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Please Help And Analyze.its important. by Iogobenz(m): 8:33pm On Oct 04, 2019
So I have a friend that is into business and he is experiencing some problems.
So he use to sell goods to some of his clients that export.
Now they had an agreement for them to be buying a certain quantity of goods in a stipulated time(target) from him in return for him not to sell in the same market as them like before,since he has a lot of price advantage as he is the direct distributor,so that he doesn't spoil market for them.
But now these group of individuals started cheating my friend,not.meeting up their targets purposely and use my friends credit to play,not pay in time and purchase goods from other outlets.
Now just last 2 months,they did not patronize my friend for good 3weeks upon the fact that they owe him a lot of money,which made my friend angry and he decided to go to that same market to sell and cancel every arrangements with everybody.
Now friend has the capacity to even sell 10% less than what they sell,hence spoiling market for them.
So they found out,gang up and are now threatening to kill my friend or wreck his business.
The business is export based so they are threatening to attack my friend's goods at sea with pirates,or kill my friend whenever he steps foot in Nigeria.
So my friend has been thinking;
-Does he attack first,acting on their threats and start harming everyone so as to send a clear message to everyone that he too can be dangerous?
But the problem here is,what if he is underestimating them and they are a deadly force?won't they be bent on killing him if they see that he too wants to use force?
-Does he go to the police?But how does the local police help since it is a crime between 2 countries?
-Does he go to make peace with them?
But what stops them from killing him when he gets there?
Like to send assassins to trail him from there,know all about him and still kill him?
He is thinking of going to the meeting with armed escorts but is that good?will he be just over reacting?

He told me of this issue and I don't know what to do so I decided to bring it here.
Also,the clients in that country they sell to have found out some of these issues he is having and are trying to take advantage of it and not pay his money too.
His business and life is really at stake,what do you think he should do?
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by baby124: 8:48pm On Oct 04, 2019
Logobenz!!! What have you been up to? Please go to the police ASAP! Don’t get your hands dirty by doing dangerous things o. You just don’t know the extent of their desperation. They broke an agreement so, you are no longer bound by it. Make sure they are invited by the police and they sign an undertaking should anything happen to you. Go with your lawyer and make sure you have a record of all their threats. Be safe

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Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by YourCoffin: 9:05pm On Oct 04, 2019
They were his friends so he must have accessed their strengths and weaknesses. His actions should be based on the information he has. Involving the police depends on how system works in the country they reside. If it's Nigeria no need involving the police.

If I were to be in that position I will attack before they do. In this kind of business setting, it's best not to bring emotions to it. It can get you killed. It has become clear to them that you can do without them while they can't. Consequently, they have nothing to lose, which makes them deadly enemies.
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by Iogobenz(m): 9:21pm On Oct 04, 2019
YourCoffin:
They were his friends so he must have accessed their strengths and weaknesses. His actions should be based on the information he has. Involving the police depends on how system works in the country they reside. If it's Nigeria no need involving the police.

If I were to be in that position I will attack before they do. In this kind of business setting, it's best not to bring emotions to it. It can get you killed. It has become clear to them that you can do without them while they can't. Consequently, they have nothing to lose, which makes them deadly enemies.
Exactly,my thoughts too.
The only issue he is having now is that he doesn't know their level of ruthlessness yet.
I really don't think the police can help because it's a third party that is giving him all this intelligence and it will be very difficult to have evidence against them.
They can't do anything to him in the other country since they are powerless there.
Their only strength is Nigeria and they have many ways to attack my friend there.
1)send assassins to trail him.
2)Attack his trucks on land from my warehouse to the jetty.
3)Attack his goods at sea since this is where they say they'll attack as they know a lot of militants in those waters and they attack those vessels a lot,talk more of when someone is paying them to do it.
He talked to his agent there and he said he shouldn't worry,but he feels the agent just wants him to keep bringing goods so he continues making money.
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by Iogobenz(m): 9:24pm On Oct 04, 2019
baby124:
Logobenz!!! What have you been up to? Please go to the police ASAP! Don’t get your hands dirty by doing dangerous things o. You just don’t know the extent of their desperation. They broke an agreement so, you are no longer bound by it. Make sure they are invited by the police and they sign an undertaking should anything happen to you. Go with your lawyer and make sure you have a record of all their threats. Be safe
Girl it hasn't been easy.
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by YourCoffin: 9:53pm On Oct 04, 2019
Iogobenz:
Exactly,my thoughts too.
The only issue he is having now is that he doesn't know their level of ruthlessness yet.
I really don't think the police can help because it's a third party that is giving him all this intelligence and it will be very difficult to have evidence against them.
They can't do anything to him in the other country since they are powerless there.
Their only strength is Nigeria and they have many ways to attack my friend there.
1)send assassins to trail him.
2)Attack his trucks on land from my warehouse to the jetty.
3)Attack his goods at sea since this is where they say they'll attack as they know a lot of militants in those waters and they attack those vessels a lot,talk more of when someone is paying them to do it.
He talked to his agent there and he said he shouldn't worry,but he feels the agent just wants him to keep bringing goods so he continues making money.

It is always wise to know what your business partners are capable of before going into business with them. That's why I mentioned that they were once his friends and should have learned everything there is to know about them. If he doesn't know then he should assume the worst.

It's good he has itemized the ways they can hurt him. Has he itemized the way he can hurt them? I would have suggested employing body guards and security escorts but no preventive mechanism is full proof. If they can attack goods at sea then they are people with means and should be treated with utmost care.

What he needs to do is to make moves that will effectively incapacitate them. If he does not have the means or information to act on then he might need to setup a meeting with the new buyers. Find a way to convince them that all of you are in the shit together. That a threat against you is a threat against them. Transfer some of the responsibility for security to them like shipment of the goods for an incentive.
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by Iogobenz(m): 9:59pm On Oct 04, 2019
YourCoffin:


It is always wise to know what your business partners are capable of before going into business with them. That's why I mentioned that they were once his friends and should have learned everything there is to know about them. If he doesn't know then he should assume the worst.

It's good he has itemized the ways they can hurt him. Has he itemized the way he can hurt them? I would have suggested employing body guards and security escorts but no preventive mechanism is full proof. If they can attack goods at sea then they are people with means and should be treated with utmost care.

What he needs to do is to make moves that will effectively incapacitate them. If he does not have the means or information to act on then he might need to setup a meeting with the new buyers. Find a way to convince them that all of you are in the shit together. That a threat against you is a threat against them. Transfer some of the responsibility for security to them like shipment of the goods for an incentive.
I like the way you think.
I think what's best he does is attack first and put serious fear in them too.
Then he starts issuing threats too.Then they will be on the defensive running to protect their tails too.
Also bringing any of the clients over to share responsibilities will be good for him short term,but will fall out too in the long run and worse.
The clients there who knew nothing about sourcing will start having options asides him,may not even patronize him in the long run and will start taking his brothers to Nigeria too.
Then my friend won't only be in soup with these guys but with the whole Nigerian cartel plying that route for exposing their business to strangers.
And that will mean a lot of heat.
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by donstan18: 10:05pm On Oct 04, 2019
If there's a reason your friend is scared and delaying to involve the police or army in the case, it is because he has committed much atrocities with business partners.

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Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by Iogobenz(m): 10:11pm On Oct 04, 2019
donstan18:
If there's a reason your friend is scared and delaying to involve the police or army in the case, it is because he has committed much atrocities with business partners.
You just don't jump to the police with death threats,especially without evidence!
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by Iogobenz(m): 10:26pm On Oct 04, 2019
baby124:
Logobenz!!! What have you been up to? Please go to the police ASAP! Don’t get your hands dirty by doing dangerous things o. You just don’t know the extent of their desperation. They broke an agreement so, you are no longer bound by it. Make sure they are invited by the police and they sign an undertaking should anything happen to you. Go with your lawyer and make sure you have a record of all their threats. Be safe
So baby I will like to know this.
Let's say he succeeds in getting the police,lawyer and secure an invite with them and the police.
Will they be held responsible if something mysterious happens to me or my goods?
Atleast the fear of that will make them adjust right?
Also,won't the police ask for evidence that I don't have?
Atleast to prove their threats?

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Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by sisisioge: 10:40pm On Oct 04, 2019
Jisos! What are you guys playing with! Biko involve the police. Geskia!
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by Richy4(m): 11:17pm On Oct 04, 2019
Pardon me I guess I'm getting old but there's some phrase/ sentence that I don't understand. What does "..Do I start harming them so that they will know that I am dangerous.." mean. Is your friend by any chance indirectly hinting that he wants to murder some people?

This is a case of bridge of contract.. by the look of it, contract wasn't documented in a proper manner.

Doesn't your friend have any evidence of their threat or was he relying on hearsay?
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by Iogobenz(m): 11:27pm On Oct 04, 2019
Richy4:
Pardon me I guess I'm getting old but there's some phrase/ sentence that I don't understand. What does "..Do I start harming them so that they will know that I am dangerous.." mean. Is your friend by any chance indirectly hinting that he wants to murder some people?

This is a case of bridge of contract.. by the look of it, contract wasn't documented in a proper manner.

Doesn't your friend have any evidence of their threat or was he relying on hearsay?
I think he was just scared and wanted to make them confused by initializing the violence before them.
Yeah it wasn't documented from my thoughts too,even though that can't help as there is no evidence yet on the death threats.
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by baby124: 11:52pm On Oct 04, 2019
Iogobenz:
So baby I will like to know this.
Let's say he succeeds in getting the police,lawyer and secure an invite with them and the police.
Will they be held responsible if something mysterious happens to me or my goods?
Atleast the fear of that will make them adjust right?
Also,won't the police ask for evidence that I don't have?
Atleast to prove their threats?
Yes. If anything happens to you or your friend or the goods then they would be arrested. Just make sure you have a proof of their threats to life and business and then go straight to the police so that it is on record. On no circumstance should you mention to the police that you smugg... though wink. Make sure your settle the police and even some MoPo or soldiers so that they terrify them very well.

Also ensure you get some security to protect you. This business is not easy that you are in. It attracts a lot of criminal elements who will hijack it to traffic all sorts. That’s if they can not force you to let them use your company first. Stay safe and unpredictable in your movements for now.

I see you said you have no proof of their threats. You need to get that proof or how did they communicate to you that they will harm you?
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by Iogobenz(m): 12:32am On Oct 05, 2019
@baby124,according to him,on the day the goods were to leave Nigeria,one of them(the most hot headed) saw his truck loading in his warehouse in Aba heading for the jetty and confronted him and was asking authoritatively.who owns the goods?just imagine.
So he was able to manoeuvre his way out of that one with words but the guy insisted he must find out and sat in my warehouse waiting for whoever who come claim the goods.
So he said when he saw no one was coming,he went and called the others and started laying allegations on him that he has started bringing their clientele to Nigeria just so he could sell to them directly and make more money.
They debated until they were able to conclude it wasn't a foreigner that bought it but still wanted to know who got it.
That's when they said if they find out he is playing games,either they will kill him or the goods won't cross(unto piracy activities).that he doesn't joke with where he eats bla bla bla....
It was a Saturday and the goods were to be loaded on a vessel on Tuesday and they were saying they will still be investigating.
That's when my friend changed all his programs and loaded the goods in the vessel on a Sunday instead of Tuesday and was able to escape without them even knowing.
Now it was when he got to the other country that word got out that there is someone that brought a lot of goods and was selling below price and everyone knew it was him.
So my friend was in one of his clients office collecting money when their counterparts there traced him to the place and started attacking him with words and threats and weren't civil at all.
So my friend left them after shouting back at them and left the town and moved to another town way out of their reach.
They were even saying that the only way there can be peace is if my friend gathers all the money he discounted from those clients and pay it back to their cartel,that's when they'll leave him and that'll be a lot of.money going by the volume and percentage discount,it's running into a lot of millions.
Why would my friend do that?
And my.friend is someone who does not succumb to threats since he believes he can fight anybody back.
His fear is just Nigeria.If he can have enough evidence and contain them in Nigeria by show of superior force,that's it since they can do nothing to him in the other country because he is well connected there.
But Nigeria is just lawless and anything can happen,that's why he is even afraid of coming back until he devises a plan.
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by baby124: 1:45am On Oct 05, 2019
Iogobenz:
@baby124,according to him,on the day the goods were to leave Nigeria,one of them(the most hot headed) saw his truck loading in his warehouse in Aba heading for the jetty and confronted him and was asking authoritatively.who owns the goods?just imagine.
So he was able to manoeuvre his way out of that one with words but the guy insisted he must find out and sat in my warehouse waiting for whoever who come claim the goods.
So he said when he saw no one was coming,he went and called the others and started laying allegations on him that he has started bringing their clientele to Nigeria just so he could sell to them directly and make more money.
They debated until they were able to conclude it wasn't a foreigner that bought it but still wanted to know who got it.
That's when they said if they find out he is playing games,either they will kill him or the goods won't cross(unto piracy activities).that he doesn't joke with where he eats bla bla bla....
It was a Saturday and the goods were to be loaded on a vessel on Tuesday and they were saying they will still be investigating.
That's when my friend changed all his programs and loaded the goods in the vessel on a Sunday instead of Tuesday and was able to escape without them even knowing.
Now it was when he got to the other country that word got out that there is someone that brought a lot of goods and was selling below price and everyone knew it was him.
So my friend was in one of his clients office collecting money when their counterparts there traced him to the place and started attacking him with words and threats and weren't civil at all.
So my friend left them after shouting back at them and left the town and moved to another town way out of their reach.
They were even saying that the only way there can be peace is if my friend gathers all the money he discounted from those clients and pay it back to their cartel,that's when they'll leave him and that'll be a lot of.money going by the volume and percentage discount,it's running into a lot of millions.
Why would my friend do that?
And my.friend is someone who does not succumb to threats since he believes he can fight anybody back.
His fear is just Nigeria.If he can have enough evidence and contain them in Nigeria by show of superior force,that's it since they can do nothing to him in the other country because he is well connected there.
But Nigeria is just lawless and anything can happen,that's why he is even afraid of coming back until he devises a plan.

Cartel? Are you trying to fight against a real cartel or some area boys? Know your enemy before taking action. I suggest you investigate them very well and make sure you get the two who came to threaten your business picked up. Let them sit in cell for a few days explaining their threats.

As long as you have witnesses to their threats. If you usually come to Nigeria by sea, fly in this time and only let trusted people know you are around before you pick those miscreants up. Preferably family members only.

I personally will keep trading at an alarming volume till I run them out of business. I will also make sure my customers do not do business with them. As long as I can use trusted people in my absence to carry it out. When I run them down completely, then I pick them all up and make sure they spend quality time in jail for the threats. With police force. That is the only way you secure your territory and get your supply chain fully under your control.

You will also need some urchins on your payroll to be your eyes and ears. For safety and security reasons. It’s going to be rough. But if you can successfully frustrate them out of business, without them having access to you then you will be fine. Eventually they will move on. But they will definitely try to strike violently. So, be very vigilant.
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by realtalk19: 7:47am On Oct 05, 2019
baby124:

Cartel? Are you trying to fight against a real cartel or some area boys? Know your enemy before taking action. I suggest you investigate them very well and make sure you get the two who came to threaten your business picked up. Let them sit in cell for a few days explaining their threats.

As long as you have witnesses to their threats. If you usually come to Nigeria by sea, fly in this time and only let trusted people know you are around before you pick those miscreants up. Preferably family members only.

I personally will keep trading at an alarming volume till I run them out of business. I will also make sure my customers do not do business with them. As long as I can use trusted people in my absence to carry it out. When I run them down completely, then I pick them all up and make sure they spend quality time in jail for the threats. With police force. That is the only way you secure your territory and get your supply chain fully under your control.

You will also need some urchins on your payroll to be your eyes and ears. For safety and security reasons. It’s going to be rough. But if you can successfully frustrate them out of business, without them having access to you then you will be fine. Eventually they will move on. But they will definitely try to strike violently. So, be very vigilant.

You sound like GHOST in Power movie series smiley
Re: Please Help And Analyze.its important. by baby124: 11:09am On Oct 05, 2019
realtalk19:


You sound like GHOST in Power movie series smiley
Ghost? Let me look into that.

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