It's easier to decide a game in only two actions when all you do is lurk around the opposition's 18 yard box waiting for crosses and passes you can tap in.

Messi does way more in a match. Whether he scores or not, wins or loses, he's always orchestrating, creating chances with unbelievable defense splitting passes, taking on your defenders.

And no, Ronaldo does not win games on his own. Never has. He needs teammates who can give him good crosses, pin point passes in the 18 yard box and win him penalties. That's the reason he was silent in the first leg against Atletico and didn't even reach the semis - the Juve team isn't as creative as Madrid was.

Codes151:
For those that don’t understand, what he’s saying is, “in an attacking team, Messi is good.... but in a less attacking or good team, Ronaldo can stand alone and do the undoable

yeah, that's why Juve crashed out to Atalanta in their Italian Cup and then to Ajax in the quarterfinals of the UCL.

And Barca reached the final abi?

Ozkar:
yeah, that's why Juve crashed out to Atalanta in their Italian Cup and then to Ajax in the quarterfinals of the UCL.

Ozkar:
It's easier to decide a game in only two actions when all you do is lurk around the opposition's 18 yard box waiting for crosses and passes you can tap in.

Messi does way more in a match. Whether he scores or not, wins or loses, he's always orchestrating, creating chances with unbelievable defense splitting passes, taking on your defenders.

And no, Ronaldo does not win games on his own. Never has. He needs teammates who can give him good crosses, pin point passes in the 18 yard box and win him penalties. That's the reason he was silent in the first leg against Atletico and didn't even reach the semis - the Juve team isn't as creative as Madrid was.

How then is it that Ronaldo still has more assists than any Real Madrid player ever??

jelel6:


Lemme ignore every unnecessary blabbing until you got to the point where you attempted answering the question ( dodging it actually ).

Of course, Ronaldo has 5 Balloon D'or because he is the best goalscorer amongst that group. But the questions still stands, bar his phenomenal number of goals, he's your Lewandowski or Aguero or Suarez. Or tell us, what does he do differently? Score more goals.

Ehn, There are people who are more knowledgeable about football than me, I'll agree. People like...

Arsene Wenger.

Who's the best footballer on the world? MESSI

Who's the best footballer of ALL TIME? MESSI
Emphasis on ALL.

Wenger is not alone. There are countless football icons who have dared to not only compare Messi with Pele and Maradona, but (rightfully) place him above those two. Countless people. Even teammates of Ronaldo!

So, find those knowledgeable people you where talking about who DARED to put Ronaldo in the same breathe as Pele and Maradona. I can find 10 for Messi. Find one for Ronaldo. Just one and let's see who that is

Everyone knows Pele is the greatest footballer of all time....
Now greatest is what you've achieved as a footballer
And best is how you play on the pitch

So now using these two definitions ,

Can you tell how maradona best Ronaldo, or how he is greater than Ronaldo

Jokerman:


How then is it that Ronaldo still has more assists than any Real Madrid player ever??

he had 9 years to do that while players like Di Maria and Ozil left after only a few years.

It is possible due to the simple fact that the assist is awarded to the player that makes last pass, and not necessarily the one who creates the chance.

Which means if Modric makes a defense-splitting pass to Ronaldo and while 2-on-1 against the keeper, Ronaldo makes a simple pass to Benzema who scores, Ronaldo and not Modric would be awarded the assist. Having an assist doesn't necessarily make you creative. It means you touched the ball last before the your teammate scored.

Even a rebound is awarded as an assist, if a teammate scores it. As an example, Juve beat Napoli 3 - 1 this season, and Ronaldo grabbed 3 assists. Guess what, 2 of them were rebounds from Ronaldo's shots at goal. Only the first was a cross.

There's nothing creative about a rebound. Only means you tried to score and failed but your teammate didn't.

Codes151:
And Barca reached the final abi?

no, they went one step higher than Juve could - the semis. Why change the topic though? I thought you guys say Ronaldo would succeed in an average/poor team and singlehandedly win trophies, while Messi needs a good team.

Why didn't Ronaldo stand alone to do the undoable? 9 years in Spain, just two league wins.

Ozkar:
he had 9 years to do that while players like Di Maria and Ozil left after only a few years.

It is possible due to the simple fact that the assist is awarded to the player that makes last pass, and not necessarily the one who creates the chance.

Which means if Modric makes a defense-splitting pass to Ronaldo and while 2-on-1 against the keeper, Ronaldo makes a simple pass to Benzema who scores, Ronaldo and not Modric would be awarded the assist. Having an assist doesn't necessarily make you creative. It means you touched the ball last before the your teammate scored.

Even a rebound is awarded as an assist, if a teammate scores it. As an example, Juve beat Napoli 3 - 1 this season, and Ronaldo grabbed 3 assists. Guess what, 2 of them were rebounds from Ronaldo's shots
at goal. Only the first was a cross.

There's nothing creative about a rebound. Only means you tried to score and failed but your teammate didn't.

The assists Messi gives, aren't they to the last man as well??

Ozkar:
no, they went one step higher than Juve could - the semis. Why change the topic though? I thought you guys say Ronaldo would succeed in an average/poor team and singlehandedly win trophies, while Messi needs a good team.

Why didn't Ronaldo stand alone to do the undoable? 9 years in Spain, just two league wins.

Creative Messi, 20 years for Argentina, 0 major trophies

Jokerman:


Creative Messi, 20 years for Argentina, 0 major trophies

creative Messi, two golden balls in senior international football (one in a world cup tournament!) without needing to win the trophy. Win or lose, he's always the best in his team.

The other dude disappears when he doesn't have the chance to score. Many times, his team doesn't even miss his contributions (or even presence on the pitch) and go on to win anyway.

Jokerman:


The assists Messi gives, aren't they to the last man as well??

go and watch their asssists on YouTube. Many of Messi's assists are breathtaking. And those are simply the ones teammates score. If you watch Ronaldo and Messi often, you wouldn't even be making these comparisons anymore.

There's only one individual criteria in which Ronaldo isn't completely blown away - goal scoring (and Messi is still better), so you guys try to drag in trophies (which is a team achievement). When you realize Messi still has more total trophies, you quickly center on UCL and Euro, and try to pass off La Liga as too easy

In the end, it is a crap claim that Ronaldo wins trophies with average teams.

Ozkar:
creative Messi, two golden balls in senior international football (one in a world cup tournament!) without needing to win the trophy. Win or lose, he's always the best in his team.

The other dude disappears when he doesn't have the chance to score. Many times, his team doesn't even miss his contributions (or even presence on the pitch) and go on to win anyway.

Lol.... You this Messi fans are clowns... No team misses his presence... Lol, had it not been better than Barca played with Messi against Roma last year, or against Liverpool this year

You mean golden ball blatter gave a player that wasn't included in the team of the tournament or what??
Moreover if Ronaldo played the finals completely of Euros 2016, he would have won the best player of the tournament

However Messi has played 3 finals for Argentina, and lost all... What was his impact??

Ozkar:
go and watch their asssists on YouTube. Many of Messi's assists are breathtaking. And those are simply the ones teammates score. If you watch Ronaldo and Messi often, you wouldn't even be making these comparisons anymore.

There's only one individual criteria in which Ronaldo isn't completely blown away - goal scoring (and Messi is still better), so you guys try to drag in trophies (which is a team achievement). When you realize Messi still has more total trophies, you quickly center on UCL and Euro, and try to pass off La Liga as too easy

In the end, it is a crap claim that Ronaldo wins trophies with average teams.

Why doesn't he do this magic with Argentina??

naturalwaves:

I was done with you long ago.
Take heart!

... You never got going really

chiboy1116:
nah , I don't think so , Messi has more fans in Europe (Ronaldo is loved in England and Portugal though), Asia and South America .

that is very very arguable.

Jokerman:


Everyone knows Pele is the greatest footballer of all time....
Now greatest is what you've achieved as a footballer
And best is how you play on the pitch

So now using these two definitions ,

Can you tell how maradona best Ronaldo, or how he is greater than Ronaldo

Finally, someone who's ready to define a criteria for measuring "Best and Greatest"

Apparently, Alot of credit is being attached to those who won the world cup.

Pele had insane numbers and won the world cup 3 times.

Maradona won the world cup once but people say his performance throughout the tournament was the SINGLE GREATEST INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCE to lead any country to the world cup. Better than any one of Pele's.

Maradona greater than Ronaldo?
It depends on how much value you place on the world cup. It's seen as the Holy grail. Since you say Pele is the greatest footballer of all time, I'll presume you place winning the world cup above everything else. Even with two Ballon D'or and lesser goals, perhaps Maradona. No objections if you say Ronaldo.

The best?
Maradona. Goalscoring is the most important thing about football. I won't lie. Ronaldo's game has changed very much from what it was earlier on. I know he made the change himself, to his credit. But alot of his "other" game suffered as a result. he's now strictly a goal machine. But the thing with goal scorers is that they tend to be seen when and if they score goals. Mostly. You tend to miss their goalscoring presence when they are absent. But the team still manages to play good football regardless. Because people do the heavy lifting for them and they just put the finishing touches.

Then, their are the ballers who tend to define the whole identity of the team. Everything has to pass through them. Not necessarily by design, but by neccessity. They are the nucleus of the team. The orchestra. They provide the ammunition for the others to flourish. They tend to make the others play better. They bring out the best in others. They are the Maradonas. But Maradona wasn't just any orchestra, he was one of the most ingenious who ever played. He's the kind that are the best players time and again without having to score themselves. He chipped in with fair amount of goals himself. Important goals. Not to the level of a goal scoring machine like Ronaldo, but far above others who claim to be orchestras themselves.

The sight of a football at the feet of a Maradona is why WE LOVE FOOTBALL. A goal only takes one second to enter and a few moments for the excitement to vanish. But with a Maradona, there's always excitement everytime his feet meets the ball. And if he happens to put the icing on the cake after one of those breathtaking moments by scoring a goal, that is the best of both worlds. And that's what being the best is should be all about.

Ozkar:
It's easier to decide a game in only two actions when all you do is lurk around the opposition's 18 yard box waiting for crosses and passes you can tap in.

Messi does way more in a match. Whether he scores or not, wins or loses, he's always orchestrating, creating chances with unbelievable defense splitting passes, taking on your defenders.

And no, Ronaldo does not win games on his own. Never has. He needs teammates who can give him good crosses, pin point passes in the 18 yard box and win him penalties. That's the reason he was silent in the first leg against Atletico and didn't even reach the semis - the Juve team isn't as creative as Madrid was.

Finally, someone who actually UNDERSTANDS THE dynamics of being called the Best footballer and NOT THE BEST GOALSCORER.

If I'm told that Ronaldo will only score 20 goals next season, the same numbers will be posted by players like Hazard, Neymar, Mbappa, Salah, Debruyne, dembele, Sancho, and so on, I'll DEFINITELY Choose all of them before picking Ronaldo. I know players like Hazard, Debruyne and Neymar can run a football match for 90 minutes without scoring any goal. They make the whole team play better football overall.

In my primary school days and early secondary, I was the best goalscorer when we play every break sessions.
I was so good at scoring. And it's quite competitive oh. Primary 6 Vs 5, 5 Vs 6. You want to beat your seniors and can't allow the juniors beat you. I think I rival Pele's numbers
If we score three, maybe I'd score them all one, me. 5? Me 3. Undisputed striker. that's me.

But school official matches in the big school pitch? I don't even start because there was one guy who can score too. The guy na proper baller. If I was Solomon Randon or Didier Drogba, the guy was Delima Ronaldo. A complete baller. The Real best striker in my school actually.

Even Ronaldo will admit he can't do what Messi does. If there was only one spot left to play in any Team, and Ronaldo and Messi are the two options, even Sir Alex Ferguson would put Messi in there without hesitation. He would have realized the difference between them is daylight when Messi destroyed his team in 08 and 11.

Wayne Rooney didn't took long to come to his senses.

Jokerman:


Lol.... You this Messi fans are clowns... No team misses his presence... Lol, had it not been better than Barca played with Messi against Roma last year, or against Liverpool this year

You mean golden ball blatter gave a player that wasn't included in the team of the tournament or what??
Moreover if Ronaldo played the finals completely of Euros 2016, he would have won the best player of the tournament

However Messi has played 3 finals for Argentina, and lost all... What was his impact??

I'm not interested in your ifs. There's no guarantee Portugal wouldn't have lost if Ronaldo had played the full game. He was marked out all the time he was on, and France was by far the better side.

Messi's impact? At worst, same impact as Ronaldo had in the confederations cup when they faced Chile. They even won the 3rd place game after Ronaldo left. Portugal is arguably a better team without Ronaldo on the pitch.

Messi was the best player of the tournament in 2 of those 3 finals. Let that sink in. Ronaldo has never played better than everyone else in an international tournament.

Last season UCL semi final and final proves my point. Ronaldo made no direct contribution whatsoever after the quarterfinal penalty against Juve. Yet Madrid went on to win the title.

Let Messi have just one bad game in the UCL, Barcelona gets knocked out. Different levels, man.

Jokerman:


Why doesn't he do this magic with Argentina??

he steadily does his magic with Argentina. Only difference is that Argentina haven't won major titles. It takes a team to win titles, and not just one player.

He's their top scorer of all time, and a huge reason they have gotten to the finals they got to. Problem is the team depends too much on Messi to do everything (create chances and score), just like Barca in this Champion's League. It's easier to beat you if you are a one man team.

No one would depend on Ronaldo that much cos he doesn't even create chances. They only depend on him to score, but if he doesn't, someone else goes ahead to score and win the game.

Ozkar:
I'm not interested in your ifs. There's no guarantee Portugal wouldn't have lost if Ronaldo had played the full game. He was marked out all the time he was on, and France was by far the better side.

Messi's impact? At worst, same impact as Ronaldo had in the confederations cup when they faced Chile. They even won the 3rd place game after Ronaldo left. Portugal is arguably a better team without Ronaldo on the pitch.

Messi was the best player of the tournament in 2 of those 3 finals. Let that sink in. Ronaldo has never played better than everyone else in an international tournament.

Last season UCL semi final and final proves my point. Ronaldo made no direct contribution whatsoever after the quarterfinal penalty against Juve. Yet Madrid went on to win the title.

Let Messi have just one bad game in the UCL, Barcelona gets knocked out. Different levels, man.

Damn... i wish i had your football knowledge....
There's one idiot on Twitter i want to educate on this Messi v ronaldo debate....
Of course there's no debate.... Messi's the best.

Messi no dey score goal abi

miketayo:


Goals win games

sssoulw:
Messi no dey score goal abi

Not the type Ronaldo scores, Messi is only the best in the right situation, put him in West Ham or Stoke, he would be a good player at best, put Ronaldo anywhere he LL still look like the best in the world

No be so... When Players are in the of their own game, their way goes right.... take an example, Real Madrid vs Liverpool UCL Final 3:1 result, You will notice that Bale was untop of his game and not ronaldo.. another one happened when Barcelona beat madrid 4:0 ronaldo was not in the top of his game.... Same goes to Messi, Bayern Munich vs Barcelona when barcelona lost 4:0, messi was not in the top of his game..... even the recent match Liverpool vs Barcelona

All players have good times and bad times bro

miketayo:


Not the type Ronaldo scores, Messi is only the best in the right situation, put him in West Ham or Stoke, he would be a good player at best, put Ronaldo anywhere he LL still look like the best in the world

And again remember ronaldo is not the top scorer of seria A .... Some years can be like that

miketayo:


Not the type Ronaldo scores, Messi is only the best in the right situation, put him in West Ham or Stoke, he would be a good player at best, put Ronaldo anywhere he LL still look like the best in the world

sssoulw:
No be so... When Players are in the of their own game, their way goes right.... take an example, Real Madrid vs Liverpool UCL Final 3:1 result, You will notice that Bale was untop of his game and not ronaldo.. another one happened when Barcelona beat madrid 4:0 ronaldo was not in the top of his game.... Same goes to Messi, Bayern Munich vs Barcelona when barcelona lost 4:0, messi was not in the top of his game..... even the recent match Liverpool vs Barcelona

All players have good times and bad times bro

I m not talking about a game or 2 I m talking about career, we can agree Barca Messi is different from Argentine Messi, but Ronaldo is the same player everywhere, do u think if Ronaldo was in that Barca team would lose 4-0 to Liverpool after beating them 3-0 in the first leg? He would have scored or pushed him team to score somehow. As it is now Messi will finish his career with Barca, we can't really tell how he would have performed in Italy or England.

Haba.. who b Argentina all time scorer...
And besides the guy has lifted trophies in argentina

miketayo:


I m not talking about a game or 2 I m talking about career, we can agree Barca Messi is different from Argentine Messi, but Ronaldo is the same player everywhere, do u think if Ronaldo was in that Barca team would lose 4-0 to Liverpool after beating them 3-0 in the first leg? He would have scored or pushed him team to score somehow. As it is now Messi will finish his career with Barca, we can't really tell how he would have performed in Italy or England.

sssoulw:
Haba.. who b Argentina all time scorer...
And besides the guy has lifted trophies in argentina

He has won mostly individual trophies with Argentina, just one Olympic that's all.. on the pitch anyone can tell the difference between Barca Messi and Argentine Messi, even though he was surrounded by better players than CR7.
Wait has Argentina won their nation's cup since Messi has been playing?

Ozkar:
he had 9 years to do that while players like Di Maria and Ozil left after only a few years.

It is possible due to the simple fact that the assist is awarded to the player that makes last pass, and not necessarily the one who creates the chance.

Which means if Modric makes a defense-splitting pass to Ronaldo and while 2-on-1 against the keeper, Ronaldo makes a simple pass to Benzema who scores, Ronaldo and not Modric would be awarded the assist. Having an assist doesn't necessarily make you creative. It means you touched the ball last before the your teammate scored.

Even a rebound is awarded as an assist, if a teammate scores it. As an example, Juve beat Napoli 3 - 1 this season, and Ronaldo grabbed 3 assists. Guess what, 2 of them were rebounds from Ronaldo's shots at goal. Only the first was a cross.

There's nothing creative about a rebound. Only means you tried to score and failed but your teammate didn't.

It's certain that u are very very very very dull

Ronaldo fans no like the truth

cr7lomo:


It's certain that u are very very very very dull

cr7lomo:


It's certain that u are very very very very dull

aren't you the same eediot who was attacking his own logic the other day?

You have been noticed. Run along now.

Ozkar:
aren't you the same eediot who was attacking his own logic the other day?

You have been noticed. Run along now.

Deal with ur mental illness first .... I don't argue with daft low lives like u...