I created this thread for the discussion of WW2. I love hearing about it and would like to hear what people have to say about it. WW2 is a very wide event that has different never ending stories and every body will have different points. Arguments and constructive criticism is allowed.
Good luck!

Cc Zoharariel
Cc Appleyard
Cc kemicalreaction
Cc seunny4lif
Cc scully95
Please mention other people with vast understanding and knowledge about it.

Let's start from the genesis. How did WW2 start? Which country started it? Your contributions please

Thanks for the mention. Germany started the war, it was spearheaded by Adolf Hitler, from the books I read, his reason for starting the war was that Germany needs more land


Games like CoD, Front line Commando D-day were all dedicated to the efforts of the USA in defeating the USA.


It's so sad that the is USA threading the same path that led to the defeat of Hitler in WW2.


I stand to be corrected though

It is widely believed that the "Treaty of Versailles" signed in Paris after WW1 by the Allied Powers to extort huge amount of money from Germany as a form of punishment for instigating WW1 was the catalyst or gun-powder that eventually triggered WW2.

I wouldn't say WW2 started because of the reparations and major economic recession that Germany experienced during the interwar period.

However, the atmosphere in the Weimar republic, with the devastatingly huge amount of money that was being demanded from Germany by the Allied Powers, along with the ever increasing rate of people out of work, did allow for radical people, such as Adolf Hitler, to be heard and taken seriously by some members of the public.

This was not unique to Germany alone, other nations, both during the Depression and in other major economic downturn throughout history, saw the growth of radical & violent movements within their political spheres.

To be clear, WW2 didn't occur because of what happened economically to Germany after WW1. Out of the parties that were vying for power in the Weimar republic in the early 1930s, Hitler's Nazi party was able to attain a minority government.

Through that win, the Nazi's aggressively seized control of all levels of government, eventually turning it into a dictatorship.

After diplomatically seizing control of the Ruhr Valley River & Austria, the Nazi's initiated the first "Act of War" by invading Poland in September, 1939 - causing the Allied countries to declare a state of war against Germany and starting what is greatly acknowledged as the 2nd World War.

The harsh treatment/punishment of Germany after WW1 was not responsible for WW2. It only allowed for people like Hitler to gain power in Germany - and ultimately, it was Hitler and the Nazi party who turned Germany into a dictatorship that initiated WW2.

Zoharariel:
It is widely believed that the "Treaty of Versailles" signed in Paris after WW1 by the Allied Powers to extort huge amount of money from Germany as a form of punishment for instigating WW1 was the catalyst or gun-powder that eventually triggered WW2.

I wouldn't say WW2 started because of the reparations and major economic recession that Germany experienced during the interwar period.

However, the atmosphere in the Weimar republic, with the devastatingly huge amount of money that was being demanded from Germany by the Allied Powers, along with the ever increasing rate of people out of work, did allow for radical people, such as Adolf Hitler, to be heard and taken seriously by some members of the public.

This was not unique to Germany alone, other nations, both during the Depression and in other major economic downturn throughout history, saw the growth of radical & violent movements within their political spheres.

To be clear, WW2 didn't occur because of what happened economically to Germany after WW1. Out of the parties that were vying for power in the Weimar republic in the early 1930s, Hitler's Nazi party was able to attain a minority government.

Through that win, the Nazi's aggressively seized control of all levels of government, eventually turning it into a dictatorship.

After diplomatically seizing control of the Ruhr Valley River & Austria, the Nazi's initiated the first "Act of War" by invading Poland in September, 1939 - causing the Allied countries to declare a state of war against Germany and starting what is greatly acknowledged as the 2nd World War.

The harsh treatment/punishment of Germany after WW1 was not responsible for WW2. It only allowed for people like Hitler to gain power in Germany - and ultimately, it was Hitler and the Nazi party who turned Germany into a dictatorship that initiated WW2.

you are very correct and Hitler's quest for territorial expansion led him to invade Poland and Czechoslovakia's, triggering a declaration of war from Britain and France.

Hitler was smart he didn't want the Americans to get involved, but the imperial Japan attack on pearl harbor was what got Uncle Sam to join the fight.

IMAliyu:
Hitler was smart he didn't want the Americans to get involved, but the imperial Japan attack on pearl harbor was what got Uncle Sam to join the fight.

American was not a European country and it would have been a waste for Hitler to confront them at the earlier stages of the war, but before the Japanese forced the Americans into the war, America was indirectly giving Britain support, most of the British fighter jets during WW2 was flown by American airmen.

The French and the British refused to listen to the wise words of U S. President Woodrow Wilson who asked for restraint .That was the reason why they got what they deserved in terms of response from Hitler.

Hitler and Stalin agreed to share Poland into two as a form of demarcation lines btw USSR and Germany.
Stalin best troops and almost 60% were kept at the border btw USSR and Japan because of the earlier war btw Japan vs USSR 1939.
Stalin never expected Hitler to attacked USSR because of the non aggressive pact the government signed then.
But Hitler changed his mind about Red armies after the winter war btw Finland and USSR.
USSR invaded Finland and its costed her the reputation as a superpower because Finland made the red Armies bleeds.
Hitler capitalizes on that, that the red armies were not strong as the Nazis throught.
Finland and Japan showed the weakest in the red military.
The have the troops and the technology against Finland and Japan but the military was poorly managed.
The problem with USSR is Stalin don’t listen to his generals because Stalin see his generals as a rival to him.
To be Continued

Wow, everyone with different perspective of WW2, Interesting!

seunny4lif:
Hitler and Stalin agreed to share Poland into two as a form of demarcation lines btw USSR and Germany.
Stalin best troops and almost 60% were kept at the border btw USSR and Japan because of the earlier war btw Japan vs USSR 1939.
Stalin never expected Hitler to attacked USSR because of the non aggressive pact the government signed then.
But Hitler changed his mind about Red armies after the winter war btw Finland and USSR.
USSR invaded Finland and its costed her the reputation as a superpower because Finland made the red Armies bleeds.
Hitler capitalizes on that, that the red armies were not strong as the Nazis throught.
Finland and Japan showed the weakest in the red military.
The have the troops and the technology against Finland and Japan but the military was poorly managed.
The problem with USSR is Stalin don’t listen to his generals because Stalin see his generals as a rival to him.
To be Continued

brilliant analysis, Hitler misinterpreted the soviet defeat to Finland for weakness, the soviets Army was not well prepared for the winter war and they suffered heavy casualties in the hands of finish soldiers among whom was an exceptional marksman called "Samo Hayha aka the white death" pls note that the soviet army were not too prepared for an invasions of other nations, but invading the Soviet Union was a death sentence for any army and even in his grave Napoleon can still testify. Before operation Barbarossa began in 1941 the Germans had been moving heavy artilleries and military gadgets to the Soviet border, Stalin was notified of a possible German military operations against the Soviet union, he ignore these warning thinking that the non aggression pact signed between Germany and USSR would prevent the Germarns for taking such actions, but he was wrong when without a declaration of war the German army launched the largest invasion in human history against the USSR, four million Germans took part in that invasion together with their Romanian, Finish, Hungarian and an unprepared Italian allied, it was brutal, it was bitter and it was deadly. It was a war of attrition with both side throwing all their resources and manpower to resist defeat, before the war the German army was feared throughout western Europe for their invincibility, and their reputation was highly commendable having some of the finest generals such as field marshal Eric von manstein, Gen Heinz Guderian, friedrich paulus and general von leeb. The war in the eastern front put the German army reputation into test when die hard German soldiers where subjected under heavy machine gun fire amidst a vicious winter they were not prepared for, with their supply rout cut out, flanked and surrounded from all sides Germany was forced to take a defensive formation and that was the beginning of the end of the second world war.

The German army was very successful in western Europe during the early stage of the war, they had the resources, the soldiers, the weapons, the Generals/excellent tacticians and above all they had a formidable attacking formation called (blitzkreig aka the lightning war) heavy artilery bombadment of enemy position followed by shellings, and a larg infantry move with swift attack supported by air superiority, very few armies could survive this attack then, with this they were able to subjugate Poland, Czecholsovakia, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Greece, Yugoslavia, the French army collapsed in just Six weeks, the Netherlands surrendered in just three days without putting up a resistance when they saw the heavy war machines brought by the Germans, frightened they were and terrified they became, as a result of this Holland was one of the few countries in Europe that did not experience destruction from the war. Albania Finland and Bulgaria was also occupied by the Germans, Spain was left alone because of the ongoing Spanish civil war, the German army also seized territories in Northern Africa. Through out the whole of Europe the German army was hated and feared at the same time, and with this the Germans were almost in total control of the whole of Europe.

seunny4lif:
Hitler and Stalin agreed to share Poland into two as a form of demarcation lines btw USSR and Germany.
Stalin best troops and almost 60% were kept at the border btw USSR and Japan because of the earlier war btw Japan vs USSR 1939.

To be Continued

Thought the USSR kept their troops at the border with Japan because of the earlier war between Russia and Japan in 1904, when Japan defeated Russia.

panafrican:

Thought the USSR kept their troops at the border with Russia because of the earlier war between Russia and Japan in 1904, when Japan defeated Russia.

the Soviets were more concern about the Japanese then

[quote author=mysticwarrior post=76614649] the USSR kept some of its troop at the border incase of a possible invasion by Japan, then the Japanese army was invading China during the second sino-japanese war in 1937.

Zoharariel:
It is widely believed that the "Treaty of Versailles" signed in Paris after WW1 by the Allied Powers to extort huge amount of money from Germany as a form of punishment for instigating WW1 was the catalyst or gun-powder that eventually triggered WW2.

I wouldn't say WW2 started because of the reparations and major economic recession that Germany experienced during the interwar period.

However, the atmosphere in the Weimar republic, with the devastatingly huge amount of money that was being demanded from Germany by the Allied Powers, along with the ever increasing rate of people out of work, did allow for radical people, such as Adolf Hitler, to be heard and taken seriously by some members of the public.

This was not unique to Germany alone, other nations, both during the Depression and in other major economic downturn throughout history, saw the growth of radical & violent movements within their political spheres.

To be clear, WW2 didn't occur because of what happened economically to Germany after WW1. Out of the parties that were vying for power in the Weimar republic in the early 1930s, Hitler's Nazi party was able to attain a minority government.

Through that win, the Nazi's aggressively seized control of all levels of government, eventually turning it into a dictatorship.

After diplomatically seizing control of the Ruhr Valley River & Austria, the Nazi's initiated the first "Act of War" by invading Poland in September, 1939 - causing the Allied countries to declare a state of war against Germany and starting what is greatly acknowledged as the 2nd World War.

The harsh treatment/punishment of Germany after WW1 was not responsible for WW2. It only allowed for people like Hitler to gain power in Germany - and ultimately, it was Hitler and the Nazi party who turned Germany into a dictatorship that initiated WW2.

So in summary which country initiated WW2?
U can do better in making concise and straight to the point analysis!
Cheers!!

mysticwarrior:
the Soviets were more concern about the Japanese then

Sorry I meant on the border with Japan, not Russia.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:


So in summary which country initiated WW2?
U can do better in making concise and straight to the point analysis!
Cheers!!

It would be fair enough to say the French and the British started the mess.

IMAliyu:
Hitler was smart he didn't want the Americans to get involved, but the imperial Japan attack on pearl harbor was what got Uncle Sam to join the fight.

Hitler was not smart. A smart Hitler would have prevented Japan from attacking US. In fact their tripartite defensive treaty did not legally commit Germany to declaring war against US. But instead of staying neutral he declared war on United States of America.

NATO is an example of a Defensive Military Alliance. If the US just wake up one morning and decided to invade/attack China because of US national interest.. NATO members are not legally obliged to declare war on China. According to the treaty they have the right to stay neutral. Unless China foolishly attacked the United States first. That's why it's called DEFENSE MILITARY ALLIANCE NOT OFFENSIVE MILITARY ALLIANCE.

Considering that Japan were the first to attack US. A smart Hitler would have taken advantage of the terms of the treaty thereby eliminating the possibility of adding another enemy.

PS = as far as the World War II is concerned the United States of America never officially declared war against Germany!

panafrican:
It would be fair enough to say the French and the British started the mess.

We agree to disagree.. Moving on,, in your opinion how and why did the French and British start ww2;

[quote author=kemicalreaction post=76520943]Thanks for the mention. Germany started the war, it was spearheaded by Adolf Hitler, from the books I read, his reason for starting the war was that Germany needs more land


Games like CoD, Front line Commando D-day were all dedicated to the efforts of the USA in defeating the USA.


It's so sad that the is USA threading the same path that led to the defeat of Hitler in WW2...

How do you mean?

kemicalreaction:
Thanks for the mention. Germany started the war, it was spearheaded by Adolf Hitler, from the books I read, his reason for starting the war was that Germany needs more land


Games like CoD, Front line Commando D-day were all dedicated to the efforts of the USA in defeating the USA.


It's so sad that the is USA threading the same path that led to the defeat of Hitler in WW2.


I stand to be corrected though

Efforts of the USA in defeating the USA?? Na typo error abi na deliberate action??

OkpaNsukkaisBae:


Efforts of the USA in defeating the USA?? Na typo error abi na deliberate action??

Germany

panafrican:
The French and the British refused to listen to the wise words of U S. President Woodrow Wilson who asked for restraint .That was the reason why they got what they deserved in terms of response from Hitler.

Bro is like you're talking about World War I.
I mean Woodrow Wilson was the president of United States of America from 1913-1921.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:


We agree to disagree.. Moving on,, in your opinion how and why did the French and British start ww2;

to a large extent the French and British started the war, following the German invasion of Poland on the 1st of September 1939, France and Britain who had the largest colonial empire in the world then, both Declared war on Germany on 3/09/1939, that declaration triggered the second world war. Reasonable evidence suggest that when the US invaded and occupied Iraq unjustifiably in2004, Russia, China, and even Iran, did not declared war on the USA because they knew it could result to a war even greater then the 2nd war world, France and Britain could have turned a blind eye on what the Germans was doing in poland, but their actions ignited world war 2.

They fought another one in 1939

panafrican:

Thought the USSR kept their troops at the border with Japan because of the earlier war between Russia and Japan in 1904, when Japan defeated Russia.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:


We agree to disagree.. Moving on,, in your opinion how and why did the French and British start ww2;

1st reason: No need to go back 80 years in history to know that the French and the British are liars. Just remember what Tony Blair said before the invasion of Irak. Then remember what David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy said in 2010 before attacking and blowing up Lybia and Syria.

2nd reason
To make a long story short let's quote someone on QUORA because he said exactly how I feel about about the warmongers ( France and UK)
"
Juan Olivier, studied at CTU Boksburg
Answered Aug 4, 2017
Yes they do. Britain and France were out for blood and they proved it before the war started and after it started.

The German enclave in Poland that started all the trouble was created by the British and the French in the treaty of Versailles. The Germans wanted land access to their German territory and made a reasonable proposition to Poland that they just want a dedicated highway to access their territory. This would have solved the problem but Britain and France actively encouraged Poland not to settle with Germany and that they would protect Poland. Without the meddling of Britain and France; Poland would have most likely agreed to Germany’s proposal and war would have been avoided.

After the war started Britain and France proved on 2 points that they wanted war. The first point was that after Germany defeated Poland, Germany made many peace offerings. One of those would include German’s offer to give all the land back to Poland, but they only want a dedicated highway to the German enclave the British and France created in the first place. But Britain and France declined all peace offerings in favor of war. The second point is that Britain and France attacked Germany under the excuse of protecting Poland. This was clearly demonstrated to be false since 1) both Germany and the USSR attacked Poland, so if they attacked Germany to protect Poland then they would have attacked the USSR as well. And 2) after the war Britain and France left Poland under the USSR occupation for decades, clearly showing they wanted to knock Germany out, not protect Poland.

This obviously does not mean Germany is blameless. This just means Britain and France has just as much blame as Germany for WW2"

Read more at : https://www.quora.com/Do-France-and-Britain-hold-any-responsibility-for-WWII-by-denying-the-German-military-build-up-and-Hitlers-increasingly-crazy-demands

Add also the fact that the French and the British did not say anything when the Polish were expelling and slaughtering Germans.

panafrican:


1st reason: No need to go back 80 years in history to know that the French and the British are liars. Just remember what Tony Blair said before the invasion of Irak. Then remember what David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy said in 2010 before attacking and blowing up Lybia and Syria.

2nd reason
To make a long story short let's quote someone on QUORA because he said exactly how I feel about about the warmongers ( France and UK)
"
Juan Olivier, studied at CTU Boksburg
Answered Aug 4, 2017
Yes they do. Britain and France were out for blood and they proved it before the war started and after it started.

The German enclave in Poland that started all the trouble was created by the British and the French in the treaty of Versailles. The Germans wanted land access to their German territory and made a reasonable proposition to Poland that they just want a dedicated highway to access their territory. This would have solved the problem but Britain and France actively encouraged Poland not to settle with Germany and that they would protect Poland. Without the meddling of Britain and France; Poland would have most likely agreed to Germany’s proposal and war would have been avoided.

After the war started Britain and France proved on 2 points that they wanted war. The first point was that after Germany defeated Poland, Germany made many peace offerings. One of those would include German’s offer to give all the land back to Poland, but they only want a dedicated highway to the German enclave the British and France created in the first place. But Britain and France declined all peace offerings in favor of war. The second point is that Britain and France attacked Germany under the excuse of protecting Poland. This was clearly demonstrated to be false since 1) both Germany and the USSR attacked Poland, so if they attacked Germany to protect Poland then they would have attacked the USSR as well. And 2) after the war Britain and France left Poland under the USSR occupation for decades, clearly showing they wanted to knock Germany out, not protect Poland.

This obviously does not mean Germany is blameless. This just means Britain and France has just as much blame as Germany for WW2"

Read more at : https://www.quora.com/Do-France-and-Britain-hold-any-responsibility-for-WWII-by-denying-the-German-military-build-up-and-Hitlers-increasingly-crazy-demands

Add also then fact that the French and the British did not say anything when the polish were expelling and slaughtering Germans

On your first point.. Global politics is built on lies. Saying one thing and doing another thing is a hallmark of international relations.

All d countries keep their cards to their chest.. Element of surprise is key!
For example the 1928 Kellogg Briand Pact. It was a peace treaty that prohibited it signatories to use war as an instrument of national policy.

It signatories included Japan,,USA ,,Britain,, France,, Germany,, Italy,, Canada, Belgium amongst others.
Fast forward in the mid 1930s some of this countries like Japan and Italy were already invading Manchuria and Abyssinia respectively.
By 1938 Germany under Hitler had annexed Austria.

Honesty or sincerity has nothing to with foreign policy. By March last year Trump and North Korean leader were trading insult.. Kim said that Trump is a dotard while Trump called him rocket man,,mad man. But months later this people were having meeting alone with an interpreter.
Germany had Joseph Goebbels as minister of propaganda. Other states use secretary of war in place of minister of propaganda.

In this modern period elite countries make use of their spy agency. Like M16,, MOSSAD, KGB,, CIA etc.

On ur second point.. It has been rendered invalid by the appeasement policy of Chamberlain. Appeasing a dictator is just like giving him more weaponry,, and the funny thing is that the same weaponry and resources you willingly gave him will be used to eliminate your existence!
Before invading Poland,, he already invaded Austria,,, annexed Czechoslovakia.

As a World War II die hard follower. ,, you got to make your own informed analysis based on verifiable evidence and statistics not quoting someone else opinion.
Cheers!.

The USSR had neither the resources nor the leadership (communists had slaughtered the experienced generals) to sustain their war effort, both where supplied in large part by the Americans. Stalin built a wall of meat (Order No. 227) to protect him and his murderous regime from the Nazi onslaught. It was not just the winter that stopped the Nazi from taking Moscow. It was already a done deal, The Americans propped up Stalin's government with millions of dollars in weaponry and other necessities of war.

No discussion of WW2 is complete without the Holocaust.
Although this is widely seen as a contentious topic, i believe it is something that needs some serious looking into. As the saying goes history is written by the victors. if this is to be believed what does it imply? Did you know that despite strong evidence against the alleged occurrence of such an event it is still a crime to challenge the "official history" in many European countries? Why is that? To truly understand the misgivings of the Nazis about the Jews i would recommend one book "The International Jew" by Henry Ford. Now before you slaughter me, I am no anti-Semite, but it appears something might be going on here.

mysticwarrior:
The German army was very successful in western Europe during the early stage of the war, they had the resources, the soldiers, the weapons, the Generals/excellent tacticians and above all they had a formidable attacking formation called (blitzkreig aka the lightning war) heavy artilery bombadment of enemy position followed by shellings, and a larg infantry move with swift attack supported by air superiority, very few armies could survive this attack then, with this they were able to subjugate Poland, Czecholsovakia, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Greece, Yugoslavia, the French army collapsed in just Six weeks, the Netherlands surrendered in just three days without putting up a resistance when they saw the heavy war machines brought by the Germans, frightened they were and terrified they became, as a result of this Holland was one of the few countries in Europe that did not experience destruction from the war. Albania Finland and Bulgaria was also occupied by the Germans, Spain was left alone because of the ongoing Spanish civil war, the German army also seized territories in Northern Africa. Through out the whole of Europe the German army was hated and feared at the same time, and with this the Germans were almost in total control of the whole of Europe.

This brief conversation tells you more about the capability of German army/land force For Bismarck he's gonna use the police to arrest and disarm British troops. No need to invite the German army.

Interviewer= what will you do if the British army landed in Europe ?

Bismarck = I shall get the Belgian police to arrest them!!

AmunaNo1:
The USSR had neither the resources nor the leadership (communists had slaughtered the experienced generals) to sustain their war effort, both where supplied in large part by the Americans. Stalin built a wall of meat (Order No. 227) to protect him and his murderous regime from the Nazi onslaught. It was not just the winter that stopped the Nazi from taking Moscow. It was already a done deal, The Americans propped up Stalin's government with millions of dollars in weaponry and other necessities of war.

lies and fallacies could always be made to sound true to justify preconceived opinions, from your write up there are indications that you are trying to give credit to the Americans for the defeat of the Germans in the USSR, you are wrong. The Americans and Soviets have been bitter rivals with different political ideology, and it is believed that its beneath their dignity to accept support from their rivals in fighting their own battle, its like a lion seaking the assistance of a Tiger to bring down a spotted hyena, I don't know where you got your facts from but pls don't feel disrespected to take corrections, the Soviets would rather die than accept assistance and give credit to their Archrival, I stand to be corrected.