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Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Kenturkey048(m): 5:43pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
otokx:"we are not aware"? |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 5:49pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Kenturkey048: What kind of P.O are you, if you dont know that is is prohibitted BY LAW and therefore illegal, to transmit election result ELECTRONICALLY.....even after your (INEC) Chairman said Servers have been taken offline, , just before the elections?x l think all P.O's and RATECH like you who transmitted election result electronically, should write down their details, so INEC can give them COMPENSATION for a good job. 1 Like |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Kenturkey048(m): 5:53pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Daboomb:okay Sir....bye bye.. 1 Like |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 5:59pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Kenturkey048: Honestly Sir, I am not partisan in this matter because l always look at issues from the pontof view of THE LAW (since it is the court that will decide eventually!). I heard INEC Chairman issue a Press Statement that INEC SERVERS will be offline for the Presidential election and he gave two reasons. 1) Amended electoral Law which suggested electronic/Server use, hasnot been SIGNED into law by Mr. President 2) INEC has got wind that "some actors" have commissioned HACKERS to hack into the Server (reasoin Mr. President refuse to sign the Bill inot law) and manipulate the election result. So, who is in the best position to know whether Server was shutdown, whether Server can be used and Whether Server can RECIEVE election Results electronically, than the INEC Chairman? Mind you, if someone sent an Email to a Server tha is down, it will still say "SENT" but until the Server accepts it and send an "Acknowlegement Packet" (Network guys will understand this part).....the sent message is not declared as RECIEVED! The sent message is just DISCARDED by the Network, after a few "unsucessful tries" to deliver it to the "offlined" Server. Please just think about these points first, before you reply. Edit: Let me also add that INEC has more than FIVE SERVERS for different roles like authentication of voters, computation of results, logistics, etc (though they are all on the same network and can communicate with each other). The SERVER INEC shutdown was the one P.O's were initially supposed to send the election results to, if the "Amended Bill" has been sign into law other Servers remain Online. Also, if say for lack of communication, if a P.O still decides to transmit the results to the "Result Server", which has been taken offline, it will still say "SENT" but be assured that it was not delivered to any Server as that Server is unavailable...and it is still illegal, null and void 3 Likes |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by garfield1: 6:04pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
dadexcel:Ratech trablnsmitting results is illegal |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 6:08pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Kenturkey048: Apologies Sir, l think you might be offended by my choice of words. |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by garfield1: 6:10pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Kenturkey048:That is why the server cant stand |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by lexy2014: 6:15pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
ORIENTATION101: Y shouldn't it b d business of d tribunal? Is INEC by law permitted to carry out illegal activities? If INEC carries out illegal acts, will that not result it compromising? Whether comic relief or not, d law provides 4 it& buhari also availed himself d same platform on 3 different occasions. Was it a comic relief then? |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 6:18pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
decub: The RATECH are specifically "Technical Support" staff to assist other staff to solve problems with hardware (Card readers especially). They are like the I.T staff of a bank, they support other non-technical staff but that does not make them a Cash Officer or Financial Officer who makes and takes finncial decisions. Now, l agree that a RATECH may have been initially told they would transmit election result to a Server and trained on what to do and how to solve related problems.....based on the assumption that the President was going to sign the New Electoral Bill into law. Some of them might even have gone ahead to do so, not minding what the INEC Chair said later! But when it was not signed into Law, INEC chairman knew that it will be Illegal to TRANSMIT any result ELECTRONICALLY (We all know why the president refuse to sign it into law). So, he came on TV and gave a Press Briefing saying that their "Results Server" will be offline as it have become illegal to use it.7he also added the issue of "Hacking" it by some actors. If anyone "transmitted result" to a Server that was offline, it is just an Undelivered message and it will be discarded by the Network See, l know what we all want (For INEC to be proved wrong), that would have been poetic justice. But we must disabuse our mind and look at it from a legal angle because that is what the Supreme Court will look at, not sentiments. |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by lexy2014: 6:18pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
garfield1: Y did buhari not rest in 2003,2007&2011 when he availed himself d same tribunal which atiku is availaing himself today? If people in INEC use their office to carry out what u call illegal acts, u mean that there are no laws that spell out punitive measures for so doing? |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by dadexcel: 6:21pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
garfield1:.....ok..noted bro. In order words the INEC appointment letter for all RATECHS are illegal appointments...which still portends illegality and in law, you cannot achieve legality through illegal means ...so the entire election dutues carried out by these "illegal" INEC employees should be declared a nullity right? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 6:25pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
dadexcel: This is not true! Read my post above, to explain why l said so. "Appointment", "Specified Dutie" and "what was actually done on election day", are three separate issues affecting a RATECH person. 1 Like |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 6:27pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
lexy2014: Certainly there are PUNISHMENT for erring Electoral officers, including the INEC chairman himself. But what ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES are you referring to, that you said INEC Staff carried out? 1 Like |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by tuniski: 6:28pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Daboomb:It is not prohibited please. |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Nobody: 6:29pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Daboomb: |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by RTSC: 6:35pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
garfield1:How can you claim a serious constitutional breach is not a criminal offense? Something that can decide the fate of a presidential election and set the country in anarchy. The tribunal is not needed to execute commensurate Justice. The moment they invalidate the role of the RATECH, mamoud should automatically be charged to court by the CCB and ICPC for criminal charges. |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 6:36pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Spallanzani: I am just surprised at how these people are jumping to coclusions. Please help me confirm the following issues to them, they just cant seem to grab the issue at stake: - There can be more than one Server, serving different purposes in an organisation. - Election result Server, according to INEC Chairman, was put offline for the Presidential election (as usage will be illegal under the 2015 electoral Act) - "SENDing" information and "DELIVERY/DELIVERED" of the same information are two different things and a lot of other things can happen in-betwen - Election result can be "SENT" but the only way to CONFIRM it is delivered, is if an AKNPWLEGEMENT PACKET was sent to the Sender - If a Server was downintentionally (Powered Down or just taken Offline) and you send information to it, it wont be DELIVERED to that Server. - The Sender would still see SENT on their device, meanwhile, The SENT PACKETS will just be DISCARDED in due course. The ignorance of most of these people that voted for Atiku and want him to win by all means, is legendary! 1 Like |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Nobody: 6:37pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Daboomb: You have been arguing intelligently before now. Don't add what is not there to it. INEC chairman never came out to say INEC Server will be shutdown. I'll like you to post a link of where he said that. Even till now, INEC is still denying the existence of the so-called server. So how can he shutdown what doesn't exist. 2. Buhari refused to sign the 2018 bill due to time constraint according to him. He said the elections were too close. So, I don't know where you got your theory of hackers from. It'll be good if you can provide a link as well. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 6:39pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
tuniski: Do you know which law guided the conduct of the 2019 presidential election? If YES, state it here. After that, Do oyu know that that law PROHIBITS the Electronic transmission of result? If you dont know, l have no business engaging you because it shows that your ignorance is incurable. But you can also show me WHY you say it is not prohibitted, maybe l can also learn something from you. 1 Like |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by teadrake(m): 6:39pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
decub:I served as a presiding officer in the controversial election and I can tell you that it was our sole duty as P.Os to transmit the results obtained by each party electronically via the Smart card reader(I still have the code with me) RaTech had no business transmitting results whatsoever as it wasn't listed in their job description. However,some of our colleagues,after the unimaginable stress couldn't proceed with it and left it with Ratech. Admitting to transmitting the results by Ratech is unfortunate and won't hold substance. 2 Likes |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Lovelive: 6:43pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Brightest04:Do you really think so ? I am not ATIKUlating o |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 6:44pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Buckubuck: Eeehm...Sir. I heard it with my own ears Sir, a day or two before the election. (Server will be offline). I also heard him (and l am sure you also did, that the Amended Electoral bill WAS NOT signed into Law by the President. But if you still insist Sir, that he never said the Server will not be used as election wont, cant and must not be transmitted electronically to/through a Server, can l ask you Sir: What is the position of the Law used to conduct that Presidential election (2015 Elelctoral Act), in relation to the use of an Electronic Server? In that answer lies the position of the INEC chairman. INEC definitely has to deny the existence of "that Server" that Atiku said exists because to not do so it to "self convict" themselves that they broke the Elelctoral Act and to give credence to Atiku! Who does that? It is the burden of the accuser, to provide the evidence to support your claim....you cant be asking the person you accused, to provide evidence to convict themselves, Sir NB: I am trying to see if lcan still get the briefing (I heard it on TV). |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Spallanzani: 6:45pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Daboomb:Bro thanks for buttressing my points, we can only enlighten them or leave them to wallow in their ignorance. |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Lovelive: 6:46pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
ORIENTATION101:You know nothing about how those things work. So please keep cool and watch. |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Nobody: 6:48pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Daboomb: I'll be waiting for your link but until you get that link, know that the position of INEC is that there is no server for collating results If INEC had said the server will be shutdown in public before the elections, I'm sure it will not be stupid enough to now claim that there's no server. In case you don't know, SERAP is already threatening to sue INEC for claiming there's no server when 2.24bn was budgeted for server in their budget presented by INEC for the elections. |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 6:50pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
teadrake: Sir, Can l ask you, as a P.O: Which Law/Act are you aware, that was the guiding law, to the election you presided over. If you are not aware of which one, that is okay as l am also aware that it is not your duty to bother with that part of the election, l just want to have your own opinion on the law. 1 Like |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Nobody: 6:54pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Daboomb: P.Os do not operate with electoral laws. They work based on INEC guidelines given to them. Electoral law no concern PO or APO or RATECH. Also, note that the RATECH did not say he transmitted results. What he said is that it is wrong for any APO to claim that results were not transmitted electronically cause that will mean he did not do his job as instructed by INEC. The aim of the case is to establish that results were transmitted electronically and not whether they followed electoral law or not 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 6:55pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Buckubuck: I will try my best to find it but should l not be successful, your position above that l highlighted, is the same as mine, the only possible difference is "The reason" adduced. (I hope l am correct in that assertion?) So, technically, we both agree that INEC did not use (since there wasn't any Server for collating result) a Server to "electronically transmit" the election results (doing so will contravene the electoral act guiding that election). INEC is not going to contravene the law and indict itself, just to please Atiku or make him win |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Nobody: 7:01pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Daboomb: Sorry to disappoint you. I don't have a position. I'm just telling you that Atiku's team aim to establish that there's another result which is different from the one announced and that INEC have that "authentic" result. The aim is to discredit the electoral process cause if there was indeed electronic transmission of results, the elections then becomes a nullity as an illegality was performed during the process. Thus, INEC is flatly denying the existence of a server unlike you who claimed they shut it down. To deny the existence is to open up an avenue for inspection of the server which is what Atiku asked for recently and which was rejected by the tribunal since it has not yet been determined that INEC indeed has a server. I suggest you wait for things to pan out deeper before we know where the tribunal is tending towards |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Daboomb: 7:01pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Buckubuck: Thank you Sir, you have answered the question, as bolded above. let me just add that it is impossible, for INEC to ask anyone to transmit the result electronically (after they realised, a day to election, that Mr. President has refused assent to the new elelctoral Bill which would have authorised such electronic transmission. To do so is to invalidate the whole election because it would be breaking the existing law, which prohibits the transmission of result electronically. Please read it here: https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/06/20/how-presidential-veto-frustrated-electronic-transfer-of-2019-polls-results/ However, Buhari vetoed the bill, saying some of its provisions would cause confusion for INEC since the elections were too close for their implementation. 1 Like |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by oyatz(m): 7:03pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
I like your response sir. Seun needs to sanitise Nairaland by removing some extreme tribaliststs, foul mouthed and indecent People as well as fraudsters muykem: |
Re: It’s wrong to say results of presidential Poll were not transmitted - INEC Tech by Deepthoughts: 7:03pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
muykem:The witness said he had a letter of appointment from INEC so how would you say his role was not known,let INEC deny his employment then, personally I saw persons that served as technicians during the elections,inec should let Nigerians know the official status of such technicians,were they on voluntary service,employed by INEC or were they imposters?. |
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