budaatum:

Buda to Dion
Stupid people 'believe'. And they do so because they lack evidence. Smart and intelligent people would rather know.

HenryDion:


You must be very confused lol..

You know nothing Buda, you are a mere believer. That is the membrane of everything you know and believe in.

It is evident to all that everything you think you know was doctored by a long aged book that has long served its purpose of mass control.

What do you really know? I'm curious here lol..

What you know, how can you prove it to be an objective truth and not from a delusional mind?

How can you even intertwine KNOWING with BELIEVE?

To believe, you don't need to know.

To believe, you don't need any sort of evidence.

Do i need to define BELIEVE in this context?

"Blessed are those who believe without seeing"

And seeing in here refers to evidence or knowing.. In other words, forsake evidence and KNOWING, and follow blindly.

Faith strives on believe, atheism strives on FACT and KNOWING.

I choose fact.

So buda, what do you KNOW?

budaatum:
Actually, I don't think you understood what you've responded to! Here it is again. This time, note how the "believe" and the "know" are not in the same sentence as you alleged.

HenryDion:


I asked a question which you are yet to answer.

What is that which you KNOW?

Let's start from there.

budaatum:

I answered you!

I know that you believe stuff you make up inside your head and refuse to check the evidence. I also know today is Wednesday, June 12, 2019.

HenryDion:

I have not been online for a long time now.. Sorry for the late reply.

Lemme address the quoted..

HenryDion:

I don't believe stuff I made up in my head. I simply refused to believe in the existence of a fairy daddy for lack of substantial evidence. If you can do that, i won't be an atheist anymore.

HenryDion:
Listen, I'm not dogmatic. I'm open minded and ready to become a theist provided you are able to prove the existence of God. So far, you have done a very poor job at that.

HenryDion:
Now, what is it that you know, that really gave you the conviction that God exist? I want to KNOW that which you KNOW, that which made you believe in Gods existence. Maybe then, i might believe in him too.

HenryDion:
Let's not make this hard!

budaatum:

Welcome back.


You do believe stuff you make up in your head. Go back and read some of the unevidenced statements you made up above. Or don't you believe them? A clear example of you making things up in your head is your above, "if you can do that".

God strike buda if buda did not pray to the contrary!

I don't agree that your mind is open. If you have managed to misunderstand what I've written so far then even your eyes are not open not to talk of your mind. And I think you are very dogmatic. You dogmatically hold on to the cooked up idea in your head that I want to turn you into a theist and I am poor at proving the existence of God to you when the truth is I have never tried to prove the existence of God to you and even prayed you remain an atheist.


You do not want to know anything. You just want to believe HenryDion, you say so above, and what did I say about "believe"?


You can not know what I know HenryDion. It is too hard for you to learn at the moment. When you read what I write instead of believing stuff you make up in your head call me.

_{Johnydon22 you might see why I laugh here.}

HenryDion:

Can you please quote the so called "believe that i must have spewed here? Thanks.

HenryDion:

Seems this argument have actually lost its base. You are a theist, I'm an atheist. The bone of contention here should be providing evidence, since the lack of it is what made me an atheist.

HenryDion:
Not to batter around about what i have made up, when in fact i haven't made up anything but rather, seek for the REASON behind your belief.

HenryDion:
If you keep beating around the bush without having something reasonable to say pertaining to why you believe in what you believe, then I will have no choice but leave you to your delusion.

budaatum:

I have pointed it out to you more than a couple of times already. Go do work and see below


So, because I am a theist and you an atheist there's automatically a bone of contention? Are you contending with me because I have not automatically contended any bones except your accusation that I believe ignoring all the evidence.


You made up that I contended a bone
You made up that I am poor
You made up that I tried to make you a theist
You made up that I believe despite all the evidence to the contrary and then you seek from me the reason for the belief that you made up and put behind me when it is I, HenryDion, who should ask you for the reason for the belief that you made up and put behind me.


There you go again making up that I beleive then asking me to provide evidence for what you made up when the evidence that you made it up is right in front of you but your desire to believe stops you from seeing what you made up and put behind me.

Irony is you HenryDion.

HenryDion:


Whatever conclusion I arrived at is definitely deduced from our little battering here. Won't have known these if I haven't engaged you. So, it isn't a "believe" but rather, a fact after a thorough analysis of your comments on this thread.

I still hold that you believe in ridiculousness despite lack of evidence, and the contrary evidence. To prove me wrong, simply buttress me by disclosing the evidence that upholds your "believe".

Sadly, you can't do that either but rather, keep exhibiting your ignorance all over the thread and making yourself look dumb.

You say there is no need for a bone of contention? Then what was your intention for quoting me in the first place?

I'm here to learn from theists and atheists alike. That is only possible when we engage with a focal point, not beat around the bush.

I love to repeat, I'm damn open minded. But if your aim is to come and spill how arrogant you are, then I can no longer entertain you.

Peace brother!

hakeem4:
Well your hypothesis is quiet funny and it has been refuted since the mid 19th century by Darwin and Wallace.

1) are you saying if Man was created in the image of god then chimps and other apes are created in the image of god because we are closely related. I read one funny quote saying if we were created in the image of god why aren’t we invisible? .

2) so what was the reason why the all intelligent designer created dangerous organisms like viruses and bacteria?

3) so because we do not know how consciousness evolved so it’s god just be intellectually honest for once and say you do not know.

Stop citing books written by “bronze age peasants who didn’t know the earth orbits the sun” - krauss.

HenryDion:
Your biggest flaw was those lame biblical quotations used to depict the nature of God and man's purpose on earth. Why did you ignore the Quran, Torah, Bayble, Tripitakas or other spiritual books out there?

If you're of the notion that God exists? What proof do you have? For something to be accepted as BEING, it is when it has been proven beyond every reasonable doubt.

If you say particle A exist, the burden of proof lies on you the proposer. We are merely open to analyze your evidence, test it and then conclude.

So far, no substantial evidence whatsoever to support Gods exist and as thus, he remains inexistent.

You keep making mention of intelligent design. Like really?

If we are to go by that logic, then who created God? If God can self exist, why then do you ignore the possibility of man being a self-existing organism?

Mehn, too many inconsistencies

budaatum:

Welcome back.


You do believe stuff you make up in your head. Go back and read some of the unevidenced statements you made up above. Or don't you believe them? A clear example of you making things up in your head is your above, "if you can do that".

God strike buda if buda did not pray to the contrary!


I don't agree that your mind is open. If you have managed to misunderstand what I've written so far then even your eyes are not open not to talk of your mind. And I think you are very dogmatic. You dogmatically hold on to the cooked up idea in your head that I want to turn you into a theist and I am poor at proving the existence of God to you when the truth is I have never tried to prove the existence of God to you and even prayed you remain an atheist.


You do not want to know anything. You just want to believe HenryDion, you say so above, and what did I say about "believe"?


You can not know what I know HenryDion. It is too hard for you to learn at the moment. When you read what I write instead of believing stuff you make up in your head call me.

_{Johnydon22 you might see why I laugh here.}

HenryDion:


Whatever conclusion I arrived at is definitely deduced from our little battering here. Won't have known these if I haven't engaged you. So, it isn't a "believe" but rather, a fact after a thorough analysis of your comments on this thread.

I still hold that you believe in ridiculousness despite lack of evidence, and the contrary evidence. To prove me wrong, simply buttress me by disclosing the evidence that upholds your "believe".

Sadly, you can't do that either but rather, keep exhibiting your ignorance all over the thread and making yourself look dumb.

You say there is no need for a bone of contention? Then what was your intention for quoting me in the first place?

I'm here to learn from theists and atheists alike. That is only possible when we engage with a focal point, not beat around the bush.

I love to repeat, I'm damn open minded. But if your aim is to come and spill how arrogant you are, then I can no longer entertain you.

Peace brother!

HenryDion:


You must be very confused lol..

You know nothing Buda, you are a mere believer. That is the membrane of everything you know and believe in.

It is evident to all that everything you think you know was doctored by a long aged book that has long served its purpose of mass control.

What do you really know? I'm curious here lol..

What you know, how can you prove it to be an objective truth and not from a delusional mind?

How can you even intertwine KNOWING with BELIEVE?

To believe, you don't need to know.

To believe, you don't need any sort of evidence.

Do i need to define BELIEVE in this context?

"Blessed are those who believe without seeing"

And seeing in here refers to evidence or knowing.. In other words, forsake evidence and KNOWING, and follow blindly.

Faith strives on believe, atheism strives on FACT and KNOWING.

I choose fact.

So buda, what do you KNOW?

budaatum:
HenryDion. Below is what you made up in your head.

johnydon22:
Budaa it is ok na. Henry doesn't get it. Lol

budaatum:

I know. But he did say his mind is open so let me spit on mud and rub it in his blind mind until he does get it. Then will you too see how one makes people see the immaterial that they refuse to see with their very tiny minds and closed eyes.

I swear to you that sometimes, the way one has to be is enough to make one not bother showing some people anything!

johnydon22:


Trouble

Atheist on here are quite as close minded and dogmatic as the religious people they accuse of same behavior.

Here, people don't read comments or arguments to understand, consider the point, they just read to throw back a reply and then Win

Atheism 1 - 0 theism
Atheism 0 - 1theism

Kinda

johnydon22:


Trouble

Atheist on here are quite as close minded and dogmatic as the religious people they accuse of same behavior.

Here, people don't read comments or arguments to understand, consider the point, they just read to throw back a reply and then Win

Atheism 1 - 0 theism
Atheism 0 - 1theism

Kinda

budaatum:

It is the putting people in little boxes that nauseates me. You say one thing and they hear the opposite of what you said and they then tell you to defend what they made up in their own head and claim you said! How can anyone take half a look at what one says and stick a label on one?

Lets see them win while funnily laying a trail for them to go back to and reflect and evolve however long they may try to cover their eyes and not perceive their faux pas.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM8JhvfoqdA

Martinez19:
Lol.

johnydon22:


Trouble

Atheist on here are quite as close minded and dogmatic as the religious people they accuse of same behavior.

Here, people don't read comments or arguments to understand, consider the point, they just read to throw back a reply and then Win
There is no where you don't find closeminded people,so you spotting a few atheists like that is just a deviation from the norm. Most atheists on NL weren't born atheists,after spending decades in the claws of religion and they finally walk out of the shackles of religion do you think it is easy to unlearned all the gibberish they have learnt from religion overnight? I embraced atheism last year and am in my twenties, so how can I easily be open minded so quickly when I have been close minded for a decade?I find myself backslidden to the mud I came out of often time s.

There are dozens of theist monikers that are dumb as Bleep, you honestly can't say the dumb atheists outnumbers the dumb Christian's...did you see the thread of a guy that claimed the hotness of his phone was a sign from God on Sunday?


Atheism 1 - 0 theism
Atheism 0 - 1theism

Kinda

budaatum:

You de Na beans na

Martinez19:
Hope you never finish your beans?

budaatum:

Get rid of your "atheistic stance"? Get rid of the stance that makes you depend on reality and the objective?

God, please do not let HenryDion throw the baby away with the bath water!

Martinez19:
Are there regular hattrick heroes as well?

The close mindedness of atheists when it comes to atheism vs religion arguments is difficult to spot because the position that the existence of religious gods have no basis in reality can't be refuted and constantly maintaining this position is logical. Whether they are being close minded or honest and thoughtful isn't certain because their position and the maintenance of it are both logical.

We can spot out close minded atheists when the discussion drifts away from religion to philosophical issues, political issues and others. Just my take. Atheists can be as gullible as religious folks as well.

johnydon22:


Actually No, atheists can just be as close minded on matters regarding God, religion or theology and they often.

This your post actually affirms that close-minded stance.

budaatum:

Eh no de ever finish o. Not until OtemAtum said.

We never conclude 19 with our beans. Answer this simple one.

Is buda beans HenryDion beans?

Martinez19:
Depends on what they call beans.

Martinez19:
Care to explain?

johnydon22:
Do you think arguments for God can be logical?

budaatum:


Depends on what? You chicken