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while we debate and argue about okah, [size=38pt]what is the govt doing about rambo and co who are in the creeks getting ready to resume hostilities? [/size]

CAN'T BLIEVE THE PICTURE ISN'T SO CLEAR TO YOU GUYS.Now IBB was the only former head of state who didn't  attend the independence day ceremony.,WHY?? For some months now it's been kidnapping kidnapping.,no single case of militant attack.,why on the 1st of october,,.,we are here and our president is there, we don't knw d type of calls he recieves and what goes on in his chamber.,smtin must have motivated him to remove mend from d picture,
It's very funny,i mean for henry okah who has never been in good terms with president Jonathan bcuz of his greed to be telling us that mr.president's aide called him what crap, hahahah,very funny indeed,if d president wanted to call sm1,don't u think d 1st person would have  been tompolo(ex-commander) of mend or asari-dokubo, HENRY OKAH IS ONLY LOOKING FOR A GRIP.HE KNWS HE'S GOING DOWN.AND HE SAID WHAT HE SAID BCUZ D PEOPLE WHO SPONSORED THAT TERRORIST ATTACK PAID HIM , THEY DON'T WANT GEJ2011, IT'S ALL POLITICS, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH  REGIONAL STRUGGLE

Kobojunkie:
Your analysis above is not smart in anyway. What exactly is not smart in his interview to Aljazeera? That he refuses to deny he is somehow connected to MEND, fact we are all aware of before now? Or that he explains that Yar adua did try to negotiate with them but Jonathan has done nothing of the same?

Why would he distance himself from a group he knows he is affiliated with and probably still leads? Are you sure your urging him to try to distance himself from the bombing is the UN-smart comment here? This is a man whose identity is steeped in all these terrorist attacks and you NOW think it is only smart for him to suddenly change from who he has always been now?

WHY?
Aljazeera is a media house. Criminals, whether in custody or on death row have a right to get their story out. Okah did. Why are people more concerned about that and not more focused on discovering the truth of what happened?  
I am not even going to attempt the second part of your statement above as I find it quite absurd.

Maybe you  did not hear his first response on the day of the bombings? He said though the bomb talk had been on for sometime, he was surprisingly woken up from sleep in the afternoon , that ABJ had just been bombed.

Okah is saying the govt was warned, mend through jomo gbomo's email says the govt was warned. Okah is not happy with the present govt from this interview, Jomo gbomo is not happy with the present govt from the mails. Okah says he was asked to frame northern politicians by jonathan's aid, he refused and but later told the whole world that an immediate past northern politician did more for the Niger delta. jomo Gbomo in the context of friday's bombings=HENRY OKAH

If he is cunningly accepting responsibility then fine. I said he is not smart because he seems to be distancing himself from the blast, while at the same time suggesting that he is actually the mastermind.

please dont insult me next time, nobody gets an extra kobo for all this arguments.

babytoun:
Maybe you  did not hear his first response on the day of the bombings? He said though the bomb talk had been on for sometime, he was surprisingly woken up from sleep in the afternoon , that ABJ had just been bombed.

This is actually the transcript of the same Phone call, and nothing different .

babytoun:
Okah is saying the govt was warned, mend through jomo gbomo's email says the govt was warned. Okah is not happy with the present govt from this interview, Jomo gbomo is not happy with the present govt from the mails. Okah says he was asked to frame northern politicians by jonathan's aid, he refused and but later told the whole world that an immediate past northern politician did more for the Niger delta. jomo Gbomo in the context of friday's bombings=HENRY OKAH

OKah says . . . Okah says . . . are you somehow implying Okah cannot be against the government ? Okah cannot, yet again, tell us he is a terrorist as he has always done in the past? Okah cannot tell us that he got a call suggesting he bow out so the blame can go to northerners?

babytoun:
If he is cunningly accepting responsibility then fine. I said he is not smart because he seems to be distancing himself from the blast, while at the same time suggesting that he is actually the mastermind.

I think you are the one trying to make the above up all on your own. MEND has claimed responsibility for the blast. Okah does not even need to distance himself from the very same Organization he claims to be a leader of.
By the way, why aren't you out there asking your government for answers to why Okah was searched BEFORE the bombing happened? Only to be arrested AFTER the bombings? Why are you asking why your own President came out to defend this KNOWN TERRORIST GROUP? What do you think your reaction would have been if He had come out to claim Boko Haram did not do it, even before the evidence has been compiled and all? You are trying to tear apart a story from one side without even having anything from the other side to work with. Are you sure that in itself is SMART?

the issue some people seem not to comprehend here is the fact that this is not just about GEJ and staying in power, this is about we Nigerians being able to rationalise events as necessary. GEJ saying that MEND is not a terrorist group is like Obama saying that Al-qaeda is not a terrorist group. The point all of you Pro GEJ pple still avoid is WHY WOULD HE VOUCH FOR A GROUP OF [b]KILLERS [/b]AND PUT HIS INTEGRITY AND NATIONAL PRIDE ON THE LINE FOR THEM? IS HE ONE OF THEM? WHAT ARE HIS INTERESTS? even if it is remotely possible that his political opponents are out to get him, why not investigate first then comment later?

@kobojunkie

Your getting it all wrong, because IRA is labelled a terrorist organisation doesn't mean Jerry Adams should be locked up, after all both Sinn Fein and the IRA are connected groups, MEND could claim responsibility doesn't mean Okah or any of the commanders should be held if you know how MEND is structurally organised, the presidency might through security reports believe Okah had a role to play as an individual but not MEND as an organisation, and Okah could have really been a party to it because he feels short-changed by Jonathan's administration who has embraced the other commanders who they deem more dangerous and willing to play ball with than Okah who is seen as purely a business-man, Why is Okah the only MEND member who has an axe to grind with Jonathan ?

babasoty:
@kobojunkie

Your getting it all wrong, because IRA is labelled a terrorist organisation doesn't mean Jerry Adams should be locked up, after all both Sinn Fein and the IRA are connected groups, MEND could claim responsibility doesn't mean Okah or any of the commanders should be held if you know how MEND is structurally organised, the presidency might through security reports believe Okah had a role to play as an individual but not MEND as an organisation, and Okah could have really been a party to it because he feels short-changed by Jonathan's administration who has embraced the other commanders who they deem more dangerous and willing to play ball with than Okah who is seen as purely a business-man, Why is Okah the only MEND member who has an axe to grind with Jonathan ?

Well, I do understand the above but for now, the evidence we have points to this being a MEND job and since our own President went after Okah, it seems he is involved in one way or another. Okah is part of the MEND we know and so it makes sense now to believe he has a hand in this somehow.

By his own word, he has claimed that he got calls telling him to denounce the bombing so it could be blamed on some other party. I am waiting to get the story from the other side which seems occupied with offering up apologies and diverting our attention without really offering up the immediate truth of what has happened so far.

@kobojunkie

What I am saying is that Okah might be involved as an individual but this is not purely a MEND sanctioned job, It is not a job agreed by the MEND council that's why you have the MEND commanders coming out disclaiming it, Okah might be doing this solo with whoever, and using the name of MEND to discredit GEJ's administration.

babasoty:
@kobojunkie

What I am saying is that Okah might be involved as an individual but this is not purely a MEND sanctioned job, It is not a job agreed by the MEND council that's why you have the MEND commanders coming out disclaiming it, Okah might be doing this solo with whoever, and using the name of MEND to discredit GEJ's administration.

Well . . . here I will disagree with you.

a) the only MEND members who have come out to claim it was not MEND were EX -- get it EX members and so NO LONGER MEND and so CANNOT speak on behalf of MEND.

b) The known leader of MEND, the ones who DID NOT accept last year's Amnesty Package, the ones that were represented in the end by people like Wole Soyinka, and as such can claim to still be in MEND and running the group have come out to claim MEND did it.

c) Yes, Okah is an individual but his arrest was because of his affiliation with the MEND group, which the SSS believes, and states is responsible for the attack

d) The President ought to have nothing to do with MEND in the first place, so I see no reason why this being MEND or not MEND should have anything to do with discrediting the administration.

   Jonathan has been in Office since 2007 and that in no way stopped MEND from carrying out attacks during those times either. I am not certain how this ought to be against the president when MEND has always maintained it is independent group.

I would really appreciate it if we start dealing with the facts rather than cooking up stories to make ourselves, once again, ignore the truth when it is right in front of our eyes.

This is another Yar Adua BBC Interview. Is Okah also sick that he can not talk live?

I cant believe we are actually arguing back and forth over an interview on Aljazeera. Anybody that does not know that TV station has an Islamic agenda must be pretty naive or plain dumb. That station reported incidents in Jos North where Fulani herdsmen attacked and killed innocent men,women and children in their sleep as religious clashes and continuously refused to term those senseless killing as the cold-blooded massacres they were ,even when it happened twice they refused to mention that unarmed villagers were attacked at night which the other western media stations did. The same station that a few months back told us the president's supposed cousin had breakfast with him and he even asked about the welfare of his family and friends, only for the man to die a few weeks after and we found out he had not spoken in months. Let’s allow our heads to do some thinking it doesn’t hurt that much!

im laughing in Swahil ,Henry Okah,what a funny man,anyway after the whole show he will be smilling to the bank.To my surprise peolpe are still solidly behind GEJ despite all the cheap blackmail,na God send this man true true.
Those 'agbayas' hiding under Nothern elders forum has failed again,we are still expecting two out of thier cheap blackmail just wait and see.
I dont just expect those elders to react so sharply to the extent of telling GEJ to resign.When America was attach(9/11),did anybody ask Bush to resign,this clearly shows that the whole thing has a political undertone.

One thing I know 4 sure is that who God has blessed no man can cause.

see another revelation
http://temicity.com/index.php?topic=1492.msg5748#msg5748

If johnathan is not the president nigeria need,were IBB, OBJ, YARADUA the president
NIGERIA needed?

tefund:
If johnathan is not the president nigeria need,were IBB, OBJ, YARADUA the president
NIGERIA needed?

Is Nigeria moving back in time or something?

tefund:
If johnathan is not the president nigeria need,were IBB, OBJ, YARADUA the president
NIGERIA needed?

We might end up having a President that his wife will slap in public.

[b] I weep for this nation, miscreants who once had no place in our affairs now reign supreme. Each one protecting his interest even to the detriment of Nigeria. What people won't do to stay in power, it is bewildering that street urchins and gun runners are now in the equation as regards 2011 election. Folks it is a sgin of things to come, the foot soldiers are being recruited by their feudal lords to cause mayhem. Once there was a bed which accomodated Henry Okah and his associates( Asari and co now supposedly rehabilitated and pro Jonathan), the MEND bed. Okah's business boomed, supplying arms to Asari and co all in the name of ND struggle Then there was a common enemy of the associates, the ruling UMYA governement, interest perceivedly different from their suppose struggle, Henry sold his guns until pacification came in the form of amnesty. Of course like every businessman Henry kicked into survival mode instinct and refused the amnesty- the cake sharing for him must not end. After all he and his associates have come to know what the high and mighty have been enjoying from the looting of Nigeria's oil wealth. Imagine being rewarded for being a recalcitrant . Then came the UMYA saga, his death and the subsequent enthronment of an ND son, the wall which united Henry and his associate gave way, for them one of theirs was on the throne, the solidairty we now see glaringly between them and Jonathan. Of course with the big masquerade E. Clark directing the troops from behind the scene. Sighs. So the rally cry has begun so too the finger pointing. Of course with each party only concerned about its interest. I shed tears because none of these bandits, JEGA, ATIKU, IBB, SARAKI, CIROMA and their lot are concerned if Nigeria burn. To them we the people are a means to an end. I fear the break-up cloud is gathering and the storm of disunity brewing would unhinge the remaining screw that binds us together. [/b]

We Rejected IBB Lobby to Bomb Abuja -Ex-Militants
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Lagos — The last has not been heard on last Friday's bomb attacks in Abuja during Nigeria's independence anniversary celebrations which killed 12 persons and injured 36 others, as the Joint Revolutionary Council (JRC), an umbrella of major militant groups in the Niger Delta yesterday said former military president, Ibrahim Babangida, contacted it to carry out the bomb attacks.

In an electronic mail to Daily Champion by Bakabio Walter, JRC's spokesman, the group alleged that the attacks were carried out by Henry Okah with the support of IBB, and that the aim was to assassinate President Goodluck Jonathan and Vice President Namadi Sambo among other top government officials.

However, IBB reacting through his spokesman, Kazeem Afegbua, said: "That is a blatant lie. General IBB is too disciplined and patriotic to be drawn into this deliberate blackmail. Please ignore them."

Part of the group's statement said: "While we were reflecting on the journey so far, some counter revolutionary elements launched two terrorist attacks in Abuja that took the lives of several innocent people and claimed it was for the Niger Delta struggle. Our intelligence report revealed that those attacks were planned by Okah and executed by the terrorist group he formed with the support of Babangida.

"It was formed with the sole aim of fighting against President Jonathan should he forge ahead with his plan to contest in 2011 poll.

"The attack had two main goals. Firstly, to assassinate Jonathan, Sambo and others in the line of succession who were all present at the golden jubilee celebrations at Eagle Square.

"Secondly, if the President and those in the line of succession survive the attack, the insecurity arising from that would be used as excuse for the military intervention."

JRC took a snipe at those claiming to be members of the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND), saying they are not, as MEND was disbanded after all of their leaders accepted the federal government's offer of amnesty.

It said: "The attacks were a mercenary job done on behalf of Babangida and his cohorts. We know this because we were approached earlier by agents of IBB to carry out attacks in the Niger Delta and Abuja to demystify Jonathan and show that he does not have the support of his people, but we declined.

"It was because of this that we suspended our armed campaign this year. We realised that IBB was going to use our genuine agitation to his own selfish, unpatriotic and over ambitious advantage. It was when we declined that they approached Henry Okah who is a mercenary by nature, and they started with the Warri bomb blasts followed by the anniversary attacks. For now we can say authoritatively that Okah heads IBB's terror machine and they are more sophisticated than what they have done so far.

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"The recent events in the politics of the Nigerian state further expose the ethnic and national contradictions and justify our agitations for self determination and call for a sovereign national conference of all the nationalities that were forcefully conscripted into Nigeria. This is the only peaceful way of getting out of this barbarism that is threatening to create the biggest refugee problem in the world," the group said.

It warned politicians not to "drag our region and its genuine struggle into their muddy water of politics. Also, those who are planning to organise a coup de'tat should know that they would have us to contend with as we will never allow their authority to extend into our region. We are watching keenly as the drama unfolds, knowing that after this mad dance of macabre we shall meet at the barricade."

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Lagos — The last has not been heard on last Friday's bomb attacks in Abuja during Nigeria's independence anniversary celebrations which killed 12 persons and injured 36 others, as the Joint Revolutionary Council (JRC), an umbrella of major militant groups in the Niger Delta yesterday said former military president, Ibrahim Babangida, contacted it to carry out the bomb attacks.

In an electronic mail to Daily Champion by Bakabio Walter, JRC's spokesman, the group alleged that the attacks were carried out by Henry Okah with the support of IBB, and that the aim was to assassinate President Goodluck Jonathan and Vice President Namadi Sambo among other top government officials.

However, IBB reacting through his spokesman, Kazeem Afegbua, said: "That is a blatant lie. General IBB is too disciplined and patriotic to be drawn into this deliberate blackmail. Please ignore them."

Part of the group's statement said: "While we were reflecting on the journey so far, some counter revolutionary elements launched two terrorist attacks in Abuja that took the lives of several innocent people and claimed it was for the Niger Delta struggle. Our intelligence report revealed that those attacks were planned by Okah and executed by the terrorist group he formed with the support of Babangida.

"It was formed with the sole aim of fighting against President Jonathan should he forge ahead with his plan to contest in 2011 poll.

"The attack had two main goals. Firstly, to assassinate Jonathan, Sambo and others in the line of succession who were all present at the golden jubilee celebrations at Eagle Square.

"Secondly, if the President and those in the line of succession survive the attack, the insecurity arising from that would be used as excuse for the military intervention."

JRC took a snipe at those claiming to be members of the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND), saying they are not, as MEND was disbanded after all of their leaders accepted the federal government's offer of amnesty.

It said: "The attacks were a mercenary job done on behalf of Babangida and his cohorts. We know this because we were approached earlier by agents of IBB to carry out attacks in the Niger Delta and Abuja to demystify Jonathan and show that he does not have the support of his people, but we declined.

"It was because of this that we suspended our armed campaign this year. We realised that IBB was going to use our genuine agitation to his own selfish, unpatriotic and over ambitious advantage. It was when we declined that they approached Henry Okah who is a mercenary by nature, and they started with the Warri bomb blasts followed by the anniversary attacks. For now we can say authoritatively that Okah heads IBB's terror machine and they are more sophisticated than what they have done so far.

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West Africa
Nigeria
Terrorism
Conflict
"The recent events in the politics of the Nigerian state further expose the ethnic and national contradictions and justify our agitations for self determination and call for a sovereign national conference of all the nationalities that were forcefully conscripted into Nigeria. This is the only peaceful way of getting out of this barbarism that is threatening to create the biggest refugee problem in the world," the group said.

It warned politicians not to "drag our region and its genuine struggle into their muddy water of politics. Also, those who are planning to organise a coup de'tat should know that they would have us to contend with as we will never allow their authority to extend into our region. We are watching keenly as the drama unfolds, knowing that after this mad dance of macabre we shall meet at the barricade."

[quote][/quote]The storm is gathering, battle lines are being drawn, I fear what Nigeria has become, this house truly has fallen, darkness in Nigeria.

boring

The storm is gathering, battle lines are being drawn, I fear what Nigeria has become, this house truly has fallen, darkness in Nigeria.

I completely disagree, as a matter of fact this is a sign of great days ahead. There never has been a time in recent decades where the political elite have been this divided over an issue. Usually the folks that comprise "shareholders" of Nigeria plc agree across all ethnic groups and that’s why it’s easy for them to take the rest of us for a ride. Now that their insatiable greed has separated them along ethnic divides then we are certain the end is near for this class of political rapists that has been plundering our resources over the past 50years.Its a good sign remember "divided we stand united we fall" I would rather this than a scenario where IBB,OBJ,Edwin Clark,Atiku,Anenih and co all agree, that will mean more looting and eventual transfer of power to their children and upcoming protégés.Now all we need to do is sit back and let dog eat dog,then tame the exhausted and outnumbered dog that survives with people power.

Abeg! Abeg! Abeg! What nonsense! GEJ must be a dullard to think he can use such cheap and poorly constructed propaganda mechanisms to cover up the fact that he goofed. These Nigerian leaders sef! Wetin them think say we be? These people actually take us all for fools. the same way he hurriedly made stupid and unguarded comments about MEND, is the same way he has hurriedly made Okah the center of his whole bomb theory and wants us to buy it? Okah being a suspected criminal has his own flaws, but isn't it obvious what GEJ is trying to do? That guy needs better advisers as the ones he has now are irresponsible fools who are serving their own personal interests, not his or ours. By the way why is GEJ so afraid that IBB might win him in the primaries that he has resorted to cheap blackmail? Why doesnt he see Atiku or Gusau as threats as much as he sees IBB? Hmmmmmnnnnn! there must be some manouverings we dont know about.

Join this move

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-527450.0.html

paste it on every blog page and site you know.

Vavavoom:
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JRC took a snipe at those claiming to be members of the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND), saying they are not, as MEND was disbanded after all of their leaders accepted the federal government's offer of amnesty.

It said: "The attacks were a mercenary job done on behalf of Babangida and his cohorts. We know this because we were approached [/b]earlier by agents of IBB to carry out attacks in the Niger Delta and Abuja to demystify Jonathan and show that he does not have the support of his people, but [b]we declined.

"It was because of this that we suspended our armed campaign this year. We realised that IBB was going to use our genuine agitation to his own selfish, unpatriotic and over ambitious advantage. It was when we declined that they approached Henry Okah who is a mercenary by nature, and they started [b]with the Warri bomb blasts f[/b]ollowed by the anniversary attacks. For now we can say authoritatively that Okah heads IBB's terror machine and they are more sophisticated than what they have done so far.

MEND was never disbanded, they only changed luietenants. they never claimed they were closing operations, they only said that since tompolo et al. accepted amnesty, that they are launching new guys as commanders.
if JRC was approached earlier by IBB why are they not on trial for aiding and abbetting, conspiracy to commit murder since they did not bother to report to the authorities? so they knew who was behind warri bombings? and they didnt come forward? yeah right!

I think Okah is a political tool that has been bought by someone probably IBB. Its very obvious.

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@kobojunkie
for the sake of clarity and sanity of purpose , can you please confirm your state of origin to the house?

your signature reads suspect and your arguements alike----- (aggressive minorities)
what in the name of God makes them minor to you if i may ask, could it be because you have two heads?


i have followed your talks and they are all political its reeks of zoning. please tell us the truth. are you one of them that thinks they are born to rule?

hhahahahahahha, i laugh in spanish , cos that time that Nigerian lives in fear in over , no one , i repeat no one is afraid of death anymore

mekula:
MEND was never disbanded, they only changed luietenants. they never claimed they were closing operations, they only said that since tompolo et al. accepted amnesty, that they are launching new guys as commanders.
if JRC was approached earlier by IBB why are they not on trial for aiding and abbetting, conspiracy to commit murder since they did not bother to report to the authorities? so they knew who was behind warri bombings? and they didnt come forward? yeah right!

How did u get my alias quoted on something I never said? Please do a recheck and you'd find MINDURWORD as the commentator and not me.

mohid:
I completely disagree, as a matter of fact this is a sign of great days ahead. There never has been a time in recent decades where the political elite have been this divided over an issue. Usually the folks that comprise "shareholders" of Nigeria plc agree across all ethnic groups and that’s why it’s easy for them to take the rest of us for a ride. Now that their insatiable greed has separated them along ethnic divides then we are certain the end is near for this class of political rapists that has been plundering our resources over the past 50years.Its a good sign remember "divided we stand united we fall" I would rather this than a scenario where IBB,OBJ,Edwin Clark,Atiku,Anenih and co all agree, that will mean more looting and eventual transfer of power to their children and upcoming protégés.Now all we need to do is sit back and let dog eat dog,then tame the exhausted and outnumbered dog that survives with people power.

While I agree it is a welcome development to have them divded the cabal dear Mohid won't go without a fight, if it means throwing Nigeria into anarchy to keep the status quo then we will witness more and likely get to a threshold before things stabilize. To think otherwise is foolhardy. Atiku, IBB, SARAKI, Ciroma et al have shown by their utterances and possibly October 1 strike action that they won't relinquish power without a fight even if it means pushing us to the brink of another civil war.

king-child:
@kobojunkie
for the sake of clarity and sanity of purpose , can you please confirm your state of origin to the house?

your signature reads suspect and your arguements alike----- (aggressive minorities)
what in the name of God makes them minor to you if i may ask, could it be because  you have two heads?


i have followed your talks and they are all political its reeks of zoning. please tell us the truth. are you one of them that thinks they are born to rule?

hhahahahahahha, i laugh in spanish , cos that time that Nigerian lives in fear in over , no one , i repeat no one is afraid of death anymore

GROW UP!

Vavavoom:
How did u get my alias quoted on something I never said? Please do a recheck and you'd find MINDURWORD as the commentator and not me.

Oooops! Sorry about that. my bad!

Nigerians have never felt the Orchestrating power of "Generals" contesting for presidency, lol,
Now, Nigerians will know that the Military does not dash the title "General"to just anybody, except well trained Planners and executioners to the detail, !
We siddon dey look as events unfold, Peace!!!