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|What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 4:29pm On Aug 13|
Scriptures make us understand Lucifer the devil, A.K.A Satan the dragon once was a citizen of Heaven. He sinned with a third of the heavenly host, a war ensued and they were mercilessly beaten. After their defeat, they were expelled from heaven.
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, 'Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
"How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart:
'I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.'
Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
"Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD:
"You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
"You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.
"By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.
"Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.
The above verses highlight this historical event that took place in the spiritual realm.
The question is, at what point in time did this expulsion take place?
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|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by judgementyard(m): 4:34pm On Aug 13|
Nice question,let me hang around here and and learn something new.
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 4:48pm On Aug 13|
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 4:56pm On Aug 13|
The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
Mentions of formless , empty and darkness is a potential clue to resolving the problem of when Lucifer was cast down.
God is light, and in him there is no darkness, why would his perfect creation be in darkness? This mention of darkness leads me to
2 Peter 2:4 'For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; '
Could this darkness that covered the
Earth be the punitive chains mentioned much later by Peter?
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 5:06pm On Aug 13|
Genesis 3:1–6, when the serpent bursts onto the scenne. He comes to Eve in the garden in Eden:
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.
This serpent appeared more experienced on the earth than Adam and his wife, but where did he gain that experience? It is obvious he was used by Lucifer, which suggests, Lucifer had already been cast down before Adam and Eve inhabited the earth.
The serpent is compared to the other beasts of the field yet characterized as “crafty” (arum). This word is used positively elsewhere in the Bible (“prudent” in Proverbs 12:16, 14: but it is also used in a negative sense, (Job 5:12, 15:5) such as the case in this narrative. The serpent is not only described as being crafty or cunning; Scripture also tells us that this creature spoke. The Bible later identifies this particular serpent as Satan (see Revelation 12:9, 20:2; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:3, 14). As Christians, we need to be aware of Satan’s devices so that we are not outwitted by him (2 Corinthians 2:11), for his nature is that of being a liar (John 8:44).
Satan’s temptation of Eve in Genesis 3 gives us several insight regarding when he was cast down, that it was before the physical creation of Adam and Eve.
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by DavidEsq(m): 5:10pm On Aug 13|
bingbagbo:That thing u are taking is very strong o
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by blackpanthar: 5:12pm On Aug 13|
Beloved brother, why are you exercising your mind in things that will NOT profit you, NOT ALL KNOWLEDGE is GAINFUL at the moment.... KNOWLEDGE puffs up..... especially when it is not practical.
here consider these scriptures:
Deuteronomy 29:29 Amplified Bible,
29 There are secret things that belong unto the Lord our God, but the things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all of the words of this BOOK.
JESUS sent us to seek and save the LOST... and to PREACH the GOSPEL to the world and make disciples of NATIONS..... it is wise to focus on that... because there are many IDEOLOGIES in the bible that give lots of HINTS to TIME TRAVEL, ALIENS, OTHER WORLDS... these Ideologies are NOT going to help us become better Disciples....
I suggest you focus on what we have been told to focus on, else you will confuse your soul sir... JESUS focused and FINISHED....Paul did same too. Pls lets be guided accurately
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 5:21pm On Aug 13|
I understand you bro, i am not confused all, on the contrary do you know the greatest commandment? Love the lord your God with all your soul, all your mind and all your heart. It is never a distraction to discuss the word of God, rather an indication of ones obsession.
There are many that will read this post and fall in love with scriptures.
Respectfully, my opinion!
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by yosmen: 6:33pm On Aug 13|
Among the scriptures u quote, satan and devil are not the same being.
The devil was not casted but Satan was casted from among the stones of fire. The devil is the serpent of eden that was deformed after he was possessed by satan
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 7:14pm On Aug 13|
Lucifer, Satan and the devil is one and same entity, don't be deceived
The Scriptures refer to Satan as an accuser. Revelation 12:10 calls him "the accuser of our brethren who accused them before God day and night...".
Satan wants you to believe that you are not worthy to approach God. But you are not approaching Him on the basis of your worthiness. You are approaching God on the basis of what Jesus did for you at the cross. Remember that, because the devil doesn't want you to know it. He wants to accuse you before God and keep you away
The devil was soundly defeated at the cross of Calvary.
Colossians 2:15, speaking of what Jesus accomplished at the cross, says, "Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it." At Calvary, the devil lost his foothold and stranglehold on the life of the human race. This means that each of us can be set free by the power of Jesus Christ.
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by finalboss(m): 7:41pm On Aug 13|
imagine how bemused you guys are. Lmfao
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 8:00pm On Aug 13|
Keep deceiving your own soul
Very soon, you will know Jesus is reality
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by finalboss(m): 8:05pm On Aug 13|
bingbagbo:your invincible and magical Jesus that doesn't exist ?? don't even start with Me
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 8:14pm On Aug 13|
Of course the fool says in his heart there is no God
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by finalboss(m): 8:15pm On Aug 13|
that's your cup of tea.
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 8:16pm On Aug 13|
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by Mandyoluchi(m): 8:40pm On Aug 13|
Read the book Angels and demons by Benny Hinn. Thank me later
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 7:28am On Aug 14|
I read it four years ago
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by yosmen: 8:20am On Aug 14|
At what point did Satan become devil..? Any scripture to prove the name transition....Satan,devil, Lucifer are all Trinity of darkness
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by Preciousgirl(f): 10:54am On Aug 14|
Liar, Satan is lucifer and the devil
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|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by Mandyoluchi(m): 9:49pm On Aug 14|
You didn't understand it. Now read it slowly
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 11:01pm On Aug 14|
@bingbagbo this is a very good question!
Could it be possible Satan fell more than once?
Before creation? Or the time Jesus said He saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven in Luke 10 v 18?
Could the incident John saw in the book of Revelation be another separate incident for the future? Or was John using the story of the ancient past to foretell the future?
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by sonmvayina(m): 11:24pm On Aug 14|
Let me just put this out here, just that some people never learn... Satan, devil, and Lucifer are 3 different beings.. I have said this on this forum on countless occasion... Enlil is Satan, on the account that he is the destroyer, he is the God of the air or Lord wind.. His son is Nanna, he is the devil and the moon God or the ruler of darkness I. E he is the God of darkness.. Nanna daughter is inanna, she is Lucifer, which is a Latin title (it is not a proper name) she is Venus the morning star.. She is the goddess of death amongst other.. She took up that role as goddess of death which no other God wanted to do, and as such was elevated to the pantheon of God or Elohim.
The three of them are not independent of God, they are part of God and together form the group of beings refereed to as "the sons of God".. They do the job God has created that to do... They all report back to God.. They are part and parcel of God.. God is sovergn over all his creation.. No exception..
They where NEVER casted from heaven, the verse in revelation is a mistranslation... The actual translation is "he drew his cast for the earth..." after Marduk has created the Universe from the remains of tiamat(which is the dragon in the book of revelation.. Which symbolically refers to chaos) Enlil was asked to choose where the gods will reside, since he was the first son of Anu.. He there after drew his cast for the earth and all the gods came to earth..... Enki and his sons and daughters represent the right side of the Elohim while Enlil and his sons and daughters (baals and asherahs) represent the left side... While Marduk represent the middle and is the creator of all..
They are all spiritual stories and all very interesting..
Both Judaism and Christianity all originates from Babylon and much of their beliefs are all epics from Babylon...
It is called a universe for a reason..
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by yosmen: 7:57am On Aug 15|
Preciousgirl:Study to show yourself approved.
Why is Satan called a dragon? Was the dragon among the stones of fire initially? Why are the angels not looking like dragons even among the four beast in the presence of God, why is the similitude of dragon not mentioned
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 2:47pm On Aug 15|
Satan fell pre Adam and that was it
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 4:02pm On Aug 15|
What's your take on what Jesus said in Luke 10 v 18?
Is it a separate incident from the Pre-Adam era and what John saw in Revelation?
|Re: What Time Was Lucifer Cast Down From Heaven? by bingbagbo(m): 4:11pm On Aug 15|
I dont think so
I believe all refer to that same one fall that occurred years before Adam.
Remember John in Revelations refers to the Birth of Jesus which had already taken place?
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