The Devil's rebellion as we all know was a very great sin against God's divine supreme leadership.

But my question is why was the devil and his agents not cast into the lake of fire immediately after the rebellion?

Why was he cast down to the earth?
Why was man created to live in the same earth where the devil and his agents roams?

mysticwarrior:
Rebellion as we all know was a very great sin against God's divine supreme leadership.

But my question is why was the devil and his agents not cast into the lake of fire immediately after the rebellion?

Why was he cast down to the earth?
Why was man created to live in the same earth were the devil and his agents roams?

For the umpteenth time,
a. The was no rebellion. That story is born of Pagan myths!

b. Devil was not cast down to the earth. Again, a pagan myth!

c. Man was created. Man fell, choosing to have the devil and his agents along for the ride.

The story no just clear

God and Devil exist like negative and positive side of battery or electricity... Everything written in the Bible and Quran is mere description

There's mythological heaven and also hell, but hell is not a physical place but a state of mind and consciousness

He was cast down to Hell.
Earth is Hell. Oduduwa is Devil.

If u r to go by that story.

With the way Hell was described, what difference does it have with earth.
Mention one thing mentioned or described about hell and i will describe it for you on earth.

Hell is Earth.

Abeg all na story.

Moh247:
God and Devil exist like negative and positive side of battery or electricity... Everything written in the Bible and Quran is mere description

There's mythological heaven and also hell, but hell is not a physical place but a state of mind and consciousness

Don't be deceived, God is not mocked.

mysticwarrior:
The Devil's rebellion as we all know was a very great sin against God's divine supreme leadership.

But my question is why was the devil and his agents not cast into the lake of fire immediately after the rebellion?

Why was he cast down to the earth?
Why was man created to live in the same earth where the devil and his agents roams?

study the new testament,it was written in Greek you can go online and read the original bible translations to English.
as of now hell does not exist, it is an event and not a place that will take place

mysticwarrior:
The Devil's rebellion as we all know was a very great sin against God's divine supreme leadership.

But my question is why was the devil and his agents not cast into the lake of fire immediately after the rebellion?

Why was he cast down to the earth?
Why was man created to live in the same earth where the devil and his agents roams?

Finally someone asks!

So that after his disgrace and failure in heaven, earth man too would add his own and beat and disgrace the bastard and his team.

But men are dissapointing heaven big time! They are even rather following him and his team.

Moh247:
God and Devil exist like negative and positive side of battery or electricity... Everything written in the Bible and Quran is mere description

There's mythological heaven and also hell, but hell is not a physical place but a state of mind and consciousness

You are talking rubbish a good food has no poison in it. If jollof rice has poison in it, it would be not be good. Which means the poison wins

Same for drinking water with piss in it.

God is Good and He has no negative of bad.

He is different from Satan as Jollof Rice is different from hypo/Sniper.

Natbrowny:
If u r to go by that story.

With the way Hell was described, what difference does it have with earth.
Mention one thing mentioned or described about hell and i will describe it for you on earth.

Hell is Earth.

It is the pikin of hell that is here. The Papa dey up they wait.

Same thing for heaven. Him pikin too dey here.

So people get to choose which one dey want and take home.

jafaru196:
study the new testament,it was written in Greek you can go online and read the original bible translations to English.
as of now hell does not exist, it is an event and not a place that will take place

You did not read it well. It said it exists and the old testament also showed us that it was already there waiting. And yes this one is not hell, it is the Killer of hell called the Lake of Fire!

Dtruthspeaker:


You are talking rubbish a good food has no poison in it. If jollof rice has poison in it, it would be not be good. Which means the poison wins

Same for drinking water with piss in it.

God is Good and He has no negative of bad.

He is different from Satan as Jollof Rice is different from hypo/Sniper.

Did I in anywhere in my comment call God and Devil the same?!

I only said that heaven and hell all gospel are preaching about is not a physical place so you hell or heaven can start right here on earth

The Bible and Quran both have more of proverbs and code that you should decipher on your own

Moh247:


Did I in anywhere in my comment call God and Devil the same?!

I only said that heaven and hell all gospel are preaching about is not a physical place so you hell or heaven can start right here on earth

The Bible and Quran both have more of proverbs and code that you should decipher on your own

I interpreted your statement "God and Devil exist like negative and positive side of battery or electricity..." Which means you joined them as a single unit just like a battery is a single unit having both a positive and negative side, so are you saying you did not think this?

Dtruthspeaker:


I interpreted your statement "God and Devil exist like negative and positive side of battery or electricity..." Which means you joined them as a single unit just like a battery is a single unit having both a positive and negative side, so are you saying you did not think this?

Oya according to bible who created Lucifer? All the so called power Lucifer has who gave him, if God wanted to stop Lucifer he won't hesitate.. God gave you free will to decide on your own iif you want heaven or hell, if you want God or Satan

Moh247:


Oya according to bible who created Lucifer? All the so called power Lucifer has who gave him, if God wanted to stop Lucifer he won't hesitate.. God have you free will to decide on your own iif you want heaven or hell, if you want God or Satan

By asking me this, now you confirm that you indeed thought so.

Answer! Like you are asking who created Tesla and gave it, its power. And that Elon can stop it without hesitation.

Yes, he can. But can Elon not deal with the erring Tesla in any way he deems fit? Is it not his right to deal with it in any way he likes?

Dtruthspeaker:


By asking me this, now you confirm that you indeed thought so.

Answer! Like you are asking who created Tesla and gave it, its power. And that Elon can stop it without hesitation.

Yes, he can. But can Elon not deal with the erring Tesla in any way he deems fit? Is it not his right to deal with it in any way he likes?

Perhaps God wanted to balance the world.. good and evil, heaven and earth, day and night, positive and negatives

Atleast he created Lucifer and all demons in his supreme wisdom and also personally casted them to Earth from heaven after they failed to bow to Adam his creation

He also according to biblical mythology gave Adam and Eve what they need and also placed a forbidden fruit in their garden for them to decide for themselves


All this stories are not literal they are meant to teach you a lesson on how the universe works

Moh247:

Perhaps God wanted to balance the world.. good and evil, heaven and earth, day and night, positive and negatives

Atleast he created Lucifer and all demons in his supreme wisdom and also personally casted them to Earth from heaven after they failed to bow to Adam his creation

All this stories are not literal they are meant to teach you a lesson on how the universe works

You say perhaps. I know for certain.

He did create everything to have its opposite character but Satan was not supposed to do the evil.

Look at the way God punishes, you would see He punishes using what you have done. So since Satan loved evil, God therefore punished him by attaching him to "the-Evil". Which is why we call Satan, "the-evil" aka D' evil exactly like D' day for the-day.

Moh247:

He also according to biblical mythology gave Adam and Eve what they need and also placed a forbidden fruit in their garden for them to decide for themselve

"Forbidden" means prohibited. And if it is prohibited it therefore means that you are not even allowed to choose to "decide" this option.

So, again, you are very much wrong and far from the Truth!

mysticwarrior:

The Devil's rebellion as we all know was a very great sin against God's divine supreme leadership. But my question is why was the devil and his agents not cast into the lake of fire immediately after the rebellion?
Why was he cast down to the earth?
Why was man created to live in the same earth where the devil and his agents roams?

God didn't cast Satan and other wicked angels down to the earth after the rebellion Sir God only put a unique mark on his loyal spirit sons so they may identify themselves {Jude 1:6} the rebellious angels later decided to become fugitives moving from heaven to earth {Job 1:7} since they've been disengaged in their duties to God {2Peter 2:4} they are arrogant and powerful so some of them became gods on earth that's why the true God called out Abraham to establish pure worship that has nothing to do with those demons.
The demons protested because they felt it's their right to become gods to the descendants of Adam since their father has chosen to be on their side as a rebel too. But the true God out of His infinite mercy is willing to rescue innocent and obedient descendants of Adam who may choose to be loyal like Abel, to start the purification process Abraham was called out from among the worshipers of those demons! Genesis 12:1-3

Angels are spirit beings smart and intelligent they can't survive in a lonely place moreover God punished them for mating with female humans {1Peter 3:19-20 compare to Genesis 6:1-5} in fact the global deluge was to destroy the children of this demons who were giant bullies disrupting the peace on earth! Genesis 6:4

As a means of salvation {Daniel 12:1} Archangel Michael (Jesus) came down to earth and offered his perfect human life as ultimate sacrifice as a ransom to redeem OBEDIENT mankind when he returned to heaven God told him to sit beside God's throne {Psalms 110:1; Act 7:56} Jesus have to wait until God ordered him to start ruling in the midst of his enemies: Satan, demons and their human agents (politicians)
The first step Michael took was driving Satan and his cohorts out of heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} this event took place in the year 1914.

Jesus also came to the earth that year to see how far his disciples are faring but it's a pity Satan has turned Jesus' earthly mission into something else {Luke 18:8} so Jesus chose a group that's willing to make amendments and began correcting all the blunders the called Christianity before that year immediately Jesus began leading this group to all the corners of the earth making disciples of the people of all the nations {Revelations 6:1-2} this group is globally known today as "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" that's the group name his father began calling them since the borrowed group name "CHRISTIANS" has been defamed! Isaiah 65:15

Satan and his cohorts has been fighting really hard against Jesus' subjects on planet earth they wanted to spoil everything so they possessed all the rulers of the earth and engaged them in battle that's what led to world war 1. Revelations 6:3-4

Jesus' true disciples love their neighbours so they don't participate in this killings that's why Satan started using his human agents practicing false religions to blackmail them throughout the earth {Matthew 5:11-12 compare to John 15:19} but no matter what Satan and his agents are doing Jesus' true disciples keep shining brightly as if they're not just ordinary humans like others! Matthew 5:14-16

I hope you learn one or two things from these and if you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask me.

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

God alone in his infinite knowledge knows ot all, we cannot in our finite, limited form and mind try to comprehend and grasp the incomprehensible, lest we stumble,,.
What He has given to us now let us hold fast till he comes

Tb222:
God alone in his infinite knowledge knows ot all, we cannot in our finite, limited form and mind try to comprehend and grasp the incomprehensible, lest we stumble,,.
What He has given to us now let us hold fast till he comes

Stop deluding yourself with these lazy minded and pathetic soundbites.

Jesus Christ said that the mysteries of the Kingdom of God are made known to those who seek and obey. Why do you refuse to obey only so you can spew this meaningless tripe all over the place to discourage others from seeking Truth that God freely gives?

Kobojunkie:
Stop deluding yourself with these lazy minded and pathetic soundbites.

Jesus Christ said that the mysteries of the Kingdom of God are made known to those who seek and obey. Why do you refuse to obey only so you can spew this meaningless tripe all over the place to discourage others from seeking Truth that God freely gives?

It is not for you to know the times and the seasons, but what he has given to you now hold fast till he comes, the one command he has given to us now is to go to the uppermost part of the earth to preach the gospel. Till the perfect day shall come, when the mystery of the kingdom shall be revealed, but now is the battle for souls, and subjecting our flesh and desires , goals, and ambitions to our Lord Jesus Christ, being crucified with him on the cross, that we may have life in him more abundantly, lets not waste the short time we have now dwelling on philosophies and laws and logic, for the time is very short.

The judgement seat of Christ, where and when the saints would be rewarded is not about, what you have learnt, or how much God has done for you , or what you have acheived in Life, you will be rewarded according to your..

1: Joy
2:Love
3: Intercession
4: Humility
5: Obedience
6: guidance
7: Faith
8:Words
9:Thoughts
10: Communion
11: God's Spirit within you.
12:Vision
13:World dimension(influence the World for Christ)

Any other actions, or desires apart from this will suffer loss, when your deeds and your works for Christ are tried by fire and weighed,
For every one will receive the just recompense and reward for his/her actions. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 says it all.

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God didn't cast Satan and other wicked angels down to the earth after the rebellion Sir God only put a unique mark on his loyal spirit sons so they may identify themselves {Jude 1:6} the rebellious angels later decided to become fugitives moving from heaven to earth {Job 1:7} since they've been disengaged in their duties to God {2Peter 2:4} they are arrogant and powerful so some of them became gods on earth that's why the true God called out Abraham to establish pure worship that has nothing to do with those demons.
The demons protested because they felt it's their right to become gods to the descendants of Adam since their father has chosen to be on their side as a rebel too. But the true God out of His infinite mercy is willing to rescue innocent and obedient descendants of Adam who may choose to be loyal like Abel, to start the purification process
point of correction archangel michael didnt die 4 humanity as stated by u,JESUS CHRIST DID ONLY HIM.

Tb222:
1. It is not for you to know the times and the seasons, but what he has given to you now hold fast till he comes, the one command he has given to us now is to go to the uppermost part of the earth to preach the gospel. Till the perfect day shall come, when the mystery of the kingdom shall be revealed, but now is the battle for souls, and subjecting our flesh and desires , goals, and ambitions to our Lord Jesus Christ, being crucified with him on the cross, that we may have life in him more abundantly, lets not waste the short time we have now dwelling on philosophies and laws and logic, for the time is very short.

2. The judgement seat of Christ, where and when the saints would be rewarded is not about, what you have learnt, or how much God has done for you , or what you have acheived in Life, you will be rewarded according to your..
.....
Any other actions, or desires apart from this will suffer loss, when your deeds and your works for Christ are tried by fire and weighed,
For every one will receive the just recompense and reward for his/her actions. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 says it all.

Yet again with the meaningless soundbites!

1. So in your view, when Jesus Christ made the statement below, He was just pulling the legs of His followers?

32 “The fig tree teaches us a lesson: When its branches become green and soft, and new leaves begin to grow, then you know that summer is very near.
33 In the same way, when you see all these things happening, you will know that the time[d] is very near, already present. - Matthew 24 vs 32 - 33

2. So, what you are insinuating here is that Jesus Christ was when In Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 Jesus Christ instead rewarded those who did works of righteousness( Feed my sheep & take care of my sheep) with Heaven, and those who refused to do those works with Hell instead, Jesus Christ was not following the correct script?

Kobojunkie:
Yet again with the meaningless soundbites!

1. So in your view, when Jesus Christ made the statement below, He was just pulling the legs of His followers?


2. So, what you are insinuating here is that Jesus Christ was when In Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 Jesus Christ instead rewarded those who did works of righteousness( Feed my sheep & take care of my sheep) with Heaven, and those who refused to do those works with Hell instead, Jesus Christ was not following the correct script?

1Corinthians 3:11-15 says it all, we would all be rewarded according to how much we invested for Christ and his Glory only, God is not interested in your intelligence, looks or abilities, none of these would earn you anything on that day, vut only these innortal words"What Did You Do For Me While On Earth"

Tb222:
1Corinthians 3:11-15 says it all, we would all be rewarded according to how much we invested for Christ and his Glory only, God is not interested in your intelligence, looks or abilities, none of these would earn you anything on that day, vut only these innortal words"What Did You Do For Me While On Earth"

Again with the soundbites!

Look, what God wants is obedience. What He says you should do, is that you trust(submit) and obey Him. He sent Jesus Christ to you and called to you from Heaven asking that you obey Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ even made it very clear that only those who obey Him belong to HIm, and His friends are those who do as He commands. He even went as far as to give you the cheat sheet as far as entering into Heaven where He details the steps to enter into the Narrow Gate, and also what you need to do to finally gain Heaven afterward. In all, Obedience is the Key to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Why do you skate around these facts contained in the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ all so you can spew meaningless and detailless soundbites instead?

Kobojunkie:
For the umpteenth time,
a. The was no rebellion. That story is born of Pagan myths!

b. Devil was not cast down to the earth. Again, a pagan myth!

c. Man was created. Man fell, choosing to have the devil and his agents along for the ride.

Was it man that tempted the devil? Or the god just created an evil being for kicks?

LordReed:
Was it man that tempted the devil? Or the god just created an evil being for kicks?

Where you told that evil was also created at the same time that man was?

Kobojunkie:
Where you told that evil was also created at the same time that man was?

This doesn't even remotely address either of my questions. I mention nothing of when evil was created so I dunno why you are bringing that up.

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then how would you explain Rv 7- 9 which says "Revelation 12:7-9
[7]Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, who fought back with his angels;
[8]but the dragon was defeated, and he and his angels were not allowed to stay in heaven any longer.
[9]The huge dragon was thrown out — that ancient serpent, called the Devil, or Satan, that deceived the whole world. He was thrown down to earth, and all his angels with him"?

mysticwarrior:
The Devil's rebellion as we all know was a very great sin against God's divine supreme leadership.

But my question is why was the devil and his agents not cast into the lake of fire immediately after the rebellion?

Why was he cast down to the earth?
Why was man created to live in the same earth where the devil and his agents roams?

The devil was on earth before man, what are you talking about?