I just want us to examine some of the numerous contradictions in the greatest miracle in islam the qur'an

Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.

Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?

Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].

Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.

What will be the food for the people in Hell? The food for the people in Hell will be only "Dhari" [Sura 88:6], or only foul pus from the washing of wounds [S. 69:36], or will they also get to eat from the tree of Zaqqum [S. 37:66]? Together, these verses constitute three contradictions.

Can Angels Cause the Death of People? The Qur'an attacks those who worship anyone besides God (e.g. angels or prophets) because those can neither create, nor give life, nor cause anyone to die. Yet, the Qur'an explicitly states that one angel or several angels are causing certain people to die [Sura 4:97, 16:28, 32, 32:11].

Confusion Concerning Identity of the Spirit and Gabriel (a long discussion of dozens of references)

'Iddah rules for divorced and widowed women appear to be arbitrary and inconsistent

To Marry or Not to Marry? The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].

Should Muslims show kindness to their parents? On the one hand, the Quran commands all Muslims to show kindness to their parents, even if they are disbelievers [17:23-24, 31:14-15, 29:8, etc.]. On the other hand, it demands not to show any love or friendship to those who oppose Muhammad, even if they are their parents [9:23, 58:22].

How many mothers does a Muslim have? Only one [58:2, the woman who gave birth and none else], or two [4:23, including the mother who nursed him], or at least ten [33:6]?

And it just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.

Hmmm, the guy is a real mathematician. The greatest miracle indeed. God can't make such a mistake!

How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.

Further numerical discrepancies Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)?

--- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. ---

There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]

How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad? One day [54:19] or several days [41:16; 69:6,7]

Six or eight days of creation? Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.

Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is".

Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].

Calling together or ripping apart? In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.

What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]

Fully Detailed Or Incomplete? The Qur'an claims for itself to be (fully) detailed, that nothing is left out of the book [6:38, 6:114, 12:111, 16:89 etc.].

Worshiping the Same or a Different God? Muhammad is commanded to speak to the disbelievers: , nor do you worship what I worship [109:3]. However, other verses in the Qur'an state clearly that those disbelieving his message are in fact worshiping the same God, Allah.

To Intercede or Not To Intercede? - That is the Question! The Qur'an makes contradictory statements whether on the Day of Judgment intercession will be possible. No: [2:122-123, 254; 6:51; 82:18-19; etc.]. Yes: [20:109; 34:23; 43:86; 53:26; etc.]. Each position can be further supported by ahadith.

Where is Allah and his throne? Allah is nearer than the jugular vein [50:16], but he is also on the throne [57:4] which is upon the water [11:7], and at the same time so far away, that it takes between 1,000 and 50,000 years to reach him [32:5, 70:4].

The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]?

How merciful is Allah's mercy? He has prescribed mercy for himself [6:12], yet he does not guide some, even though he could [6:35, 14:4].

Does Allah command to do evil? No [7:28, 16:90]. Yes [17:16, ]. Two examples are also given, where Allah clearly commanded or permitted indecent actions [2:229-230, 2:187].

Will there be inquiry in Paradise? "neither will they question one another" [23:101] but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry" [52:25], "and they will , question one another" [37:27].

Are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].

Is Allah the only Wali? On the one hand, Allah is supposedly the only wali (protector, helper, friend) [9:116, 17:111, 32:4, 42:28], on the other hand, the messenger and the believers are walis [5:55, 9:71], Allah has walis [10:62], and he raises walis [4:75].

Are all obedient and prostrating to Allah? That is the claim in 16:49 and 30:26, but dozens of verses speak of the proud disobedience of Satan [7:11, 15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74, 18:50] as well of many different human beings who reject His commands and His revelations.

Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.

The event of worship of the golden calf: The Israelites repented about worshipping the golden calf BEFORE Moses returned from the mountain [7:149], yet they refused to repent but rather continued to worship the calf until Moses came back [20:91]. Does Aaron share in their guilt? No [20:85-90], yes [20:92, 7:151].

Was Jonah cast on the desert shore or was he not? "Then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick" [37:145] "Had not Grace from his Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the naked shore while he was reprobate." [68:49]

Moses and the Injil? Jesus is born more than 1,000 years after Moses, but in 7:157 Allah speaks to Moses about what is written in the Injil [the book given to Jesus].

Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].

How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? On Judgement day the lost people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10], or in their left hand [69:25].

Can angels disobey? No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34].

Is Satan an angel or a jinn?

Three contradictions in 2:97 and 16:101-103 Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad? The ANGEL Gabriel [2:97], or the Holy Spirit [16:102]? The new revelation confirms the old [2:97] or substitutes it [16:101]? The Qur'an is PURE Arabic [16:103] but there are numerous foreign, non-Arabic words in it.
Do not say, "Three"!? It is impossible to recite Sura 4:171 without transgressing the command contained in it.
The infinite loop problem Sura 26:192,195,196: "It (the Qur'an) is indeed a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds, , in clear Arabic speech and indeed IT (the Qur'an) is in the writings of the earlier (prophets)." Now, the 'earlier writings' are the Torah and the Injil for example, written in Hebrew and Greek. HOW can an ARABIC Qur'an be contained in books of other languages? Furthermore, it would have to contain this very passage of the Qur'an since the Qur'an is properly contained in them. Hence these earlier writings have to be contained in yet other earlier writings and we are in an infinite loop, which is absurd.

Is the Torah like the Qur'an, or is it not? The Muslim claim of the corruption of the Bible leads to a contradiction between S. 2:24 and 17:88 on the one hand, and 28:49 and 46:10 on the other.

Should Jews and Christians follow the Bible or the Quran? "An old woman" and God's character About the story of Lot: "So we delivered him and his family, - all exept an old woman who lingered behind." [Sura 26:170-171] And again: "But we saved him and his family, exept his wife: she was of those who lagged behind. [Sura 7:83]. Either this is a contradiction or if indeed Lot's wife is derogatorily called "an old woman" then this does not show much respect for her as a wife of a prophet.

More problems with the story of Lot "And his people gave NO answer but this: They said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" [Sura 7:82 & 27:56]. Yet: "But his people gave NO answer but this: They said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." [Sura 29:29]. Obviously these answers are different.
The "pleasure" of Allah? Is God's action of punishment or mercy and guidance or misguidance arbitrary?

Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49, 6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19 Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to leave the area ("turning away from them all".

What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.

Was Noah driven out? "Before them *the people of Noah* rejected (their messenger): They rejected Our servant and said, 'Here is One possessed!' And he was driven out." [Sura 54:9] Now, if he is driven out [expelled from their country] how come they can scoff at him while he is building the ark since we read "Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that the Chiefs of *his people* passed by him, they threw ridicule on him." [Sura 11:38] He cannot be both: Driven out and near enough that they can regularly pass by.

Pharaoh's Magicians: Muslims or Rejectors of Faith? Did the Magicians of Pharaoh, Egyptians, become believers in the God of Moses [7:103-126; 20:56-73; S. 26:29-51] or did only Israelites believe in Moses [10:83]?

Pharaoh's repentance in the face of death? According to Sura 10:90-92, Pharaoh repented "in the sight of death" and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says that such a thing can't happen.

Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!

Guiding to truth? "Say: 'God - He guides to the truth; and which is worthier to be followed , ?" [Sura 10:35] But how much is left over of this worthiness when we also read: "Allah leads astray whom he pleases, and he guides whom He pleases, , " [Sura 14:4]. And how do we know in which of Allah's categories of pleasure we fall? How sure can a Muslim be that he is one of those guided right and not one of those led astray?

What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone" [4:16]. 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4?

Who suffers the consequence of sins? The Qur'an declares that everyone will be held responsible only for his own sins [S. 17:13-15, 53:38-42]. Yet, the Qur'an accuses the Jews of Muhammad's day for the sins committed some 2000 years earlier by other Jews, e.g. worshipping the Golden Calf idol.

Will Christians enter Paradise or go to Hell? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses later) and 3:85 say "No".
God alone or also men? Clear or incomprehensible? The Qur'an is "clear Arabic speech." [16:103] Yet "NONE knows its interpretation, save only Allah." [3:7]. Actually, "men of understanding do grasp it." [3:7]

Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved when chasing Moses and the Israelites? Saved [10:92], drowned [28:40, 17:103, 43:55].

When Moses Commanded Pharaoh the Killing of the Sons? When Moses was a Prophet and spoke God's truth to Pharaoh [40:23-25] or when he was still an infant [20:38-39]?

When/how are the fates determined? "The night of power is better than a thousand months. The angels and spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees." [97:3,4] "Lo! We revealed it on a blessed night." [44:3] To Muslims, the "Night of Power" is a blessed night on which fates are settled and on which everything relating to life, death, etc., which occurs throughout the year is decreed. It is said to be the night on which Allah's decrees for the year are brought down to the earthly plane. In other words, matters of creation are decreed a year at a time. Contradicting this, Sura 57:22 says, "No affliction befalls in the earth or in your selves, but it is in a Book before we create it." This means it is written in the Preserved Tablet, being totally fixed in Allah's knowledge before anyone was created. All of the above is contradicted by "And every man's fate We have fastened to his own neck." This says that man alone is responsible for what he does and what happens to him. [17:13]
Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and , are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?

Good News of Painful Torture? Obviously, announcing torment and suffering to anyone is bad news, not good news. However, the Qur'an announces the good news of painful torment [3:21, 4:138, 9:3, 9:34, 31:7, 45:8, and 84:24].

Jinns and men created for worship or for Hell? Created only to serve God [Sura 51:56], many of them made for Hell [Sura 7:179].
Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.

Will Allah disgrace Muslims? On the day of judgment Allah will not humiliate or disgrace the Prophet and those who believe in him [S. 66:8]. However, 19:71 says that everyone will enter Hell, and 3:192 states that whomsoever Allah sends to Hell, is disgraced thereby.

Will Jesus burn in Hell? Jesus is raised to Allah, [Sura 4:158], near stationed with him [Sura 3:45], worshiped by millions of Christians, yet Sura 21:98 says, that all that are worshiped by men besides Allah will burn in Hell together with those who worship them.

Is Jesus God or Not? In Sura 16:17, 20-21 and S. 25:3 we find a criterion to distinguish the true God from false gods. Yet, according to S. 3:49, 55, 4:157-158, 5:110, 6:2, and 38:71-72 Jesus satisfies the definition and should be considered true Deity.

Can there be a son without a consort? Allah cannot have a son without a consort [Sura 6:101], but Mary can have a son without a consort because that is easy for Allah [Sura 19:21].

Who is the father of Jesus? A more involved argument that is difficult to summarize in one sentence.
Begetting and Self-sufficiency A self-contradiction on account of confused terminology.
Could Allah have a son? Sura 39:4 affirms and Sura 6:101 denies this possibility.

Did Jesus Die already? Sura 3:144 states that all messengers died before Muhammad. But 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?).

One Creator or many? The Qur'an uses twice the phrase that Allah is "the best of creators" [23:14, 37:125]. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is "the creator of all things" [e.g. 39:62]. There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.

From among all nations or from Abraham's seed? Sura 29:27 states that all prophets came Abraham's seed. But 16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people.

Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5].

Messengers were never sent to other than their own people? So it is claimed in Sura 14:4 and 30:47. However, the Bible and the Qur'an, and the Muslim traditions confirm that Jonah was sent to a different nation.

Messengers Amongst the Jinns and Angels? Allah sent only men as messengers [Suras 12:109, 21:7-8, 25:20-21] but there seemingly are messengers from Jinns and Angels [6:130; 11:69,77; 22:75; etc., see article for details].

A Messenger from among the beasts? Allah sent only men as messengers [Suras 12:109, 21:7-8, 25:20-21]. Yet, the Qur'an also speaks about a beast that is a messenger from Allah to men [S. 27:82].

@nossycheeks


Thumbs up for lifting everything from there. But you should have posted them one after the other and I explain them to you. If you care, you can bring them one after the other and we treat them together but if you cant, check this link for detailed response to your lies as being put by silas, chowdry etc.


http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm

Stay cool

Truth has come, falsehood is bound to perish

babs787:

@nossycheeks


Thumbs up for lifting everything from there. But you should have posted them one after the other and I explain them to you. If you care, you can bring them one after the other and we treat them together but if you can't, check this link for detailed response to your lies as being put by silas, chowdry etc.


http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm
Stay cool
Truth has come, falsehood is bound to perish

Stop being a two-faced hypocrite and answer AT LEAST ONE of the contradictions rather than trying to hide under the banner of "you should have posted them one by one". When you posted the 101 contradictions in the bible, it did not occur to you that u could have posted them one by one for better rendering?

@nossycheek,

I salute O!   . . . Hehe, and I still dey wait for your Yahoo to start working!!

Anyway, I trust you would come up with something juicy to keep babs787 and his cohorts busy. I do hope they have their mouths full to chew on the ones you posted so far. Nevermind the open hypocrisy already expressed, as davidylan has observed above and queried him.

Once again, well done!

@babs787 de atilogu dancer

we are patiently waiting for your clarifications

davidylan:

Stop being a two-faced hypocrite and answer AT LEAST ONE of the contradictions rather than trying to hide under the banner of "you should have posted them one by one". When you posted the 101 contradictions in the bible, it did not occur to you that u could have posted them one by one for better rendering?

stimulus:

@nossycheek,

I salute O!   . . . Hehe, and I still dey wait for your Yahoo to start working!!

Anyway, I trust you would come up with something juicy to keep babs787 and his cohorts busy. I do hope they have their mouths full to chew on the ones you posted so far. Nevermind the open hypocrisy already expressed, as davidylan has observed above and queried him.

Once again, well done!

thats is the best response for babs***, i have stopped responding to him, I guess he is bitter against someone related to him (supposed to be a christian) that didnt treat him right. He is carrying out a vendetta against that person by standing against christianity. I hope we will all pray for him, he once said he had a reversion and I checked the word, guess the meaning:
reversion (n.) a return to a normal phenotype (usually resulting from a second mutation)
reversion (n.) a reappearance of an earlier characteristic
note the meaning highlighted. I also think he wants attention. Babs , i  have nothing against you and i hope you at least be teachable

@jeshua



thats is the best response for babs***, i have stopped responding to him, I guess he is bitter against someone related to him  (supposed to be a christian) that didnt treat him right. He is carrying out a vendetta against that person by standing against christianity. I hope we will all pray for him, he once said he had a reversion and I checked the word, guess the meaning:
reversion (n.) a return to a normal phenotype (usually resulting from a second mutation)
reversion (n.) a reappearance of an earlier characteristic
note the meaning highlighted. I also think he wants attention. Babs , i  have nothing against you and i hope you at least be teachable


Brother, you shouldnt have stopped responding to babs.In one of the threads, you thought that babs ran for you but when I gave you back what you offered, you never wait to say anything. Al Quran is my surest link to Allah, proof me wrong and I will join yours. If you are sure of anything, feel free to defend it. You have been saying that God should fight for himself, why are you deviating from your what you said earlier. Babs has nothing against you too.



@noisycheeks,


We are beginning to see real dancers. If you want babs to address your questions, give me two or three questions and provide the full vtranslations, then be rest assured that babs will answer you. The reason for asking for the full translation is that I learnt that you often misquote verses like you did here
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52621.0.html#msg1105867

You provided the story of Adam and lied that the story is for Moses. You also lied that the stories are contradictions whereas they are not. So please provide the translations for me and babs will surely respond

Thanks.

babs787:

We are beginning to see real dancers. If you want babs to address your questions, give me two or three questions and provide the full vtranslations, then be rest assured that babs will answer you. The reason for asking for the full translation is that I learnt that you often misquote verses like you did here
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52621.0.html#msg1105867

Another crap! You did not wait to rank-xerox between seven to ten questions at once in your adventures, but now you're begging for just[i] two or three[/i]!! Your cover has been blown - get raving mad if you want to!

@blabs

If you used to lying then, good luck. The issues are far less than the 101 you posted on the Bible and the questions/issues were all handled. Asking me to give you two or three translations only make mockery of the religion you claim to be an advocate.

Resting on al-tagyya or whatever you call it will not resolve it. You have the qur'an (your only link?) and your plagiarised websites to quote from.

Let me answer on babs behalf

allah knows best
Islam is peace and there is no compulsion in religion!

I no fit laugh finish!!    

It just makes me wonder that with all their boasting about "scientific Qur'an", when issues are presented and no material to rank-xerox, then that cliche is usually offered as a life-saver!

Except you die as a muslim, you cannot enter into the "kingdom of god"

Dem too dey copy!

The one thing about copyists is that they take other people's material and make it exclusively their own - whether they're articles lifted from other websites; or "enter into the Kingdom of God".

I'm not surprised that plagiarists who cop out elements from others will want to see themselves as final! Is that, prehaps, the reason why Muhammad is declared the LAST and greatest prophet?

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Now, this issue about being a prophet. . . I really would like to know what exactly is a prophet in Islamic thinking. A few sub-questions:

(a) how does Muhammad resemble any Biblical prophet in ministry?

(b) why was Muhammad often mixing up issues that those prophets preached?

@Gwaine

Now, this issue about being a prophet. . . I really would like to know what exactly is a prophet in Islamic thinking. A few sub-questions:

(a) how does Muhammad resemble any Biblical prophet in ministry?

(b) why was Muhammad often mixing up issues that those prophets preached?


Are you still asking question? Your brothers said that job, solomon etc are not prophets so I asked them the qualities of a prophet and what are they, so you should answer the question for them before moving to another question.


Thanks

@babs787,

If you have no answers to my questions, don't take a heart attack for not being able to read like an adult.

"Now, this issue about being a prophet. . . I really would like to know what exactly is a prophet in Islamic thinking. A few sub-questions:"

Am I a Muslim to provide answers for Islamic thinking?

Trying to draw me out in your usual unending illiterate arguments will not work with me. 

@Gwaine

that is typical of blabs, he is an artful dodger, an act he is well versed in

Not all the time I want to involve my self in such thread of religion versus religion. But it obviously seems that you guys are interested in such.
Well, I won't say almost a word here, rather am going to open a new brand on another confused issue in the other[i] religion[/i].
Here I go,

@Gwaine



If you have no answers to my questions, don't take a heart attack for not being able to read like an adult.

Brother, you may cry from now till tomorrow. I have answers but your brothers denied the prophethood of Solomon, job etc so you need to answer that before posing your problem.


"Now, this issue about being a prophet. . . I really would like to know what exactly is a prophet in Islamic thinking. A few sub-questions:"

Am I a Muslim to provide answers for Islamic thinking?

Trying to draw me out in your usual unending illiterate arguments will not work with me.


It is not like that huh, your brother said that job, solomon etc are not prophets and am asking you now to answer on their behalf, since you have decided to bear their burden with your empty threat.

When you are through with that, I provide answer to your senseless questions and you will stop barking like a dog.

@babs787,

Cry, no cry. . . whatever. Can you simply answer the question and let's move on?

babs787:

Are you still asking question? Your brothers said that job, solomon etc are not prophets so I asked them the qualities of a prophet and what are they, so you should answer the question for them before moving to another question.

Apparently mohammed thought he could hoodwink the jews by labelling all their biblical heroes as "prophets" of the idol called allah! Only mohammed and allah conspired to "lose" all the books and revelations he allegedly sent down and confirmed!
Where are those books?

What is the rationale behind refering to Solomon and Job as prophets? Simply because Mohammed made such a bogus claim? Where in the bible do we hear of Solomon (king of isreal) being refered to as a prophet?
Are their prophecies in the lost books of allah? Better tell him to find them.

@davidylan


I am still asking you, please who are they if they are not prophets?



@Gwaine


          (a) how does Muhammad resemble any Biblical prophet in ministry?

          (b) why was Muhammad often mixing up issues that those prophets preached?


Answers will be supplied only when we know who prophets are and I can use that in answering your questions above. You may as well assist david.

well blabs@blabbing.com

we are still waiting for you and your cohorts to clarify the contradictions as expected but you, in your usual style is trying to digress. When you raised yours we did not refer you to any website.

Why all these contradictions in the book sent down by allah? Or did you people try to join the parts eaten by the goats under Aisha's bed?

@noisycheeks

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well blabs@blabbing.com

we are still waiting for you and your cohorts to clarify the contradictions as expected but you, in your usual style is trying to digress. When you raised yours we did not refer you to any website.


Sister, you may wait till eternity for all I care and I dont care if you have lifted from website. If you still want babs to diagnose your problem, bring from one to five of your questions will the translations and I will surely educate you. Since you have been shouting that I gave you 101 contradictions, I have narrowed it down and will be serving you one after the other.

So if you still want me to answer them for you, give me two or three with the translations and I will surely respond. I am demanding for the translation becaus I learnt that you do sometime quote out of context (hope you remember the story of Adam you mixed ignorantly with that of Moses). So when you are ready, babs is also ready. You are free to lift from any websites and be rest assured that you will be refuted just like silas, chowdry etc have been.



Why all these contradictions in the book sent down by allah? Or did you people try to join the parts eaten by the goats under Aisha's bed?


When you finish sobbing, let me know. Supply me the translations and babs will respond

@blabs

You are clearly stating that the contradictions cannot be clarified hence you want me to give you the translations of your own qur'an as you have lost your qur'an. Typical of the muslim hypocrisy.

@noisycheeks

Just provide the translations and stop wasting your time

@blabs
I will provide the translations if and only if you longer own a qur'an.

But for sure, they are really contradictions, no rebuttals. Al salaam

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@blabs
I will provide the translations if and only if you longer own a qur'an.

Just provide same.

But for sure, they are really contradictions, no rebuttals. Al salaam

When you provide the translations, we will know if they are worth rebutting or explaining to you because of your lack of knowledge


Shalom

yeah, they were prophets just like adam and eve

do u need a dictionary definition for "prophet"? since u've found leisure in ducking islamic thinking

@muslims:

Please what or who is a prophet according to Islamic teaching? Thank you.

@wormedup

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yeah, they were prophets just like adam and eve  

do u need a dictionary definition for "prophet"? since u've found leisure in ducking islamic thinking  

Daddy its not what you may be thinking. I told your other sons in the likes of stimulus and davidylan that they were prophets but your sons denied the claim that they are not prophets.


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Re: The Greatest Miracle In Islam
« #98 on: May 09, 2007, 03:05 AM »  

quote]job: Please read the book of Job, no where is Job refered to as a prophet. What message did God send through him and to whom?
noah: Again he was told to build the ark and was saved with his family BECAUSE HE OF ALL MEN ON EARTH WAS FOUND RIGHTEOUS. No where are we told he was a prophet.
david: Killed Goliath as a shepherd boy and eventually became King of Isreal. Where did Muhammad get the inspiration that David was a prophet?
abraham: Where in the book of Genesis is he refered to as a prophet? Here was a man who was called out from among his family and told to take a journey to a promised land he never entered. Was he a prophet to the desert, his wife, children and servants?
lot:   Now i know Muhammad seriously had issues! Lot a prophet?
jonah: Yes he was a prophet sent to the people of Nineveh. I'm sure you must know the story of Jonah in the whale's belly!
solomon: When was he made a prophet and by whom? King of Isreal after his father David. How did Muhammad come up with his appelation of "prophet" for solomon?
samson: No sir!

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and this too

[quote]: The Greatest Miracle In Islam
« #102 on: May 09, 2007, 01:11 PM »

Stop clinging to straws!    What about Lot, Noah, Samson, Job? Are they still "prophets"? We all know islam is only struggling for legitimacy by trying to force islamic reasoning into the bible or force biblical characters that have nothing to do with islam into the quran. Assuming Lot were even a prophet, what connection does he have with muslims and allah?
Go and answer the questions on the contradictions in the quran thread and stop hyperventilating. You escapist!  

So you can see Daddy that I am in support of you.


@Davidylan

Dont you think that it is high time you left nairaland? You have been given knocks on several ocassions .

I tire for you oooooo

babs,
now i know u won't know sarcasm if it slapped u in the face !

adam and eve prophets lot and noah prophets
the least you could do was get a dictionary and look up the word "prophet", then u could come here if you're not satisfied with what u get out of it !

i guess you're a prophet too right ? i'd really appreciate an answer on that.

if all those guys u mentioned there are prophets, what would samuel, moses, isaiah, ezekiel and co be let me guess, prophet² [/b]or [b]prophet³ ?
surely muhammad would have seen there was a difference between those men !

cheers