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Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 10:03pm On Jan 06, 2019
I want to focus not on the evidence for God’s existence, but on the benefits of belief.

If God exists, then the world didn't just evolve by chance, but by deliberate design. There's an Artist behind this incredible work of art, this big, and beautiful world.

If God exists, we're living in a great story, an epic like "The Lord of the Rings," with real heroes and heroic tasks. Ultimately, all the twists and turns of this epic narrative will be paid off, everything will make sense. It will even have a happy ending, not necessarily, or even likely, in our own lifetime - even Moses didn’t get into the Promised Land - but over the grand course of time in an afterlife, which exists as surely as God exists.

If God exists, the presence of evil, hard as it is to accept, makes sense. God allows it for a reason, namely, to preserve our free will. And God will reconcile all injustices in the end.

If there is no God, life is one big crapshoot. If God does exist, morality is a real, objective feature of the world. If there is no God, morality is just the rules we make up for this little game of life we play.

If God exists, love is the nature of an eternal reality. If there is no God, love is just a fleeting feeling, no more than a bunch of chemical and neurological interactions.

If God exists, you are of infinite value. He knows you as a parent knows his child. He’s accessible to you. If there is no God, each of us is as insignificant as a rock on an unknown planet.

If God exists, death is conquered because if there is a God there is a reality outside of space and time. If there is no God, there is nothing immortal, and all the good things in life are destroyed forever. You, and everyone you love, and everything you think matters are all consigned to oblivion. If there is no God, life is pointless. Everything we’ve done and lived for will ultimately be in vain.

Can I prove with an absolute certainty that God exists? I can make the case that overwhelming evidence suggests that he does. But no I can’t prove that He exists with absolute certainty. That’s likely part of His plan. God deliberately doesn't give us absolute proof so that we're free to choose or not to choose to believe in Him.

So which way do you want to go? Be honest. Doesn't your heart at least hope that there is a good God, a transcendent validator of love and all the highest human values? Of course it does. Why would anyone not wish that life has some ultimate purpose, that good and evil are real, that there is ultimate justice, that our love for others means something?

If you choose to live as if there is a God, even if you are not sure there is a God, you lose nothing and you gain everything. According to the findings of multitude of scientific studies, religious Christians and Jews are happier, live longer, and are more charitable than their less observant or secular fellow citizens.

If you have been an atheist for a while, it may be difficult for you to change your thinking, even if you find some merit in the many rational arguments for God’s existence. But you can change your behavior. You can live as if God exists, even if you hold doubts. Why not? As I said, you lose nothing and you have everything to gain. This behavioral approach is far from new. The Jews have long had a saying, “We will do, and we will understand,” which acknowledges that action often precedes understanding.

So why not begin with an action? Why not pray the prayer of the skeptic? "God, if you exist, you must know that I'm not a believer. So, please, God, give me the gift of faith, in your time and in your way. I want to believe whatever is true. Amen.” If you say that and mean it, and give it some time, be prepared, because He will not ignore that prayer.
- Peter Kreeft, philosophy professor at Boston College

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Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 10:18pm On Jan 06, 2019
9inches:
I want to focus not on the evidence for God’s existence, but on the benefits of belief.

If God exists, then the world didn't just evolve by chance, but by deliberate design. There's an Artist behind this incredible work of art, this big, and beautiful world.

If God exists, we're living in a great story, an epic like "The Lord of the Rings," with real heroes and heroic tasks. Ultimately, all the twists and turns of this epic narrative will be paid off, everything will make sense. It will even have a happy ending, not necessarily, or even likely, in our own lifetime - even Moses didn’t get into the Promised Land - but over the grand course of time in an afterlife, which exists as surely as God exists.

If God exists, the presence of evil, hard as it is to accept, makes sense. God allows it for a reason, namely, to preserve our free will. And God will reconcile all injustices in the end.

If there is no God, life is one big crapshoot. If God does exist, morality is a real, objective feature of the world. If there is no God, morality is just the rules we make up for this little game of life we play.

If God exists, love is the nature of an eternal reality. If there is no God, love is just a fleeting feeling, no more than a bunch of chemical and neurological interactions.

If God exists, you are of infinite value. He knows you as a parent knows his child. He’s accessible to you. If there is no God, each of us is as insignificant as a rock on an unknown planet.

If God exists, death is conquered because if there is a God there is a reality outside of space and time. If there is no God, there is nothing immortal, and all the good things in life are destroyed forever. You, and everyone you love, and everything you think matters are all consigned to oblivion. If there is no God, life is pointless. Everything we’ve done and lived for will ultimately be in vain.

Can I prove with an absolute certainty that God exists? I can make the case that overwhelming evidence suggests that he does. But no I can’t prove that He exists with absolute certainty. That’s likely part of His plan. God deliberately doesn't give us absolute proof so that we're free to choose or not to choose to believe in Him.

So which way do you want to go? Be honest. Doesn't your heart at least hope that there is a good God, a transcendent validator of love and all the highest human values? Of course it does. Why would anyone not wish that life has some ultimate purpose, that good and evil are real, that there is ultimate justice, that our love for others means something?

If you choose to live as if there is a God, even if you are not sure there is a God, you lose nothing and you gain everything. According to the findings of multitude of scientific studies, religious Christians and Jews are happier, live longer, and are more charitable than their less observant or secular fellow citizens.

If you have been an atheist for a while, it may be difficult for you to change your thinking, even if you find some merit in the many rational arguments for God’s existence. But you can change your behavior. You can live as if God exists, even if you hold doubts. Why not? As I said, you lose nothing and you have everything to gain. This behavioral approach is far from new. The Jews have long had a saying, “We will do, and we will understand,” which acknowledges that action often precedes understanding.

So why not begin with an action? Why not pray the prayer of the skeptic? "God, if you exist, you must know that I'm not a believer. So, please, God, give me the gift of faith, in your time and in your way. I want to believe whatever is true. Amen.” If you say that and mean it, and give it some time, be prepared, because He will not ignore that prayer.
- Peter Kreeft, philosophy professor at Boston College
The brain of the designer must be cracked.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by Nobody: 10:29pm On Jan 06, 2019
The 3D Plane of Existence, which you call the world, is not really the whole world. I believe we have heard of Spirit World, that is also a world, but the mistake we are making in religions is believing that the Spirit world is somewhere else and physical world is here.

That is not actually how it works, both the Physical worlds (note the plural) and the spiritual worlds (note the plurals too) are all here, together, separated from each other and by membranes or veils of dimensions. It is done for wonderful reasons, if you see across the veils without being a trained mind, you could loose your senses, so leave organized religions for at least a year and research on God for a year and truth will begin to open up stage by stage.

So, about your subject of God, well, there are millions if not billions of Gods, cos God is level of awareness which is Cosmic Consciousness - fun word for awareness level of the Lord of the Sun (Sol) cos we are microcosms (Soul) of the Sun (Sol), we have plant consciousness level, animals consciousness level of awareness, so have we Humans with human level of awareness and some humans though few have achieved the God Consciousness and the associated levels of awareness. Once you have gotten to that stage, the ET/Alien/God DNA strands will be activated and your brain will generate hormanic brainwaves of that level and you will naturally pull data from Ether or Akashic Records within Sound Current Waves. At that points, ETs or Holy Spirits, Aliens or what ever fancy name you wanna call it, may be Demons or Angels (funny names) which are actually your ancestors in different costumes depending on their home planet structures will and can connect through you. That is where Channeling and all these spiritual churches prophesy and shhiit.

If you go further to the vibrational matrix, you will find Extraterrestrials and higher interdimensional entities who can come into physical reality and move higher as the wish and they are in millions too. You can also at that stage remote view, step outside your body, see through someone's eye, with capacities to mind fucck someone and even con people or use the power to invent things that help humanity. Africans prefer to channel the energy for some silly stuff instead of building rockets, in fact they open churches and start saying they communicate with God when it can be a little baby in another dimension.

So, when you mention the word like God ? What you really mean is that you are under the Mind Control Program of the Designers of the Matrix, cos they designed the 'One God' system on Earth and use such deceptions to benefit massively.

There is no need for One God, cos we are all One. We are the totality of One God in Existence seeing through different eyes. Even the ETs and few Humans can see through anyone's eye.

I wonder why One Being will enjoy seeing everything and being everything all at once. It will be pretty boring, so anyway, that is why we are on this Human experience hologram simulation hosted on some grand Computer. The One God is possible, but wont be the only Being with that possibilities attribute, cos if One Being could do it, then another can. Cos we are in this together.

You do not need any other God apart from the Spark in YOU. There are too many decoys out there. Look within, you will realize what you are. That which you find is searching for you too but you are lost in religions and newtonian sciences. You will be shocked at what you really are in your true essence if you ever realise what you are.

Always go within and fly.

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Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 10:33pm On Jan 06, 2019
HellVictorinho:

The brain of the designer must be cracked.
Explain what you mean by that.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 10:39pm On Jan 06, 2019
963AvatarSpirit:
The 3D Plane of Existence, which you call the world, is not really the whole world. I believe we have heard of Spirit World, that is also a world, but the mistake we are making in religions is believing that the Spirit world is somewhere else and physical world is here.

That is not actually how it works, both the Physical worlds (note the plural) and the spiritual worlds (note the plurals too) are all here, together, separated from each other and by membranes or veils of dimensions. It is done for wonderful reasons, if you see across the veils without being a trained mind, you could loose your senses, so leave organized religions for at least a year and research on God for a year and truth will begin to open up stage by stage.

So, about your subject of God, well, there are millions if not billions of Gods, cos God is level of awareness which is Cosmic Consciousness - fun word for awareness level of the Lord of the Sun (Sol) cos we are microcosms (Soul) of the Sun (Sol), we have plant consciousness level, animals consciousness level of awareness, so have we Humans with human level of awareness and some humans though few have achieved the God Consciousness and the associated levels of awareness. Once you have gotten to that stage, the ET/Alien/God DNA strands will be activated and your brain will generate hormanic brainwaves of that level and you will naturally pull data from Ether or Akashic Records within Sound Current Waves. At that points, ETs or Holy Spirits, Aliens or what ever fancy name you wanna call it, may be Demons or Angels (funny names) which are actually your ancestors in different costumes depending on their home planet structures will and can connect through you. That is where Channeling and all these spiritual churches prophesy and shhiit.

If you go further to the vibrational matrix, you will find Extraterrestrials and higher interdimensional entities who can come into physical reality and move higher as the wish and they are in millions too. You can also at that stage remote view, step outside your body, see through someone's eye, with capacities to mind fucck someone and even con people or use the power to invent things that help humanity. Africans prefer to channel the energy for some silly stuff instead of building rockets, in fact they open churches and start saying they communicate with God when it can be a little baby in another dimension.

So, when you mention the word like God ? What you really mean is that you are under the Mind Control Program of the Designers of the Matrix, cos they designed the 'One God' system on Earth and use such deceptions to benefit massively.

There is no need for One God, cos we are all One. We are the totality of One God in Existence seeing through different eyes. Even the ETs and few Humans can see through anyone's eye.

I wonder why One Being will enjoy seeing everything and being everything all at once. It will be pretty boring, so anyway, that is why we are on this Human experience hologram simulation hosted on some grand Computer. The One God is possible, but wont be the only Being with that possibilities attribute, cos if One Being could do it, then another can. Cos we are in this together.

You do not need any other God apart from the Spark in YOU. There are too many decoys out there. Look within, you will realize what you are. That which you find is searching for you too but you are lost in religions and newtonian sciences. You will be shocked at what you really are in your true essence if you ever realise what you are.

Always go within and fly.
Nice sounding words. smiley

Quick question, what was there in the BEGINNING before everything or the first thing ever started to exist?
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by Nobody: 11:01pm On Jan 06, 2019
9inches:
Nice sounding words. smiley

Quick question, what was there in the BEGINNING before everything or the first thing ever started to exist?



Beginning and End are spread within a specific Timeline. And there are many Timelines, so such questions are depressing to Humans who cant see outside the Time-Space Construct. Let me break it down.

So, for something to exist, means to the mind, that it must have a Begining and that everything that has a beginning must have an end, that is a classic Newtonian Physics Linear way of reasoning. Note that there are different timelines running simultaneously, and by that I mean the time at mars is not same as the time at Saturn etc, cos every plane and planet and star host life on different frequencies and dimensions. And their time is dependent on the dynamics of their local Star and the magneto-electric movement of the planets relative to their central star.

All TimeLines run simultaneously, sometimes our limited understanding of the Universe and Time has to do with the limited level of knowledge that both Religions and classical Science has taught us. We have to step into Quantum Field and Consciousness to ascertain such notions since the mind cant seem to operate outside a particular time zone on a planetary scale or Timeline.

The current time, which shows on clock on your computer and your phone and wrist-watches are there for you to work hard and know your allocated Time in this COnstruct is ticking. It is there to enable you fulfill your mission before you leave the body, it has nothing to do with permanence of Life and Existence. It is temporal and limited to Universes of the Game of Life, outside it, there is nothing like Time. If your question is when Life began on Earth, then you should know that the question has to be rephrased to when Earth was designed, when there was no Life as Physical Entity, cos some planets host life outside the Physicality, may be as Astral etc. So, it is convulated, but I can tell you that there is no Begining and No end, all you read about was Begining that the Humanoids, that created us, foisted on us when they arrived etc. They wrote our current history alongside the human accomplises. Though we are all Humans, humanoid etc. We are their products, they engineered us, but we are SPirit, so they are our friends, brothers, uncles etc. SOme uncles are bad, some are good, so ignore those demons and angels talk. As above, so below. We and ETs are pals, you can ffuck with them and they can fucck with you, or you do business together. I like to do business with them soon.

So your question, does not exist on the higher scheme of things, but for the Humans, it is depressing cos you are bound by Time and Space, but when you get to a higher consciousness, when you literally feel like a Spirit living a temporal moment on 3D and evolving to something greater, you will definitely know that Time is the Slave Masters clockwork to make you run around and get your Mission COmpleted before you vacate the physical existence.

Life has always been, and will always be, whether physically here or elsewhere, otherwise Spiritual on any dimension, but Life has always been and will always be. We merely change location and our space suit and move to a location that promotes our highest level of belief.

So it is safe to say, most Nigerians will become sheep in their next life time. They dont read, they like worshipping. grin

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Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 7:49am On Jan 07, 2019
9inches:
Explain what you mean by that.

He is insane.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 1:59pm On Jan 07, 2019
HellVictorinho:

He is insane.
EXPLAIN.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 3:21pm On Jan 07, 2019
9inches:
EXPLAIN.
She allegedly masterminded the Crime against Humanity which is Religion.
She allegedly masterminded genetic misdeamenors/hormonal misfortunes/natural disasters/problematic human behavior.
But I won't hold her responsible.
You are not convicted until proven guilty.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 5:19pm On Jan 07, 2019
HellVictorinho:

He is insane.
HellVictorinho:

She allegedly masterminded the Crime against Humanity which is Religion.
She allegedly masterminded genetic misdeamenors/hormonal misfortunes/natural disasters/problematic human behavior.
But I won't hold her responsible.
You are not convicted until proven guilty.
grin grin grin Still on the sanity talk, are you okay, dude? Do Gender dysphoria much?! grin

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Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 5:30pm On Jan 07, 2019
9inches:


grin grin grin Still on the sanity talk, are you okay, dude? Do Gender dysphoria much?! grin
Is your genderless God okay?
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 5:31pm On Jan 07, 2019
HellVictorinho:

She allegedly masterminded the Crime against Humanity which is Religion.
She allegedly masterminded genetic misdeamenors/hormonal misfortunes/natural disasters/problematic human behavior.
But I won't hold her responsible.
You are not convicted until proven guilty.
I feel you man. There shouldn't have been religion so that man can do as he wills and goes scot-free.

Hmm... I wonder if you could actually live your life like that. Mind telling what that looks like?

There's already-made answer on "why he created evil and/or suffering". I'm sure that's the basis of this your tantrum.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 5:53pm On Jan 07, 2019
9inches:
I feel you man. There shouldn't have been religion so that man can do as he wills and goes scot-free.

Hmm... I wonder if you could actually live your life like that. Mind telling what that looks like?

There's already-made answer on "why he created evil and/or suffering". I'm sure that's the basis of this your tantrum.
He didn't create anything!!!!!!
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 6:18pm On Jan 07, 2019
HellVictorinho:

Is your genderless God okay?
He is more than okay. Are you okay?

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Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 6:19pm On Jan 07, 2019
HellVictorinho:

He didn't create anything!!!!!!
Hehehehe... why are you yelling? What did I trigger you with? grin grin

If he didn't, who did?

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Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 6:27pm On Jan 07, 2019
9inches:
He is more than okay. Are you okay?
Now you call it a 'he'.
Does it have a penis.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 6:28pm On Jan 07, 2019
9inches:
Hehehehe... why are you yelling? What did I trigger you with? grin grin

If he didn't, who did?
You are a creationist,period.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 6:29pm On Jan 07, 2019
9inches:
He is more than okay. Are you okay?
How can you prove that he is okay?
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 7:00pm On Jan 07, 2019
HellVictorinho:

Now you call it a 'he'.
Does it have a penis.
You also have been calling him a "he". What about that?

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Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 7:02pm On Jan 07, 2019
HellVictorinho:

You are a creationist,period.
I just got bursted! Ouch! shocked
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 7:03pm On Jan 07, 2019
HellVictorinho:

How can you prove that he is okay?
I can't prove it. undecided
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 7:07pm On Jan 07, 2019
9inches:
You also have been calling him a "he". What about that?
I can call it anything I wish since it is undefined.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 7:07pm On Jan 07, 2019
9inches:
I can't prove it. undecided
You can't because it doesn't exist.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 4:42am On Jan 08, 2019
HellVictorinho:

I can call it anything I wish since it is undefined.
Or because you are confused and don't know him? Be sincere. grin

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Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 4:43am On Jan 08, 2019
9inches:
Who says he is undefined?
Then,describe it.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 4:43am On Jan 08, 2019
9inches:
Who says he is undefined?
Then,describe it.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 4:46am On Jan 08, 2019
HellVictorinho:

You can't because it doesn't exist.
Wrong. You can't prove a lot of things. You don't need to much education to know this, come on!

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Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 4:49am On Jan 08, 2019
9inches:
Wrong. You can't prove a lot of things. You don't need to much education to know this, come on!
So you know you can't prove it.
Yet, you are claiming it is a fact.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by Came4apost(m): 5:12am On Jan 08, 2019
Most people who say God is real or not, don't have enough evidence, but does who get angry or fight or can't think straight about it are suffering from cognitive dismissal.... Deep down, you know you don't have enough evidence to proof your fact, but because of your database of knowledge and environment and other factors that influenced your thoughts, ... You are hardened.. For you to think like me you need to be able to free your mind and actually think outside of the box.. Perspective is everything...
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by HellVictorinho(m): 6:12am On Jan 08, 2019
9inches:
Or because you are confused and don't know him? Be sincere. grin
Stupid question.
Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by NPComplete: 6:38am On Jan 08, 2019
963AvatarSpirit:



Beginning and End are spread within a specific Timeline. And there are many Timelines, so such questions are depressing to Humans who cant see outside the Time-Space Construct. Let me break it down.

So, for something to exist, means to the mind, that it must have a Begining and that everything that has a beginning must have an end, that is a classic Newtonian Physics Linear way of reasoning. Note that there are different timelines running simultaneously, and by that I mean the time at mars is not same as the time at Saturn etc, cos every plane and planet and star host life on different frequencies and dimensions. And their time is dependent on the dynamics of their local Star and the magneto-electric movement of the planets relative to their central star.

All TimeLines run simultaneously, sometimes our limited understanding of the Universe and Time has to do with the limited level of knowledge that both Religions and classical Science has taught us. We have to step into Quantum Field and Consciousness to ascertain such notions since the mind cant seem to operate outside a particular time zone on a planetary scale or Timeline.

The current time, which shows on clock on your computer and your phone and wrist-watches are there for you to work hard and know your allocated Time in this COnstruct is ticking. It is there to enable you fulfill your mission before you leave the body, it has nothing to do with permanence of Life and Existence. It is temporal and limited to Universes of the Game of Life, outside it, there is nothing like Time. If your question is when Life began on Earth, then you should know that the question has to be rephrased to when Earth was designed, when there was no Life as Physical Entity, cos some planets host life outside the Physicality, may be as Astral etc. So, it is convulated, but I can tell you that there is no Begining and No end, all you read about was Begining that the Humanoids, that created us, foisted on us when they arrived etc. They wrote our current history alongside the human accomplises. Though we are all Humans, humanoid etc. We are their products, they engineered us, but we are SPirit, so they are our friends, brothers, uncles etc. SOme uncles are bad, some are good, so ignore those demons and angels talk. As above, so below. We and ETs are pals, you can ffuck with them and they can fucck with you, or you do business together. I like to do business with them soon.

So your question, does not exist on the higher scheme of things, but for the Humans, it is depressing cos you are bound by Time and Space, but when you get to a higher consciousness, when you literally feel like a Spirit living a temporal moment on 3D and evolving to something greater, you will definitely know that Time is the Slave Masters clockwork to make you run around and get your Mission COmpleted before you vacate the physical existence.

Life has always been, and will always be, whether physically here or elsewhere, otherwise Spiritual on any dimension, but Life has always been and will always be. We merely change location and our space suit and move to a location that promotes our highest level of belief.

So it is safe to say, most Nigerians will become sheep in their next life time. They dont read, they like worshipping. grin

@finalboss I told u this guy will be back very soon. He just can't help himself.

Billyonaire, happy new year.

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Re: Why Even Atheists Should Want There To Be A God by 9inches(m): 8:35am On Jan 08, 2019
HellVictorinho:

Stupid question.
Am I getting on your nerves? Why are you this triggered? You're killing yourself man.

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