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Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by 1kinggy(m): 8:51pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
Pharaoh350s: Did you see your lies? Flee away from all appearances of evil. Betting leads to other vices. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by xtivin2: 9:03pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
Acehart:Thank you for this. I think my statement is clear, betting is no sin, however it's advisable to avoid it because of danger. I equate the case of betting to the drinking of alcohol, it's not a sin but it's better to avoid it because of dangers also because both has high tendencies to become addictive. The disciples casted lots, the jews that crucified Jesus casted lot with Jesus garment. So the issue of gambling is ancient,however Satan has modernized strategies to bring God's children to bandage and it's saddening that gambling is one of Satan core area he is investing time and resources, so it's better as a Christian to avoid it. |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Acehart: 9:19pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
gr8tone: To understanding betting, you would have to understand the nature of two beings: 1. The nature of God 2. The nature of Man. The nature of God (Jehovah): From Gen. 1, we see God is systematic and patient, viz., He took everything in the creation process one day at a time. He didn't achieve everything in one day. In Job c.38-40, God showed at the end of everything He made, there was proclamation of praise because His calculations never failed. God showed He saves (like someone saving in the bank). God showed He is accountable. God showed that everything He made tends to increase and there is no waste. At the center of God's heart is love: the resources for the birds in not allocated to the fish. God showed His love for His reputation as well. In Gen. 1, God wants Man to be like Him. The nature of Man: Man hates God (Romans 6:. Man's heart is wicked to everything even himself (Jer. 17:9). Man worships God manipulatingly (Mal. 3:14). Man is impatient by nature (Num. 21:4, Psa. 37:7). Man wants his desire met by all means (Gal. 5:17). A wicked Man is wasteful when he has money (Eccl. 10:16-19) What does God say to Man? Whatever you do (including gambling) consider you brother's weak understanding of what you do (gambling) so that he is not led to destruction (sin, poverty etc.) but you prosper in that thing you have chosen to do (Romans 14, 1 Cor. 8:7). God says you can do anything you like with your life but don't do anything you will be a slave to (1 Cor. 6:12); and don't use your liberty (in Christ) to your detriment and to anyone's detriment (Gal. 5:13). God goes on to say, He doesn't answer people's prayers focused on satisfying their unloving desires (James 4:3, John 2:24-25). Therefore, He doesn't commit himself to everyone not His own. What does Man say? Man says he doesn't understand God (1 Cor. 1). God is too slow (Psa. 37:7, 106:13). God is enjoying Himself (and we suffer) and trusting him to provide (on time) is useless (Mal. 3:14). Therefore, Man seeks to gain the whole world (a metaphor for total self-sufficiency). Betting is a means to self-sufficiency outside God (who is systematic) 1 Like |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Acehart: 9:56pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
xtivin2: The scriptures are not capable of leading anyone into error. I am sorry for a few corrections I am about to give: The Roman soldiers were the ones who cast lots (Matt. 27:35). Who were they, my friend? Pagans. They didn't choose the better portion, eternal life, but chose the meat that perishes. Are those the people you want to emulate? The disciples cast lots for the empty position left by Judas: When we look at the scriptures, lots were cast where disorder was to be averted - life threatening situations. Look at Nehemiah's and Jonah's situation closely. Were the disciples' lives threatened? No. Did they inquire from God who the next Apostle will be? No. Do you remember the name of the man chosen by them? No. Did you see many months or years later, without their initial ignorance, God chose Saul of Tarsus to fill the empty position. Funny enough, God made that choice in a life threatening situation. Errors are recorded in the scriptures so we can learn from them even the disciples' over-enthusiasm. The Bible discourages us from many things that will lead to addiction and the destruction of our brother(s)' conscience. Betting is high on this list. |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 7:16am On Dec 31, 2018 |
Acehart:Sir, God is not mathematics. This Your calculations are your mere assumptions. Besides your Bible references are out of place because I have checked and I discovered that they go contrary to what you claimed except if your own bible is a different Bible. A typical example is Ecc 10:16-17 and 1 cor 6:12. Look, this haphazard copying of Bible references just to manipulate people into believing you doesn't portray you in good light. Deu 4:2 [warn us about adding] New International Version. Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. Rev 22:19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. So when you say God says where he hasn't said, you are danger of the wrath of God. All you have said is a mathematical attempt to convince or rather confuse yourself. |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 7:29am On Dec 31, 2018 |
1kinggy:Is it only betting that lead to other vices? Business too can lead to other vices but does it affect everybody that is into business? In anything one does, the vices you mentioned which i regard as temptation must surely come but must you yield to them? Before you criminalise betting, please i would want to know the position of God in betting. Support your claim with biblical references please not your own personal opinion. |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Acehart: 8:02am On Dec 31, 2018 |
gr8tone: Good morning. Is it safe for me to think you bet or you support betting (yet you don't bet)? I could learn a lot from you. If you bet (or not), does the seemingly silence of the Bible support you or anyone who bets? 1 Like |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 8:42am On Dec 31, 2018 |
Acehart:If you read the main post well, you would have discovered that. I bet. I am into betting. I don't mind quiting if can establish that it is a sin. But why I came up with this topic is how some people branded the act as sin. I really want to know from other people's perspective with reference to the Bible whether such claims are true. But you ended up bringing biblical references that doesn't exist. Betting and business are birds of a kind to me. They both deal with predicting possible outcomes. If your predictions turns out positive you gain and it turns otherwise you lose. What would you say of a business man who bought over a hundred bags of ginger at the rate of 20k each and later sold it at the rate of 9k each. How did he sin by predicting the cost of ginger that didn't favour him at the end? I need convincing quotations not your mathematical calculations and personal opinion please. |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 8:49am On Dec 31, 2018 |
brainhgeek:The business that you think is not a sin, are there no people who consult spirits, plant charms in their shops, killing people to boom their business? But is it everyone that is doing it? If one follows those things you mentioned, to me, that's where sin comes. But if i bet without allowing those things to overwhelm me, how is it a sin? |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by brainhgeek(m): 9:10am On Dec 31, 2018 |
gr8tone:Anyone who does such things on whatsoever ground for whatsoever reason has committed a sin. Doing it for the sake of betting is also a sin. however, if you bet without consulting spirits, you stand the risk of addiction and losing your money. The thing about it is taking a blind chance and most of the time, loosing your stakes. It is a sin against your self. |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Acehart: 9:35am On Dec 31, 2018 |
gr8tone: I just found out you raised this topic. If I knew earlier, we wouldn't be "chatting" now (but it is late now). There were some Bible quotations you said I used dubiously; you should read the whole of 1 Corinthians 6 to know the context which verse 12 was referring to. 1 Corinthians 6:12 Someone will say, "I am allowed to do anything." Yes; but not everything is good for you. I could say that I am allowed to do anything, but I am not going to let anything make me its slave. (Good News Bible) Someone may say, "I'm allowed to do anything," but not everything is helpful. I'm allowed to do anything, but I won't allow anything to gain control over my life. (God's word Translation) I have over 64 people under me and that number should increase in 2019. I know those who bet and I know as 1 Corinthians 6 has said, they are not in control of their mind when an opportunity to bet comes - they must bet - they are under the control of betting. You should do a Christ Inspired study of the Eccles. 6 reference you debunked (forget how people have taught us to accept the "Money answers all things" meaning). You will end up seeing it is a negative verse ascribed to the childish king. The New Covenant has stricter commandments than the covenant of Moses: love your neighbor and be mindful of his well being and conscience. The Pharisees made the proselyte ten times the son of Satan; Christ wouldn't want any of his children (who thinks he has "mastered" betting) to cause his brother to be destroyed either in faith, finance, health etc.; because he copied the mature brother who seemed to prosper in finance through betting. (I have left out Bible verses so that you may go through the difficultly of searching for the truth which I have stated in this paragraph) God doesn't want any of his children to suffer loss that is self induced and He has placed several mechanisms to ensure this; chief among them is the sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary. By this sacrifice, you have a reference for gain according to the Spirit and not according to the desire of the flesh. A thief steals because he thinks he doesn't have enough. A gambler gambles because what he has is not enough. But the Bible says, God has clothed us better than the birds and King Solomon; but "I still lack many things", the gambler says. That thought alone is a vote of no confidence in God. If there are three major lusts: The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life (the lust to show-off), gambling is a manifestation of these lusts and in the end, if the gambler wins, he will definitely show-off his brand new wealth fashioned by his wit. Gambling is an effect and not a cause. The one who gambles has to workout (exercise) the salvation that Christ has bought for him. Gambling is a sign of weakness. Anyone saved by Christ is free indeed and he must exercise that freedom responsibly - This is what the salvation in Christ is about. Gambling is not a sin, it is the manifestation of the sinful tendencies in the believer - the flesh. You must overcome it and not let it overcome you. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 9:47am On Dec 31, 2018 |
Acehart:Thanks for the enlightenment 2 Likes |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Acehart: 10:33am On Dec 31, 2018 |
gr8tone: Thanks for your understanding. When there is an absence of bible verses concerning an act we do, God has set our conscience to be a safeguard. Never ignore it. If our conscience is alive, it shows us that the Spirit of Christ is in us. This topic was brought up because your conscience is alive. Remember 2 Corinthians 10:12 admonishes us not to compare ourselves according to the standard of others. Let apples be apples and oranges be oranges. I say this because many people have compared betting with businesses. Deal with yourself alone. The remedy for overcoming manifestations of the flesh (including gambling) quickly are set out in the scriptures. Permit me to list some of them. They are: 1. Be filled (to an overflow) with the word of God - Be a walking Bible. 2. Be in the company of genuine children of God in your office or neighborhood. 3. Get into the fellowship of a Bible loving church that is not governed by legalism and traditions of men. 4. Love. 5. Be grateful. Gratefulness leads to contentment. 6. Whatever you do that will make people talk about Christ negatively, don't linger in it. 7. Be humble. Happy Holidays 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Estom: 12:19pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Matt 7 vs 12 - Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. The bottom line is when you bet, you seek to gain from the losses of others. God can bless you without causing others to loose or stumble, though they're ignorant like the gainer. |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Gasu(m): 3:22pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
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Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by dj5naira(m): 3:58pm On Jan 01, 2019 |
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Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Fxwarrior: 5:11pm On Jan 01, 2019 |
sexiestharam: Seriously whether its a sin or not. I agree with you that its draining the blood of our youths making some to turn to stealing, lying and other vices to raise money to bet. Go to bet houses and see many of them are looking hagard, tired, quit, no. The one that pains me is one supposedly young man whose head is going grey looking like an old man cos of bets. Many are into funding of account not withdrawal. Its a pitiful condition. To think Alabi is even running for a political position under APC speaks volumes. Someone who has destroyed destinies;what does he have to offer in governance? Best decision I made in 2018 was quitting that poo. Imagine one relegation team winning mancity. There's always a Judas in every ticket. A punter's slogan is: Chai na one cut this game o. If any punter is still in doubt, reach out for pen and paper and calculate expenditure vs income made in punting for 2018. 3 Likes |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by chalxdon(m): 10:59am On Jan 04, 2019 |
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Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by lmaomenimen: 8:44am On Nov 29, 2019 |
But how about donating the money that you gained from betting to the church? Would this be considered a sin? I doubt it. |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by oaroloye(m): 10:20am On Nov 29, 2019 |
(1) DELIBERATE SIN IS INIQUITY. . EXODUS 20:1-7. AND God Spake all these Words, Saying, 2. "I am The LORD thy God, Which have brought thee out of The Land of Egypt, out of The House of Bondage. 3. "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. 4. "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above, or that is in the Earth beneath, or that is in the Water under the Earth. 5. "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the Fathers upon the Children unto the Third and Fourth Generation of them that hate Me; 6. "And shewing Mercy unto thousands of them that love Me, and keep My Commandments. 7. "Thou shalt not take The Name of the LORD thy God in vain; for The LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His Name in vain." . NUMBERS 15:27-31. 27. "And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering. 28. "And the Priest shall make an Atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before The LORD, to make an Atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him. 29. "Ye shall have One Law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among The Children of Israel, and for the Stranger that sojourneth among them. 30. "But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the Land, or a Stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 31. "Because he hath Despised The Word of The LORD, and hath Broken His Commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him." ONLY TRANSGRESSIONS OF COMMANDMENTS OF THE LAW OF MOSES ARE SINS. . 1st JOHN 3:4. 4. Whosoever committeth Sin transgresseth also The Law: for Sin is the transgression of The Law. (2)UNCERTAINTY IS A SIN. . GENESIS 1:26-28. 26. And God Said, "Let us make Man in Our Image, after Our Likeness: and let them have Dominion over the Fish of the Sea, and over the Fowl of the Air, and over the Cattle, and over all the Earth, and over every Creeping Thing that Creepeth upon the Earth. 27. So God created Man in His Own Image, in The Image of God created He him; male and female created He them. 28. And God Blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the Earth, and subdue It: and have Dominion over the Fish of the Sea, and over the Fowl of the Air, and over every Living Thing that moveth upon the Earth." IT IS OUR DUTY TO CONTROL THE EARTH: GAMBLING IS A GAME OF CHANCE- THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF CONTROL. . DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9. 4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5. And thou shalt love The LORD thy God with all thine Heart, and with all thy Soul, and with all thy Might. 6. And these Words, which I Command thee this Day, shall be in thine heart: 7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently unto thy Children, and shalt talk of Them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. ”CHANCE” IS AN ILLUSION OF BLINDNESS AND IGNORANCE: THE FUTURE IS CREATED, NOT ”PREDICTED.” God is a CREATOR, not a PREDICTOR. According to legend, the first GRANDMASTER of the Game “CHESS” boasted to his opponent, before they began to play: “I WILL DEFEAT YOU ON THE 32nd MOVE!” This was revolutionary. No one had ever done that before. Not the 31st move, not the 33rd move, but exactly on the 32nd move! To do that, the Grandmaster must totally control the Game. They must be able to account for every strategy the opponent can come possibly up with, and defeat it. This is not the opponent being required to win, but rather being required to change the time of their losing. The First Grandmaster ruled that out. I entered my first and last Chess Tournament at the age of seven. I was defeated in four moves. That is what happens when nobody teaches you how to play. I only knew how to play Tiddlywinks, Snakes & Ladders, and Ludo- the idea that somebody might diabolically plan to end your fun was inconceivable to me. The idea that someone could guarantee defeat of someone in a set number of moves is not inconceivable to me today- but I still don’t know how to do it. There are people who can predict the outcome of card games, dice games, and roulette wheel games, and so-on- apparently without actual supernatural Powers as such- they merely use TOTAL RECALL, operating their Mind at 100% Efficiency- retaining data that ordinary people allow their own mediocre Minds to lose. The Professional Casinos reportedly employ watchmen and thugs to… assist such people to leave their Establishments- and remain left. This is the Mind operating at its maximum capacity. That is the Mind that God Commanded His Worshippers to use to worship HIM. The idea is, that when you used your WHOLE Mind to worship God- instead of the previously tolerated 10%- after your worship is over, you will have 100% Spiritual, Mental, and Bodily Faculties to use to solve your own perceived problems. To experience “CHANCE” in a set Game means that one is not using one’s WHOLE MIND, as God COMMANDED, and that is also a SIN. (3) TO GAMBLE FOR PRIZES IS TO COVET WHAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE. . EXODUS 20:17. 17. "Thou shalt not covet thy Neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy Neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy Neighbour's." (4) TO GAMBLE FOR PRIZES IS TO HATE THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS. . LEVITICUS 19:17-18. 17. "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy Neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18. "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the Children of thy People, but thou shalt love thy Neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD." (5) TO DEPEND ON CHANCE IS TO DENY THE EXISTENCE AND BLESSING OF GOD. . DEUTERONOMY 8:10-18. 10. When thou hast eaten and art full, then thou shalt bless the LORD thy God for the good Land which he hath given thee. 11. Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God, in not keeping His Commandments, and His Judgments, and His Statutes, which I command thee this day: 12. Lest when thou hast eaten and art full, and hast built goodly houses, and dwelt therein; 13. And when thy herds and thy flocks multiply, and thy silver and thy gold is multiplied, and all that thou hast is multiplied; 14. Then thine heart be lifted up, and thou forget the LORD thy God, Which brought thee forth out of The Land of Egypt, from The House of Bondage; 15. Who led thee through that Great and Terrible Wilderness, wherein were Fiery Serpents, and Scorpions, and Drought, where there was no Water; Who brought thee forth Water out of the Rock of Flint; 16. Who fed thee in the Wilderness with Manna, which thy fathers knew not, that He might humble thee, and that He might prove thee, to do thee Good at thy Latter End; 17. And thou say in thine heart, "MY POWER AND THE MIGHT OF MINE HAND HATH GOTTEN ME THIS WEALTH." 18. But thou shalt remember The LORD thy God: for it is He that giveth thee Power to get Wealth, that He may establish His Covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is This Day. (6) TO GAMBLE FOR PRIZES IS TO DO TO OTHERS WHAT ONE WOULD NOT RECEIVE FROM SOMEONE ELSE. . DEUTERONOMY 25:13-16. 13. Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small. 14. Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small. 15. But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the Land which The LORD thy God giveth thee. 16. For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an Abomination unto The LORD thy God. (7) TO GAMBLE FOR GAIN IS ACCURSED. . DEUTERONOMY 27:26. 26. Cursed be he that confirmeth not all The Words of This Law to do them. And all the people shall say, "AMEN."
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Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Akay200512: 5:42pm On Oct 15, 2023 |
Well said Itzurboi: |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Akay200512: 8:48pm On Oct 15, 2023 |
People are notbetting responsibly If forex was being traded in shops like betting People will classify it as gambling Most time if you walk by gambling shop you see all lot of people crying about their loss If forex was like that too I lot of people would be crying about their losses too Praktikals: |
Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by Akay200512: 8:48pm On Oct 15, 2023 |
True talk Akay200512: |
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