chinedumo:

Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings
John 8:3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

 

We know the devil himself quotes scriptures and uses same for his own ends. Again I ask on what authority are you basing your position??
The truth is we still have laws in Nigeria that expressly deal wih these kinds of crimes so anyone accused of faggotry simply has to face justice. It is not for us as individuals to say that the law should not be applied.
In fact what are you on about?? Repentance and Forgiveness is an entirely personal matter and cannot be used by a criminal accused as a means of escaping  justice.
Having said that it is up to the pastor himself to repent of his crimes and seek forgiveness from his victims and God. But he cannot use that to escape justice.

But wait a minute please, how come they called this man a pastor?
There is no place they ever mentioned the church Adisa is leading as a Pastor.
I think they only out to soil the name of pastors here.

Poster, please adjust this subject.

Echidime:

Did the minors complain to their parents that they were having sex with the pastor? If not that means they too were enjoying it. is part of democracy,freedom of choice,either you bleep kitty or you bleep backside

Lord have mercy.
Why do you think children deserve to be protected? Confused slowpoke.

Uyi Iredia:

i ain't pro-gay, definitely not homophobic >>> but a bit ambivalent about being called anti-gay

Well you need to be brave enough to speak up either for or against this perversion. If you are sympathetic to child molesters and perverts then out with it.

Uyi Iredia:


but seriously >>> burning someone caught bursting a child >>> as Jesus said >>> if u've not sinned >>> by all means
cast the first stone

I would in fact support any punishment the law prescribes to be meted out to faggotts and it is much more outrageous than petty theft which also attracts jungle justice. I hope in fact you would outraged against all forms of jungle justice against an accused person, no matter the gravity of the crime.

oisehumen:

But wait a minute please, how come they called this man a pastor?  
There is no place they ever mentioned the church Adisa is leading as a Pastor.
I think they only out to soil the name of pastors here.

Poster, please adjust this subject.

Is this the first time a pastor's doing something like this or havent we heard of underground juju in churches?
THe guy's just trying to make his way like many of the renowned pastors.

@ post, he deserves d beating he got which i believe is more about the juju intent than his lifestyle.

Uyi Iredia:

i had a similar experience too >>> i was in K.C >>> 9 years at that time >>> this guy (a year my senior) called me to one dark corner to
send me an 'errand'   >>>   i no go give details >>> but suffice to say no anal bursting occured  phew   was i lucky >>> others weren't  
this guy thretened to kill me if i told anyone   >>> seriously i couldn't have cared less >>> luckily i had a confidante in my late mom (of blessed memory)   and i told her >>> she took up the case >>> i dunno what his parents did but when a meeting was called over the issue the guy looked sober >>> talkless of the beating my school father & his mates (in JSS 3 gave him) >>> do the maths & u wonder how kids pick up things like this at such age >>> probably the pastor had devloped the habit in his teens & unforunately not caught

personally >>> i think indecency is a crux in the matter

for the pastor >>>  u reap what u sow

NOTE FOR silly PEOPLE >>> this na true story

pick up homosexuality ke? Noooooo it's in the genes and you cannot help it

snowdrops:

Stop disgracing your old age and have a proper debate hear. Dont twist issues. Nobody advocates jungle justice. Even Osama Bin Ladin should be made to pass through the proper channels of the law.

You should for ones remove the gay issue here, as see it as someone who despoiled minors. Imagine if those were your sons, nephews, etc. Show some human feelings for once.

That is another issue with the pro-faggott lobby in this thread . Seemingly thay are hiding their sympathy for the pastor behind their expressions of outrage against the mob action.
Well for the record I have never  advocated for a criminal accused  to face jungle justice since there are laws to take care of such people.

@ deols

What are talking about sef?
That pastors or imams get involved in acts u mentioned does not make Adisa a pastor.

He is not a pastor, that's my point.
The topic is misleading.

deols:

@ post, he deserves d beating he got which i believe is more about the juju intent than his lifestyle.

True that. Although it is fair to say that the very nature of his satanic activities shows that the pastor is seriously afflicted.
These types of satanic priests are in fact notorious for their sexual misconduct, perversions, and occultic practices in Nigeria. Definitely a deliverance case.

@ tensor 777 >>> lemme educate u on my ambivalence  >>> its simple, really

i don't prescribe violence of any sorts againt a perrson for being gay >>> rather a persuasion a(or preaching) >>> against the practice_much like the way, Craig Eastmond of the Bleep Church (google it b4 making conclusions) tackles the scourge of porn in the U.S >>>

the problem is despite my 'softness' >>> pro-gays (the ones i've met one online discussion forums) >>> still brand me as homophobic & anti gay

i am against the gayness & not the person doing it >>> either ways >>> the tendency is u're branded as anti-gay worse yet homophobic

on my second comment >>> even in the West, the guy would be charged GLAAD would condemn his act >>> but burning (without trial   ) >>> BARBARIC

tensor777:

We know the devil himself quotes scriptures and uses same for his own ends. Again I ask on what authority are you basing your position??
The truth is we still have laws in Nigeria that expressly deal wih these kinds of crimes so anyone accused of faggotry simply has to face justice. It is not for us as individuals to say that the law should not be applied.
In fact what are you on about?? Repentance and Forgiveness is an entirely personal matter and cannot be used by a criminal accused as a means of escaping  justice.
Having said that it is up to the pastor himself to repent of his crimes and seek forgiveness from his victims and God. But he cannot use that to escape justice.

[b]Matthew 9:13"But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." ,

Hosea 6:6For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

Satan recites scripture
but i am quoting a scripture that is recited by Christ himself
African culture in not higher than the word of GOD
Homosexuality is not a western culture
Homosexuality existed in Sodom and Gomorrah

Explain
what u mean by what authority i have to question the grievance of sin?

let me ask u this>>by what authority do u decide the grievance of the sin of homosexuality?

Eternity in lake of fire is not destined alone for homosexuals but
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.[/b]

I read some people saying homosexuality is foreign to Africa. How wrong !!!
How many thousands of Nigerians are living in denial of their sexuality today?

The issue in this thread is not about homosexuality. Its about child abuse.  Get that straight before spewing homophobic rage all over the place.

@ IBEXY >>> if u read my little story >>> u'll see how obvious homosexual tendencies (as well as heterosexual_to be politically correct) >>> is involved in issues like this & how it's inevitable that >>> the gay debate >>> rears it's ugly head, yet again

@ Shinatu >>>

pick up homosexuality ke? Noooooo it's in the genes and you cannot help it

see me see wahala ooo !!! >>> & yet transgenders can choose their sex >>> making 'male' pregnancy a 'reality'_technically it's still a female

@ tensor 777 >>> i was molested >>> & i'm definitely not sympathetic towards molesters >>> asi pointed out, in my case, that such molesting could occur as a habit at a young age (teen years to be precise) it'll degenerate >>> in such cases >>> i can understand the kind parental flogging >>> dayokanu talked about

Is not surprising that some people can secretly or facelessly support homosexuality.
What is the world turning into?

I dare those people to come out openly

snowdrops:

Stop disgracing your old age and have a proper debate hear. Dont twist issues. Nobody advocates jungle justice. Even Osama Bin Ladin should be made to pass through the proper channels of the law.

You should for ones remove the gay issue here, as see it as someone who despoiled minors. Imagine if those were your sons, nephews, etc. Show some human feelings for once.

Please read my original post again. Or maybe I should break it down for you.

a) The alleged rape victim is 17 years old. The legal age of consent in Nigeria is 16.
b) There is no suggestion of violence, the boy did not raise an alarm during or after the incident. According to the boy's own testimony,  Mr. Gay Pastor politely asked him to lie down, and he did.
c) The difference in their ages is only 4 years.

Given the above facts, the following conclusions can be drawn:
1. The "gay pastor" is not a pedophile at least not according to the legal definition in this country.
2. It is certainly not clear that anybody was raped. It wasn't statutory r@pe (pls see point 1 above), and there was very little to suggest force, fear or deceit was involved. Surely any reasonable person would agree that this case warrants further investigation rather than the summary castration and execution by mob beating that you're advocating.
3. My point about the boy possibly cooking up the story still stands. Its very common in cases of alleged rape (both gay and straight) for victims to later admit to lying for one reason or the other. And its easy to lie in front of an angry mob that hates gays when you're a gay yourself.

But don't mind me with all this my useless "thinking" about things. Let's do it your way, lets go with our gut feeling and just kill the guy.

chinedumo:

Explain
what u mean by what authority i have to question the grievance of sin?

let me ask u this>>by what authority do u decide the grievance of the sin of homosexuality?

Eternity in lake of fire is not destined alone for homosexuals but
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You do need to be more coherent when you make your points. Is anyone doubting that everyone would face divine judgement  and justice one way or another??
Why also go off on a tangent saying faggottry is not Western culture but existed in biblical times. And so what?? You think that changes my view on the matter?
Nevertheless you have no right whatsoever to challenge anyone here for being outraged at this particular sin. If we feel its more abominable than stealing what exactly is that to you?
Who are you really to try and control peoples outrage against sin??

@ Evil Brain >>> part of what i concede with in your argument is that the 'victim' might have been gay himself >>> my personal experience rubber-stamps the possibility of such >>> proper investigation & trial >>> not jungle justice >>> PLEASE !!!!!!

@ osiehumen >>> aaaahhhh !!!!!!! >>> u never hear tori of lesbies in LAG >>> my juniour sister herself, told my immediate family, of lesbians in her secondary school >>> my on tori dey >>> google Rev Femi Macaulay >>> & prepare to get  wowwed  >>> even C.U, though b4 i got admission
expelled guys involved >>> gay dey here (for naija) >>> don't be decieved

@Uyi

I know there are gays and lesbians in Naija.
But if they think what they are doing right is and accepted, let them come out openly.

ruba_slipa:

Really, you must be very young, or extremely old. Try to get your facts straight.

Sexual offences are very personal, but there are far more heinous. In fact, burning someone to death that you yourself are suggesting, is exactly an example of a more heinous crime than this case.

'It is an offence against God, man and morality'

Nonsense. Globally, different gods, and different men have different views on homosexuality (it is clear that you think [b]that [/b]is the man's real offence - you don't really care about the young boys). The only morality you can guarantee is your own, also, and judging by your attitude, that ain't much.

'They should be shown no mercy and must be punished to the very last letter of the law.'

Contradictory statement in one sentence. Very few countries would impose death sentence for this offence, sorry.

You have a point about the high recidivism rate of sexual predators, but again, I doubt whether you have ever complained about the high rate of male-female despoil in Naija, and how often men get away with that. Why haven't you? Anyway, good luck with trying to reform gay men. They aren't all predators. It's a 'sin' you would be busy doing in Europe or the US, if you were a privileged Nigerian, like all the rest of the gay Naijas on the 'DL'. It's the poor who get caught at what many do.

As for 'unafrican', is Africa a country? Only one culture? Your attitude reminds me of Naija government officials back in the 90s, who did not want to set up a mobile phone network and let people communicate. They were making statements about GSM then like, 'it causes problems', 'it is not for ordinary people', and 'it is unafrican'. Laughable nonsense.

If I were you, I wouldn't stand by that statement - it makes you look worse.

@ ruba slipa
Are you gay ?
really nothing personal, just asking based on your numerous replies on this thread
e.g there is nothing evil about homosexuality  (no offence )

Uyi Iredia:

@ Shinatu >>>
see me see wahala ooo !!! >>> & yet transgenders can choose their sex >>> making 'male' pregnancy a 'reality'_technically it's still a female
@ tensor 777 >>> i was molested >>> & i'm definitely not sympathetic towards molesters >>> asi pointed out, in my case, that such molesting could occur as a habit at a young age (teen years to be precise) it'll degenerate >>> in such cases >>> i can understand the kind parental flogging >>> dayokanu talked about

Well the habit occurs as a result of spiritual affliction and not because its in the genes as some people here have been brainwashed into believing.
Not surprising really that this your molester was just into puberty as this is the age which these sorts of affliction starts.
However it is  still up to the pervert to seek treatment and counselling for his affliction and not to start molesting others.

@ osiehumen i pointed out one that has in my earlier post >>> i'm sure u are aware of a gay church in Lagos >>> i neva new till i stumbled accross it on You-tube

Wow, some terrible points being made here with no logic. Some backward people don't want to face reality, either.

oisehumen says the guy can't be a pastor - because he doesn't like what the guy did. Maybe he actually is a pastor, maybe not, but the reporter says he was. oisehumen isn't giving us any reasons why not.

Tensor777 says he has 'never  advocated for a criminal accused  to face jungle justice since there are laws to take care of such people'
But earlier he has already said 'I would in fact support any punishment the law prescribes to be meted out to faggotts and it is much more outrageous than petty theft which also attracts jungle justice.'

Any punishment? Obviously one worse than 'petty theft jungle justice'?

Earlier still, the same Tensor777
'The guy just de form as if faggotry is not a death penalty offence in the bible.
Reply'
So maybe then the death penalty is what Tensor thinks is the correct punishment,  not so different from jungle justice!

Earlier still:
'Really who cares about his so-called sexual orientation?? Angry The fact is that he is a pervert and a child molester who must be severely dealt with.''

Please don't lie, it is his sexual orientation that is your main problem, otherwise, he is a child molester, not a pervert.

'Who are you really to try and control peoples outrage against sin??'
Tensor, you need to go and stand in a corner and be outraged by yourself. Homosexuality not a sin just because you say so.  I always keep in mind that being gay is a big strain in 9ja.


oisehumen again:
Sure, homosexuality is both sin and alien to Africa.

Not a contradiction, but rather a nonsense statement. You mean it is a sin in your personal view. As for the whole of Africa, na you get am? Please try to be realistic. There is plenty of homosexuality in Nigeria, let alone Africa.

Alien? Really? Obviously, you did not attend secondary school. Even if you did not board, you couldn't miss it. It is not alien at all, it is just that many of the cultures across Africa frown on it.

Finally, Tensor, 21 years old is not 'just into puberty', it's no wonder your attitudes are so wack.

Yes, Evil Brain is absolutely right - there has been no mention of violence in the case - apart from by local thugs. Maybe no offence occurred at all. There may well be more than one gay man involved here. In many of these Naija sex/gay scandals, it's when people fall out, or jealousy enters in, that the events first come to light, and everyone starts lying about the truth of the matter.

No o.b., not gay, just
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[li]if you read history, you see that years ago, all these bad things were said about women who tried to get jobs outside their home. -> perambulating about = wh0res, all of them! It is not our culture, it's not natural, it's white people's idea, flog them outside, etc etc.
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oisehumen:

@Uyi

I know there are gays and lesbians in Naija.
But if they think what they are doing right is and accepted, let them come out openly.

Ask yourself how many of these afflicted people have the courage to tell their parents they are faggotts, even in the West.
In fact their folks are, most times the last to know.

IBEXY:

There goes another confused theorist trying to bamboozle us with too much grammar. So "boys" in your idea means, apart from "pre-teen males", matured men as well. Are you a lawyer? The pastor probably needs your service to get him out of this one. 

Are you on drugs or are you mad?

Na who born this maga!

I gave you a theory and you have the moronic guts to challenge it? Who the f are you?

Foool, now show me how you intepreted my post to mean matured men can be called boys as well.

I wait.

You just volunteered your daft arse for intellectual flogging.

@ Ruba_slipa

U make me laugh in Italian.
Which of the religions do u belong? Tell me the religion that supports it. Whether some pastors are gays or not, it does not make it right before God.

U don't need to tell anybody that u are gay. Why not come out openly and proclaim it to your friends, family members and society generally?

ruba_slipa:

Wow, what a lot of headless chickens and internet gangstas!

Hi Sagamental, how are you? Still filling your unemployed time by spraying your homophobic hatred around, and insulting people who have the cheek to express an opinion? You and you others here, like ~Bluetooth, phreakabit, MsTom and chucz are hypocrites. If the pastor was your brother, wouldn't you say that what they did to him was enough? Why should he be killed? Why is there never any thread where gay issues are mentioned, where you unrealistic people don't start popping up and demanding death? Some people are gay, deal with it, it ain't gonna change. Modernity is going to pass you all by, if you try to block it, you will get squashed, that's what always happens.

The issue here is the man abusing a position of trust over young persons.

Quote from: Sagamite on Today at 12:29:47 PM
They should have poured petrol on him to finish him off.


Aren't you on your last warning yet? You really need to be careful. If someone like Seun ever clicked https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=profile;u=200060;sa=showPosts and reviewed some of your famous 'moronic', , he would probably decide that you are just a sick troll that lives to abuse other people,  then you would have to re-register, because he would bounce your backside out of this forum as fast as a low-flying okada driver that has just missed road into the gutter. He would note, quite quickly, that you detract from the site rather than adding to it, and this place would be a better, more polite and more attractive place without you. Like the world, actually. I say that, having seen many of the things you've said unnecessarily to other posters online.

All you do is squat online and attempt to intimidate others who differ from you by making uncouth statements. Your past posts are clear. Try progressing the argument in just one thread for a change.

The situation is clear. There is no case for capital punishment here (at least not in the eyes of the sane). It's likely the man used fake ritual behaviour and 'prayer' to take advantage of relatively young and innocent teenagers. The authorities should make sure he can't do that again. Too many of you commenters would want him burnt to death even if he was discovered with another man of his age. After all, you wouldn't be saying he should be killed for having sex with a 17-yr old girl, something which some of you probably did when you were 21 years old (aside from Sagamental, ). Hypocrites.

Faggoti retard, you are back.

You ran the last time I was about to cut and dice you.

So you are back to defend your fellow gay.

Fooool, you are still living in your deluded world that faggotism will be accepted in Nigeria?

We will feed you your poo like he was fed.

dude should be locked up for 20 years.

Uyi wears his helmet & dives for cover in a nearby trench >>>> beware !!! Sagamite don come   , let the insults begin

@ruba slipa
No I said the accused should face the criminal justice system and not jungle justice. Presently the penalty for such a crime is 21 years imprisonment.
Having said that in some Asian countries the penalty is execution by stoning. Perhaps the lawmakers should consider upgrading the crime to a capital offence.

Finally, most spiritual  inductions into faggottry and other perversions do occur at puberty. However we don't know when this particular satanic priest started molesting kids.

tensor777:

This Sagamite self. What exactly are you on about. This is about a man commiting gross indecency with minors and you are harping on about biological maturity??

I am trying to clarify what is paedophilia.

The guy is more of a deviant gay than a paedo.

Having sexual intercourse with a 17 year old, might be against the law but is not termed as real paedophilia even by the worst psychiatrist.

Even more less so if it is done by a 21 year old.

My point is, he is more of a gay than a paedo even if you can call it paedophilia.

Abeg don't let me give you lecture that is reserved for the "who born the maga" IBEXY.

tunnytox:

so you support the idea of jungle justice? This man deserved to be punished according to the law but burning him alive is definitely a barbaric act that no sane person should advocate for, participate in or justify it for any reason.

I don't support the idea of jungle justice but I can't hide the satisfaction and delight I get when gays like ruba_slipa are fed their poo through jungle justice.

Sagamite:

I am trying to clarify what is paedophilia.
The guy is more of a deviant gay than a paedo.
Having sexual intercourse with a 17 year old, might be against the law but is not termed as real paedophilia even by the worst psychologist.
Less if it is done by a 21 year old.
My point is, he is more of a gay than a paedo even if you can call it paedophilia.
Abeg don't let me give you lecture that is reserve for the "who born the maga" IBEXY.

I get what you're saying. My only grouse is with  the bolded in the sense that the victim is a male, not female  and as such Nigerian criminal law classifies such an act as "having unlawful carnal knowledge" not as having sexual intercourse.