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Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by baralatie(m): 2:14pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Denikayan:you don't understand his point. When did The Country Nigeria starts its existence.if the constitution says from 1960 .then your president is not a Nigerian |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by adekolaelect(m): 2:17pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
naijapips04:start disturbing yourself on top case way Atikus lawyers knew it is already lost .wake me up when you win case for Atiku by quoting constitution in your one corner pallor . 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by RTSC: 2:17pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Atiku should not waste time in employing Nigeria's most effective SAN into his employ. Prof ikpeazu (SAN) would rubbish these apc clowns in court. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Xcelentmac(m): 2:17pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Adamawa was part of German province which they had to leave after the war 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by baralatie(m): 2:20pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Sterope:meaning that both Atiku and buhari are citizens by this same constitution. |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Sterope(f): 2:22pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Yes o. Atiku is a Nigerian but not a Nigerian by birth so far. baralatie: 5 Likes |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by dancewith: 2:22pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
NgeneUkwenu: But by the plesbicite those communities became indigenous to Nigeria and hence he was born in Nigeria as were his parents and grandparents Pushing it a little further, the area in question were never part of Cameroon but Bitish Camaroon and were never part of Cameroon at any time in history Do you now follow this simple interpretation?? What you guys are trying to say people of southern Cameroon's that opted to join Cameroon are Nigerians by birth?? Does this even begin to make sense to any of you |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by amaniro: 2:24pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
After 10 years you can become a citizen of the country Ok if Atiku is from Cameron. He's maybe 73 years. How many years has he spent in "Nigeria" |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by baralatie(m): 2:25pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Sterope: neither is buhari,obasanjo and all does big guys |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Sterope(f): 2:27pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
I am sorry for arguing with you. Your problem get as e be baralatie: 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by luvmijeje(f): 2:27pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Hmmmm......... This is a good strategy by APC. They are targeting the war chest of PDP against 2023. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by udemzyudex(m): 2:33pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Sterope: Just look at you, the person you quoted mentioned Atiku and Buhari, but you didn't say Atiku and Buhari are not Nigeria by birth. Yeye dey smell. |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by baralatie(m): 2:35pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Sterope:you will meet obasanjo,buhari,ibb, Abdul salami, the law Williams that gave us this constitution nah. abi you want to fight the constitution abi as you obj name you want to change the constitution |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Wonderlabius: 2:58pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Attack the processor constitution and not the person. You people want to re-write our constitution here. Leave the court to decide that. |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by adekolaelect(m): 2:59pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Wailers were insulting and complained when APC did not yet reply Atikus Tribunals case but now when APC replied PDP & Wailers now got a new job of defending the APC catapult on their face .To me election had came and gone .Two candidates can't win presidential election but whoever that wins or lose will look for platform to keep his or her supporters intact for the next future elections .They will trying keeping you busying by dishing out many things for their future politics ambitions. It is not bad to be a supporter of any candidates but it is a shame to carry their mater for head than the bearers . 1 Like
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Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Levant: 2:59pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
I am neither APC nor PDP. Let me give by own opinion as a neutral observer. I think Atiku has lost this. Not because he is not a Nigerian, but because there is a loophole in the constitution that cannot allow him to be regarded as a Nigerian by birth. The constitution is silent about the fate of those born before independence in a town like Jada, that only became a part of Nigeria after a plebiscite, in which the people chose to be part of Nigeria and not part of Cameroon. Jada was ruled by Britain. It is similar to the issue of Kashmir that is disputed territory between Pakistan and India. The difference with Kashmir is that the will of the people of British Cameroon prevailed and they joined Nigeria. The Kashmiris have not been allowed to voice whom they want to join or whether to be independent. For the mere fact that Britain had ruled that land alongside with Nigeria doesn't make it a part of Nigeria that got independence in 1960. That land was part of German ruled Cameroon which was divided after the German defeat of world war 1 between France and Britain. When Nigeria was amalgamated by the British, that piece of land was ruled by Germany. Assuming today Ghanaians say they want to be part of Nigeria for the mere fact that they speak English and were British ruled, there would be need for the constitution to specifically recognize the Ghanaians born before 2019 as "Nigerians by birth" after joining Nigeria in 2019. If the constitution is silent on their fate, and the constitution states that for someone to become president he must be a Nigerian by birth, then Ghanaians born before 2019 cannot claim to have been born in Nigeria. Only those of Ghanaian descent born after 2019 would be considered as Nigerians by birth because Ghana ceased to be Ghana and became Nigeria only in 2019. Assuming the constitution had stipulated that those born in a land that later joined Nigeria can also be considered Nigerians by birth, then the issue would be resolved easily. But the constitution is silent. And since Atiku was born in a land before independence that was not a part of Nigeria, then Atiku is not a Nigerian by birth but by naturalisation, more or less. Those born in Jada after independence and after the plebiscite of 1961 can thus be regarded as Nigerian citizens by birth, but not someone like Atiku who was born there before the plebiscite. Assuming, the constitution would have made mention specifically about the fate of such persons as Atiku and granted them right to be considered as citizens by birth, then it won't have been an issue. Laws are only formulated when there is need or through an event or incident. It doesn't mean Atiku is not a Nigerian and it doesn't mean Atiku is a Cameroonian because that land ceased to be a part of Cameroon after world war 1 and the defeat of the Germans. What became Cameroon was divided between France and Britain. and that land wasnt Cameroon after British rule. So Atiku is Nigerian but not by birth. And he is not to be considered Cameroonian either. It only means that since the Nigerian constitution is silent on the specific, Atiku is not eligible to become Nigeria's President. The president must be Nigerian by birth. Whoever thought of this and decided to pick it up is a genius. And Atiku will lose it. It is just on the fact that he is not eligible to be Nigeria's president even though he is Nigerian but not by birth. 6 Likes |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by YoungAncient1: 3:00pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
naijapips04:I love this question. |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Levant: 3:02pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
amaniro: One is only eligible to become president of Nigeria by birth. If you were not born in Nigeria, then even if you become a Nigerian through other means, you cannot become president of Nigeria. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by banio: 3:04pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Unconstitutional Constitution leading us to .... |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by baralatie(m): 3:06pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
banio:constitute of constitutional construct |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by dancewith: 3:15pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Levant: Your argument would have been valid if the constitution didn't state indigenous to Nigeria. It means upon the plesbicite those communities became indigenous to Nigeria and treated as if they had always been Nigerians. The constitution made that much clear. On the extent of non clarity in this, the court are usually required to toe the line of common sense and justice. How would you treat those communities? They are not Nigerian by naturalisation either as the constitution spelt out steps to become naturalized. Neither re they citizens by registration Let's stop confusing issues where non exists |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Neddyogu(m): 3:19pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
[code][/code] Ratello:No mind d bomboclat 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Elemosho478: 3:21pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
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Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Elemosho478: 3:23pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
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Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Levant: 3:24pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
dancewith: The definition of what constitute a "community" would then be contested. Is the constitution referring to Fulanis as a community? Won't that make Fulanis in Senegal and Central African Republic eligible to vote and be president in Nigeria? Or is the constitution referring to "indigenous community" meaning originating in Nigeria as a people living on the land? You may say it is confusing issues, but there are precedents to be set. Sadly, the confusion is arising from the fact that those who became citizens through a plebiscite and were born before independence are not given mention in the constitution. Therefore people like Atiku born before independence aren't Nigerians by birth but through plebiscite, which is similar to referendum or naturalisation. Atiku has lost this. Mark this post! People of Jada born after the plebiscite, only, can then be considered as Nigerians by birth, not those before the plebiscite since the constitution is silent on their matter. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by amaniro: 3:25pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Levant: Its just a little point BTW. Both Buhari and Atiku were not born in Nigeria... and probably the person self who started it. so why the fuss?? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by amaniro: 3:30pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Levant: Guy I analyzed your argument and I think you're wrong. If this is so even Obasanjo, Buhari, Jonathan, Yaradua are not Nigerians! The whites caused all these fa |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Levant: 3:41pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
amaniro: Were they born on territories outside those amalgamated in 1914, as Atiku was? What constitutes Nigeria as was known at independence in 1960 are those three regions amalgamated in 1914. Jada only became a part of Nigeria in 1961 (and wasnt part of the regions amalgamated in 1914). 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by thedio(m): 3:42pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Pentasoft1978:its like u don't understand their game plan. These ppl r trying to kill and bury Atiku political career. Buhari is not coming back in 2023 and they av seen atiku's popularity in both north and south so they need to act fast 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian By Birth: A Dissection Of Atiku's Citizenship by Levant: 3:43pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
amaniro: Do you have evidence Daura wasnt part of Nigeria as at 1960? Or do you have evidence Buhari wasnt actually born in daura? If you have evidence bring it forward. The thing is Atiku himself isn't denying that he was born in Jada. 1 Like |
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