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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by asgard01(m): 12:50pm On Sep 22, 2019
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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Crispels(m): 12:50pm On Sep 22, 2019
Macon1212:


It doesn't take longer to obtain Master's degree in USA, it depends on how brilliant/smart you are, I obtained mine within 15 months with 30 credit hours. Only most elite universities in USA consider other options for admission although some other universities do but the main admission criteria is your GPA. Water is pronounced as Wora and not Wadar

It is pronounced as "WADAR". Check Merriam Webster dictionary. In America, the T sound is pronounced as 'D'.

It also takes longer in the US - 15months is definitely more than the 9-10months it requires in the UK.

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Nobody: 12:50pm On Sep 22, 2019
ednut1:
which yeye uk. They will send u home after studies
I thought it has been lifted.
2 yrs stay after schooling.

I haven't read that up. Somebody told me that last week.
So I don't know if I'm right.
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by ednut1(m): 12:53pm On Sep 22, 2019
sassysure:

I thought it has been lifted.
2 yrs stay after schooling.

I haven't read that up. Somebody told me that last week.
So I don't know if I'm right.
all a format. 2 years of menial and non fulfilling jobs loading. Better to go to canada

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Nobody: 12:53pm On Sep 22, 2019
sassysure:

I thought it has been lifted.
2 yrs stay after schooling.

I haven't read that up. Somebody told me that last week.
So I don't know if I'm right.
Yes it has

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Gerrard59(m): 12:53pm On Sep 22, 2019
Na this kind thread I dey like. grin


Ayobami has said it all and I would encourage brainy graduates to apply to the US for the reasons outlined. Nothing else to add. Oh! The United States has the world's biggest economy. Jobs! Jobs!! Jobs!!! If you decide to go entrepreneurial, better funding opportunities than anywhere in the world.

But remember, the 21st century is an Asian century.

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by pinkyruledworld(m): 12:54pm On Sep 22, 2019
Interesting post, but these days America is a no no
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Jefferyhi86(m): 12:58pm On Sep 22, 2019
ednut1:
2 masters biko kai
Nigerians we too like school haba! Yet our backyard dirty

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by DonTattaglia: 1:00pm On Sep 22, 2019
I believe that wherever u study is not the issue. It is the individual who decides to be what he wants to be. As a consultant I have assessed and interacted graduates from Nigeria and their counterparts from U.S, U.K, and other parts of Europe and Africa in clinical research and exchange programs and most times I see that Nigerians are better and more thorough in clinical judgment with a broader and sharper acumen. Unfortunately Nigeria govt is not helping matters.

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Crispels(m): 1:02pm On Sep 22, 2019
timesup234:
None. Stay back in Nigeria. Do your masters here or use the money to set up a lucrative business. America and UK are both scam. You will regret it (This is for anyone trying to take similar step)

What if you are offered a scholarship?

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by chiefolododo(m): 1:08pm On Sep 22, 2019
smartsk:
Very educative write up, Op. How's life in Canada?

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Gerrard59(m): 1:09pm On Sep 22, 2019
Crispels:


What if you are offered a scholarship?

The mistake you made is quoting that guy. He's not mentally OK. Go through his posts history to confirm.

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Nobody: 1:11pm On Sep 22, 2019
Macon1212:


It doesn't take longer to obtain Master's degree in USA, it depends on how brilliant/smart you are, I obtained mine within 15 months with 30 credit hours. Only most elite universities in USA consider other options for admission although some other universities do but the main admission criteria is your GPA. Water is pronounced as Wora and not Wadar

I don't know where you lived in the U.S. but 'water' is pronounced 'wader' in standard American English. It's a flap T. Same as butter, better and others. I've been studying American English for over 2 years now.

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by chiefolododo(m): 1:11pm On Sep 22, 2019
franchasng:
Nigerians just love bagging degrees upon degrees just for showoff and to get employment in big name organizations built by white people who barely finished school.


Our love for paper degrees and certificates is part of why we are where we are today.

Nigeria and Africa need to stress more on craft, technology and artisanship education not paper based education that at the end, we produce so many professors who have never produced any meaningful research or invention that impacted the world and our society.


Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by makavelli80(m): 1:11pm On Sep 22, 2019
Onlinealaba:
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I don't get u
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by 36STATES: 1:16pm On Sep 22, 2019
vaxx:
Germany university are seriously moving up the ladder from less than four ranked uni in THE last year to about 23 uni listed in the ranking table this year despite its free education policy. UK is moving downward from 36 ranked university to less than 28 this year. American still remain as the most ranked country with good uni.


The biggest gain so far this years goes to Germany. if the trend continue, i foresee Germany as the next second largest destination soon. currently, she is the third.

I studied in Belgium, Netherlands and UK. University rankings (THE) is always biased in favour of English speaking schools (UK, USA, Australia etc). One major defect in the ranking is the "popularity of the university" as a criteria. For the fact that most people around the world speak English and watch English movies, that has surely translated into fairly good knowledge about many things English, including their culture, schools etc. How many people in Nigeria can name any school in the Dutch, French and Asian speaking countries?

The quality of tuition I received in UK is a far cry when compared to what I got in Belgium and Netherlands. My stint in Holland was brief, it was a Fulbright 5 months exchange, but the quality was second to none. In UK, pass mark is 39%, and most people pay essay writers to pass exams. Not only that, 95% of exams are essay, which nobody fails except you are a complete fool.

In Belgium and Netherlands pass mark is 50%, and you have to sit a proper exam and defend it before your lecturer, which is known as oral exam. Very very difficult to pass exams there without studying for it. Their exam questions are selected to cover the whole lecture, there is nothing like choose 3 from 5 questions. So to pass, you must cover the whole model. I still got distinction from a UK university even though I put 1/4 of what I did in Belgium.

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Nobody: 1:18pm On Sep 22, 2019
Crispels:


It is pronounced as "WADAR". Check Merriam Webster dictionary. In America, the T sound is pronounced as 'D'.

It also takes longer in the US - 15months is definitely more than the 9-10months it requires in the UK.

You're correct. The biggest difference between British and American English is the T. The flap T, glottal T, stop T, etc. Water is pronounced as wader with a soft 'd.'
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Fidelismaria: 1:18pm On Sep 22, 2019
Interesting
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Ademoore07(m): 1:22pm On Sep 22, 2019
Asian universities are far better when considering tuition and scholarship. The main issue there is language barrier.
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Tflex01: 1:25pm On Sep 22, 2019
This one that everyone on the thread seems to have studied in 5 countries... una Weldon ooo

Abeg make somebody give me link to the GRE or Tofle or IELTS threads on NL now that money don dey to travel. cool

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Nobody: 1:30pm On Sep 22, 2019
Macon1212:


It doesn't take longer to obtain Master's degree in USA, it depends on how brilliant/smart you are, I obtained mine within 15 months with 30 credit hours. Only most elite universities in USA consider other options for admission although some other universities do but the main admission criteria is your GPA. Water is pronounced as Wora and not Wadar
Reposting the entire post to comment? By the way, the OP is right- water is pronounced "wadar" nor "wora". If you're in the US u should know this is how pple pronounce it. It's only Nigerians in Nigeria who say "wora", the same way potato is "potado" in the US but Nigerians will erroneously say "poraro". grin

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by INTEGRITYA1(m): 1:35pm On Sep 22, 2019
Educative.
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Plaouse(m): 1:38pm On Sep 22, 2019
What i just need now is the grace to study architecture in either of these countries. It's been like over a year now that i' ve been praying and searching for a scholarship to study in either of them, but its feels like I' ve been chasing the clouds :-(

Dear God, please hear me out and answer my biggest prayer. And if i dont reach the biggest star, please God let me make it to a bright one. Amen.

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Grupo(m): 1:39pm On Sep 22, 2019
timesup234:
None. Stay back in Nigeria. Do your masters here or use the money to set up a lucrative business. America and UK are both scam. You will regret it (This is for anyone trying to take similar step)

Do you ever get tired?

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Navy08(m): 1:40pm On Sep 22, 2019
Well-done op! very educative and enlightening thread. The big figures though.
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by ElRapido: 1:50pm On Sep 22, 2019
Op, you no write on Canada graduate program
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by EdoBoy90(m): 1:50pm On Sep 22, 2019
Nigerians and degree certificates are 5 & 6.

I have seen a Professor with 7 Degrees while Alhaji Dangote has one degree as the Richest Man in Africa and among the Hundredth richest in the world.

if I have my MSc, I am OK.
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Ikpongiton: 1:52pm On Sep 22, 2019
with 30million,one can run a profitable business and engage more than 20 nigerians.i have not seen what udo udoma and his likes,with foreign degrees invented.

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by ikay00406(m): 1:57pm On Sep 22, 2019
The quality of education in the UK is quite good..It's also expensive, 30 thousand pounds a year for just tuition at Imperial College London excluding living expenses. The City of London's living expenses is one of the most expensive in the world, for example 600 pounds a month rent for just one small room excluding food, transport, etc. Highly ranked british universities are on par with top US universities, especially Russell Group of Schools such as Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial, LSE, Manchester, Nottingham, Queen Mary University of London, etc.
Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by skukimania(f): 2:03pm On Sep 22, 2019
Simran94:

Not anymore. You can now apply for a 2years PWS (after studies, work for 2years)

And after working for 2years, what?

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Re: Comparing Graduate School In The USA and UK by Engobi(m): 2:06pm On Sep 22, 2019
Well enlightened, appreciate thanks � are you on Instagram
Passion2009:
I obtained my Bachelor's degree from a Nigerian university. Upon graduation, I proceeded to the U.S for my first Master's degree and later to the United Kingdom for my second Master's degree.

I have equally traveled across the world - I've had the honor to meet graduates from over 70 countries. Today, at a workshop in Canada - we discussed about graduate school opportunities all across the world and I've decided to share my thoughts with readers here on Nairaland. My opinions are drawn from my experience studying and living in both the United States and United Kingdom as an international student.

I will be writing about the Pros and Cons of obtaining a Master's degree in both the United States and the United Kingdom - the dream destinations for Nigerian students.


Graduate School in The United States of America

The United States is the most preferred destination for international students all across the world. They boast of the best and of course - the most expensive universities in the world. Among the top 20 Universities in the world, more than 10 are in the United States and among the top 200 universities in the world - at least 60 are in the United States as well. American universities are passionate about research, study, innovative ideas and critical thinking - especially if you attend a R1 university(e.g Harvard, Princeton, the University of Chicago, the University of Pittsburgh, CMU, etc) in the United States(Google the list of R1 universities). American universities have proven to be the epicentres of transformative discoveries and innovations in the past 50years and they still lead the world in the fourth industrial revolution.



PROS (Advantages of Schooling in the United States).

(1). YOU ARE MOST LIKELY A STRONGER CANDIDATE IN THE JOB MARKET DUE TO YOUR FLEXIBITY

For graduate students who are hardworking, talented and smart thinkers - American R1 universities provide you with a great opportunity to live your biggest dreams in different fields.
As a Master's student in the U.S, you can obtain a Major, a Minor and Certificates in different fields in the course of your two years of study. For instance, I have a mentee who bagged a Master of Public Policy from an American university and he was able to obtain a Major in Energy Policy, a Minor in Governance Development, a Certificate in Cyber Security and Law as well as another Certificate in Africana Studies. He amassed all of these qualifications in his two years of study in the United States. With these qualifications, he is flexible enough to apply to different jobs in different sectors and you can probably guess where he works now. It is also easier to do joint degrees as a grad student in American universities. In other words, you can be running a M.B.A/J.D program at the same time with your initial Master of Science in Psychology - you graduate with two top notch degrees that will give you a big advantage in the job market.
Although, it takes longer(2years) to bag a Master's degree in the U.S but it's mostly worth it for students who know their onions. More so, many grad school programs in the United States make it mandatory for you to go on internship abroad or within the U.S for about 3months. My mentee that I talked about earlier on had his internship in Vienna with one of the international organizations there - his entire internship expenses were fully funded by his American university. Opportunities like interning abroad as a grad student strengthen your profile and make you more formidable in the job market. The U.K grad schools largely do not give the room for this kind of flexibility offered by American universities.

2. THERE ARE MORE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES
If you are a strong candidate applying to an American university, you are very likely to secure scholarships and fellowships that will help cover most(if not all) expenses of your grad school education. Schools in the U.K are not as generous as American schools when it comes to funding/scholarships. A very significant percentage of the grad students in American universities study on full-scholarships. You can Google and read about the KNIGHT HENNESSEY SCHOLARSHIP initiative for grad students at Stanford University - this is just one American university.

3. DIVERSE LEARNING COMMUNITY.

American universities attract the highest number of foreign students in the world. They are the first choice of most international students globally.


4. WORLD CLASS FACULTY AND TOP CLASS FACILITIES.


5. A HIGH CHANCE OF BEING RETAINED TO PURSUE THE AMERICAN DREAM.

Particularly for those who have made the best use of their two years.

•CONS( Disadvantages of Studying in the United States)•


1. IT IS SUPER EXPENSIVE.

American universities are by far the most expensive in the world. For most programs in US R1 Universities, your tuition/school fees alone will cost you around $40,000(roughly 15million naira/per year) a year as an international student. Some programs in universities like UCHICAGO and Stanford even cost as high as $60,000 - $73,000 in tuition/per year. Most Master's programs in the United States also take two years to complete. Thus, tuition for a two-year Master's degree program(at the rate of $45,000/year may gulp over 30million naira from you).

2. THE ADMISSION REQUIREMENTS AND PROCESSES ARE MORE STRINGENT AND COMPETITIVE COMPARED TO THE U.K

Many grad school programs in the United States - particularly in R1 universities require you take standardized tests like G.R.E and even TOEFL in some instances. This means more funds are injected into the application process and more candidates to compete with their test scores. While some programs in different American universities now waive the G.R.E test - many have begged to differ and I've instead stuck to their gun.

3. IT TAKES LONGER

In the United Kingdom, you are most likely to bag your Master's degree in the course of just one academic year in a similar program(as a grad student in the U.S) but this is not the case in the United States. The American educational system will keep you in the libraries and classrooms for at least one more year - buried in research works, readings and paper writing.


4. American ENGLISH
If you ever get to visit the United States, you will realize that their pronunciations are to an extent different from the British(Water is pronounced as
"WADAR" in the United States). If you grew up in Nigeria and your parents could not afford to send you to secondary schools like B.I.S, LEKKI British School, GRANGE and the likes - you may struggle to communicate with Americans on your first few days on campus.

5. EXPOSURE TO WHAT MAY SEEM TO BE NEGATIVE CULTURAL INFLUENCES.

Particularly for those who are conservatives - you may find it inconvenient and shocking.



•GRADUATE SCHOOL IN THE U.K•

British universities are no doubt some of the best in the world. They exude class, history and culture. From the classrooms to the libraries, you see students and faculty members making efforts to build on legacies that have defined their excellence and greatness for decades.

PROS(Advantages)

(1). CHEAPER OPTION

Compared to American universities, the U.K offers a similar world-class education for cheaper tuition fees. A Master's degree program that will cost you $40,000(just school fees/tuition) a year in a R1 American University will cost you less than $25,000 in the United Kingdom. It is also pertinent to remember that you are paying the $25,000 just for a year in the U.K but in the U.S.A - you are paying the $40,000 twice. To put things in perspective, the school fees for a Master's degree in the U.K will cost you less than $30,000(less than 10million naira) while a similar program in the United States will cost you at least $80,000(about 30million naira).


(2). EASIER TRANSITION TO NIGERIAN SYSTEM

(3). MORE RESERVED AND PEACEFUL

This is the major reason why some Nigerian politicians pick U.K schools over American universities. Many people see the extreme social/cultural exposure in the United States as destructive. Although, there are still a lot of Nigerian elites whose children study and live in the United States - particularly those in the National Assembly. In fact, Nigerian business men and investors still pick the United States(Canada taking over now) over the U.K as the most preferred destination for their children.

(4). WORLD CLASS FACULTY AND FACILITIES

(5). EASIER TO SECURE STUDENT VISA COMPARED TO THE CURRENT TRUMP USA - PARTICULARLY FOR APPLICANTS BASED IN NIGERIA

The United States now extremely scrutinize their student visa application process. In the past, once you secure admission into an American university, you are almost 100% assured of a U.S F1 visa. These days, the rate of F1 visa denials is shocking; even candidates with scholarships and good immigration history are being denied visas. Some even struggle to secure visa interview appointments in Lagos and Abuja. Currently, compared to Trump's America, the U.K is more relaxed when it comes to student visa issuance.



CONS(Disadvantages).

(1). Less Funding/Scholarships
Although U.K schools do offer decent scholarships to impressive applicants, they are way less generous compared to American universities.
Apart from scholarship initiatives like CHEVENING SCHOLARSHIP and Mastercard Foundation Scholarship for U.K universities - there are no many funding opportunities for prospective grad students - compared to the United States - where even a research fellowship or a G.S.A/T.A with a professor can cover all your tuition and living expenses for two years. American universities by far have bigger endowments and funding when compared to U.K schools.

(2). Grad School Admissions are largely hinged on CGPA

American universities tend to look at a candidate's entire profile(leadership, research, volunteer experiences etc) when making admission decisions but U.K schools are more particular about CGPA.


(3). DESPITE BORIS JOHNSON'S FRESH 2-YEAR OFFER TO INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS; THE U.K IS YET TO RE-AFFIRM ITSELF AS THE PREFERRED DESTINATION FOR A POTENTIAL FOREIGN WORKER/IMMIGRANT.


Best of luck.



Ayobami Olorundare writes from Canada; 20th of September, 2019. He can be reached on Twitter.

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