Shepherd00:

Did he make you do evil? You are forgetting responsibility.

After typing this, you'd go out to buy cigarette with your money and smoke, drink and carry women. You may even be a homosexual. You do every thing God says don't do on your own without anyone forcing you, but you need someone to blame for that.

Sir, you choose Satan's way, so, where he ends is where you'd end.

Shelumiel:
My dear friend . God is omniscience. But when defining the word "omniscience " you may have to see it from a religious perspective , and not from a secular one .

dukeprince50:
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LoJ:
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This is an old doctrinal problem. In theology school, we were taught that in classical Christian theology, an attempt to answer this question is made with the idea that God's omniscience is subjected to his will. In other words God is omniscient but can choose to ignore... For enjoyment purposes for instance.

Let's illustrate this with an example. Let say you have downloaded a good movie. In the middle of the movie the main actor is about to die. You have the possibility to fast forward to the end of the movie to know whether he truly dies or not. Or you can choose to ignore and enjoy the movie bit by bit, not because you can't know the end but because you are enjoying it.

In the same vein, it is alleged that God is omniscient in the sense that he can know everything should he choose to, but voluntarily chooses to ignore to allow people free will and to enjoy this movie we call life.

Of course this theological answer solves the earlier problem but creates other ones. Indeed how can someone be sure that he is omniscient? If you don't know something, you wouldn't know about it, since you don't.

Cheers.

KendrickAyomide:
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dukeprince50:
Good morning NLders, I had an argument with my friends yesterday, we debate on the issue but no one seems to give a reasonable answer.
The question is if God is omniscient which means he knows everything about us, knows what we will do even before we are created, is it fair of God to punish us and send us to hell if we sin

dukeprince50:
in his omniscient nature, He already knows we will sin, why punish us when he knows 100%.

dukeprince50:
And if he knows we will sin but expect us to change, then is he really omniscience? cos expectation means ur not 100% certain.

LoJ:
@
This is an old doctrinal problem. In theology school, we were taught that in classical Christian theology, an attempt to answer this question is made with the idea that God's omniscience is subjected to his will. In other words God is omniscient but can choose to ignore... For enjoyment purposes for instance.

Let's illustrate this with an example. Let say you have downloaded a good movie. In the middle of the movie the main actor is about to die. You have the possibility to fast forward to the end of the movie to know whether he truly dies or not. Or you can choose to ignore and enjoy the movie bit by bit, not because you can't know the end but because you are enjoying it.

In the same vein, it is alleged that God is omniscient in the sense that he can know everything should he choose to, but voluntarily chooses to ignore to allow people free will and to enjoy this movie we call life.

Of course this theological answer solves the earlier problem but creates other ones. Indeed how can someone be sure that he is omniscient? If you don't know something, you wouldn't know about it, since you don't.

Cheers.

KendrickAyomide:
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LoJ:
I don't understand what your meme signifies. If you have a point to make state it in clear terms.

MuttleyLaff:
Y
, which often are glorified cemeteries, schools for the spiritually dead, so I am not surprised at what they taught you there.

LoJ:
Thank you for your opinion.

hopefulLandlord:


can you elucidate on this sir?

MuttleyLaff:
dukeprince50, yes He is omniscient, as He knows those that will change and those that wont change. Case in point, He knew that Pharaoh will never change his mind and ways but still permitted Pharaoh to exist. Make no mistake dukeprince50, God is always 100% certain, do not underestimate God, that will be a foolhardy thing to do. You do that at your periil

dukeprince50:
if he knows those that won't change yet created them and punish them later on, will you call him a merciful God?

CAPSLOCKED:
INSTEAD OF ANSWERS YOU'LL ONLY GET EXCUSES.

YOU'RE EITHER A RELIGIOUS PERSON, OR A THINKING PERSON. YOU CAN'T BE BOTH. FOR RELIGION DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO THINK, BUT TO JUST BELIEVE AND FOLLOW LIKE BLIND GOATS.

CHEERS.

Shelumiel:
Mercy and justice are two different things sire. God is merciful , but He is also Justice .

dukeprince50:
if he knows those that won't change yet created them and punish them later on, will you call him a merciful God?

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, God is ever Merciful.
Now, are you trying to say God is not merciful, huh? Is God not merciful to you dukeprince50?
I have corrected you that punish is not the right word, judgement and/or justice is

dukeprince50:
before the beginning, he knows you won't change, then when you did what he already knows before the beginning, he brings justice upon you at the end. I get your point but some explanation is missing

dukeprince50:
I am not saying he is not, I am also not saying he is, if I have an answer, I wouldn't ask the question

dukeprince50:
Good morning NLders, I had an argument with my friends yesterday, we debate on the issue but no one seems to give a reasonable answer.
The question is if God is omniscient which means he knows everything about us, knows what we will do even before we are created, is it fair of God to punish us and send us to hell if we sin. in his omniscient nature, He already knows we will sin, why punish us when he knows 100%.
And if he knows we will sin but expect us to change, then is he really omniscience? cos expectation means ur not 100% certain.
But if he knows you won't change change and he still purnish you, is he a merciful God?

dukeprince50:
Good morning NLders, I had an argument with my friends yesterday, we debate on the issue but no one seems to give a reasonable answer.
The question is if God is omniscient which means he knows everything about us, knows what we will do even before we are created, is it fair of God to punish us and send us to hell if we sin. in his omniscient nature, He already knows we will sin, why punish us when he knows 100%.
And if he knows we will sin but expect us to change, then is he really omniscience? cos expectation means ur not 100% certain.
But if he knows you won't change change and he still purnish you, is he a merciful God?

LoJ:
@
This is an old doctrinal problem. In theology school, we were taught that in classical Christian theology, an attempt to answer this question is made with the idea that God's omniscience is subjected to his will. In other words God is omniscient but can choose to ignore... For enjoyment purposes for instance.

Let's illustrate this with an example. Let say you have downloaded a good movie. In the middle of the movie the main actor is about to die. You have the possibility to fast forward to the end of the movie to know whether he truly dies or not. Or you can choose to ignore and enjoy the movie bit by bit, not because you can't know the end but because you are enjoying it.

In the same vein, it is alleged that God is omniscient in the sense that he can know everything should he choose to, but voluntarily chooses to ignore to allow people free will and to enjoy this movie we call life.

Of course this theological answer solves the earlier problem but creates other ones. Indeed how can someone be sure that he is omniscient? If you don't know something, you wouldn't know about it, since you don't.

Cheers.

dukeprince50:
if he knows those that won't change yet created them and punish them later on, will you call him a merciful God?

dukeprince50:
before the beginning, he knows you won't change, then when you did what he already knows before the beginning, he brings justice upon you at the end. I get your point but some explanation is missing

Agrogbeide:
Kikikkikikiki
GOD IS NOT ONLY OMNISCIENCE BUT OMNIPOTENT AND OMNIPRESENT.
The PROBLEM OF SIN has already been settled by Him who knows the MYSTERY OF SIN on the CROSS OF CALVARY, so you still questioning the Omniscience nature of the Almighty God in regards to sin and eternal punishment is absurd.
Let's take for example; The government of a country(GOD ALMIGHTY) knows how brutal it is in combating terrorism,(SIN) and has provided her citizens(MANKIND) with a sufficient amount of military personnels and aids (THE HOLY SPIRIT) to combat terrorism always and at the right time. And when everything is in place we all know that terrorism won't find a place to occupy in that country.
Now, when the right aids are provided, will it be wise enough for the Military personnel or her citizens to blame the government for the continual thriving of terrorism? You know the answer within you.
Mankind right from Adam has always love to shift blame to God even when it's obvious that he is the one at fault. Inasmuch God has provided us help and comfort by the Holy Spirit that indwells us by the ability of His omnipresent power, there is no longer room to blame Him when you suffer punishment along His line of justice which also corresponds to His omnipotent nature.
So my dear OP God in His Omniscience nature wants you to live above sin and have continual fellowship with Him because His thoughts are of good and not evil and to bring you to an expected end.
TRUTH IS TRUTH AND FALSE IS FALSE. YOUR BELIEF CANNOT CHANGE ANYTHING BUT GIVES YOU A PROPER UNDERSTANDING ON A BETTER FOUNDATION ON WHICH TO STAND.
I BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND HE IS THE PERFECT WAY, TRUTH, LIFE AND LIGHT.