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Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by timmy2409(m): 6:38am On Sep 23, 2010
I plan to teach for at least one year at a Nigerian uni after my study in the US, and I was thinking of ways to positively affect the educational climate there. I was wondering if a reinvention (more like re-definition) of fraternities would be possible/a good idea.

To prevent results similar to Soyinka's Pirates, I decided that each fraternity, including all of its members, must be registered and easily recognizable by the university's authorities. Each frat must also have clearly defined objectives and missions to be registered in the first place. It would always have meetings in the daylight and must submit transcripts from every meeting to the school authorities -- offending frats would be dissolved.For starters, the fraternity I have in mind would recruit students of high intellect and academic standings, would engage in community service and would provide a platform for the 'brains' to share ideas, concepts and opportunities. Apart from countering the negativity associated with 'frats', I think the idea of a positive frat would appeal to some large corporations in Nigeria which would in turn open up scholarship and employment opportunities to the frat members.

So do you think it's a good idea? what are the holes in it? if you were the dean of said university, would you endorse such an idea?
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by VALIDATOR: 7:41am On Sep 23, 2010
^^^
It is an extremely dangerous idea. Most of the current frats now started on a "noble" mission but there is always at least a Judas is every gathering.
Frats are easier to start up than manage and I see absolutely no need for them in our campuses. You dissolving offending frats means you will be accused of bias and they will then start operating in the dark and that is Back to square one.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Justcash(m): 7:56am On Sep 23, 2010
VALIDATOR:

^^^
It is an extremely dangerous idea. Most of the current frats now started on a "noble" mission but there is always at least a Judas is every gathering.
Frats are easier to start up than manage and I see absolutely no need for them in our campuses. You dissolving offending frats means you will be accused of bias and they will then start operating in the dark and that is Back to square one.

On point. If you know the complexity of campus cultism in Nigeria, you'll understand that you need to start outside the campus with very top societal figures before you will succeed in what you plan to do. If not, you may start it, and end up as a victim. Lol!
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by hollo: 12:22pm On Sep 23, 2010
when you give Nigerian students of today an inch, they take a mile
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Cogito(m): 12:31pm On Sep 23, 2010
I like the idea and I applaud you for it. If I were a dean I would certainly endorse it. However I almost feel like you'll need to build an entirely new private University to start with these ideas. Between that and trying to start in the current tertiary educational climate, I'm not sure which would be more stressful, honestly.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by chamber2(m): 12:39pm On Sep 23, 2010
It is an extremely dangerous idea. Most of the current frats now started on a "noble" mission but there is always at least a Judas is every gathering.
Frats are easier to start up than manage and I see absolutely no need for them in our campuses. You dissolving offending frats means you will be accused of bias and they will then start operating in the dark and that is Back to square one.

Exactly what I had wanted to say.Is this all you can bring/offer from the US after all ur education?Please dont even think of it.There so many go things that can engage bright students of higher institutions other than frat no matter d kind of name and baptism u want to give it. tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by brilantio: 1:19pm On Sep 23, 2010
Where's the fun??
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by xreal: 1:25pm On Sep 23, 2010
Good idea.
I assure you this; your 'noble' frat wld later wish to be respected, recognized, superior and so on; then the gun shots and blood shed - as they must fight for those attributes.

Talking about recruiting those of high intellect, good academic standing, the brainy and so on, beleive me, you may find none to recruit 'cos they 've been recruited already.
It seems you think the dullards in academics are the ones who 'belong' - you r wrong.

Your idea culd 've been easier if you were a member of a 'cult group' who passed through the system. There are more to it apart from what we see nd hear.

The truth is, you will step on toes.
My friend, it's a suicide mission.
I advice you go concentrate on your teaching.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Nobody: 1:37pm On Sep 23, 2010
xreal:

Good idea.
Talking about recruiting those of high intellect, good academic standing, the brainy and so on, beleive me, you may find none to recruit 'cos they 've been recruited already.
My friend, it's a suicide mission.
I advice you go concentrate on your teaching.
I don't know what you are on about there. This is because the very nature of being an active and agressive -not to say ultraviolent- cult guy ensures that the student has very little time to devote to his studies. Not only that, the discipline and concentration needed to attain and maintain high academic grades would be eroded by the very nature of the nefarious activities the cult guy gets up to.
The end result is that university secret  cults in Nigeria do tend to attract those who can be classed as nothing-to-lose dullards or the thugs who have a twisted agenda for being in the university system.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Nobody: 1:52pm On Sep 23, 2010
timmy2409:

I plan to teach for at least one year at a Nigerian uni after my study in the US, and I was thinking of ways to positively affect the educational climate there. I was wondering if a reinvention (more like re-definition) of fraternities would be possible/a good idea.

So do you think it's a good idea? what are the holes in it? if you were the dean of said university, would you endorse such an idea?
You don't know what you're talking about to be honest. What you are trying to do is to set up US style fraternities in Nigeria where the culture is quite different.
Maybe you can say that there is much more of an oppressor culture within Nigerian universities and so you would expect these new cult guys to imbibe the prevailing violent cult culture.
But I do feel that the serious students would not touch your new cult with a barge pole in view of the antecedents of cults in Nigeria.
So ultimately you would still have to recruit from amongst the thugs and hooligans in existing cults. That is, in of itself, a recipe for a violent conflagration.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by chamber2(m): 1:55pm On Sep 23, 2010
I plan to teach for at least one year at a Nigerian uni after my study in the US

He seem not to even much time to execute his project grin grin grin

WHO WILL LOOK AFTER THEM WHEN U GO BACK TO THE US

DONT DONT DONT
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by WackyJ1(m): 2:00pm On Sep 23, 2010
you'll just be putting yourself and the members of your frat in danger
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by martinosi: 2:05pm On Sep 23, 2010
timmy2409:

I plan to teach for at least one year at a Nigerian uni after my study in the US, and I was thinking of ways to positively affect the educational climate there. I was wondering if a reinvention (more like re-definition) of fraternities would be possible/a good idea.


MY FRIEND U  NEED TO STOP ALL THESE GRAND ILLUSIONS,
STOP ALL THIS FOOLISH TALK,

WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS BAN FRATS & SOROTITIES IN 9JA UNI'S!!!

U NEED TO WAKE UP FROM UR FOOLISH SLUMBER,

WHEN U FINISH FROM UR USA UNI's

go and get a proper gig(Job) and learn something worthwhile, !!
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Redman44(m): 2:06pm On Sep 23, 2010
I believe the Fraternities in Nigerian Universities can be reinvented for the good of the society. It will be a difficult task but it can be achieved. I know fraternities in the US and Nigeria are different due to economic factors, but Rome was not built in a day. In North American schools, Fraternities are open organizations that have well known and intelligent members. The Fraternities over there also have drinking clubs and guest rooms on the campuses in America. Some are even sponsored by Blue Chip companies etc. In Nigeria, there is no strong will on the part of the Federal Government to reform the cult groups and turn them to social and academic fraternities. In Nigeria, most things have been tied to religion and people do not see the value of being members of social organizations that have noble intentions. With groups like the Sigma Organisation, Rotary Club and the Democratic Socialist Movement [ DSM ] still surviving on our campuses, deadly campus cults can be reformed in Nigeria. Cheers.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Nobody: 2:25pm On Sep 23, 2010
^^That is rather apathetic and wishy-washy. No the government should not waste its time and energy trying to reform violent criminal gangs (cults) in Nigerian universities. They should simply  be seen as a menace, to be wiped out by the federal security forces.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by kokoye(m): 2:26pm On Sep 23, 2010
I dont see it working in Nigeria. . .except maybe in a private university where all the kids are from relatively comfortable homes.

There is abject poverty in Nigeria - poor students will see your frat boys and feel oppressed. In fact, they will be oppressed.

And that is how trouble starts.

Your frat will then need to recruit some of these poor thugs for protection . . and so on and so forth.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Nobody: 2:28pm On Sep 23, 2010
martinosi:

MY FRIEND U  NEED TO STOP ALL THESE GRAND ILLUSIONS,
STOP ALL THIS FOOLISH TALK,

WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS BAN FRATS & SOROTITIES IN 9JA UNI'S!!!

U NEED TO WAKE UP FROM your FOOLISH SLUMBER,

WHEN U FINISH FROM your USA UNI's

go and get a proper gig(Job) and learn something worthwhile, !!
Don't mind all these wishy-washy liberals here. We don't need to understand or reason along with the cult guys. They should just be arrested and locked up for a very long time.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by frudokafor(m): 2:39pm On Sep 23, 2010
that guy is high that is not what the university system need now.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Gamine(f): 2:53pm On Sep 23, 2010
Poster You need to watch Die Welle.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Tcrack(m): 3:27pm On Sep 23, 2010
martinosi:

MY FRIEND U NEED TO STOP ALL THESE GRAND ILLUSIONS,
STOP ALL THIS FOOLISH TALK,

WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS BAN FRATS & SOROTITIES IN 9JA UNI'S!!!

U NEED TO WAKE UP FROM your FOOLISH SLUMBER,

WHEN U FINISH FROM your USA UNI's

go and get a proper gig(Job) and learn something worthwhile, !!
if you dont agree with the poster, its ok. but must you come here and display your stupidity?
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by chamber2(m): 3:33pm On Sep 23, 2010
if you dont agree with the poster, its ok. but must you come here and display your stupidity?

its better we stop him with all manner of words b4 he re-creates the problems wole soyinka and co created
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by bismack: 4:16pm On Sep 23, 2010
@Poster

It is glaring that you are on a dreamland mission.Please i have cousins in the universities and would not want you to taint them with your soiled bloody hands!! Am sure you were a born cultist and only want now to increase your rank by inventing newer ways to kill and maim,stupid.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by oluite(f): 4:24pm On Sep 23, 2010
Not a good idea.Cultism is a very serious problem in Nigerian universities and it is already slowly but surely entering into the Secondary school system.
You could do something that will be related or beneficial to the educational system that has crumbled.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by bignaija(m): 4:37pm On Sep 23, 2010
let fly in experts from germany please
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by kabukabu(m): 4:40pm On Sep 23, 2010
bismack:

@Poster

It is glaring that you are on a dreamland mission.Please i have cousins in the universities and would not want you to taint them with your soiled bloody hands!! Am sure you were a born cultist and only want now to increase your rank by inventing newer ways to kill and maim,silly.

nigerians always think backwards,in the US frats are well respected,distinguished and established organisations.They build youth centers,donate to their schools,assist each other in all walks of life,encourage members to excell at all levels.The poster obviously knows this and wants to bring positivity back to campus fraternities.
You give a naija man an idea, he thinks you're an idiot.SMH
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by kokoye(m): 4:45pm On Sep 23, 2010
kabukabu:

nigerians always think backwards,in the US frats are well respected,distinguished and established organisations.They build youth centers,donate to their schools,assist each other in all walks of life,encourage members to excell at all levels.The poster obviously knows this and wants to bring positivity back to campus fraternities.
You give a naija man an idea, he thinks you're an .SMH

Sorry. It will not work in Nigeria the way it works here in the U.S. Not with the way things are now.

You can read my earlier post for more clarification
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by teskyg: 4:49pm On Sep 23, 2010
I can see cultist at work(in support) of your agenda.Bro,please come with something better.Did you spend all your time in the US thinking of entrenching frat. in Nigeria.You cant imagine the magnitude of  fire you are trying to stroke.

Please,have a rethink,
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by vishnu2: 5:18pm On Sep 23, 2010
@poster pls ask Wole Shoyinka what he had in mind before introducing confraternity into the Nigerian University(Noble Motive). We know what naija students can make out of your so called fraternities or sororities. Beware cos you may be the victim of your so called noble initiative.
A word is enough for the wise.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by timmy2409(m): 5:26pm On Sep 23, 2010
I'm assuming all this uproar because I called it a 'frat'. what if i called it a club or a scholars society? would you accept it?

kokoye:

I dont see it working in Nigeria. . .except maybe in a private university where all the kids are from relatively comfortable homes.

There is abject poverty in Nigeria - poor students will see your frat boys and feel oppressed. In fact, they will be oppressed.

And that is how trouble starts.

Your frat will then need to recruit some of these poor thugs for protection . . and so on and so forth.
I said it would recruit students of relatively high intelligence, academic standings and potential. I would think that would be inspiring to lazy students to put more effort into their studies


bismack:

@Poster

It is glaring that you are on a dreamland mission.Please i have cousins in the universities and would not want you to taint them with your soiled bloody hands!! Am sure you were a born cultist and only want now to increase your rank by inventing newer ways to kill and maim,silly.

Please go whack off to a T.B. Joshua sermon


martinosi:

MY FRIEND U  NEED TO STOP ALL THESE GRAND ILLUSIONS,
STOP ALL THIS FOOLISH TALK,

WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS BAN FRATS & SOROTITIES IN 9JA UNI'S!!!

U NEED TO WAKE UP FROM your FOOLISH SLUMBER,

WHEN U FINISH FROM your USA UNI's

go and get a proper gig(Job) and learn something worthwhile, !!
So when I'm done with my studies, I should remain here and get a job? who'll take a first step in improving Nigeria? I bring up an IDEA and you cant even criticize it sensibly and attack me instead,  SMH


VALIDATOR:

^^^
It is an extremely dangerous idea. Most of the current frats now started on a "noble" mission but there is always at least a Judas is every gathering.
Frats are easier to start up than manage and I see absolutely no need for them in our campuses. You dissolving offending frats means you will be accused of bias and they will then start operating in the dark and that is Back to square one.
Soyinka's Pirates wasn't registered to any authorities, it was just a band of him, his friends and some other students gathering together for a cause that would be later diverted when the original members left. Fo this idea, I plan that frats would be registered to the uni, and they would engage in comm service, bring positive plans and ideas to the university government etc
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Nobody: 5:52pm On Sep 23, 2010
timmy2409:

I'm assuming all this uproar because I called it a 'frat'. what if i called it a club or a scholars society? would you accept it?
I said it would recruit students of relatively high intelligence, academic standings and potential. I would think that would be inspiring to lazy students to put more effort into their studies
Now that is a dangerously psychopathic and sociopathic  idea. In essence attempting to encourage every undergraduate to be a cultist.
You really do need to get a proper job of work and stop these dangerous fantasies.
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by kokoye(m): 6:09pm On Sep 23, 2010
timmy2409:

I said it would recruit students of relatively high intelligence, academic standings and potential. I would think that would be inspiring to lazy students to put more effort into their studies

Not really anymore. Back way back then.

There is too much poverty around now. That affects everything, ven the ability to think right.

How many people in Nigeria put more effort into their studies now, when the fun-loving but connected ones are those getting the jobs?
Re: Reinvent Fraternities In Nigerian Universities? by Nobody: 6:14pm On Sep 23, 2010
^^ I am not sure what you are on about. Tell me when recruiting so-called scholars into cults has ever been a good idea. Who is a scholar by the way?
Its total nonsense. There are already a lot of socially responsible clubs and societies that the decent students can get involved in.

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