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Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 3:29pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
LordReed: Lol. Let me ask; is pain absolute in this world? Lets be sure exactly what we are talking about here. Because objective qualities are either absolute or they don't exist. There is no such thing as this thing exists but it doesn't exist really. It is either pain exists or it doesn't. So lets be sure, what do you mean by "absolute pain"? |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by MrPresident1: 4:12pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
johnydon22: John John Only Amadioha can give us an ideal world The return of Amadioha!!! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 4:31pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
MrPresident1:You are correct my guy 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by Shepherd00: 4:51pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
johnydon22:I think the kind of world where only atheists will be around. |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 4:58pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Really? Why would this world be ideal? |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by frank317: 5:09pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
johnydon22: infinite life exactly... but with pain, regrets, accidents and learning. however there will always be second changes and and infinite advancement to better life. like playing candy crush and gettin to higher and harder levels with each level getting more and more excited. |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by MrPresident1: 5:14pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
johnydon22: Sissy John is afraid of knowledge 1 Like |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by Shepherd00: 5:15pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
johnydon22:because there won't be God to remind you of afterlife, so no talk of sin or Hellfire. You can do as you like and not feel the need to think of retribution. Only, that world actually existed in some atheists nations and even North Korea and Cuba today. Just check out how people are enjoying life over there. |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by LordReed(m): 8:11pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
johnydon22: Don't misunderstand me, I am not talking of anything called absolute pain. I am referring to the absolute absence of pain. In your world as you described, a person can't be hungry because hunger is pain. In the world I conceive of, every person can be hungry but are totally assured of having a meal the second they want it. |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 8:20pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
LordReed:So, in otherwords, pain will also be present? |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 8:23pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
MrPresident1:I'm afraid of weed |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 9:14pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
frank317: So an ideal world is a world where death doesn't exist. Ok. |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 9:15pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Why do you think everyone not believing in God translates to God not existing in an objective sense? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by OtemAtum: 9:27pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
HappyPagan:But a painless life will still be sweeter than a life full of pains, no matter what. Those who are in perpetual pain will understand what i'm trying to say. Anyway, there's no ideal life that can be perfect. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by LordReed(m): 9:44pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
johnydon22: Not as something you "suffer". For instance, you are hungry and the food is right at your beck and call . |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by budaatum: 9:48pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
johnydon22:I wouldn't know johnydon22. I know pockets of it are better than most and some are worst, but I'm a realist, and limited to my own might and lack experience creating an worlds. Iean, if I were omniscient, why would I bother creating humans, to start with? As pieces on my chessboard?. To watch them stumble about for the fun off it? Wouldn't that make me omnibad and omnievil? I doubt you had that in mind. So, without limitations, I'd send all human beings to heaven! They all want to go there anyway so they can all just go already and leave my perfect very interesting earth alone to its earthquakes and thunders and tsunamis and all. Stupid people who think they are the only things I created and can't consider that is how I have created earth to give praise to me it's maker! Hopefully, the new spirit I put in you all on the way to heaven will make you behave better to one another or I'm sending you all to hell! I think I'm just no good with omniscience, me and my vast limitations. I'm a realist, see, so my ideal can't but be tempered by reality. And besides, I started with the world as it is and not the clean slate omnis have. Within those limitations though, give me free education for all at reputable uni level and libraries every two streets and the world would be as perfect as can be, for me. |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by Shepherd00: 11:15pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
johnydon22:Not believing in God is not the same as God does not exist. If I don't believe in Jesus, I may believe in Allah or Amadioha or Ogun. it's the same as being an atheist. I talked about a world where God didn't exist so you guys can have a clear conscience to be as immoral as you can get. |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by frank317: 12:22am On Mar 28, 2019 |
johnydon22: This ideal world I talk about might or might not have death in it. However if there is death it will not be an issue because u can start afresh from where u made the mistake that led to ur death. It will be all about being a better person with reward. And u could only lose reward or points if u die but could gain points or reward if u live for a longer time. Dying and coming back makes u lose points. Points here could be in form of riches or human gifts |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by Shepherd00: 7:07am On Mar 28, 2019 |
budaatum:Oh, I love you. 1 Like |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by LordReed(m): 8:40am On Mar 28, 2019 |
HappyPagan: Is Dangote's joy less valuable than a pauper's joy? |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by HappyPagan: 9:00am On Mar 28, 2019 |
LordReed:How do you measure? Can you measure one's sadness too? |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by LordReed(m): 9:35am On Mar 28, 2019 |
HappyPagan: Well, you seem to be able to since you know that joy is less valuable without pain. 3 Likes |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by HappyPagan: 9:47am On Mar 28, 2019 |
LordReed:Oh no, you misunderstand me. I did not say there is great joy or less joy, for how can one quantify that which is subjective. Rather, I'm considering two distinct subjective experiences : pain and joy. In a world without pain, what would cause joy? Imagine playing a football match in which no side can lose... Would results have meaning? 1 Like |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by LordReed(m): 12:11pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
HappyPagan: Do you need to taste shit to know what sugar tastes like or vice versa? If you've never tasted shit will you still know and appreciate sugar? 3 Likes |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 4:29pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
LordReed:Actually poo isn't the opposite of sweetness. Bitter is. And yes, without bitter or sour taste, sweetness becomes vaguely meaningless. If everything is special, nothing is special. 1 Like |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 4:32pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
LordReed: So, the problem isn't that you don't have innate desires you can suffer from but the presence of solution to these problems? Still, negativity remains intact na. Isn't the argument that; positive things don't make sense if the negative ones don't exist? |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by LordReed(m): 5:44pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
johnydon22: Is air meaningless? 1 Like |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by LordReed(m): 5:49pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
johnydon22: Thats why you need to understand what I was objecting to. I was objecting to absolute positions like absolutely no pain which is why I said your painless world is essentially dead. |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 9:16pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
LordReed:No. So? |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by LordReed(m): 9:54pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
johnydon22: We don't value things solely based off of contrast with their lack but rather with their utility to us. Sugar remains sweet whether bitterness exists or not. Also not sweet is not equal to bitter so even if bitterness didn't exist sweet will still have value because you can still distinguish it from not sweet. This is my position, you do not need the extremes, the absolute absences to create value for what is. There are certain things that exist that we do not know about but it doesn't stop us from creating value for the things that we do know exist. 1 Like |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by johnydon22(m): 10:27pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
LordReed:lol. Actually we do value it due to the fact we know of what it would be like without it. If we lived in a world where we would be ok still if air ceased, then our value of it diminishes. But for us, we know lack of air entails suffocating and ultimately death hence our value of it - Negativity and positivity give meaning to each other. Savvy? 1 Like |
Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by Nobody: 6:16pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
johnydon22:A world where u can't hurt or harm others, a world without hunger where u would eat just for the taste, a world where pain will stop immediately u want it to, a world where everyone is equal in everything, both in height, strength, wisdom and every other thing, a world where women don't menstruate, a world where nothing ever goes wrong, a perfect world. |
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