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Re: The Way by budaatum: 11:01pm On Feb 28, 2019
jesusjnr:
I don't consider that saying to be a genuine translation of the gospel of Jesus, so please if i'm going to be involved in this, you'd have to use a version that's in consonance with the king James version of the Bible, and not one that has been twisted and turned to favor one's own inclination and beliefs.

If not no deal!
[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19%3A16-24&version=KJV]Matthew 19:16-24 King James Version (KJV)[/url]
Re: The Way by Nobody: 11:10pm On Feb 28, 2019
budaatum:

[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19%3A16-24&version=KJV]Matthew 19:16-24 King James Version (KJV)[/url]
Why not also quote it and you would see why I chose to stick with the king James version.
Re: The Way by Nobody: 11:22pm On Feb 28, 2019
budaatum:
Have you read what the showerhead said to buda? Now that I think of it, it's like a burning bush and Balaam's ass maybe.

God is not after anyone's perfection. And I say that despite Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Come, just the way you are, is part of a hymn that makes the same claim, and is in fact the entire embodiment of "by grace, and not by your fruits" (though, the importance of works should never be glossed over).

God's Word was perfect in the beginning when God said, "Let there be", and is in fact what is meant by "and there was". It has always been perfect and will always be perfect, even down to Paul adding his bits to it and some corrupt people changing some meanings. We imperfect human beings will continue to strive to understand it with out imperfect minds. It is how we become perfected.

As to the standard being the same, I read somewhere that to whom more is given, more is expected. I think its in one of the holy books I read.
"More" on that occasion doesn't mean lesser quality, it means more of the same quality. So the quality is the same.

Just like in the instance of a vine, there are some branches that have been given more and some that have been given less.

So the ones which have been given more are expected to produce more fruits, while those that have been given less are expected to produce less fruits.

But the quality of the fruits remains the same.
Re: The Way by Nobody: 12:09am On Mar 01, 2019
budaatum:


God is not after anyone's perfection. And I say that despite Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Now you deliberately contradicted Jesus saying, by your saying that God is not after anyone's perfection, so do I need to say anything more here?

Jesus showed that that was the essence of Him the perfect Word of God, being made flesh was for man to become perfect as God in heaven is.

And maybe you could afford to say the otherwise of the saying of Jesus, but being His disciple I must say in consonance with His saying that there's nothing that would bring God as much glory, than a descendant of sinful and Imperfect Adam, becoming perfect as God is.
Re: The Way by budaatum: 9:15am On Mar 01, 2019
jesusjnr:
Now you deliberately contradicted Jesus saying, by your saying that God is not after anyone's perfection, so do I need to say anything more here?

Jesus showed that that was the essence of Him the perfect Word of God, being made flesh was for man to become perfect as God in heaven is.

And maybe you could afford to say the otherwise of the saying of Jesus, but being His disciple I must say in consonance with His saying that there's nothing that would bring God as much glory, than a descendant of sinful and Imperfect Adam, becoming perfect as God is.
At the beginning of that chapter, it says: "His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them." Could you tell me which of Jesus disciples came close to perfection?

Humans are just not perfect by design. God could have made us perfect on creation, but it seems God chose not to, and I'm not claiming we cannot be perfected through Christ. The issue with perfection is that some assume they are more perfect than others just as you have alluded with your "but being His disciple I must".

The point however is not whether human perfection would please God or not, nor is it about the perfection of humans, but about the perfection of the Word of a perfect God from the very beginning though ever imperfect human has always misunderstood it. If perfected human beings were the only ones allowed into the KoG, there'd be a tiny few in heaven. Hence Grace, as they say.
Re: The Way by budaatum: 9:17am On Mar 01, 2019
jesusjnr:
Why not also quote it and you would see why I chose to stick with the king James version.
Stop needlessly testing my patience! Nothing stops you quoting it yourself when you respond.
Re: The Way by budaatum: 9:18am On Mar 01, 2019
jesusjnr:


But the quality of the fruits remains the same.
The quality of everyone's fruit cannot be the same since some know not what they do.
Re: The Way by budaatum: 9:34am On Mar 01, 2019
Proverbs 18 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Contrast the Upright and the Wicked
18 He who [willfully] separates himself [from God and man] seeks his own desire,
He quarrels against all sound wisdom.
2
A [closed-minded] fool does not delight in understanding,
But only in revealing his personal opinions [unwittingly displaying his self-indulgence and his stupidity].
3
When the wicked man comes [to the depth of evil], contempt [of all that is pure and good] also comes,
And with inner baseness (dishonor) comes outer shame (scorn).
4
The words of a man’s mouth are like deep waters [copious and difficult to fathom];
The fountain of [mature, godly] wisdom is like a bubbling stream [sparkling, fresh, pure, and life-giving].
5
To show respect to the wicked person is not good,
Nor to push aside and deprive the righteous of justice.
6
A fool’s lips bring contention and strife,
And his mouth invites a beating.
7
A fool’s mouth is his ruin,
And his lips are the snare of his soul.
8
The words of a whisperer (gossip) are like dainty morsels [to be greedily eaten];
They go down into the innermost chambers of the body [to be remembered and mused upon].
9
He who is careless in his work
Is a brother to him who destroys.
10
The name of the Lord is a strong tower;
The righteous runs to it and is safe and set on high [far above evil].
11
The rich man’s wealth is his strong city,
And like a high wall [of protection] in his own imagination and conceit.
12
Before disaster the heart of a man is haughty and filled with self-importance,
But humility comes before honor.
13
He who answers before he hears [the facts]—
It is folly and shame to him.
14
The spirit of a man sustains him in sickness,
But as for a broken spirit, who can bear it?
15
The mind of the prudent [always] acquires knowledge,
And the ear of the wise [always] seeks knowledge.
16
A man’s gift [given in love or courtesy] makes room for him
And brings him before great men.
17
The first one to plead his case seems right,
Until another comes and cross-examines him.
18
[a]To cast lots puts an end to quarrels
And decides between powerful contenders.
19
A brother offended is harder to win over than a fortified city,
And contentions [separating families] are like the bars of a castle.
20
A man’s stomach will be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth;
He will be satisfied with the consequence of his words.
21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue,
And those who love it and indulge it will eat its fruit and bear the consequences of their words.
22
He who finds a [[b]true and faithful] wife finds a good thing
And obtains favor and approval from the Lord.
23
The poor man pleads,
But the rich man answers roughly.
24
The man of too many friends [chosen indiscriminately] will be broken in pieces and come to ruin,
But there is a [true, loving] friend who [is reliable and] sticks closer than a brother.
Re: The Way by Nobody: 11:14am On Mar 01, 2019
budaatum:

The quality of everyone's fruit cannot be the same since some know not what they do.
The quality of the fruits of all those branches with respect to Jesus the vine, is the same, even though some bear more fruits than others.

All those who know not what they are doing are not abiding in the vine, and hence do not bear fruits.

And as Jesus said any one that bear not fruits shall be cast down, and burnt by the fire. cheesy
Re: The Way by budaatum: 6:52am On Mar 02, 2019
Re: The Way by budaatum: 6:54am On Mar 02, 2019
Proverbs 19 Amplified Bible (AMP)
On Life and Conduct
19 Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity
Than a [rich] man who is twisted in his speech and is a [shortsighted] fool.
2
Also it is not good for a person to be without knowledge,
And he who hurries with his feet [acting impulsively and proceeding without caution or analyzing the consequences] sins (misses the mark).
3
The foolishness of man undermines his way [ruining whatever he undertakes];
Then his heart is resentful and rages against the Lord [for, being a fool, he blames the Lord instead of himself].
4
Wealth makes many friends,
But a poor man is separated from his friend.
5
A false witness will not go unpunished,
And he who breathes out lies will not escape.
6
Many will seek the favor of a generous and noble man,
And everyone is a friend to him who gives gifts.
7
All the brothers of a poor man hate him;
How much more do his friends abandon him!
He pursues them with words, but they are gone.
8
He who gains wisdom and good sense loves (preserves) his own soul;
He who keeps understanding will find good and prosper.
9
A false witness will not go unpunished,
And he who breathes lies will perish.
10
Luxury is not fitting for a fool;
Much less for a slave to rule over princes.
11
Good sense and discretion make a man slow to anger,
And it is his honor and glory to overlook a transgression or an offense [without seeking revenge and harboring resentment].
12
The king’s wrath terrifies like the roaring of a lion,
But his favor is as [refreshing and nourishing as] dew on the grass.
13
A foolish (ungodly) son is destruction to his father,
And the contentions of a [quarrelsome] wife are like a constant dripping [of water].
14
House and wealth are the inheritance from fathers,
But a wise, understanding, and sensible wife is [a gift and blessing] from the Lord.
15
Laziness casts one into a deep sleep [unmindful of lost opportunity],
And the idle person will suffer hunger.
16
He who keeps and obeys the commandment [of the Lord] keeps (guards) his own life,
But he who is careless of his ways and conduct will die.
17
He who is gracious and lends a hand to the poor lends to the Lord,
And the Lord will repay him for his good deed.
18
Discipline and teach your son while there is hope,
And do not [indulge your anger or resentment by imposing inappropriate punishment nor] desire his destruction.
19
A man of great anger will bear the penalty [for his quick temper and lack of self-control];
For if you rescue him [and do not let him learn from the consequences of his action], you will only have to rescue him over and over again.
20
Listen to counsel, receive instruction, and accept correction,
That you may be wise in the time to come.
21
Many plans are in a man’s mind,
But it is the Lord’s purpose for him that will stand (be carried out).
22
That which is desirable in a man is his loyalty and unfailing love,
But it is better to be a poor man than a [wealthy] liar.
23
The fear of the Lord leads to life,
So that one may sleep satisfied, untouched by evil.
24
The lazy man buries his hand in the [food] dish,
But will not even bring it to his mouth again.
25
Strike a scoffer [for refusing to learn], and the naive may [be warned and] become prudent;
Reprimand one who has understanding and a teachable spirit, and he will gain knowledge and insight.
26
He who assaults his father and chases away his mother
Is a son who brings shame and disgrace.
27
Cease listening, my son, to instruction and discipline
And you will stray from the words of knowledge.
28
A wicked and worthless witness mocks justice,
And the mouth of the wicked spreads iniquity.
29
Judgments are prepared for scoffers,
And beatings for the backs of [thickheaded] fools.
Re: The Way by budaatum: 2:11pm On Mar 04, 2019
Proverbs 20 Amplified Bible (AMP)
On Life and Conduct
20 Wine is a mocker, strong drink a riotous brawler;
And whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise.
2
The terror of a king is like the roaring of a lion;
Whoever provokes him to anger forfeits his own life.
3
It is an honor for a man to keep away from strife [by handling situations with thoughtful foresight],
But any fool will [start a] quarrel [without regard for the consequences].
4
The lazy man does not plow when the winter [planting] season arrives;
So he begs at the [next] harvest and has nothing [to reap].
5
A plan (motive, wise counsel) in the heart of a man is like water in a deep well,
But a man of understanding draws it out.
6
Many a man proclaims his own loyalty and goodness,
But who can find a faithful and trustworthy man?
7
The righteous man who walks in integrity and lives life in accord with his [godly] beliefs—
How blessed [happy and spiritually secure] are his children after him [who have his example to follow].
8
A [discerning] king who sits on the throne of judgment
Sifts all evil [like chaff] with his eyes [and cannot be easily fooled].
9
Who can say, “I have cleansed my heart,
I am pure from my sin?”
10
Differing weights [one for buying and another for selling] and differing measures,
Both of them are detestable and offensive to the Lord.
11
Even a boy is known and distinguished by his acts,
Whether his conduct is pure and right.
12
The hearing ear and the seeing eye,
The [omnipotent] Lord has made both of them.
13
Do not love [excessive] sleep, or you will become poor;
Open your eyes [so that you can do your work] and you will be satisfied with bread.
14
“It is [almost] worthless, it is [almost] worthless,” says the buyer [as he negotiates the price];
But when he goes his way, then he boasts [about his bargain].
15
There is gold, and an abundance of pearls,
But the lips of knowledge are a vessel of preciousness [the most precious of all].
16
[The judge tells the creditor], “Take the clothes of one who is surety for a stranger;
And hold him in pledge [when he guarantees a loan] for foreigners.”
17
Food gained by deceit is sweet to a man,
But afterward his mouth will be filled with gravel [just as sin may be sweet at first, but later its consequences bring despair].
18
Plans are established by counsel;
So make war [only] with wise guidance.
19
He who goes about as a gossip reveals secrets;
Therefore do not associate with a gossip [who talks freely or flatters].
20
Whoever curses his father or his mother,
His lamp [of life] will be extinguished in time of darkness.
21
An inheritance hastily gained [by greedy, unjust means] at the beginning
Will not be blessed in the end.
22
Do not say, “I will repay evil”;
Wait [expectantly] for the Lord, and He will rescue and save you.
23
Differing weights are detestable and offensive to the Lord,
And fraudulent scales are not good.
24
Man’s steps are ordered and ordained by the Lord.
How then can a man [fully] understand his way?
25
It is a trap for a man to [[a]speak a vow of consecration and] say rashly, “It is holy!”
And [not until] afterward consider [whether he can fulfill it].
26
A wise king sifts out the wicked [from among the good]
And drives the [threshing] wheel over them [to separate the chaff from the grain].
27
The [b]spirit (conscience) of man is the lamp of the Lord,
Searching and examining all the innermost parts of his being.
28
Loyalty and mercy, truth and faithfulness, protect the king,
And he upholds his throne by lovingkindness.
29
The glory of young men is their [physical] strength,
And the honor of aged men is their gray head [representing wisdom and experience].
30
Blows that wound cleanse away evil,
And strokes reach to the innermost parts.

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Re: The Way by budaatum: 11:21am On Mar 05, 2019
Proverbs 21 Amplified Bible (AMP)
On Life and Conduct
21 The king’s heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord;
He turns it whichever way He wishes.
2
Every man’s way is right in his own eyes,
But the Lord weighs and examines the hearts [of people and their motives].
3
To do righteousness and justice
Is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice [for wrongs repeatedly committed].
4
Haughty and arrogant eyes and a proud heart,
The lamp of the wicked [their self-centered pride], is sin [in the eyes of God].
5
The plans of the diligent lead surely to abundance and advantage,
But everyone who acts in haste comes surely to poverty.
6
Acquiring treasures by a lying tongue
Is a fleeting vapor, the seeking and pursuit of death.
7
The violence of the wicked will [return to them and] drag them away [like fish caught in a net],
Because they refuse to act with justice.
8
The way of the guilty is [exceedingly] crooked,
But as for the pure, his conduct is upright.
9
It is better to live in a corner of the housetop [on the flat roof, exposed to the weather]
Than in a house shared with a quarrelsome (contentious) woman.
10
The soul of the wicked desires evil [like an addictive substance];
His neighbor finds no compassion in his eyes.
11
When the scoffer is punished, the naive [observes the lesson and] becomes wise;
But when the wise and teachable person is instructed, he receives knowledge.
12
The righteous one keeps an eye on the house of the wicked—
How the wicked are cast down to ruin.
13
Whoever shuts his ears at the cry of the poor
Will cry out himself and not be answered.
14
A gift in secret subdues anger,
And a bribe [hidden] in the pocket, strong wrath.
15
When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous (the upright, the one in right standing with God),
But to the evildoers it is disaster.
16
A man who wanders from the way of understanding (godly wisdom)
Will remain in the assembly of the dead.
17
He who loves [only selfish] pleasure will become a poor man;
He who loves and is devoted to [a]wine and [olive] oil will not become rich.
18
The wicked become a ransom for the righteous,
And the treacherous in the place of the upright [for they fall into their own traps].
19
It is better to dwell in a desert land
Than with a contentious and troublesome woman.
20
There is precious treasure and oil in the house of the wise [who prepare for the future],
But a short-sighted and foolish man swallows it up and wastes it.
21
He who earnestly seeks righteousness and loyalty
Finds life, righteousness, and honor.
22
A wise man scales the city [walls] of the mighty
And brings down the stronghold in which they trust.
23
He who guards his mouth and his tongue
Guards himself from troubles.
24
“Proud,” “Haughty,” “Scoffer,” are his names
Who acts with overbearing and insolent pride.
25
The desire of the lazy kills him,
For his hands refuse to labor;
26
He craves all the day long [and does no work],
But the righteous [willingly] gives and does not withhold [what he has].
27
The sacrifice of the wicked is detestable and offensive [to the Lord].
How much more [unacceptable and insulting can it be] when he brings it with evil intention?
28
A false witness will perish,
But a man who listens to the truth will speak forever and go unchallenged.
29
A wicked man puts on a bold face,
But as for the upright, he considers, directs, and establishes his way [with the confidence of integrity].
30
There is no [human] wisdom or understanding
Or counsel [that can prevail] against the Lord.
31
The horse is prepared for the day of battle,
But deliverance and victory belong to the Lord.
Re: The Way by budaatum: 8:24pm On Mar 06, 2019
Proverbs 22 Amplified Bible (AMP)
On Life and Conduct
22 A good name [earned by honorable behavior, godly wisdom, moral courage, and personal integrity] is more desirable than great riches;
And favor is better than silver and gold.
2
The rich and poor have a common bond;
The Lord is the Maker of them all.
3
A prudent and far-sighted person sees the evil [of sin] and hides himself [from it],
But the naive continue on and are punished [by suffering the consequences of sin].
4
The reward of humility [that is, having a realistic view of one’s importance] and the [reverent, worshipful] fear of the Lord
Is riches, honor, and life.
5
Thorns and snares are in the way of the obstinate [for their lack of honor and their wrong-doing traps them];
He who guards himself [with godly wisdom] will be far from them and avoid the consequences they suffer.
6
Train up a child in the way he should go [teaching him to seek God’s wisdom and will for his abilities and talents],
Even when he is old he will not depart from it.
7
The rich rules over the poor,
And the borrower is servant to the lender.
8
He who sows injustice will reap [a harvest of] trouble,
And the rod of his wrath [with which he oppresses others] will fail.
9
He who is generous will be blessed,
For he gives some of his food to the poor.
10
Drive out the scoffer, and contention will go away;
Even strife and dishonor will cease.
11
He who loves purity of heart
And whose speech is gracious will have the king as his friend.
12
The eyes of the Lord keep guard over knowledge and the one who has it,
But He overthrows the words of the treacherous.
13
The lazy one [manufactures excuses and] says, “There is a lion outside!
I will be killed in the streets [if I go out to work]!”
14
The mouth of an immoral woman is a deep pit [deep and inescapable];
He who is cursed by the Lord [because of his adulterous sin] will fall into it.
15
Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child;
The rod of discipline [correction administered with godly wisdom and lovingkindness] will remove it far from him.
16
He who oppresses or exploits the poor to get more for himself
Or who gives to the rich [to gain influence and favor], will only come to poverty.

17
Listen carefully and hear the [a]words of the wise,
And apply your mind to my knowledge;
18
For it will be pleasant if you keep them in mind [incorporating them as guiding principles];
Let them be ready on your lips [to guide and strengthen yourself and others].
19
So that your trust and reliance and confidence may be in the Lord,
I have taught these things to you today, even to you.
20
Have I not written to you excellent things
In counsels and knowledge,
21
To let you know the certainty of the words of truth,
That you may give a correct answer to him who sent you?

22
Do not rob the poor because he is poor [and defenseless],
Nor crush the afflicted [by legal proceedings] at the gate [where the city court is held],
23
For the Lord will plead their case
And take the life of those who rob them.

24
Do not even associate with a man given to angry outbursts;
Or go [along] with a hot-tempered man,
25
Or you will learn his [undisciplined] ways
And get yourself trapped [in a situation from which it is hard to escape].

26
Do not be among those who give pledges [involving themselves in others’ finances],
Or among those who become guarantors for others’ debts.
27
If you have nothing with which to pay [another’s debt when he defaults],
Why should his creditor take your bed from under you?

28
Do not move the ancient landmark [at the boundary of the property]
Which your fathers have set.

29
Do you see a man skillful and experienced in his work?
He will stand [in honor] before kings;
He will not stand before obscure men.
Re: The Way by budaatum: 12:01am On Mar 07, 2019
Proverbs 23 Amplified Bible (AMP)
On Life and Conduct
23 When you sit down to dine with a ruler,
Consider carefully what is [set] before you;
2
For you will put a knife to your throat
If you are a man of great appetite.
3
Do not desire his delicacies,
For it is deceptive food [offered to you with questionable motives].

4
Do not weary yourself [with the overwhelming desire] to gain wealth;
Cease from your own understanding of it.
5
When you set your eyes on wealth, it is [suddenly] gone.
For wealth certainly makes itself wings
Like an eagle that flies to the heavens.

6
Do not eat the bread of a selfish man,
Or desire his delicacies;
7
For as he thinks in his heart, so is he [in behavior—one who manipulates].
He says to you, “Eat and drink,”
Yet his heart is not with you [but it is begrudging the cost].
8
The morsel which you have eaten you will vomit up,
And you will waste your compliments.

9
Do not speak in the ears of a fool,
For he will despise the [godly] wisdom of your words.

10
Do not move the ancient landmark [at the boundary of the property]
And do not go into the fields of the fatherless [to take what is theirs],
11
For their Redeemer is strong and mighty;
He will plead their case against you.
12
Apply your heart to discipline
And your ears to words of knowledge.

13
Do not withhold discipline from the child;
If you [a]swat him with a reed-like rod [applied with godly wisdom], he will not die.
14
You shall [b]swat him with the reed-like rod
And rescue his life from Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead).

15
My son, if your heart is wise,
My heart will also be glad;
16
Yes, my heart will rejoice
When your lips speak right things.

17
Do not let your heart envy sinners [who live godless lives and have no hope of salvation],
But [continue to] live in the [reverent, worshipful] fear of the Lord day by day.
18
Surely there is a future [and a reward],
And your hope and expectation will not be cut off.
19
Listen, my son, and be wise,
And direct your heart in the way [of the Lord].
20
Do not associate with heavy drinkers of wine,
Or with gluttonous eaters of meat,
21
For the heavy drinker and the glutton will come to poverty,
And the drowsiness [of overindulgence] will clothe one with rags.

22
Listen to your father, who sired you,
And do not despise your mother when she is old.
23
[c]Buy truth, and do not sell it;
Get wisdom and instruction and understanding.

24
The father of the righteous will greatly rejoice,
And he who sires a wise child will have joy in him.
25
Let your father and your mother be glad,
And let her who gave birth to you rejoice [in your wise and godly choices].

26
My son, give me your heart
And let your eyes delight in my ways,
27
For a prostitute is a deep pit,
And an immoral woman is a narrow well.
28
She lurks and lies in wait like a robber [who waits for prey],
And she increases the faithless among men.

29
Who has woe? Who has sorrow?
Who has strife? Who has complaining?
Who has wounds without cause?
Whose eyes are red and dim?
30
Those who linger long over wine,
Those who go to taste mixed wine.
31
Do not look at wine when it is red,
When it sparkles in the glass,
When it goes down smoothly.
32
At the last it bites like a serpent
And stings like a viper.
33
Your [drunken] eyes will see strange things
And your mind will utter perverse things [untrue things, twisted things].
34
And you will be [as unsteady] as one who lies down in the middle of the sea,
And [as vulnerable to disaster] as one who lies down on the top of a ship’s mast, saying,
35
“They struck me, but I was not hurt!
They beat me, but I did not feel it!
When will I wake up?
I will seek more wine.”
Re: The Way by Anas09: 9:45pm On Mar 07, 2019
budaatum:

Could be. The idea is to meditate on a chapter a day so as to understand it.

In fact, if someone claimed everything in the Bible is there to cloak the Book of Proverbs, I wouldn't argue. Even if they claimed God means Wisdom, I still wouldn't! It sure is obvious that Christ preached 'wisdom'.

I'm going to in fact try to figure out the relationship between the KoG and Wisdom. My start point would be "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all other things will follow" and 1 Kings 3.
You want to be a Christian Mystic or a follower of Jesus? What are you abt?
Re: The Way by Anas09: 9:50pm On Mar 07, 2019
budaatum:

The Word of God has always been perfect. It was the human 'eye' that imperfectly 'sees'.


The coming of the Word of God in the human form was simply to make it better seeable by semi blind humans, and not an improvement of the Word.

And God's mercy endureth for ever.
Jesusjnr, shame on you. An atheist is teaching you scriptures.

See? You know nothing about Christianity you so loudly mouthedly proclaim.

I'm watching you charlatan ass.
Re: The Way by Anas09: 9:55pm On Mar 07, 2019
budaatum:

As in the human has always imperfectly seen (understood) the Word of God, right?


The Word of God has always been perfect, and will always be perfect, forever.


No, John the baptist did not represent the imperfect Word of God. He himself said "I am not perfect, but I announce the coming of someone perfect.


No! "I did not come to change the Word, but to enable you humans to understand the already perfect word of God better", is what Jesus said.
Omo Bashuron, thank you for schooling that misguided chalatan who runs around nairaland littering the whole place with threads he talks nonsense.

Again, jesusjnr aka demonjnr, shame on you.
Re: The Way by Anas09: 9:59pm On Mar 07, 2019
jesusjnr:
The rich young man was not perfect because the standard of the law and the prophets even the Word of God which he kept was not perfect, and hence could not make him perfect.

For a person can only become as good as the standard of the Word of God which he keeps, and hence if he had kept the Words of Jesus, the perfect Word of God, he would have become perfect, but he didn't and so he remained at the level of the Word of God which he kept which was imperfect.

And that imperfect level of the Word of God is not enough to make anyone enter into the kingdom of God, for it must be the perfect level, which Jesus the Word of God is, and hence He must be obeyed for anyone to be able to be perfect and hence gain entry into the kingdom of God.

For He's the only perfect way!

And the standard is the same for everyone!
Do you realized he is an atheist? He is actually teaching you the Bible, he is right and you are wrong, yet you argue with him.

I'm embarrassed on your behalf.
***coverface***
Re: The Way by Anas09: 10:00pm On Mar 07, 2019
budaatum:

Well, I think the rich man did not follow the perfected Word of God which began at the very first "and it was good" in Genesis 1.

God does astounding quality control and therefore cannot create imperfection, in my opinion.
Abeg tell am.
Re: The Way by Anas09: 10:08pm On Mar 07, 2019
budaatum:

At the beginning of that chapter, it says: "His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them." Could you tell me which of Jesus disciples came close to perfection?

Humans are just not perfect by design. God could have made us perfect on creation, but it seems God chose not to, and I'm not claiming we cannot be perfected through Christ. The issue with perfection is that some assume they are more perfect than others just as you have alluded with your "but being His disciple I must".

The point however is not whether human perfection would please God or not, nor is it about the perfection of humans, but about the perfection of the Word of a perfect God from the very beginning though ever imperfect human has always misunderstood it. If perfected human beings were the only ones allowed into the KoG, there'd be a tiny few in heaven. Hence Grace, as they say.
I was going ask the same question.

Jesusjnr, is the point abt the perfect law and the prophets or human perfection? You seem to be mixing things up.
Re: The Way by Anas09: 10:13pm On Mar 07, 2019
budaatum:
Proverbs 21 Amplified Bible (AMP)
On Life and Conduct
21 The king’s heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord;
He turns it whichever way He wishes.
2
Every man’s way is right in his own eyes,
But the Lord weighs and examines the hearts [of people and their motives].
3
To do righteousness and justice
Is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice [for wrongs repeatedly committed].
4
Haughty and arrogant eyes and a proud heart,
The lamp of the wicked [their self-centered pride], is sin [in the eyes of God].
5
The plans of the diligent lead surely to abundance and advantage,
But everyone who acts in haste comes surely to poverty.
6
Acquiring treasures by a lying tongue
Is a fleeting vapor, the seeking and pursuit of death.
7
The violence of the wicked will [return to them and] drag them away [like fish caught in a net],
Because they refuse to act with justice.
8
The way of the guilty is [exceedingly] crooked,
But as for the pure, his conduct is upright.
9
It is better to live in a corner of the housetop [on the flat roof, exposed to the weather]
Than in a house shared with a quarrelsome (contentious) woman.
10
The soul of the wicked desires evil [like an addictive substance];
His neighbor finds no compassion in his eyes.
11
When the scoffer is punished, the naive [observes the lesson and] becomes wise;
But when the wise and teachable person is instructed, he receives knowledge.
12
The righteous one keeps an eye on the house of the wicked—
How the wicked are cast down to ruin.
13
Whoever shuts his ears at the cry of the poor
Will cry out himself and not be answered.
14
A gift in secret subdues anger,
And a bribe [hidden] in the pocket, strong wrath.
15
When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous (the upright, the one in right standing with God),
But to the evildoers it is disaster.
16
A man who wanders from the way of understanding (godly wisdom)
Will remain in the assembly of the dead.
17
He who loves [only selfish] pleasure will become a poor man;
He who loves and is devoted to [a]wine and [olive] oil will not become rich.
18
The wicked become a ransom for the righteous,
And the treacherous in the place of the upright [for they fall into their own traps].
19
It is better to dwell in a desert land
Than with a contentious and troublesome woman.
20
There is precious treasure and oil in the house of the wise [who prepare for the future],
But a short-sighted and foolish man swallows it up and wastes it.
21
He who earnestly seeks righteousness and loyalty
Finds life, righteousness, and honor.
22
A wise man scales the city [walls] of the mighty
And brings down the stronghold in which they trust.
23
He who guards his mouth and his tongue
Guards himself from troubles.
24
“Proud,” “Haughty,” “Scoffer,” are his names
Who acts with overbearing and insolent pride.
25
The desire of the lazy kills him,
For his hands refuse to labor;
26
He craves all the day long [and does no work],
But the righteous [willingly] gives and does not withhold [what he has].
27
The sacrifice of the wicked is detestable and offensive [to the Lord].
How much more [unacceptable and insulting can it be] when he brings it with evil intention?
28
A false witness will perish,
But a man who listens to the truth will speak forever and go unchallenged.
29
A wicked man puts on a bold face,
But as for the upright, he considers, directs, and establishes his way [with the confidence of integrity].
30
There is no [human] wisdom or understanding
Or counsel [that can prevail] against the Lord.
31
The horse is prepared for the day of battle,
But deliverance and victory belong to the Lord.
Reading all of these makes me wish we can learn to abide by them. Oh Lord.
Re: The Way by budaatum: 10:51pm On Mar 07, 2019
Anas09:

Reading all of these makes me wish we can learn to abide by them. Oh Lord.
But one can learn. Can't you?
Re: The Way by Anas09: 11:27pm On Mar 07, 2019
budaatum:

But one can learn. Can't you?
Yes, we can and i am trying. His Grace is sufficient. rising and falling. But making sure never to remain fallen.

God bless you Buda.

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Re: The Way by budaatum: 11:34pm On Mar 07, 2019
Anas09:

You want to be a Christian Mystic or a follower of Jesus? What are you abt?
How come mystic (a person who practices mysticism, or a reference to a mystery, mystic craft or the occult) when my aim is to demystify and understand? If I practise that which is hidden have I followed Christ?
Re: The Way by Anas09: 11:39pm On Mar 07, 2019
budaatum:

How come mystic (a person who practices mysticism, or a reference to a mystery, mystic craft or the occult) when my aim is to demystify and understand? If I practise that which is hidden have I followed Christ?
No. I asked based on a question someone asked you about your Op being Christian mystic and you said 'may be'.

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Re: The Way by Nobody: 11:48pm On Mar 07, 2019
Anas09:

Jesusjnr, shame on you. An atheist is teaching you scriptures.

See? You know nothing about Christianity you so loudly mouthedly proclaim.

I'm watching you charlatan ass.

Re: The Way by Nobody: 11:51pm On Mar 07, 2019
Anas09:

Omo Bashuron, thank you for schooling that misguided chalatan who runs around nairaland littering the whole place with threads he talks nonsense.

Again, jesusjnr aka demonjnr, shame on you.

Re: The Way by Nobody: 11:51pm On Mar 07, 2019
Anas09:

Do you realized he is an atheist? He is actually teaching you the Bible, he is right and you are wrong, yet you argue with him.

I'm embarrassed on your behalf.
***coverface***

Re: The Way by Nobody: 11:52pm On Mar 07, 2019
Anas09:

Abeg tell am.

Re: The Way by Nobody: 11:52pm On Mar 07, 2019
Anas09:

I was going ask the same question.

Jesusjnr, is the point abt the perfect law and the prophets or human perfection? You seem to be mixing things up.

Re: The Way by Nobody: 11:53pm On Mar 07, 2019
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