Reverend:

The existence of Yahweh is as impossible as the existence of cubic spheres or invisible pink unicorns.

nferyn:

This is incorrect, the existence of Yahweh is logically impossible, just as cubic spheres are logically impossible. The existence of Invisible pink unicorns on the other hand has a probability of non zero and they are thus more likely to exist than Yahweh.

freelance:

"A little one shall become a thousand and a small one a strong nation. I the LORD will hasten it in his time." Isaiah 60:22

BEAUTIFUL ANALOGY!

"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and
untrimmed beards, like that man outside."

"Ah, but barbers DO exist! " answered the barber. "What happens, is,people do not come to me."

"Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist!
What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him.

That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

nferyn:

This is incorrect, the existence of Yahweh is logically impossible, just as cubic spheres are logically impossible. The existence of Invisible pink unicorns on the other hand has a probability of non zero and they are thus more likely to exist than Yahweh.

davidylan:

Those of us who have felt His power know better.

ricadelide:

I asked you someplace else what your reasons for the 'logical impossibility' of Yahweh are, and you've not responded. I'd be willing to address the issues you raise later on. So do holla.
Cheers.

davidylan:

an agglomeration of those whose consciences prick them daily and have to assure themselves

and not us that indeed God does not exist.

Those of us who have felt His power know better.

zuluman:

@ All who doubt the existence of God or assert that there is no God

First off, please read & UNDERSTAND the bible from the first page to the last page before you make conclusions. If you have read the bible completely, and you still assert that there is no God - then I am willing to help in explaining the bible to you so that you can UNDERSTAND that God truly exists and he is on the throne. Because I know from experience that some people need good tuition from a good tutor before they can understand - BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND it's only GOD that gives people the priviledge to understand his word in the bible.

zuluman:

Secondly, many people claim that there is no God because of the pains of this world, such as sickness, suicides etc,
BUT I want you to understand one thing I'm about to point out:
In the bible, Genesis 25:23, Exodus 9:16, Romans 9:12-23, God said that he choses whom he would have mercy on. (For those of you with bible please refer to the bible).

zuluman:

It is just like the case of a potter who molds clay pots. The potter can CHOSE to make one clay pot to be very good and he can CHOSE to make another pot scrappy. The clay pot has no power to protest its design against its creator! That is the analogy for humans versus God.

zuluman:

Likewise, we humans are like clay pots and God is like the potter! This analogy was pointed out by Malachi who is a prophet of God. This settles those who claim God's non-existence becuase of irregularites in life.

zuluman:

Thirdly, God has the power to destroy the body and the soul.

zuluman:

All you that say God doesn't exist, when you have finished your time on earth, where do you think you are going?

zuluman:

I would love to hear your reply please. You should really be scared o. After your time on earth where do you think you are going? Please ask yourself! Isn't it scary?

zuluman:

You better believe in God. there is a heaven for those who believe in God and there is a hell for the children of perdition. Hell is not a place I would like anyone from this forum to be. Hell is nasty.

zuluman:

In the book of Mark (New testament) it was mentioned that in hell, the fire never burns out and the worms there never die. Isn't that scary enough to make you believe in God? Please change your life by accepting God's existence and ask for forgiveness.

zuluman:

Finally, God is perfect! No arguments please.

zuluman:

If you are questioning the perfection of God based on the fact that people are born with illness and all deformations then read my second paragraph. Also bear in mind that God also mentioned that he punishes the sins of people up until the 3rd and 4th generations of the actual sinner! God said that he is the "I am" - God choses whom to have mercy on. A person that choses to do something cannot be labelled as imperfect can they?

zuluman:

I know life may be crazy but God sees everything. If there is something you are going through, you can email me on stongzulu@yahoo.com, I would join you in prayer for a divine miracle in your life. God is able to do much more than you can ever ask for, please bear this in mind.

zuluman:

Say this prayer:

God, I have come to you today, please forgive me of my sins. Let your glory shine in my life. Amen.

OK, I have read the Bible completely (although it's been a while) and I have hardly ever read such a hermetic contradictory piece of literature. I'm really not into badly written fiction. What exactly do you plan to tutor?

You mean all the babies and young children that suffer really are the choice of God? What a wicked character that God must be to make newborn babies suffer such horrible faiths.

Obviously clay has got free will that enables it to choose another path in life as to avoid a horrible faith or hasn't it? But that would defeat your argument now, wouldn't it? Or maybe humans don't have any free will at all.

I'm going to decompose after the doctors have harvested all still useful organs from my body. Basically, I'm not going anywhere, as I, as an entity, will have ceased to exist.

Fear, the ultimate weapon in the apologetic's arsenal. Your mental abuse doesn't stick to us well grounded adults. Unfortunately, hardly anybody stops you people to strike fear in the hearts of the innocent children. If the same tactics were used for anything else but religious indoctrination, we would label it child abuse. Sadly enough few people see religious indoctrination for what it really is.

Has anyone ever detected that famous hell? Any evidence for it's existence?

Would I even want to worship such an unpleasant, mysogenic, capricious and cruel character? Maybe you could, I definitely wouldn't

Can you explain to me the concept of sin? I just don't understand

zuluman:

OK, I have read the Bible completely (although it's been a while) and I have hardly ever read such a hermetic contradictory piece of literature. I'm really not into badly written fiction. What exactly do you plan to tutor?

Sadly, you don't seem to understand the bible yet.

zuluman:

Remember I said that it is God that gives people the priviledge to UNDERSTAND his Word in the bible.

zuluman:

I really don't blame you for doubting God's existence - Even Thomas (a disciple of Jesus Christ) doubted, but Jesus revealed himself in full. My prayer for you, is that God should reveal himself to you.

zuluman:

Then you would be challenging anyone that says God doesn't exist, just like I am challenging you and praying for you.

zuluman:

In the bible, it is mentioned that "it is not by power or by might, but by the spirit sayeth the Lord" Using your power to read the bible doesn't guarantee that you would understand the bible. When I say "power" here, I mean the power you have, relating to your ability to speak English or any other language fluently and your ability to understand a piece of information. You may be a graduate of Havard University or any other reputable institution BUT that doesn't give you the edge to understand God's Word. In the bible, it is mentioned that God's Word sounds like the word of a mad man to the children of perdition.

zuluman:

You mean all the babies and young children that suffer really are the choice of God? What a wicked character that God must be to make newborn babies suffer such horrible faiths.

In the bible, Genesis 25:23, Exodus 9:16, Romans 9:12-23, God said that he choses whom he would have mercy on. (For those of you with bible please refer to the bible). The text I bolded, should answer your question!

zuluman:

Obviously clay has got free will that enables it to choose another path in life as to avoid a horrible faith or hasn't it? But that would defeat your argument now, wouldn't it? Or maybe humans don't have any free will at all.

Can you tell me the other part in life that a clay has? I am not arguing with you. I am telling you the truth.

zuluman:

I'm going to decompose after the doctors have harvested all still useful organs from my body. Basically, I'm not going anywhere, as I, as an entity, will have ceased to exist.

Of course you are going somewhere, don't decieve yourself. I don't know which of the two you would end up. There is no free zone. You either end up in Heaven or Hell. What you need to do to get to Heaven is to believe in Jesus Christ. John 3:16.

zuluman:

Fear, the ultimate weapon in the apologetic's arsenal. Your mental abuse doesn't stick to us well grounded adults. Unfortunately, hardly anybody stops you people to strike fear in the hearts of the innocent children. If the same tactics were used for anything else but religious indoctrination, we would label it child abuse. Sadly enough few people see religious indoctrination for what it really is.

I'm happy you have no fear. I like people that do not fear anything BUT God (I pray you fear God).

zuluman:

I'm not trying to scare you by describing hell. The description of Hell is a warning. Assume you have a child, and that child is walking towards a pit filled with snakes. What would you do? Would you keep quiet and let the child walk towards the pit and eventually fall into the pit BECAUSE you don't want to tell the child to stop walking in the path of total destruction.

zuluman:

Would you also keep quiet because, if you tell the child not to walk towards the pit, he/she may demand a reason, and because you don't want to "mentally abuse" the kid, you just remain silent, insisting that the kid doesnt need to know that the pit is filled with snakes. Of course, there are some anxious kids that if you don't tell them the consequences of their actions they may end up doing it.

zuluman:

Why do governments mention the consequences of committing murder? Why do they tell the world what they do to murderers.

zuluman:

If you have a bank account, why does your bank tell you what they would do if you overdraw money than you have, from your bank account (You may be a comfortable billionaire, I don't know your status). Even if you are Bill Gates, If you open a bank account, some banks would still give you some documents showing what they would do, if you overdraw money. Why do you think banks mention this It is to warn you because they love you as their customer and they don't want you to suffer!

zuluman:

You may as well campaign against this "mental abuse" that our banks are doing to us eh,

zuluman:

You may as well campaign against governments for telling us about the punishment if we do certain things! Isn't that "mental abuse" according to what you have said. It is just a warning for those over anxious humans. Are you in the United Kingdom? In the United Kingdom, at car parks, there are notice boards which warns drivers about the consequences of not buying a parking permit! There may be some in Nigeria too.

zuluman:

Has anyone ever detected that famous hell? Any evidence for it's existence?

Those who have personal communication with God knows there is a Hell and Heaven. Pray for God to bless you with the Holy Spirit.

zuluman:

Would I even want to worship such an unpleasant, mysogenic, capricious and cruel character? Maybe you could, I definitely wouldn't

In the bible, God hardened pharaoh's heart so that he wouldn't listen to what Moses was saying. At the end pharaoh perished. And Yes it was God that hardened pharaoh's heart!

zuluman:

Can you explain to me the concept of sin? I just don't understand

Sin = Not believing in Jesus Christ.

zuluman:

@ nferyn

Why did you stop believing in God's existence?

zuluman:

Did someone do something bad to you? Or is it what you are seeing going on in the World today? Or is it any bad situation you are in?

Why do you assume that something is wrong with me?

TayoD:

@nferyn,

Because it takes some degree of madness to see a creation and insists there is no Creator.

Because it takes some degree of madness to see a creation and insists there is no Creator.

Why do you assume that something is wrong with me?

Awww, guys. I think that was just going overboard!

TayoD:

@nferyn,

Because it takes some degree of madness to see a creation and insists there is no Creator.

freelance:

I believe it's not just normal for a creation too to believe that there is no God

freelance:

Unless you assume a God, the question of life's purpose is meaningless
------Bertrand Russell, athesist

freelance:

Colossians 1:16 (New International Version)

16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

I pray you believe before it's too late

zuluman:

@ nferyn

Believe that God would renew everyone and our World. Whatever hardship you or anyone is going through, believe that God would remove that hardship. Amen. I pray for God's glory to be revealed in your life. Amen.

zuluman:

Don't forget to tell me when God's glory is revealed in your life. I've heard many testimonies about people who don't believe in God because of one thing or the other, but God, through his mercy, revealed his glory on them and people began to testify to God's glory.

zuluman:

So nferyn, I'd be expecting your testimony too.

1: You see a creation. I see no such thing. What I see is wonderfully complex natural world that can easily be explained through natural processes. We no longer live in Paley's time where there is no naturalistic explanation for biological complexity.

2. conclusion: madness, based on premisse 1, logically sound, but factually untenable

3. you personally see no method by which the appearance of design in the natural world can come into being. that is an argument from personal incredulity, one of the many logical phalacies.

TayoD:

@nferyn,

Because it takes some degree of madness to see a creation and insists there is no Creator.