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Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by bro4u: 10:46am On Jul 23, 2019
plaindealer:
Btw, must church and religious groups wear military and paramilitary uniforms? Do you have to look like the military to pray to God?

Religion is supposed to be a peaceful activity, not military and violent activity. I just don't get the warped fascination
What's this one saying?? What's the main objective of the military? Isn't it to bring about law and order and to protect? That's what all those church paramilitary also do.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Korllami007: 10:50am On Jul 23, 2019
plaindealer:
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you and your friend are free to start your own Boko Haram thread and discuss your love for Boko Haram till eternity.

Aridin

Your God, Buhari, is a terrorist.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by jeanexx7(m): 10:57am On Jul 23, 2019
This is a edited pictures and not in Nigeria.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Tellemall: 10:58am On Jul 23, 2019
kayroc:
The North doesn't know what they are doing by going after el-Zakzaky at this point. The northern generals that held sway back in the 80s when this thing started did nothing to crush him because he was one of them back then.

Iran has been giving these guys strong funding and Shiism has always been a religion that produces martyrs and praises martyrdom. Some of the first suicide bombers were Shiites and the Ayatollah once described suicide bombs as thier own nuclear weapons.

IPOB would not face Nigerian State security like this. Not even OPC would face police to this extreme. Niger Delta militants only did hit and run raids on soft targets, but these Shiites are going live to Abuja to show themselves. Have we seen this before? Of course not.

What Buhari doesn't understand is that the Shia have always been suicidally brace fighters. They are fighting in Yemen with just AK 47 and camels against Saudi Air Force and have not given up even though thier children are starving to death. These people are like Hydra. Kill one and that death only rallies more to the war.

Zakzaky and IMN has come to stay. When they warned this same Buhari in the 80s about this same Zakzaky, he didn't do anything- he was too busy jailing Igbos and other Southerners. It was Alex Ekwueme he could see to chase around. Now he is here holding Zakzaky because he knows he has no good options here.

If Zakzaky is released, the number of converts to Shiism will grow because not means government backed down. If they kill him, his Shiites will begin suicide attacks.

Stupid APC politicians. When they worked to give Zakzaky weapons in run-up to 2015 elections they didn't know. I hope you still remember that time that Iranians were bursted trying to move container of weapons to Zakzaky during Jonathan era? This was who they wanted to give it to. Instead of Jonathan to go after those traitorous Generals, he listened to so-called Northern Elders and killed the case. Now see.

Zakzaky is simply asking for what they promised him, which is greater autonomy for his sect and full recognition to operate in Zaria, as well as 2 seats in House of Assembly. It was not too much to give him for the number of people he was willing to sacrifice, but el-Rufai is afraid and ran to Buhari saying he is being blackmailed.

Watch as these Shiites show that they are not afraid tonight and die. For now, they have not started attacking Kaduna House of Assembly because they still want Buhari to release Zakzaky first. El-Rufai that thinks that he can crush Shia from behind Buhari in run up to 2023 doesn't know what he has done.

Let us be watching.

You are the only one so far who understands the Shia perspective. Nigerians never handled the man properly. By the time Iran is done with Nigeria, even their religious compatriots will be crying. Press TV will have a lot more to air than atomic propaganda.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Nobody: 11:00am On Jul 23, 2019
Bizibi:
I always avoid central area when I see a group in wuse 2.these Shiite guys are many in Numbers.
Aii. Stay safe
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by godofuck231: 11:08am On Jul 23, 2019
1shortblackboy:
government propaganda machine una well done. all the pictures posted are of people marching with flags. no weapons spotted. which law have they broken? boys brigade and the Royal rangers of assemblies of God all have marching parades like this why picking on the shiits. stop bringing the islamic dichotomy of the sunnis and shiit issue into Nigeria





pic1 boys brigade lagos
pic 2 boys brigade yenegoa
pic 3&4 royal rangers
they don't beat up people in the name of God or Allah, don't blow up suddenly and don't take oaths with any Holy book to kill maim or destroy when instructed to as seen in the bloody riot
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Cyberleets: 11:14am On Jul 23, 2019
plaindealer:
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I don't subscribe to lies and fabricated rubbish and tribal sentiments.

Must you low self-esteem and tribe obsessed people turn every conversation into igbo this and igbo that?

Is the topic about igbo people?

You people are so tribally disgusting and annoying.


Look how u just rubbished a whole tribe Becos of just one mad man...

Now it's obvious that u both are mad.

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Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Nowenuse: 11:15am On Jul 23, 2019
FisifunKododada:
Las las na Islam go destroy Africa.

Islam can only destroy West Africa & Sudan/Somalia because of the high level of illiteracy mixed with islamic extremism. From Kenya/Congo down to South Africa will not tolerate islam and it's backwardness, they will crush it.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by godliman: 11:19am On Jul 23, 2019
plaindealer:
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Boys brigade is a Civic group like boys scouts, not a religious and confrontational organization.
Boy brigade is a Christian religious organization. It is church based, not like boys scout don't be ignorant!
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by kayroc: 11:21am On Jul 23, 2019
luluosas:
It seems you have more information than the government

The problem is that the government knows all this. They simply ignore it because they are totally committed to failed ideas and can never bring themselves to be proactive.

They had so many chances to stop this man. They did not. Now that it is simply too late to stop him, they are now trying to stop him. This is the issue with Nigeria's political elite.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Nobody: 11:51am On Jul 23, 2019
plaindealer:




Since herdsmen are your main concern, go and start your own thread to discuss herdsmen to your heart's content.
Typical genocidal fulani man.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by bumzylongs(m): 11:54am On Jul 23, 2019
wahala
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by YoungBlackRico(m): 12:09pm On Jul 23, 2019
Cacawa2:
How about boys brigade, man-o-war, Salvation army?
You are a learned fellow, please don't tow this path.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Graduateacher(f): 12:11pm On Jul 23, 2019
Lifestone:

You've also been brainwashed to believe that an unarmed group has become a military movement according to the OP.
The DCP that unfortunately died was burried without autopsy and ballistic forensic to determine what type of weapon killed him, it could have been friendly fire. Even if the gunshot was from the Shiite, shouldn't the police be interested in knowing the types of weapons in the possession of the this group



African church or European church? why is traditional wedding not a must in other countries?
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Lifestone(m): 12:14pm On Jul 23, 2019
Graduateacher:




African church or European church? why is traditional wedding not a must in other countries?
What is this one saying?
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Graduateacher(f): 12:20pm On Jul 23, 2019
Lifestone:

What is this one saying?

Stop being rude, was a mistake
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Lifestone(m): 12:24pm On Jul 23, 2019
Graduateacher:


Stop being rude, I'm asking if traditional marriage is a requirement in the universal church. Meaning, do they require it in UK for instance?
No bad intended. Asking because I am struggling to get the Nexus between your question and the topic of discussion !

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Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Lifestone(m): 12:25pm On Jul 23, 2019
Graduateacher:


Stop being rude, was a mistake
Instead of you to just apologize jejely and move on, you dey shout. It's okay anyway.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by BetaThings: 12:26pm On Jul 23, 2019
selemempe:
from nigeria to somalia to egypt to libya to mali to niger to northern cameroon to sudan to congo to chad.....islam is making progress very dificult for Africa

Is South Sudan a Muslim country?
Are the people killing Nigerians in SOuth africa Muslim?
Is Museveni a Muslim
DR Congo has been at war for how long? Is it a Muslim country?
The largest arm exporters are Christian countries
The countries that destablised Iraq, Iran, Libya are Christian countries
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Amanda4life: 12:29pm On Jul 23, 2019
Nigeria is in deep shit
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Nobody: 1:33pm On Jul 23, 2019
plaindealer:
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I don't subscribe to lies and fabricated rubbish and tribal sentiments.

Must you low self-esteem and tribe obsessed people turn every conversation into igbo this and igbo that?

Is the topic about igbo people?

You people are so tribally disgusting and annoying.


May Thunderstorms fire you. And yes. Am an Igbo man. Ezi.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by expert234: 1:35pm On Jul 23, 2019
plaindealer:




Feel free to show us the Church Knights in Nigeria from CAC, to Pentecostals, Catholic church and so on in military uniforms doing precision military parades.

Now that I've shown you pictures, I hope you will stop playing the fool and acting like a dumb idiot henceforth?

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Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by AK481(m): 1:38pm On Jul 23, 2019
the catholic church has MOD .

does it make them military?

abeg who get that picture of guard slapping a thief dressed in priesty wear?
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by Bbdealer(m): 2:16pm On Jul 23, 2019
Where d Python and crocodile way dey dance for aba and delta. So none of them don learn shaky shaky or gbe body. Wat a joke of a country
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by jaybee(f): 2:21pm On Jul 23, 2019
plaindealer:
I used to think this is a religious cult, but after watching their propaganda videos and seeing their military stance and profile, it's safe to conclude that the FG did the right thing by curtailing their activities. This is a clear and present danger that the FG must nip in the bud ASAP.

Their parades are well organized professionally structured with tall and well-built members with obvious strong military training, even the women are not left out.


This is more than a religious cult/


This is definitely not a religion, this looks more like a state within a state and a non-state military outfit within Nigeria.


How did governments in the past allowed this sect to reach this extent?
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by spiralwedge(m): 2:54pm On Jul 23, 2019
plaindealer:
I used to think this is a religious cult, but after watching their propaganda videos and seeing their military stance and profile, it's safe to conclude that the FG did the right thing by curtailing their activities. This is a clear and present danger that the FG must nip in the bud ASAP.

Their parades are well organized professionally structured with tall and well-built members with obvious strong military training, even the women are not left out.


This is more than a religious cult/


This is definitely not a religion, this looks more like a state within a state and a non-state military outfit within Nigeria.


I read a 1988 book on religious violence in Nigeria and I was surprised to see the role zakzasy and his MSS group played. Very disturbing. His doctrines gave birth to Boko Haram, refusal of northerners taking immunization, the burning of churches, and a whole lot of teachings.

When I read it, i became convinced Buhari knows what he is doing.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by spiralwedge(m): 2:57pm On Jul 23, 2019
beejaay:
How about knights in the church?every Religious group in this country have some group of soldiers like this, dressed in different ways..

Starting media war on the zakys already!!!

Religions is really the opium of the masses....

You know nothing. It is people like you talking from both sides of the mouth that has made insecurity in this country so worse.

I am yet to see Man o War, scouts, knights with antisocial indoctrination and charge.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by spiralwedge(m): 3:09pm On Jul 23, 2019
BrokenTV:

You don't subscribe to lies, but you want people to subscribe to yours, go and sit down. Tell Buhari to release their leader as ordered by court. If we are to believe your narration is Dazuki that is being detained against court order operating a cult like group like the Shite leader.

Tired of the nonsense you write upandan. You seem ignorant about a lot of things and a typical bitter tribal bigot who only seeks the downfall of the whole house because your ceiling is leaking. Go and eat sh!t, m0r0n.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by plaindealer: 3:15pm On Jul 23, 2019
kayroc:


GEJ went after him AFTER Iranian citizen was caught moving container full of guns to Zaria. The generals in the North that coordinated the movement were left alone after intervention of Northern Elders.

Here is the story: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nigeria-weapons/weapons-seized-in-nigeria-came-from-iran-shipping-company-idUSTRE69T1YT20101030

GEJ killed that story because he was bloody incompetent and unable to see anything. Diezani and her sister didn't let that one see road. By then, IMN had already turned to problem.

When the Northern Generals went after Maitatsine in Kano, they were supposed to clear IMN and Zakzaky but they didn't because they felt he was not a problem. Back then, majority of his converts were pagan villagers and Christians so they didn't mind him and his activities.

Or do you deny that they should have cleared IMN during Maitatsine?





Stop making up rubbish with unrelated stories, GEJ attacked the man and killed his sons in 2014, the article you posted was about Iran sending weapons to Hamas or Hazebulah in 2010.

Red your own rubbish before posting.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by kayroc: 3:22pm On Jul 23, 2019
plaindealer:
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Stop making up rubbish with unrelated stories, GEJ attacked the man and killed his sons in 2014, the article you posted was about Iran sending weapons to Hamas or Hazebulah in 2010.

Red your own rubbish before posting.

Those weapons were not destined for Hezbollah. The Israeli officials SUGGESTED that they were destined for Hezbollah but remained silent on who in Nigeria was working to take delivery.
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by kayroc: 3:26pm On Jul 23, 2019
spiralwedge:


I read a 1988 book on religious violence in Nigeria and I was surprised to see the role zakzasy and his MSS group played. Very disturbing. His doctrines gave birth to Boko Haram, refusal of northerners taking immunization, the burning of churches, and a whole lot of teachings.

When I read it, i became convinced Buhari knows what he is doing.

Boko Haram is an extremist Sunni movement. IMN is Shia. They are not friendly ideologies towards each other. In fact, some people trace Boko Haram to the Maitatsine who started the ultraviolet and fundamentalist conversion of the northern peasants.

The book you read talks about how Zakzaky started in the 80s, but does it tell you why that man was not dealt with the way Maitatsine and his successors were dealt with?

Why is it that the intelligence service left him to grow to this stage?
Re: El-Zakzaky: Religious Movement Or A Military State Within Nigeria? (Photos, Vide by plaindealer: 3:29pm On Jul 23, 2019
jaybee:


How did governments in the past allowed this sect to reach this extent?


The military actually imprisoned him several times back in the 80s, but democracy comes with rights and freedom to do certain things unchallenged.

He challenged the Nigerian Amry under GEJ and lost 2 sons in the process, he again challenged the Army in 2015 and lost more sons and his entire base of operation.

Sometimes people exploit their rights to free speech and freedom of religion to create a lawless, destabilizing and violent anti-government state within a state.

Look at Kanu, the government ignored him for several years even after threatening violence and making seditious proclamations, but the story changed recruiting men and women to form a military-looking structure with uniforms, parades and a ragtag group called Biafra Security forces.


Democracy, Rights, and freedom come with consequences and destabilizing characters.

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