alBHAGDADI:

@OLAADEGBU

The other day, you were arguing with me that Saved by Grace alone aka Once saved always saved is a false doctrine. The last picture you posted on this thread shows that that is what the early and true Christians believed in which is contrary to what the Pope and Catholics believed.

alBHAGDADI:


The Roman Catholic believed in Works based salvation which is a rejection of Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross. Can you see that the early Christians were willing and indeed died for the believe of Once Saved Always Saved?

alBHAGDADI:


Why has the kind of persecution they suffered stopped today? Because today's false churches teach works based salvation - a Catholic satanic doctrine. Since they are doing Satan's job, he sees no reason to persecute them.

OLAADEGBU:


You are mixing issues up here. Saved by Grace Alone is not the same as Once saved always saved (OSAS).



The early Christians did not believe in OSAS the scriptures are there to prove that.



Who told you that of persecution has stopped? True Christians still suffer persecutions all over the world especially in the Muslim and Hindu dominated lands. The fact that the mainstream and most social media outlets do not report them does not mean that it is not happening.

alBHAGDADI:


Don't you get it?

If you are depending on Grace to save you, then it means there's notHing else you can do to be saved other than depending on Grace. This also means your works of righteousness cannot save you.

On the other hand, depending on works aka works based salvation is a rejection of Grace. What such people are saying is that Grace is not enough to get them saved, they have to add their own works to complete the equation. That is what the Anabaptist or early Christians rejected. Their rejection of works based salvation means they totally depended on the Grace of Jesus which is sufficient. They knew their works were filthy rags. Any Christian depending on his works to get him to saved has simply rejected Jesus Christ's work on the cross and is now following the dictates of the Catholic Church. The Mother of Harlots knows that many so-called churches today are dancing to their tune, that's why they have stop persecuting them.

OLAADEGBU:


I believe you are barking up the wrong tree here. You first mixed up the meaning of saved by grace alone with the 'once saved ever saved doctrine,' and now you are wrongly claiming that I have been arguing for works based salvation. See the suggested thread here where I posted the documentation of the difference between works based churches with true Christiantiy.--> https://www.nairaland.com/4676300/comparison-grid-rcc-mormonism-jw

alBHAGDADI:


If you say saved by grace ALONE, then why are you now saying not sinning also plays a part?

alBHAGDADI:


If you say saved by grace ALONE, then why are you now saying not sinning also plays a part?

Ubenedictus:
What is it that you dont understand? he who has grace departs from sin.

just an addition, the catholic church also believes in grace alone, sola gratia, but we dont believe in one saved always saved. if salvation is a gift then it can be rejected.

OLAADEGBU:


Happy New Year, Anas09

alBHAGDADI:

@OLAADEGBU

The other day, you were arguing with me that Saved by Grace alone aka Once saved always saved is a false doctrine. The last picture you posted on this thread shows that that is what the early and true Christians believed in which is contrary to what the Pope and Catholics believed.

The Roman Catholic believed in Works based salvation which is a rejection of Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross. Can you see that the early Christians were willing and indeed died for the believe of Once Saved Always Saved?

Why has the kind of persecution they suffered stopped today? Because today's false churches teach works based salvation - a Catholic satanic doctrine. Since they are doing Satan's job, he sees no reason to persecute them.

Anas09:


Happy New Year good brother. Reading Riberea's Exposé gives me an understanding of how Catholicism is Babylon the Great.

solite3:


Once saved forever saved is true but usually misunderstood by many.
If you know what it's means to be saved the you will understand that such cannot lose eternal life.

Ubenedictus:
lol,
I don't have time for conspiracy theories, that is a waste of time, I only question the mental stability of those who believe and spread such.


Someone thinks the Vatican has a super computer with the list of all the protestants in the world and the Pope is just waiting to kill them all.... Come-on!!! How do you answer such insanity except maybe recommend a doctor.

alBHAGDADI:


Yes, he who is saved departs from sin but not totally as his flesh will always tempt him to sin once in a while. The fsCt that he is saved will always differentiate him from unsaved people: he won't wallow in that sin unlike unsaved people who are pigs.

But to say sin, as little as telling lies, will prevent a saved person from heaven is a big heresy, and that is what you Catholics and deceived Pentecostals believe in.

Ubenedictus:


IF YOU BELIEVE ALL THAT THEN YOU NEED A DOCTOR

Ubenedictus:
Again stop confusing catholics with protestants. A mistake like a lie unknowingly told does not prevent a saved person from heaven even though he should try and aviod such. But a grave sin knowingly committed with full consent like apostasy, idolatry or even perjury is a denial of our christain calling and those who do such will not inherit the kingdom. That is why catholics differentiate between sins that are committed because of human weakness and those that are a rejection of grace.

oaroloye:


SHALOM!

There is nothing outlandish about the allegation that THE HOLY OFFICE has a list of all of the Protestants in the World.

Firstly, you have to consider the accuser, and where he came from. PROTESTANTISM WAS ILLEGAL WHERE HE CAME FROM- Roman Catholic dominated SPAIN. Therefore, as a monk in-training for the Priesthood, IT WAS HIS JOB to find and infiltrate such Churches, and identify every member, with a view to jailing and even executing them.

At the time of his sensational revelations (the early 1970s), the idea of Computer-Filing Deathlists was still novel. However, it was later disclosed that the Computer giant INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES (IBM) had participated in the (falsely exaggerated) HOLOCAUST, by COMPUTER-INDEXING (the false) JEWISH CONCENTRATION-CAMP PRISONERS.

However, that time was the middle of "THE COLD WAR," and what ALBERTO RIVERA had done for the Roman Catholic Church WAS HAPPENING TO THE CHRISTIANS OF ALL DENOMINATIONS IN THE COMMUNIST COUNTRIES.

The reason for these measures became much clearer in JACK T. CHICK'S third volume of Bishop Dr. Alberto Rivera's disclosures: THE GODFATHERS- in which he revealed that ISLAM was accidentally created from "BLOWBACK" from a plot to unite North Africa and Arabia for Roman Catholicism, BY CREATING A SAINT.

We have seen them use this strategy, even thousands of times.

More relevant and damaging was Alberto Rivera's irrefutable evidence that COMMUNISM, was also created by The ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, and got out of control, when the assassins tasked with the assassination of the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX Patriarch were instead bought off by his vast treasure, which he gave up for his life, and the continuation of his Church.

Therefore, the assassins seized power for themselves, and broke ties with the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH- while living in fear that the Pope would one day send assassins after THEM.

Knowing this BACKSTORY to their Political System, no Communist Government could be foolish enough to trust any variety of Christianity- no matter how benign a appearing.

What the Communists feared came to pass, because Alberto Rivera told us that NAZISM and FASCISM were SPECIFICALLY-CREATED to destroy COMMUNISM and PROTESTANTISM.

ADOLF HITLER lost the War by overextending his forces against RUSSIA, whose leader, JOSEF STALIN, used the unprecedented "SCORCHED EARTH" tactic, that left the German Army without supplies in the dead of Russian Winter!

Adolf Hitler surely reasoned that with GOD on his side, whatever he tried would succeed.
When he failed, The Roman Catholic Church threw both him AND his Pope under the bus, to cover up their involvement in the generations to come. However, they had to give up their seat on THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS.

So, you see, that it is not farfetched that The Roman Catholic Church keeps a CENSUS of ALL CHRISTIANS. They would be FOOLS not to.

THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY (CIA) of America records every email and telephone call in the World through its ECHELON computer system. After years of denial, its existence was confirmed through FRENCH INTELLIGENCE, at the turn of the Century, who proved that they were using it to steal French Industrial Secrets.

As Francis Bacon said: KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

alBHAGDADI:


Look, sin is sin no matter what.

Except you want to show me a verse that say certain sins can't stop one from going to heaven.

alBHAGDADI:
Look, sin is sin no matter what.

Except you want to show me a verse that say certain sins can't stop one from going to heaven.

OLAADEGBU:

Where is Ubenedictus to respond to this?

OLAADEGBU:


Are you also in denial of the holocaust?

Ubenedictus:
Read up 1 jn 5:16,17
sin is sin but not every sin is mortal aka deadly.

alBHAGDADI:


Still doesn't answer my question. I asked you to show me a verse that says certain sins can't stop one from heaven, but you haven't. Instead you are showing me a verse about normal death.

1 John 5:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

OLAADEGBU:


Can you justify OSAS with the following conditional verses?

"But Christ as a son over His own house, whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end" (Hebrews 3:6).

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ,
if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end" (Hebrews 3:12-14).

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, If ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain" (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).

"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning" (2 Peter 2:20)

You can get more verses from this thread --> https://www.nairaland.com/3872423/christian-lose-salvation

alBHAGDADI:


Yes, he who is saved departs from sin but not totally as his flesh will always tempt him to sin once in a while. The fsCt that he is saved will always differentiate him from unsaved people: he won't wallow in that sin unlike unsaved people who are pigs.

But to say sin, as little as telling lies, will prevent a saved person from heaven is a big heresy, and that is what you Catholics and deceived Pentecostals believe in.

Anas09:


AL. You do nothing to earn salvation, but after salvation you work the Word. Obeying the commandments of God is doing his Works.
Read within lines and tell me what you think the Lord is saying here.

Matt 5:20-
Don't suppose for a minute that I have come to demolish the Scriptures— either God's Law or the Prophets.

I'm not here to demolish but to complete. I am going to put it all together, pull it all together in a vast panorama.

God's Law is more real and lasting than the stars in the sky and the ground at your feet.

Long after stars burn out and earth wears out, God's Law will be alive and working. "Trivialize even the smallest item in God's Law and you will only have trivialized yourself.

But take it seriously, show the way for others, and you will find honor in the kingdom.

Unless you do far better than the Pharisees in the matters of right living, you won't know the first thing about entering the kingdom.

If there is no works, why does Christ talk abt right living? Shouldn't you just go ahead living in your sin since Christ had paid the price?

When you stop lying, stealing, cheating, and begin to exercise your faith, your are working the Word.

Ubenedictus:


Again stop confusing catholics with protestants. A mistake like a lie unknowingly told does not prevent a saved person from heaven even though he should try and aviod such. But a grave sin knowingly committed with full consent like apostasy, idolatry or even perjury is a denial of our christain calling and those who do such will not inherit the kingdom. That is why catholics differentiate between sins that are committed because of human weakness and those that are a rejection of grace.

Ubenedictus:


Read up 1 jn 5:16,17
sin is sin but not every sin is mortal aka deadly.

Ubenedictus:


THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIST.

OLAADEGBU:


That term is a misnomer.