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What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 7:29pm On Dec 29, 2018
Everyone have reasons for any position they take regarding every issue. The problem of God is one of the most popular and the most lingering through history.

The position of atheism has been one of the most controversial sometimes out of clear valid objective reason, other times out of misrepresentation, misinformation or misunderstanding.

Even atheists have find issues with their position if they look for one. Some of the popular issues i have heard so here like; Do you think everything came from nothing? What do you worship then? Who created you?

These are all valid questions and issues that can be well scrutinized with open mind.

This is a thread to discuss issues or problems philosophically consequential to the atheist position.

What, in your opinion, are the problems of atheistic position?

let's talk about them.

Theist or atheist, anyone can have questions or concerns about the implications of the atheistic position.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Martinez19(m): 7:49pm On Dec 29, 2018
johnydon22:
Everyone have reasons for any position they take regarding every issue. The problem of God is one of the most popular and the most lingering through history.

The position of atheism has been one of the most controversial sometimes out of clear valid objective reason, other times out of misrepresentation, misinformation or misunderstanding.

Even atheists have find issues with their position if they look for one. Some of the popular issues i have heard so here like; Do you think everything came from nothing? What do you worship then? Who created you?

These are all valid questions and issues that can be well scrutinized with open mind.

This is a thread to discuss issues or problems philosophically consequential to the atheist position.

What, in your opinion, are the problems of atheistic position?

let's talk about them.

Theist or atheist, anyone can have questions or concerns about the implications of the atheistic position.
grin
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by LordReed(m): 7:56pm On Dec 29, 2018
I think the most obvious one is the general lack of knowledge or inability to provide sufficient explanations for all observable phenomenon. Sure it is not limited to the atheist position but it gives enough room for vacillation.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Immorttal: 8:08pm On Dec 29, 2018
In every atheist mind 'someone made this for sure but i do not know and ya'll do not know' wink

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by budaatum: 9:04pm On Dec 29, 2018
I don't particularly have a problem with my atheistic position. I don't after all assume that atheism has an answer to everything. I am comfortable accepting that I would not possibly know the answers to questions like how the universe began but that's no reason to fill in the gap with some ignorant belief if the truth is, "I don't know".

My atheism goes along with a scientific way of looking at things with the scientific method being a lens I see through. It gives me a critical mind towards things, which I am better off for having on the whole.

I just thank the gods kiss that I am an atheist as I'd hate believing in the unseen made up in my own head with faith that it may be true.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by hahn(m): 9:55pm On Dec 29, 2018
It is simple really

There is obviously no god because there is no evidence for it and if there is a god then it is a failure, judging by all the bad in the world, and it is not worthy of my attention or worship.

The position that there is no god is less stressful because if god, as depicted especially by Christianity and Islam, actually existed we'd be all doomed having a psychopath running loose who does not take responsibility for it's failure but is more concerned about burning people up and enjoying the smell of suya

Thank god there is no god

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Martinez19(m): 11:06pm On Dec 29, 2018
An atheistic position has no problem. It tends to be problematic when the atheist makes wrong assumptions and has certain character flaws eg.

1) The assumption by the atheist that there must be a purpose leads to existential crisis. All that is needed is to know that the universe does not owe the atheist any meaning and his purpose is the purpose he gives himself.

2) The assumption that there must be an answer to every question concerning the origin of the universe and life and the purpose of man leads to the dissatisfaction with and abandonment of atheism. Rather than the atheist recognise the fact that he could simply say "I don't know" to these questions, he set the irrational standard that any system of belief that doesn't have these answers is flawed. Hence with this wrong assumption, atheism is flawed. grin

3) The childish assumption that a system of belief and atheism must offer hope to mankind. If such standard is assumed by the atheist, atheism will soon be regarded as flawed and not worth having. The solution here is for the atheist to use his head to know that hope does not equal truth.

4) Hubris. The assumption and character "flaw" that there must be an eternal continuation of human life because man is too great to live and become nothing just like that. If the atheist erroneously insist on these, atheism is seen to be insufficient, irrational and soon abandoned. Bravery and a logical perspective is needed to correct this.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by tobechi74: 12:28am On Dec 30, 2018
we are hods. should represent God on earth. unfortunately, theist immoral life discourages atheist from believing in God. If human,created in God image are wicked, it would nmean God is worse. better believe God dies not exist. than God is wicked er

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Seun(m): 10:40am On Dec 30, 2018
I guess the main problem with the atheist position is its unpopularity.

We can fix that by engaging religious people in constructive conversations more often. Helping them to see that not only is there no good reason to believe that any God or gods exist, but that we can have better morals, success, happiness, health, family lives, etc in our societies without believing in any God or gods.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 11:06am On Dec 30, 2018
It is curious that no religious person has raised any issue they think is a problem with the atheist position. Is it that there is none?

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by SmilingMary(m): 11:15am On Dec 30, 2018
Seun:
I guess the main problem with the atheist position is its unpopularity.

We can fix that by engaging religious people in constructive conversations more often. Helping them to see that not only is there no good reason to believe that any God or gods exists, but that we can have better morals, success, happiness, health, family lives, etc in our societies without believing in any God or gods.

I agree with the bolded
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by gensteejay(m): 11:26am On Dec 30, 2018
OP and his philosophical threads... interesting.

Here to read comments
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by LordReed(m): 11:36am On Dec 30, 2018
johnydon22:
It is curious that no religious person has raised any issue they think is a problem with the atheist position. Is it that there is none?

Most of them don't even know the definition of atheist talk more of the position. They are taught atheists are satanic and insane so that's all they know of it.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Martinez19(m): 11:54am On Dec 30, 2018
johnydon22:
It is curious that no religious person has raised any issue they think is a problem with the atheist position. Is it that there is none?
There is none. Many theists don't even know what atheism is.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by tintingz(m): 12:23pm On Dec 30, 2018
LordReed:


Most of them don't even know the definition of atheist talk more of the position. They are taught atheists are satanic and insane so that's all they know of it.
Lol, some will even say atheists are hopeless. grin

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 3:45pm On Dec 30, 2018
Immorttal:
In every atheist mind 'someone made this for sure but i do not know and ya'll do not know' wink

Not someone per say. You are making the mistake of equating your everyday experience in a cosmological scale. It doesn't work like that.
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 3:46pm On Dec 30, 2018
hahn:
It is simple really

There is obviously no god because there is no evidence for it and if there is a god then it is a failure, judging by all the bad in the world, and it is not worthy of my attention or worship.
What would in your own opinion constitute a sufficient eviddnce towards the existence of God(s)?


The position that there is no god is less stressful because if god, as depicted especially by Christianity and Islam, actually existed we'd be all doomed having a psychopath running loose who does not take responsibility for it's failure but is more concerned about burning people up and enjoying the smell of suya

Thank god there is no god
lol
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 3:47pm On Dec 30, 2018
Seun:
I guess the main problem with the atheist position is its unpopularity.

We can fix that by engaging religious people in constructive conversations more often. Helping them to see that not only is there no good reason to believe that any God or gods exists, but that we can have better morals, success, happiness, health, family lives, etc in our societies without believing in any God or gods.

Isn't morality subjective? What do you mean better morals?
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 3:48pm On Dec 30, 2018
LordReed:


Most of them don't even know the definition of atheist talk more of the position. They are taught atheists are satanic and insane so that's all they know of it.

Lol
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Ranchhoddas: 6:34pm On Dec 30, 2018
My problem with the atheistic position is that it does not account for the supernatural/paranormal things that happens around us. It simply dismisses, chalks it up as coincidence or outrightly denies them.
This in my view is dishonest.

To the believer, no proof is necessary, to the unbeliever no proof is enough --Thomas Aquinas.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by edicied: 6:37pm On Dec 30, 2018
hahn:
It is simple really

There is obviously no god because there is no evidence for it and if there is a god then it is a failure, judging by all the bad in the world, and it is not worthy of my attention or worship.
The bad in the world is a necessity grin You have to endure and be a good boy if you wanna make Heaven

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 8:16pm On Dec 30, 2018
edicied:

The bad in the world is a necessity grin You have to endure and be a good boy if you wanna make Heaven
Actually, the bad in the world is in fact necessary
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Martinez19(m): 8:28pm On Dec 30, 2018
johnydon22:
Actually, the bad in the world is in fact necessary
Necessary? Care to explain please? bad in the world is certainly inevitable but I don't know how it is necessary.
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by LordReed(m): 9:04pm On Dec 30, 2018
johnydon22:
Actually, the bad in the world is in fact necessary

For what exactly? If we lived in a world that didn't have it what would we be missing?

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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 9:28pm On Dec 30, 2018
LordReed:


For what exactly? If we lived in a world that didn't have it what would we be missing?
Purpose.

Worlds like heaven or paradise lack purpose therefore meaningless.
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 9:30pm On Dec 30, 2018
Martinez19:
Necessary? Care to explain please? bad in the world is certainly inevitable but I don't know how it is necessary.
I would have thought it was apparent. A world without bad is a world without purpose. I don't know why i am so lazy tonight to writer one of my epistles grin
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by gensteejay(m): 9:35pm On Dec 30, 2018
Lols
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 9:37pm On Dec 30, 2018
Ranchhoddas:
My problem with the atheistic position is that it does not account for the supernatural/paranormal things that happens around us. It simply dismisses, chalks it up as coincidence or outrightly denies them.
This in my view is dishonest.

To the believer, no proof is necessary, to the unbeliever no proof is enough --Thomas Aquinas.

Legitimate problem. I would like to see how an atheist addresses this
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Martinez19(m): 10:33pm On Dec 30, 2018
johnydon22:
I would have thought it was apparent. A world without bad is a world without purpose. I don't know why i am so lazy tonight to writer one of my epistles grin
Well. It's not apparent, at least to me but when you have time, you can make your case.
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 10:46pm On Dec 30, 2018
Martinez19:
Well. It's not apparent, at least to me but when you have time, you can make your case.

https://www.nairaland.com/4560157/perfect-world-heaven-not-really
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by gensteejay(m): 10:54pm On Dec 30, 2018
johnydon22:


https://www.nairaland.com/4560157/perfect-world-heaven-not-really
Nice one. Your depth in philosophy (as a field) is commendable. What's your own philosophy? Atheism? Theism? Spinozism?

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