were given on use of card reader

While some courts nullified elections cos card reader was not used, others upheld it despite non use of card reader.. E.G is the rivers election


Secondly, the new act would have help to match accredited voters with votes as no incidence paper will be allowed .
It would have eased the transmission of result immediately than collating from wards to LG to state to Federal which will give room for manipulation of already counted votes

The idea of waiting for one results from kano or rivers while results are collated will be eliminated

The idea of using results from one state to increase the votes of another candidate or party will be eliminated as all votes will be transmitted simultaneously..

Refusal to sign means someone is afraid and wants to make use of these loopholes

Moreso, the electoral bill is applicable to all political parties.. The president ought to have consulted other political parties to get their inputs before rescinding..

This was same process GEJ did before signing the bill into an act ...

As it is now, pmb is having no inputs in strengthening the institution of the electoral process..

straighttalk:
Ordinarily, they know they can't defeat Buhari in a transparent contest. They therefore decided to introduce confusion in order to win through The backdoor (court).

First Step in Losing the battle is their inability to introduce the confusion

senatorbayor:


The law GEJ signed was the amended 2010 electoral law
Go and do your findings

This new law buhari is afraid to sign does not have anything to do with the budget of INEC and it's not about changing goal post

It's about strengthening our electoral process..

That's essence of governance

jpphilips:


So you haven't heard of 2015 electoral act before?

senatorbayor:


We are saying same thing

The act signed in 2015 was the 2010 amended electoral bill

senatorbayor:




If GEJ did not sign that card reader should be use.
You and I know that the rigging by either parties will be much
The card reader curtailed those excyesses

The card reader was newly introduced hence some of the skirmishes that were noticed


What is expected of a serious gov't is to strengthen the institution and the process and that's what the new electoral act wanted to take care of but PMB seems to be afraid of new changes

jpphilips:



What is expected of a jobless youth is get something doing and stay away from social media. You don't change the goal post in the middle of the game, you are not contesting the election, the so called ammendment is making card readers manadatory with no alternative when the country is at war at different fronts with citizens displaced far away from their homes and wards.



If it was in 2016 when the Niger delta was at war a northern president signed that, wont you complain the south has been disenfranchised?
Card readers will be used, however, if it fails, there should be an alternative, if you can't contest under the circumstances, then stay at home, to rule Nigeria is not by force.

jpphilips:


Are you saying what you know or what you think? Every electoral act is an ammendment of a previous one, the present one Buhari has refused to sign is equally an ammendment of the 2015 Ammendment, that happens to be the an ammendment from 2010.
So what difference does it make?

Buhari should contest with the electoral act that brought him to power, first, some non-living things said not signing means no use of card reader, today, seems you managed to read it reason you are complaining its useage is at Inec's discretion, Inec has said they will use it so what are you foaming in the mouth for?
Dont you guys have better things to do with your time?

jpphilips:


Are you saying what you know or what you think? Every electoral act is an ammendment of a previous one, the present one Buhari has refused to sign is equally an ammendment of the 2015 Ammendment, that happens to be the an ammendment from 2010.
So what difference does it make?

Buhari should contest with the electoral act that brought him to power, first, some non-living things said not signing means no use of card reader, today, seems you managed to read it reason you are complaining its useage is at Inec's discretion, Inec has said they will use it so what are you foaming in the mouth for?
Dont you guys have better things to do with your time?

Are you aware that none of the existing electoral act does not make card reader compulsory..
It only gave INEC the discretion to apply it where necessary..

This led to courts giving conflicting judgements on same card reader..

In river state, supreme court said card reader is unknown to law while it upturn another election for not using card reader..

The electoral bill buhari refused to sign is now taking care of that gap by making card reader compulsory and not an INEC discretion

It's also making it a law and not an option to avert varying judgments as witnessed in last election

senatorbayor:



If every developed nations have your type of reasoning .. They won't be where they are..
You want to be like them but not ready to do what made them improve thier process and institution


What should bother you is how we continue to do Same old things and want new results

Reasons why care reader should be backed by law is to avert conflicting judgment that were witnessed after 2015 elections where court A nullified an election cos card reader was not used and court B upheld an election despite card reader not being used

They claim card reader is unknown to law

That's the gap this new electoral law intend to bridge by making it a law and compulsory to avoid conflicting court judgements

jpphilips:


Advanced democracies have my type of reasoning, are you better than them?
In the just concluded mid term elections in the US, voting machines failed in Georgia, Alabama, Illinois, Arizona, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, New jersey, New york, Nevada, North Carolina, Rhode Island, South carolina what did they do?

Make voting machines sacrosanct or use discretion?
Face your business you know very little how democracy works.

jpphilips:
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Im certain you know the "I" in Inec means independent so what is wrong with an independent agency exercising discretion to ensure voters are not disenfranchised?





What the court does is not the buisness of Inec.



Not Inec's problem, the Judiciary should get its act together.




Inec's independence requires it exercises some level of discretion, if the card reader fails like every other electronics does even in advanced democracies, what next? We pack up and wait for a re-run? Really? For a 245b naira election? Im sure you know that the voting machines in Georgia failed during the mid term elections, what did the sane people of the US do? Call for re-run or use manual counting?



Court Judgement is not Inec's buisness, ive said that already.

senatorbayor:




The independence of INEC must be seen to be fair to all and not a particular section ..

We've seen same INEC you want to project as been independent helping political parties rig election..

The judgements of court has a large direct impact on how INEC conduct the election
More reasons they are joined as a party in the suits and equally have their lawyers who will prove to the court why certain elections should not be annulled.

senatorbayor:



I am sure in those states you mentioned
They made use of incidence report and allowed manual voting

Sadly.. You want to be like them but you don't want to practice what gave them such feats

Its better you allow the institutions to be strengthen than your usual promotions of shortcuts to success


I can see how you know enough about democracy

jpphilips:


Im not interested in what you know about democracy, card reader will not be sacrosanct in Nigeria as electronic voting is not sacrosanct anywhere in the world, if you don't like the idea, please hug the nearest transformer.

jpphilips:


You enjoy going in circles, joining Inec in an electoral suit is different from bothering Inec with a court judgement.

senatorbayor:



Now that you know that INEC conduct of election has a long impact on the court judgements as well..

Let's urge INEC to act independently and be seen to be fair cos they will always be party to any suit after the election.
They will explain to the court why the election They conducted shouldn't be annulled

senatorbayor:




Your last paragraph shows your level of reasoning while home and dry...

Nice that you've been schooled on process of election in those countries you admire their type of democracy

As long as those states in the U.S didnt use incidence report, we also must work towards it than doing the old way and seeking new result.
Cheers

jpphilips:


You schooled someone that chronicled the challenges of electronic voting and the common sense solutions employed by sane climes?
Are you by any chance r@tarded in your former life?

jpphilips:


You still don't have a point, it is not the job of Inec to worry about court decisions, conversely, Inec does not have control over who or those that join it in suits.
Inec can sue or be sued, its upto you to operate within your legal priviledges.

senatorbayor:



Its certain civility and robust debate devoid of use of vulgar and insults are far from your way of life..

It's advisable that when you can't continue with engagements of ideas , you quit the discuss than going so low with abuse


It's a trait with those who are lacking ingredients of robust discuss
Cheers

senatorbayor:



Now you are beginning to see reasons that INEC conducts will to an extent determine the outcome of a suit esp after elections

More reasons they are part of the suit to give reasons why the court should upheld the elections they conducted
.

cucumbae:
Is rigging of election a good decision?