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Response To Ad by bellong: 3:21am On Jul 06, 2019
Whatever mistakes Justwise made by deleting posts was just a knock-on effect of the criticism he received for threatening to ban Bellong. Justwise and Bellong had a private chat which these critics weren't privy to. So, if the admin, based on the conversation he had decided to go ahead and ban Bellong, why is that too difficult to respect?


@Goodmemory,

This is your comment on the DIY thread. I am disappointed that you can make an assumption for a fact. In addition, you made hasty conclusion based on a one-sided story. I thought, fair hearing entails that the other party be given an opportunity to present his position before a verdict is passed.


To set the record straight, for a start, I NEVER HAD ANY PRIVATE CHAT WITH THE MODERATOR. Where you got that from, I can't say.

This is my side of the story to put things in perspective as you have crucified me to have flouted rules and deserved a punishment.

Few days ago, I logged on to Nairaland and saw Justwise has posted in the thread accusing me of turning the thread to my personal business among other accusations. He asked that I remove the ad in my signature which he claimed violates rule number 6 (I will address his false interpretation of the rule later). Knowing who he is and I was not ready to engage him in any discussion, I attempted removing the ad in my signature immediately I read his comment but I discovered that he already banned me and I couldn't edit my profile because it greys out. I also couldn't post in any section on the forum like now, so I couldn't let him know that the ban prevents me from editing my signature.

After several tries with no success, I gave up on editing the profile. Thereafter, I had a discussion with Bnimz explaining why I couldn't edit the signature. Bnimz informed Justwise on the Living in Australia thread because he had removed the DIY thread. Despite explanation, Justwise insisted that it is possible and I have to do it before the thread can be released or ban lifted. He didn't change his rigid position until Bnimz volunteered to be banned to test his claim. Bnimz was unable to edit his signature too making my claim true contrary to what Justwise wanted people to believe. It was after that he lifted the ban.

Bnimz informed me that the ban has been lifted, I logged in, edited the signature immediately to remove the ad. After removing the ad, I addressed Justwise false accusation and character assassination against me. He accused me of collecting money from people on the thread before answering their questions. He accused me of turning the thread to my personal business and that I refused to carry out his instructions. I put only one challenge to him. I asked him to point out ONLY ONE PERSON, I collected money from on the thread before I answered his questions. The challenge is to just point out one person I charged on the thread but he hid my post and went ahead to ban me again till 2021 like he did previously. In the post, I also point out my observation about the skills he lacks which will be useful for him in life. I finally addressed the ad accusation based on Nairaland rules.

In all these, I don't understand what I did wrong to justify Justwise's personal attacks against my person calling me a not straightforward person. I have not had any personal dealings with you neither have I exchanged any emails with you. To conclude I am not a straightforward person is way beyond your boundary and it is slanderous. Doing your job as a moderator doesn't come with the right to accuse people falsely or assassinate their character. If you were objective and sincere with what you did, you should have left the only post I made on this matter. You hid the post but went ahead to tell lies about the turn of events knowing well that I had no opportunity to present my version which is verifiable.

My challenge still stands, please name just one person that I collected money from. If you don't or can't, you owe me an apology. I will not address your handling of this issue because you have shown to be not capable of engaging in logical and intellectual discussion.


To address the supposed rule flouted. There are 22 rules governing operations on Nairaland. These rules are not specific to a section, they are sitewide rules.

Rule no 6 states: "6. Don't post adverts or affiliate links outside the areas where adverts are explicitly allowed."
This rule 6 does not exist in isolation, you need to read subsequent rules to under the "explicitly allowed" areas for ads. The rule also shows that free ads are allowed in certain areas.

Rule no 12 states -
"12. Don't insert signatures into your posts. Instead, add the desired signature to your profile."

The rule clearly states "Desired Signature". I never posted ads in the wrong areas but I chose my desired signature which is protected by Nairaland rules but Justwise took offence with my signature. I didn't not post an advert on the thread and I wouldn't because I understand the rules and I am always for upholding the rules. Nowhere in the 22 rules says anything against ad in the signature. Reading through all sections on Nairaland including the travel, thousands of people have ads in their signature and they have not been banned by mods or supermods to show they didn't violate any rule. People get banned because they post advert in comments and wrong threads. Saying I violated a rule is uncalled for. Despite this, I agreed to remove the ad from my signature which I did but it wasn't enough for him but to attack my person.

I think it is more than the supposed broken rules. If you have anything against me, you should be able to address it than hiding behind a rule to attack my character.

I believe no one is indispensable and I have never acted or make people believe I am indispensable. I am confident that the thread will move on without me as it was before me. However, I believe credit should be given where it is deserved. To some, the best way for Justwise to go about this issue is to attack my personality, ban me without giving me opportunity to fair hearing and also to talk down on people with contrary opinion. If I didn't know about the rules, the best option is to give an opportunity for me to correct the error or mistake and not just pass a verdict in addition with derogatory comments and character assassination. It is pathetic to say the least.

I still maintain my position, I don't care if I am banned, but I do care if he removed the thread. The thread doesn't belong to me. It is a collective efforts of different people who have contributed their personal experiences. Deleting a thread because of the alleged offence of one person is taking decision too far. As it is, part 1 of the thread is still hidden which shouldn't be so. I will make it clear, the thread doesn't belong to me, it belongs to every single person that contributed on it, so you have no right to remove the thread.

This is my position. I have many things to say but Will keep them to myself.

I am still banned from posting in the travel section which is why I am putting the post here. I need to set the record straight against all the accusations, assumptions and derogatory opinions.

CC:

Bnimz
Funso
Mamajazz
Alphadoor
Ugsams
iammiracle1
Bamz
Sweetg
Embassy4u
Catchdwind4rmkd
Dodirtslikeworms
Afosahid
Farnet
tomimy1
Victor 54
Akari01
Experience 4u
btsnm
Felixz01
Fatima04
Xkoba
Bogeyman007
Donpaulo44

These are all the monikers I can see that contributed to the story. The others are hidden.

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Re: Response To Ad by Bnimz(m): 6:23am On Jul 06, 2019
The way people jump to judge without hearing both sides of the story just tire me.
But what can I say... Na wetin dey reign now.

Good thing the matter don balance now..

Las las, Decapitation is not the cure for headache.

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Re: Response To Ad by iammiracle1(m): 7:14am On Jul 06, 2019
Wow, its well sir, your points are very consice & verifiable, i hope oga Justwise does the right thing and puts this matter to bed.

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Re: Response To Ad by justwise(m): 7:22am On Jul 06, 2019
bellong:



@Goodmemory,

This is your comment on the DIY thread. I am disappointed that you can make an assumption for a fact. In addition, you made hasty conclusion based on a one-sided story. I thought, fair hearing entails that the other party be given an opportunity to present his position before a verdict is passed.


To set the record straight, for a start, I NEVER HAD ANY PRIVATE CHAT WITH THE MODERATOR. Where you got that from, I can't say.

This is my side of the story to put things in perspective as you have crucified me to have flouted rules and deserved a punishment.

Few days ago, I logged on to Nairaland and saw Justwise has posted in the thread accusing me of turning the thread to my personal business among other accusations. He asked that I remove the ad in my signature which he claimed violates rule number 6 (I will address his false interpretation of the rule later). Knowing who he is and I was not ready to engage him in any discussion, I attempted removing the ad in my signature immediately I read his comment but I discovered that he already banned me and I couldn't edit my profile because it greys out. I also couldn't post in any section on the forum like now, so I couldn't let him know that the ban prevents me from editing my signature.

After several tries with no success, I gave up on editing the profile. Thereafter, I had a discussion with Bnimz explaining why I couldn't edit the signature. Bnimz informed Justwise on the Living in Australia thread because he had removed the DIY thread. Despite explanation, Justwise insisted that it is possible and I have to do it before the thread can be released or ban lifted. He didn't change his rigid position until Bnimz volunteered to be banned to test his claim. Bnimz was unable to edit his signature too making my claim true contrary to what Justwise wanted people to believe. It was after that he lifted the ban.

Bnimz informed me that the ban has been lifted, I logged in, edited the signature immediately to remove the ad. After removing the ad, I addressed Justwise false accusation and character assassination against me. He accused me of collecting money from people on the thread before answering their questions. He accused me of turning the thread to my personal business and that I refused to carry out his instructions. I put only one challenge to him. I asked him to point out ONLY ONE PERSON, I collected money from on the thread before I answered his questions. The challenge is to just point out one person I charged on the thread but he hid my post and went ahead to ban me again till 2021 like he did previously. In the post, I also point out my observation about the skills he lacks which will be useful for him in life. I finally addressed the ad accusation based on Nairaland rules.

In all these, I don't understand what I did wrong to justify Justwise's personal attacks against my person calling me a not straightforward person. I have not had any personal dealings with you neither have I exchanged any emails with you. To conclude I am not a straightforward person is way beyond your boundary and it is slanderous. Doing your job as a moderator doesn't come with the right to accuse people falsely or assassinate their character. If you were objective and sincere with what you did, you should have left the only post I made on this matter. You hid the post but went ahead to tell lies about the turn of events knowing well that I had no opportunity to present my version which is verifiable.

My challenge still stands, please name just one person that I collected money from. If you don't or can't, you owe me an apology. I will not address your handling of this issue because you have shown to be not capable of engaging in logical and intellectual discussion.


To address the supposed rule flouted. There are 22 rules governing operations on Nairaland. These rules are not specific to a section, they are sitewide rules.

Rule no 6 states: "6. Don't post adverts or affiliate links outside the areas where adverts are explicitly allowed."
This rule 6 does not exist in isolation, you need to read subsequent rules to under the "explicitly allowed" areas for ads. The rule also shows that free ads are allowed in certain areas.

Rule no 12 states -
"12. Don't insert signatures into your posts. Instead, add the desired signature to your profile."

The rule clearly states "Desired Signature". I never posted ads in the wrong areas but I chose my desired signature which is protected by Nairaland rules but Justwise took offence with my signature. I didn't not post an advert on the thread and I wouldn't because I understand the rules and I am always for upholding the rules. Nowhere in the 22 rules says anything against ad in the signature. Reading through all sections on Nairaland including the travel, thousands of people have ads in their signature and they have not been banned by mods or supermods to show they didn't violate any rule. People get banned because they post advert in comments and wrong threads. Saying I violated a rule is uncalled for. Despite this, I agreed to remove the ad from my signature which I did but it wasn't enough for him but to attack my person.

I think it is more than the supposed broken rules. If you have anything against me, you should be able to address it than hiding behind a rule to attack my character.

I believe no one is indispensable and I have never acted or make people believe I am indispensable. I am confident that the thread will move on without me as it was before me. However, I believe credit should be given where it is deserved. To some, the best way for Justwise to go about this issue is to attack my personality, ban me without giving me opportunity to fair hearing and also to talk down on people with contrary opinion. If I didn't know about the rules, the best option is to give an opportunity for me to correct the error or mistake and not just pass a verdict in addition with derogatory comments and character assassination. It is pathetic to say the least.

I still maintain my position, I don't care if I am banned, but I do care if he removed the thread. The thread doesn't belong to me. It is a collective efforts of different people who have contributed their personal experiences. Deleting a thread because of the alleged offence of one person is taking decision too far. As it is, part 1 of the thread is still hidden which shouldn't be so. I will make it clear, the thread doesn't belong to me, it belongs to every single person that contributed on it, so you have no right to remove the thread.

This is my position. I have many things to say but Will keep them to myself.

I am still banned from posting in the travel section which is why I am putting the post here. I need to set the record straight against all the accusations, assumptions and derogatory opinions.

CC:

Bnimz
Funso
Mamajazz
Alphadoor
Ugsams
iammiracle1
Bamz
Sweetg
Embassy4u
Catchdwind4rmkd
Dodirtslikeworms
Afosahid
Farnet
tomimy1
Victor 54
Akari01
Experience 4u
btsnm
Felixz01
Fatima04
Xkoba
Bogeyman007
Donpaulo44

These are all the monikers I can see that contributed to the story. The others are hidden.

You just lied to people (unfortunately majority of them will believe you), Goodmemory was not far from the truth apart from the private chat comment.


Yes you advertised in that thread and dropped an email address linked to an immigration service website, you stated it clearly on your signature and your profile that you will charge for consultation, that is called an advertisement( rule number 6)

Don't you think that it makes no sense to challenge me to point out one person you collected money from? Did you advertise your services for charity? Does it become an ad when you collected money from people who contacted you?


Rule number 6 is clear and apart from that..there is a polite warning in red that says:Please do not post adverts in this section, to avoid being banned each time you quote or reply a post you will see it on top of the text-box.

So you do not need additional reminder about the rules or clarification.

You have been here for almost 10yrs the same year i joined nairaland and i never place ban on you until few days ago, i did not call you not straightforward human being as you falsely stated, you called me names..apparently i ack the capacity to engage in a reasonable and intellectual discussion.
Re: Response To Ad by justwise(m): 7:27am On Jul 06, 2019
iammiracle1:
Wow, its well sir, your points are very consice & verifiable, i hope oga Justwise does the right thing and puts this matter to bed.

Which point is verifiable?
Re: Response To Ad by iammiracle1(m): 8:19am On Jul 06, 2019
justwise:


Which point is verifiable?

The points he made, of banning and not editing, rules flouted loopholes etc grin

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Re: Response To Ad by justwise(m): 8:22am On Jul 06, 2019
iammiracle1:


The points he made, of banning and not editing, rules flouted loopholes etc grin

He had enough time to edit his profile before the ban, it was his decision not to edit it before the ban.
Re: Response To Ad by btsnm(m): 8:39am On Jul 06, 2019
All is well that ends well. Let all bans be lifted, let there be peace and let's move on peacefully for the benefit of all. Thanks to both parties for showing maturity.
Re: Response To Ad by farnet: 8:40am On Jul 06, 2019
Wow!. I was typing this post below but sleep knocked me off b4 i could post it. I need not say more again.

The fact of bellong flouting the rules is even a subject of adjudication in the 1st instance. In his post just after he was unbanned to come n delete the said ad, that's b4 this latest ban, he raised some defense lines which seems logical. The said rule in contest may afterall be ambiguous, subject to different interpretations n may not have captured his alleged wrongdoing. That post was immediately deleted , otherwise we could HV critically look at it and then judge. That's by the way.
My grudge is about the poor management of the issue. It seems like a bottled anger n like one waiting for an opportunity to do away with someone. Even if to the least in a group or organisation, a disciplinary action always comes after a query with this usual line "...this is the case against you, you have so so grace time to tell us why a disciplinary action should not be taken against you". By his person n contributions here, he in the least, deserves such n much more respect. Then come again the effort as to belittling his contributions and the person he has become to us here. For the sake of the people here, he came back to do what he was asked to.

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Re: Response To Ad by farnet: 8:59am On Jul 06, 2019
I will plead that we all esp @ justwise n @bellong, let go all these fusses. If not for anything, for the people in that thread looking up to u our ogas. Even if a rule is indeed flouted, laws are made to serve the people. I believe people can ask for any desirable outcome like they asked for the release of a known criminal barabas. We the people here therefore apologizes for any untoward, insulting, disrespectful, belittling, comments n posts made by and against anybody, and plead that we all sheath our swords, forgive n forget n let the thread move forward. We also unanimously beg u @ justwise to let go n unban bellong for the sake of us here. No one is yes indispensable, but we just need every good hand n head here. This thread is very critical in many ways to make a single mistake.

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Re: Response To Ad by akari01: 9:11am On Jul 06, 2019
@justwise,
We have read from both sides.
We have noted errors from both sides.
Can we end this amicably?
As you can see, the thread is moving on with people already giving guidance to questions asked, so we know the thread will survive with or without @bellong.
Why not reinstate his access to the group, if he so wishes to still contribute? People who are just joining the train will gain from his experience and knowledge, not as a stand-alone “know-all” as you had opined, but as a contributor just like everyone else.
And thank you for posting decently on here; i appreciate that its devoid of insults.
Thank you also for doing your bit as moderator and upholding the rules. Please look at the rules again and plug the loopholes too.

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Re: Response To Ad by catchdwind4rmkd(m): 9:16am On Jul 06, 2019
@Justwise
Your attitude is really becoming unbearable for me.
What's this about deleting all my posts?

I have tried time and again to make sure my posts do not infringe the rules of this forum; yet you kept deleting every post I make because they do not support your views.

What exactly is wrong with my posts, especially the last one? Could you please allow me freely express myself? And if you're bent on shutting me up by all means, then let me know so I can use my time for something else. This is really becoming annoying to say the least. Are you intentionally trying to provoke me to break a rule so you can ban me too?

I have said it again and again, on this issue, I'll never support you. And this is solely based on how you've handled this issue so far and your actions against those that do not agree with you; it has nothing to do with your person.

You're human, and are bound to make mistakes in your decisions. Why not just accept your mistake, apologize and let's all move on from this. It does not in anyway affect your many good works on the Nairaland forum.

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Re: Response To Ad by justwise(m): 9:42am On Jul 06, 2019
akari01:
@justwise,
We have read from both sides.
We have noted errors from both sides.
Can we end this amicably?
As you can see, the thread is moving on with people already giving guidance to questions asked, so we know the thread will survive with or without @bellong.
Why not reinstate his access to the group, if he so wishes to still contribute? People who are just joining the train will gain from his experience and knowledge, not as a stand-alone “know-all” as you had opined, but as a contributor just like everyone else.
And thank you for posting decently on here; i appreciate that its devoid of insults.
Thank you also for doing your bit as moderator and upholding the rules. Please look at the rules again and plug the loopholes too.

I did not make that rule, in fact i wan't even a mod when those rules were made and there is nothing wrong with those rules.

No advertisement means no advertisement whether you put it on your signature or post it in threads it serves the same purpose .

His ban has been reduced to 4days and i'm pretty sure that this is going happen again as some people deliberately refused to accept the reality.


There are other people involved in the immigration partnership hence the drama this issue generated.

People get banned for the same offence and they remove the ad and ban removed so nothing new here.
Re: Response To Ad by justwise(m): 10:18am On Jul 06, 2019
The hypocrisy of many here is unbelievable, they have planned to move that thread to another forum years ago.

Alphadoor:
Hi Aussie Fam,
With support from the chief himself , Sir bellong,
There is a proposal to move this thread away from NL to an independent forum.

This will enable us interact better and track posts effectively.
Feature will include but not limited to

-better tracking of each NOC information.
-categorisation of each subject matter
-Easy navigation for new comers
-Archivable content.
-Avoid repetition of same issue over and over again, we can have "how to sections" for most used assessing bodies.
-profile progress tracking
-ITA dates countdown.
-
......and so much more.

This site will require all our effects to thrive as a community and this will require commitments from some users to acts as mods and supermods and champions
I have to warn that this new community will not be a walk in the park but it will be an interesting walk for us all.

Suggestion for site new is needed.
Volunteer for Mods, Supermods, and champions (People with vast knowledge of a particular assessing authority)

The idea is to have a platform like [url]www.migrati.. that will be information rich

Please note that nothing has been concluded or decided yet. this is just an idea for us to consider





This has being their plans since 2017 and now they are crying foul pretending as if they love that thread so much.


Many of them supporting bellong including bellong himself supported the idea of moving that thread from nairaland to another forum.


So far only Bnimz had a different view on it here:
Bnimz:
The Nairaland forum should be maintained though.. A new site won't be as popular as Nairaland... Plus this forum has helped a lot of lives.. A new site can be created but this one needs to remain as well .... Just my opinion
Re: Response To Ad by catchdwind4rmkd(m): 12:52pm On Jul 06, 2019
I really wish you can go past this.

The post you shared is completely invalid in defending your actions. The suggestion was to continue the thread elsewhere with the aim of making things easier for newbies. It was made following a strong debate on how newbies were treated by asking them to go and read from page 1 of a thread with over 350 pages.

Contrary to your claims, only couple of newbies replied in support, others (including Alphadoor) said maintain Nairaland even if a new site is created while some solidly defended continuing on Nairaland. Everyone commented based on either "making life easier for new users" or "ensuring sustainability, acknowledging the help Nairaland offers to many and its popularity, etc." In the end, the idea was dropped because the people's choice was respected. I'm even surprised you're bringing up this, I can't even see its relevance in the subject matter. The post only attracted 9 likes, which obviously was to acknowledge an idea that was aimed at making things easier for people. The number of likes on most posts on the thread should tell you that the post you've made reference to didn't get any support. So, there's no such thing as many here. It's been 2yrs since then, no such site was created and the thread is still very active.

@Iceberg has replied your earlier post on the wrong thread. He pointed you to: Please note that nothing has been concluded or decided yet. this is just an idea for us to consider

I expect you to delete your post in the main thread so as not to contradict yourself. You deleted my post and advised us not to further derail the thread and make comments here instead, yet you went on to make more inciteful posts.

Do not try to change the subject. The bone of contention here is the way the ban was executed and actions that followed afterwards.

The fact that you're bent on discrediting people / causing defamation is not good IMO. Whoever wants to confirm what Justwise is claiming by sharing this post, please click on the name of the post and go directly to the post. Then, read the post itself carefully to understand it, and finally read any reply to that post and other relating posts before forming an opinion. You have to put things in context rather than make conclusions on mere quotes.

justwise:
The hypocrisy of many here is unbelievable, they have planned to move that thread to another forum years ago.

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Re: Response To Ad by Xkoba: 1:10pm On Jul 06, 2019
This actually reflects how myopic and immature Justwise is.. I'm categorically saying here YOU ARE NOT FIT TO LEAD
justwise:
The hypocrisy of many here is unbelievable, they have planned to move that thread to another forum years ago.



This has being their plans since 2017 and now they are crying foul pretending as if they love that thread so much.


Many of them supporting bellong including bellong himself supported the idea of moving that thread from nairaland to another forum.


So far only Bnimz had a different view on it here:

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Re: Response To Ad by Nobody: 4:05pm On Jul 06, 2019
@Justwise, your own too much sef always forming nonsense boss, na you be Oluwaseun? you wan make them begin beg you abi taa get lost jor. nobody wen no de make mistake if really bellong did anything. people here don talk still you de de form boss. who you help Justwise? ban me make body tell you.

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Re: Response To Ad by akari01: 5:45pm On Jul 06, 2019
@justwise, for real
Kai!!
You are just impossible.....wey we dey hail say you don handle the matter wella comot am from the thread so that the thread can move on?
Wetin?
See, from what you mentioned on the thread, visa cannot be tracked on nairaland. Info cannot be sourced if you don’t start from page 1 or ask questions again...i suffered that here and i can tell you i easily found resources on expatforum, pomsinoz and the rest. What’s bad if such is proposed, except you feel its a personal attack on NL. It doesn’t reduce the relevance of NL. It won’t.
Haba, guy.
Let this rest.

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Re: Response To Ad by justwise(m): 5:58pm On Jul 06, 2019
akari01:
@justwise, for real
Kai!!
You are just impossible.....wey we dey hail say you don handle the matter wella comot am from the thread so that the thread can move on?
Wetin?
See, from what you mentioned on the thread, visa cannot be tracked on nairaland. Info cannot be sourced if you don’t start from page 1 or ask questions again...i suffered that here and i can tell you i easily found resources on expatforum, pomsinoz and the rest. What’s bad if such is proposed, except you feel its a personal attack on NL. It doesn’t reduce the relevance of NL. It won’t.
Haba, guy.
Let this rest.

So you think i'm doing all these because of what? Do i make a penny from nairaland? How will taking traffic away from nairaland help this forum? Do you know how websites attract advertisement?

Visa and info can be sourced if somebody is willing to keep track and update it then re-post it as the thread moves from page to page. This is what members in Canadian student visa thread are doing and in US visa thread they achieved all interview transcripts posts and update it then the link will be available in first page.

If you are Seun will you be happy to have a thread here moved to another forum?
Re: Response To Ad by ugsams(m): 1:03am On Jul 07, 2019
@Bellong

Thank you for calling my attention to this post. It's good that you got a chance to clarify your view and position on this issue, at least everyone who reads this is able to see things from your own view.

I also understand how it feels when despite all your efforts to protect and uphold your integrity then for some reason, the same integrity is being put to doubt or questioned. However, in all of these, the people stood behind you unconditionally except for maybe a few. This should go a long way in reaffirming your integrity because I strongly believe that the opinion of the people should be an accurate guage to measure up integrity.

At this stage, I will plead with you to let go of all grievances and come back to the community again. I remember on some occasions where people tried to talk you down on the thread, you were able to rise above the negativity and still carried on with your act of selflessness. As Justwise has mentioned that he has reduced your ban to 4 days, please just let go and let's move on. Remember who suffers when two elephants are fighting?


@Justwise, thank you too for your compromise by reducing the ban duration. It shows a lot of maturity. However, I plead with you to also let go of this case, with time everything shall be forgotten and we will move on. You will definitely agree with me that if you look beyond this issue at hand that Bellong has been an awesome guy. It's not easy to be a law enforcement or in the position of judgement especially one where you have to act based on your understanding or interpretation of a law or rules. With no doubt, you have contributed so much to the travel section that at a point, I started thinking if you are a BOT... lol
Thanks for your awesome work and thanks for your compromise...


At this point, please let's move on as a team and family we are.

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Re: Response To Ad by bellong: 1:25am On Jul 07, 2019
@all,

Thank you.

I hold no grudge against the moderator and still have no ill feelings. Whatever happened doesn't worth my time to dwell on or keep a grudge. It is the least of my worries. However, I am unsure of his own agenda because of subsequent turn of events. Digging up posts from 2017 and making erroneous judgement on the said posts shows there is a personal vendetta going on which many are oblivious of. I never expected that this will result to going back to two years posts to raise another round of accusations. This is beyond just breaking a supposed rule.

As it stands, Alphadoor has been banned for the suggestion he made in 2017. Catchdwind4rmkd has also been banned. Those are the two I am aware of. There is possibility that many more have been banned. If you want to ban people who are providing strategic guidance and yet wants the thread to flourish, how counterproductive is that? I don't know how we will be able to assist people when majority of those we rely on to respond to some questions are already banned for no just cause.

If you want me out of Nairaland, you can make your stand known clearly and we know where we stand. If you have a score to settle aside this flouted rule, you can also indicate.

For the umpteenth time, I have done nothing wrong and I don't care if you dig out my past posts in isolation to clutch on straws about your position. Whatever post you want to dig, just ensure that you dig the posts in context with discussion prior and after it to give your audience a befitting entertainment.

Irrespective of what you claim, my challenge still stands, name ONE person I collected money from on Nairaland and this challenge I also put to other users. Anybody that I have ever collected money from, can come forward with the evidence.

This will be my last post on this matter moving forward. I will not dignify you with a response anymore except you bring one person from the thread that I collected money from with evidence. I will do the right thing to apologise.

For the record, the ban was reduced by a supermod and not him.

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Re: Response To Ad by iammiracle1(m): 6:46am On Jul 07, 2019
Hmm, nah wa o, i think say this matter don die? Wetin bring up post of 2017 wey just be simple suggestion? me sef neva dey NL d@ time, lemme move jeje b4 dem ban me join undecided

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Re: Response To Ad by elothaddi(m): 10:21pm On Jul 07, 2019
I support you @ Bellong and thank you for all your assistance. No mind am

bellong:
@all,

Thank you.

I hold no grudge against the moderator and still have no ill feelings. Whatever happened doesn't worth my time to dwell on or keep a grudge. It is the least of my worries. However, I am unsure of his own agenda because of subsequent turn of events. Digging up posts from 2017 and making erroneous judgement on the said posts shows there is a personal vendetta going on which many are oblivious of. I never expected that this will result to going back to two years posts to raise another round of accusations. This is beyond just breaking a supposed rule.

As it stands, Alphadoor has been banned for the suggestion he made in 2017. Catchdwind4rmkd has also been banned. Those are the two I am aware of. There is possibility that many more have been banned. If you want to ban people who are providing strategic guidance and yet wants the thread to flourish, how counterproductive is that? I don't know how we will be able to assist people when majority of those we rely on to respond to some questions are already banned for no just cause.

If you want me out of Nairaland, you can make your stand known clearly and we know where we stand. If you have a score to settle aside this flouted rule, you can also indicate.

For the umpteenth time, I have done nothing wrong and I don't care if you dig out my past posts in isolation to clutch on straws about your position. Whatever post you want to dig, just ensure that you dig the posts in context with discussion prior and after it to give your audience a befitting entertainment.

Irrespective of what you claim, my challenge still stands, name ONE person I collected money from on Nairaland and this challenge I also put to other users. Anybody that I have ever collected money from, can come forward with the evidence.

This will be my last post on this matter moving forward. I will not dignify you with a response anymore except you bring one person from the thread that I collected money from with evidence. I will do the right thing to apologise.

For the record, the ban was reduced by a supermod and not him.

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Re: Response To Ad by Experience4u(m): 11:17pm On Jul 07, 2019
My handle was copied and this is my response. Belong is a nice man with heart of gold. He thinks no ill for persons, reason why he finds out time to direct us and awaken our spirit in this journey. If not for him and some others which he has raised, i wouldn't have known that migrating to Aussie is achievable. They say a man is remembered when he is gone by his works. Bellong is still alive but we recount his good deeds.
Justwise Pls don't be like king Nebukadneza (if I got the spelling correct) who failed to take any reprimand until he was turned into a beast. Where is king Rochas or the CONSTITUTED AUTHORITY of Oyo?
Pls bury the hatchet so we can move on. You can see you got minute supporters in this squabble, indicating you over reacted and had a poor judgmental reasoning to this matter.
Bellong Pls forgive
Justwise Pls forgive.

Let's move on.

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Re: Response To Ad by GoodMemory: 2:32am On Jul 08, 2019
Alphadoor:
@Justwise

Here we are again

While I had decided not to feed your frenzy anymore on this issue and posted latest update on visa 489 to 491 on the DIY thread and was planning on breaking down the new law to everyone.
However, you had decided to further your agenda by moving to assassinate my character and discredit my handle, to the extent that you combed through every one of my 960 post on nairaland to find dirt on me and afterwards, you narrowed and clinched on my post from 2017 and proceeded with a ban till 2021 for the travel section and a two days’ general ban via the antispam bot which was invoked by yourself. This action furthers bring your character and power use into question.

I still don’t want to feed your frenzy at this point, because this abuse of power is obviously coming from a deeper place and I will like not be an Alice (wonderland) at this point.

I urge you to kindly retract/delete your statement assassinating and discrediting my character in the shortest time possible and re-instate my handle with full access. I won’t stand cyberbullying.

@goodmemory @embassy4u, I hope you both have a perspicacious response to this line of action

I wonder who is next on the gallows.

This is also my last post on this matter moving forward.
I will not aggrandize your ego and motive with a response anymore.

May you find Peace

-Alphadoor-

I do not understand what your verbose rant is all about.

You wrote on DIY that "Majority has admitted bellong flouted the rules" . Is my position any different from yours? Infact, is this statement of yours not against Bellong's stance that he did not flout any rule?

I do not understand why grown a$$ men will choose to bicker over a matter that would have been solved if we simply chose to respect constituted rules and regulations.

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Re: Response To Ad by akari01: 12:48pm On Jul 08, 2019
@justwise,
Except there’s more gist or deleted discussions, nothing suggested moving a thread out of here. Infact the more i thought of it, the more it makes sense to have something like that of the Indians specifically for skilled migration, instead of us going to their websites for ‘sorted’ info. Think about it, it will work well for NL, cos the traffic gets generated here first, if you are open to it. Also, know that Nobody holds the monopoly to ideas, esp in this age.

And the way this matter has been handled may actually drive the traffic outta here, if the people who are major contributors are banned, reason this thing well o. Na the people wey dey generate the traffic you dey ban so o.

.

justwise:


So you think i'm doing all these because of what? Do i make a penny from nairaland? How will taking traffic away from nairaland help this forum? Do you know how websites attract advertisement?

Visa and info can be sourced if somebody is willing to keep track and update it then re-post it as the thread moves from page to page. This is what members in Canadian student visa thread are doing and in US visa thread they achieved all interview transcripts posts and update it then the link will be available in first page.

If you are Seun will you be happy to have a thread here moved to another forum?



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Re: Response To Ad by justwise(m): 12:51pm On Jul 08, 2019
akari01:
@justwise,
Except there’s more gist or deleted discussions, nothing suggested moving a thread out of here.
Infact the more i thought of it, the more it makes sense to have something like that of the Indians specifically for skilled migration, instead of us going to their websites for ‘sorted’ info. Think about it, it will work well for NL, cos the traffic gets generated here first, if you are open to it. Also, know that Nobody holds the monopoly to ideas, esp in this age.

And the way this matter has been handled may actually drive the traffic outta here, if the people who are major contributors are banned, reason this thing well o. Na the people wey dey generate the traffic you dey ban so o.

.



Alphadoor:
Hi Aussie Fam,
With support from the chief himself , Sir bellong,
There is a proposal to move this thread away from NL to an independent forum.

This will enable us interact better and track posts effectively.
Feature will include but not limited to

-better tracking of each NOC information.
-categorisation of each subject matter
-Easy navigation for new comers
-Archivable content.
-Avoid repetition of same issue over and over again, we can have "how to sections" for most used assessing bodies.
-profile progress tracking
-ITA dates countdown.
-
......and so much more.

This site will require all our effects to thrive as a community and this will require commitments from some users to acts as mods and supermods and champions
I have to warn that this new community will not be a walk in the park but it will be an interesting walk for us all.

Suggestion for site new is needed.
Volunteer for Mods, Supermods, and champions (People with vast knowledge of a particular assessing authority)

The idea is to have a platform like [url]www.migrati.. that will be information rich

Please note that nothing has been concluded or decided yet. this is just an idea for us to consider




Re: Response To Ad by elothaddi(m): 7:45pm On Jul 08, 2019
This is very Childish. I still don't expect this from you.

justwise:
[b]


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Re: Response To Ad by pacificman: 11:19am On Jul 10, 2019
justwise was defeated in that Brazilian thread and he banned everyone that had a different view including me and his modus of operandi is..he would ban you and then start rresponding to you knowing fully well that you cant defend yourself because he banned you already i even feel bad that you had to return to the thread after the humiliation from justwise,i mean your life dont depend on that thread because you are a made man and anybody that want to reach you can pm you and they can ask their question,they use you to generate traffic and they dont want you to make a penny,even the justwise traveled to the Uk on student visa and he never returned to nigeria.i know they hurt your feelings because that guy can talk behind his keyboard and lastly justwise nobody is forcing you to work for nairaland for free because you keep crying that you work for free and dont make a penny,i know you are pained that nairaland is making all this money and they dont give you nothing,dude create your own forum and are you not ashamed to be on nairaland for all these years and not achieve anything for yourself its time to hang your boots and trust me your legacy as a nairaland mod is 0 and bellong is quite popular and he can create his own blog and yes thats an advise for you bellong,imagine justwise crying about traffic and you talk to people anyhow,we the people are the customers and you have to treat us right and with respect.justiwse have finally been humbled by we the people.lol.i bet he cried..you cant ban me because you already did that.lol..God is not a wicked God..imagine if justwise is the owner of nairaland..lol..just imagine that

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Re: Response To Ad by EbonyCy(f): 11:20am On Jul 10, 2019
Pls Oga moderator or whoever in charge...help my life by opening thread 1 so that I can start reading and understand better I'm lost reading thread 2...pls don't let my village people succeed ,I must leave Nigeria by force by thunder�

I studied human anatomy
31years old single
I have never worked in any organization before hence no job experience�
I have a skill shoe/bag making,I sustain myself with
Please do I have a chance,can I leave this country...

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Re: Response To Ad by iammiracle1(m): 7:58pm On Jul 10, 2019
Our thread is dying, i just noticed all those blasting bellong hardly answer questions indepth like he does, i remember always bookmarking his answers to refer asap when i need them, its not fair #bringbackbellong


grin Anyways my sister has his mail so i am covered goodluck to those newbies that may feel lost tongue...

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