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Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by Nobody: 10:21am On Apr 23, 2019 |
Bigajeff: Which countries are you talking about |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by Nobody: 10:28am On Apr 23, 2019 |
DarkJeddi: You did not answer my question. Even the so called calculated risks do not stop some of the unfortunate occurrences I have mentioned from occurring. Engaging in this barbaric act in 2019 instead of embracing advanced alternatives is a stupid risk. 1 Like |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by TheGiftedOne(m): 10:37am On Apr 23, 2019 |
helpee: I'd rather you shut tha hell up. Common Sect from set you cannot differentiate. |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by KingLennon(m): 10:48am On Apr 23, 2019 |
omozu1:Religion brings tribalism. Imagine putting everybody in one religion |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by engrzico(m): 10:49am On Apr 23, 2019 |
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Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by yaksdavirus: 10:54am On Apr 23, 2019 |
toprealman:I am a tecky guy I need things straight and simple. And I don't do celebrity gist also |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by Tabbaz(m): 10:54am On Apr 23, 2019 |
urose93: You are right at bolded. But here we are talking of a book passed on to us by human like us. We don't have any proof that the book is from the creator, and the reason why we need to use common sense when applying the book. P.S. Trust me, you will not think like this if you were not introduced to that book; if you were raised in a contrasting environment |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by yaksdavirus: 10:56am On Apr 23, 2019 |
engrzico:Weep for your own future because my future is secured and bright. If you like don't do important things with your life be weeping for what doesn't concerns you. |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by yaksdavirus: 10:59am On Apr 23, 2019 |
prinsam30: You no well dey support Buhari make him dey carry your future dey do kabukabu. Nonsenstical element for the highest order. Buhari has made it when he was your age you are here forming chairman. Sacrotistim lunaticstic abnormalialism ibeberisim behaviour from you. |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by ourema(f): 11:15am On Apr 23, 2019 |
babyhrt:Or better still they should get a machine to drain out the blood since its the administered blood that is the problem. Nonsense |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by helpee(m): 11:25am On Apr 23, 2019 |
Just2endowed2:you don't know anything about medicine. A doctor has right to reject patient too and refer to another place. And maybe you didn't read well....they needed a court injuction first before transfusion. There are several judicial precedence concerning Jehovah's witnesses... no doctor is obliged to transfuse if the parent insist unless you just want to....nobody can sue you if you refer the baby and take informed consent. |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by helpee(m): 11:30am On Apr 23, 2019 |
TheGiftedOne:common 'the' you can't differentiate from 'tha'. Idiot |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by helpee(m): 11:34am On Apr 23, 2019 |
MaziOmenuko:you are funny. Court will entertain any case regardless of judicial precedence. They may follow precedence when delivering judgement but the case can still take another 20yrs before supreme Court will even have chance to reaffirm it's judgement. And no two cases are exactly similar so the lawyers will always capitalize on the little difference to say the case is different from the one supreme Court earlier decided on. Most people assume court is straightforward, get there first and you will understand when the lawyers start twisting Cases. It is never worth it NB...what are we even saying. You have agreed with me by saying they will be heard. So that solves it. They will be heard...and it maybe in another 22yrs before the case will be decided again during which you will be spending money, time and putting your practice under avoidable scrutiny. While I am not saying the supreme won't help if you have such cases, I am so sure no experienced doctor in private practice without the support of a giant like Chevron will try to be playing heroism by insisting on blood transfusion when the parent are saying no. Take their consent and refer. Nobody will blame you. It is done Everytime in private practice |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by SUCCEED001(m): 11:39am On Apr 23, 2019 |
And the so called parents took the child home... Was thinking they would reject the child. Mtcheeeew |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by aribisala0(m): 11:40am On Apr 23, 2019 |
frankmoney: This issue is not about supporting one side or another. That is a pedestrian issue The issue here is about how laws are made in society. It is not inconceivable that the opposite conclusion was reached . There is an argument for both sides. Unfortunately we live in an era oof "REACTION" This is a matter of principle of law and it seems really too complex for you. Who decides what is a good treatment for a child? The question of autonomy? Who is a child? Gillick Competence etc all come into it Who decides on blood transfusion. abortion, brain surgery circumcision( male or female), should 1mbecile children be given contraception or even sterilized. Can a parent donate a child's kidney if they are dying or not dying? The issue is about principle not reacting to one particular set of circumstances What if a Muslim says he does not want blood from a Christian or vice versa for their dying child or insulin made from pigs What if science in the future can prolong life with translants from goats and pigs. Who decides? Law is not about reacting but establishing jurisprudential principles that span scenarios and generations |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by aribisala0(m): 11:51am On Apr 23, 2019 |
MaziOmenuko: Fundamental error "Such cases"? Two things 1.Supreme courts can reverse themselves over time/generations or in the light of NEW LEGISLATION. The Supreme Court only interprets existing legislation which could change. Even the constitution could change 2. "Such cases" What exactly is such a a case? The law is notorious for being behind technology.Technology develops everysingle day. You cannot legislate or litigate at the same rate What if in fuuture it becomes possible to save liveswith blood transfusions or organ transplants from pigs and cows? The law is not ready for that The possibilities are infinite and to that extent many cases will always be heard on their own merit |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by Just2endowed2(m): 11:57am On Apr 23, 2019 |
helpee: you are right too |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by Lovexme(m): 12:00pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
Reminds me of the movie "The Children Act". |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by themanderon: 12:01pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
Then what's the need of taking the child to the hospital then? Stupid people everywhere. 1 Like |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by Janosky: 12:12pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
"Open Heart Surgery Achieves Success with out blood transfusions https://sharing.mayoclinic.org/2017/10/26/open-heart-surgery-achieves-success-without-blood-transfusions/ ** https://windsorstar.com/health/bloodless-surgery-option-reveals-unexpected-benefits The so called "common sense" of man is INFERIOR to the wisdom of Jehovah, the Supreme Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes it's name ( Eph3:14,15. Psalms 104:24) . The instructions from Jehovah is "abstain from blood", (Acts 15:20 Lev17:11,14) . Na which man know pass God? JWs choice is to obey God in all things Acts5:29 Some comments here were borne out of crass ignorance and to a large extent, prejudice . There are various safer alternatives to blood transfusions known to medical science and medical personnel in this part of the world can not afford to be left behind as far as current best practices of their esteemed profession is concerned . ** Blood transfusions is not the one stop cure all , which most health professionals would want us to believe . *** Why should the Court determine what medical treatment is best for a child? One day they will rule that Atheism or LGBT Studies is compulsory for Post Primary institutions. **The age of the child wasn't given, I'm aware that in some cases the law recognize the right of a minor to speak up for himself/ herself (independent of their parents beliefs) before for the Court will pass judgement as to legality or other wise of the doctor's request . It seems that aspect wasn't taken into account before the court verdict. Hopefully with more advancement in medical science and improved health care , that Court judgement would be fit only for the history books . |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by flamingREED(m): 12:24pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
The way out is for JW's to practice banking of individual bloods against such times of emergency. If they fail to cope then they should bear the consequences. |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by Zeinymira(f): 1:14pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
Mynd44: Where did you get this wrong notion from To think we are talking about a minor here. Islam does not forbid a child from receiving medical treatments from an opposite sex. For a grown up female, it's permissible for her to seek healthcare from a male doctor/nurse if a female doc/nurse is not available. I have been in a situation where a Christian lady insisted that she wants female doctor and nurses. The male nurses had to excuse her |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by Mynd44: 1:45pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
Zeinymira: Islam does not forbid it but some sects in Islam forbids it. I have seen it happen. |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by Zeinymira(f): 2:00pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
Mynd44: Islam is more about saving lives first. Please, kindly mention those sects. We know JWs in Christianity |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by wellmax(m): 2:11pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
yaksdavirus:Try just try to read, you won't die. Don't be intellectually lazy |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by toprealman: 3:07pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
yaksdavirus:I hear you |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by riczy(m): 3:46pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
Take it any Wer a belief remains a belief,take itvor jettison it |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by Ozkar: 6:17pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
GavelSlam:the funny part is that they are one of the few Christian groups that actually try to follow the Bible (albeit rigidly). From this blood thing to women not presiding over men in the church, they are in the Bible. The same Bible in which Abraham was praised as a man of faith for attempting to murder his child as a sacrifice to God. The Bible tells us that your relationship with God is more important than the life of your child and you should be willing to sacrifice ANYTHING to obey God. Perhaps you mean do away with primitive and archaic books 1 Like |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by mostyg(m): 8:07pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
Mynd44: The right to live outweighs the forbiddens. In the example you brought forth, anybody that understands Islam very well would know that the parents has no choice than to allow the doctor to treat their daughter if it's a life threatening ailment It also applies to a Muslim man if the wife is sick. It is preferable that a female doctor attends to her but if non in available a male doctor is allowed to threat her. 1 Like |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by ImaIma1(f): 11:51pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
stargazer22: It's not an African thing. In the US, the parents would win the case. I read that the doctors hardly interfere with the JW beliefs as regards blood transfusion |
Re: You Can't Deny A Child Healthcare Because Of Your Religious Beliefs - Court by ImaIma1(f): 11:53pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
koyyes: That is always their argument. Are they praying or hoping that their child would contact any of these? What is the ratio of those that contact them through blood to the ones that don't? In this case, did the child contact any? |
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