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Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 1:13pm On Sep 12
naptu2:


Dennilson was the most expensive player in the world in 1998 (£21.5 million). Okocha was the most expensive African. Dennilson moved from Sao Paulo to Real Betis after the World Cup.
my mistake
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by DJInfluence: 1:20pm On Sep 12
What has Mane & Salah done to be on that list? because they won champions league? If nothing, Kanu should be on that list.
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 1:32pm On Sep 12
kendrick93:

African most expensive not the world most expensive.
Thank God u've proved my point for me..
what highlights?
You mean over the bar shots and skills without no purpose.
You what to watch highlights go watch the game okocha was brought on as sub when dinho was on the pitch... the quality is clear..
It's only in nigeria you will hear people put okocha and dinho in the same sentence...
He wasn't even Nigeria's best...
Kanu was better and accomplished.
If not kanu nigeria won't have won the Olympics because okocha was busy shooting shots over the bar and being greedy....okocha at the time lacked football sense
My mistake on world most expensive. But u don't argue wisely oo. We are arguing about Jay Jay and Dinho. Jay Jay was already a big name before his PSG move, dats why they paid such amount for him. He was their known No.10 till he left the club. In my first post, I told you dat Jay Jay never improved, .. He had his highest number of Goals in Fernabace and was still entertaining at d same time, but Ronaldinho improved every season.He was a good player in PSG, but Jay Jay was bigger than him then. Jay Jay was already a bigger name in PSG dressing room before Ronaldinho made name in France.
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by femi4: 1:39pm On Sep 12
lexy2014:


At what time did JJ establish himself as a world class footballer. Was it b4 PSG or after PSG?
Check his stat at psg. He revived his career at Bolton. Stat doesn't lie. 84 appreances in 4yrs

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11820/2236978/okocha-upset-with-psg-treatment
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by lexy2014: 1:45pm On Sep 12
Soso990240:
Guy, PSG bought Okocha for £14 million.. making him the world most expensive player then. His goal In Fernabace won goal of d season. He was like a mentor to Ronaldinho in PSG.. But Ronaldinho improved and surpassed Jay Jay as a footballer.
English football is more popular here, dats why u wount acknowledge his performance in other Leagues. Okocha was already a great player before he joined Bolton.

McGuire is presently d most expensive defender in d world doesn't make him a great player. That's y I asked u who& who among d worlds greats was JJ rubbing shoulders with b4 he left 4 PSG? By d way, what are d things that JJ taught Ronaldinho?
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by kendrick93(m): 1:46pm On Sep 12
Soso990240:
My mistake on world most expensive. But u don't argue wisely oo. We are arguing about Jay Jay and Dinho. Jay Jay was already a big name before his PSG move, dats why they paid such amount for him. He was their known No.10 till he left the club. In my first post, I told you dat Jay Jay never improved, .. He had his highest number of Goals in Fernabace and was still entertaining at d same time, but Ronaldinho improved every season.He was a good player in PSG, but Jay Jay was bigger than him then. Jay Jay was already a bigger name in PSG dressing room before Ronaldinho made name in France.
ronaldinho was 20yrs
coming from Brazil of course okocha was already the established name..
again my point was once Ronaldinho
settled in France he became better
than JJ. okocha was reduced to a substitute role and sold
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by lexy2014: 1:48pm On Sep 12
femi4:
Check his stat at psg. He revived his career at Bolton. Stat doesn't lie

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11820/2236978/okocha-upset-with-psg-treatment

By reviving his career at Bolton, did he become a better player at Bolton than he was b4 he left Fernabeche?
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by femi4: 1:49pm On Sep 12
lexy2014:


By reviving his career at Bolton, did he become a better player at Bolton that he was b4 he went Fernabeche?
pls check his stat
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by lexy2014: 2:23pm On Sep 12
femi4:
pls check his stat

According to u:

"he struggled in PSG after scoring on his debut before reviving his career in Bolton".

Y did JJ struggle at PSG compared to Fernabeche? Y did he excel at Fernabeche compared to PSG? If u can't answer that, then ur stats mean nothing
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Wantedmiller: 2:37pm On Sep 12
internationalman:

So you want to tell Salah is better than Okocha bcoz he scores goals.

I wonder how many goals Ronaldinho scored in his career that he is regarded as a legend


I wonder what football is all about..... if not goals!

Did you ask if Ronaldinho scored goals?


Ronaldinho scored 223 career goal......

both are not close
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by femi4: 3:02pm On Sep 12
lexy2014:


According to u:

"he struggled in PSG after scoring on his debut before reviving his career in Bolton".

Y did JJ struggle at PSG compared to Fernabeche? Y did he excel at Fernabeche compared to PSG? If u can't answer that, then ur stats mean nothing
look at this illiterate....doesn't even know how to present his case
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Afflalo(m): 3:05pm On Sep 12
go and ask abt enyeama in french league 1
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by lexy2014: 3:11pm On Sep 12
femi4:
look at this illiterate....doesn't even know how to present his case

Prof, I didn't no d discussion was about literacy or illiteracy. But since u mentioned it, ur response doesn't answer d questions I asked except u trying to tell me that with all ur literacy, u can't answer d questions asked by an illiterate. That will b something. Or maybe ur literacy starts where my illiteracy ends
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 3:31pm On Sep 12
kendrick93:

ronaldinho was 20yrs
coming from Brazil of course okocha was already the established name..
again my point was once Ronaldinho
settled in France he became better
than JJ. okocha was reduced to a substitute role and sold
Okocha was already out of favour owing to d fact that he refused to extend his contract. Jay Jay was the main man in number 10 role.. Ronaldinho was often used as d second striker ( no 8 role) wen Jay Jay was in d pitch. They later started introducing as Sub for Jay Jay. Then d table had to turn as Jay Jay then started coming in as a sub. Not because Jay Jay lack d quality, but because he refused to renew his contract which was to expire at d end of the season. PSG saw Ronaldinho as Jay Jay's successor, so d table had to turn. Just like Limiting iniesta's playing time because of a Rakitic.
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by naijabruce: 3:31pm On Sep 12
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Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 3:50pm On Sep 12
lexy2014:


McGuire is presently d most expensive defender in d world doesn't make him a great player. That's y I asked u who& who among d worlds greats was JJ rubbing shoulders with b4 he left 4 PSG? By d way, what are d things that JJ taught Ronaldinho?

In 1998 world cup, Nigeria had a very disappointing outing, but Jay Jay was named in the team of the tournament, what does dat mean to you? While in Fernabace, Jay Jay was d master of Free kick ( most of his goals), which he brought to PSG. In 2004, Pele name Jay Jay among the 120 Living football legends.. I can go on and on. Ronaldinho in and interview acknowledged Jay Jay's influence on him during d 1 season they spent together. He said Okocha is the only No.10 he really admired(2017 interview). Check the meaning of the word Mentor.. Jay Jay was a mentor to young Ronaldinho.
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by lexy2014: 4:28pm On Sep 12
Soso990240:
In 1998 world cup, Nigeria had a very disappointing outing, but Jay Jay was named in the team of the tournament, what does dat mean to you? While in Fernabace, Jay Jay was d master of Free kick ( most of his goals), which he brought to PSG. In 2004, Pele name Jay Jay among the 120 Living football legends.. I can go on and on. Ronaldinho in and interview acknowledged Jay Jay's influence on him during d 1 season they spent together. He said Okocha is the only No.10 he really admired(2017 interview). Check the meaning of the word Mentor.. Jay Jay was a mentor to young Ronaldinho.

When did Pele name JJ among 120 living football legends? Was it while he was in PSG? What did JJ teach Ronaldinho while they were both at PSG?
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 4:36pm On Sep 12
lexy2014:


When did Pele name JJ among 120 living football legends? Was it while he was in PSG? What did JJ teach Ronaldinho while they were both at PSG?
2014 was wen Pele did that, 2years after he left PSG. And don't tell me 1 and half season performance at Bolton was d reason why Pele named him. If Dinho can accept that Jay Jay was of great influence and a mentor to him, who are you to object? I didn't train with them,but here is a dictionary definition of Mentor (A wise and trusted counselor or teacher)
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 4:47pm On Sep 12
lexy2014:


By reviving his career at Bolton, did he become a better player at Bolton than he was b4 he left Fernabeche?
Somebody that was in the team of the tournament in 1998 world cup, despite his team not performing well. Was he a nobody to achieve such feat? That was why PSG paid dat huge sum to land him. His goal in Fernabace that won d goal of the season is still his best goal.
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by obentenyson(m): 5:04pm On Sep 12
internationalman:

Is it always about awards?

well the above post is based on achievement n individual award.. if its based on the talent, then okocha should have being on that list.. I dont know Bout KANU o but okocha should be there if its based on talent n not individual award...
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by lexy2014: 5:09pm On Sep 12
Soso990240:
Somebody that was in the team of the tournament in 1998 world cup, despite his team not performing well. Was he a nobody to achieve such feat? That was why PSG paid dat huge sum to land him. His goal in Fernabace that won d goal of the season is still his best goal.

U still didn't answer d question I asked. Was JJ a better player at Bolton than he was at Fernabeche?
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by lexy2014: 5:15pm On Sep 12
Soso990240:
2014 was wen Pele did that, 2years after he left PSG. And don't tell me 1 and half season performance at Bolton was d reason why Pele named him. If Dinho can accept that Jay Jay was of great influence and a mentor to him, who are you to object? I didn't train with them,but here is a dictionary definition of Mentor (A wise and trusted counselor or teacher)

JJ left PSG in 2002. As at 2014 JJ had stopped playing football. D fact that Ronaldinho said JJ was his mentor has been a point u have repeated over& over again. Since u no d dictionary meaning of d word, then u should have asked urself, what was JJ teaching him that made him call JJ his mentor?
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by lexy2014: 5:38pm On Sep 12
Soso990240:
Somebody that was in the team of the tournament in 1998 world cup, despite his team not performing well. Was he a nobody to achieve such feat? That was why PSG paid dat huge sum to land him. His goal in Fernabace that won d goal of the season is still his best goal.

In 1993, while at Eintract Frankfurt, JJ also scored one of d best goals u will ever c in modern football. It was voted goal of d season. Did that make him a great player?
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 5:38pm On Sep 12
lexy2014:


JJ left PSG in 2002. As at 2014 JJ had stopped playing football. D fact that Ronaldinho said JJ was his mentor has been a point u have repeated over& over again. Since u no d dictionary meaning of d word, then u should have asked urself, what was JJ teaching him that made him call JJ his mentor?
2004 I meant to say..
Why would I ask myself what Jay Jay was teaching Dinho since Dinho said that himself?
All I know is that I can't Mentor you if am not better, bigger and more experienced than you. What is there to Mentor if you are better and bigger than me?
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 5:49pm On Sep 12
kendrick93:

ronaldinho was 20yrs
coming from Brazil of course okocha was already the established name..
again my point was once Ronaldinho
settled in France he became better
than JJ. okocha was reduced to a substitute role and sold
Not true.. Jay Jay was already having issues with PSG over pay cut before Dinho joined. He was among d highest paid , and PSG wanted to cut cost, but he refused. He refused to extend his contract before Dinho came in. He was their No.10, while Dinho played most as No.8 or as Sub. They had no option than to feature Dinho as No.10 later on because it was obvious Jay Jay was Leaving. For d last time, In d year 2001 that both players played together, Jay Jay was a better player and a bigger name in d club compared to Ronaldinho. I can't be your Mentor if am not better and more experienced than you.
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 5:53pm On Sep 12
lexy2014:


In 1993, while at Eintract Frankfurt, JJ also scored one of d best goals u will ever c in modern football. It was voted goal of d season. Did that make him a great player?
am telling you his Best goal, not just any goal. And u didn't say anything about being in 1998 world cup team of the tournament? abeg ur argument tire me.
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 5:56pm On Sep 12
lexy2014:


U still didn't answer d question I asked. Was JJ a better player at Bolton than he was at Fernabeche?
He wasn't a better player in Bolton compared to Fernabace. Dig out his statistics and do d comparison yourself. Jay Jay Neva improved dat was his problem. He plays for himself, and not D team. Ronaldinho improved every season, that was why he can stand as one of the ALL TIME GREATEST ahead of Jay Jay( who was just having fun)
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by movingclouds(m): 11:54pm On Sep 12
obentenyson:
salah is more like Victor moses, so he can either player from the flank in the midfield or as a winger... same as Mani...
I agree with you about Mane.. Both are good at the wings, but in the 3-4-3 formation, Salah isn't a good option since it has to do with so much energy, attacking and defending.. But Mane is a good player for that
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by lexy2014: 7:15am On Sep 13
Soso990240:
am telling you his Best goal, not just any goal. And u didn't say anything about being in 1998 world cup team of the tournament? abeg ur argument tire me.

I haven't even started arguing and u are tired. When I start, what will u do?

According to u: "His goal in Fernabace that won d goal of the season is still his best goal." Then u said this:

Soso990240:
am telling you his Best goal, not just any goal.

Was it in turkey he scored his best goal? because d goal was selected d best goal of d season it was scored, does that make it his best goal in his career? How many people no that goal? Even looking at his Wikipedia page, I don't c any mention of d goal. When u talk of JJs best goals, 1993 in Germany comes to my mind b4 any goal. Wikipedia even did an analysis of his goal in Germany. They talked about one of his goals while he was at Enugu Rangers. That means that by just referencing JJ on wikipedia, more and more people are more informed about his goal as a Frankfurt player while ur best goal in Turkey sits in oblivion. So I don't no what u mean by "am telling u his best goal, not just any goal".

One thing u have to understand is that any footballer can score d best goals of d season or of a tournament. Doesn't make them great. Pavard, a defender, scored d best goal of world cup. That doesn't automatically make him great. Several players have won d Puskas including Giroud. These were in many cases insignificant, unknown players who after that, no one hears of them again. So scoring d best goal of d season or tournament isnt what makes a footballer great
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by lexy2014: 7:22am On Sep 13
Soso990240:
2004 I meant to say..
Why would I ask myself what Jay Jay was teaching Dinho since Dinho said that himself?
All I know is that I can't Mentor you if am not better, bigger and more experienced than you. What is there to Mentor if you are better and bigger than me?

Y shouldn't I ask u what JJ taught Ronaldinho? U have been repeating it over and over and u never asked urself that question? because Ronaldinho said, does that mean u shouldn't ask urself what& what he was talking about? So u don't even no exactly what Ronaldinho learnt from JJ& u have been recycling that line all along? D way u have been saying it, I thought u would even be able to say at least one thing Ronaldinho learnt from JJ in their relationship
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 7:31am On Sep 13
lexy2014:


I haven't even started arguing and u are tired. When I start, what will u do?

According to u: "His goal in Fernabace that won d goal of the season is still his best goal." Then u said this:



Was it in turkey he scored his best goal? because d goal was selected d best goal of d season it was scored, does that make it his best goal in his career? How many people no that goal? Even looking at his Wikipedia page, I don't c any mention of d goal. When u talk of JJs best goals, 1993 in Germany comes to my mind b4 any goal. Wikipedia even did an analysis of his goal in Germany. They talked about one of his goals while he was at Enugu Rangers. That means that by just referencing JJ on wikipedia, more and more people are more informed about his goal as a Frankfurt player while ur best goal in Turkey sits in oblivion. So I don't no what u mean by "am telling u his best goal, not just any goal".

One thing u have to understand is that any footballer can score d best goals of d season or of a tournament. Doesn't make them great. Pavard, a defender, scored d best goal of world cup. That doesn't automatically make him great. Several players have won d Puskas including Giroud. These were in many cases insignificant, unknown players who after that, no one hears of them again. So scoring d best goal of d season or tournament isnt what makes a footballer great
Maybe your Wikipedia is different from ours, go check for that Fernabace goal and d analysis again.. Dont deny or sugarcoat just to win an argument. The goal is analysed on his wikipedia page..And why keep running away from the part that he was in 1998 world cup team of the tournament, even wen we had a disappointing world cup outing?
Re: Vincent Enyeama Makes Africa’s Best Ever XI By The Sun UK by Soso990240(m): 7:43am On Sep 13
lexy2014:


Y shouldn't I ask u what JJ taught Ronaldinho? U have been repeating it over and over and u never asked urself that question? because Ronaldinho said, does that mean u shouldn't ask urself what& what he was talking about? So u don't even no exactly what Ronaldinho learnt from JJ& u have been recycling that line all along? D way u have been saying it, I thought u would even be able to say at least one thing Ronaldinho learnt from JJ in their relationship
Oga, you can't mentor someone who is bigger and greater than you.. Its a fact, not an opinion. Jay Jay Mentored Ronaldinho while at PSG, and you didn't see that on his Wikipedia page(since you know d website). The only reason Jay left was because he decided Neva to renew his contract.This ain't suppose to be argued seff.. case closed.

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